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Mar 11, 2021 11:30:20 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Mar 11, 2021 11:30:20 GMT
You've allowed him to call another forum member a moron, its in the post I quoted. But now you're trying to make out that I am the one with the problem. The double standards on this part of the forum and lack of self awareness is absolutely mind blowing Listen to yourself, you sound like that annoying kid from class that tells teacher if someone said a naughty word. If you're really truly offended by the word moron then leave the forum as it's not for you. Mancot is at least presenting his points and has debated with Wortley who again is debating his points passionately but fairly - that's what it's all about, not just dropping posts like the above just to stir the pot. Debate your points sensibly or leave, I'm getting fed up of it all - I'm bored of repeating myself. So as long as someone debates they can call other people names? I am not sure you are an appropriate person to run a forum, especially one that kids have access to |
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Mar 11, 2021 11:35:24 GMT
Post by superman on Mar 11, 2021 11:35:24 GMT
A government voted in by the people of the UK but your emphasis is on it being a fascist, White English. The govenrment is made up of various ethnicities and has MPs from Wales and Scotland The ethnicities and nationalities of MPs is irrelevant to my case, you need only look at what they (and particularly the PM) have said and done to know that the government is run by English nationalists. It’s also a bit of a stretch to say the government was voted in by the people - the FPTP system is deeply flawed and outdated - the U.K. is the only country in Europe to still be using the FPTP system. Proportional representation would deliver a fairer government that the people actually did vote for. At the last GE, 45% of the public cast wasted votes for a non-elected candidate with FPTP. For Labour, the concentration of the Labour vote in certain areas meant that it took on average 50,835 votes to elect a Labour MP, whilst only 38,264 votes were needed to return a Conservative MP. Labour hold nine of the top ten largest majority seats. For the Liberal Democrats, an 11.5 percent vote share across Britain resulted in just 1.7 percent of Commons seats and, in the interest of balance, the Brexit Party were also unfairly hit hard by this system, whilst in Scotland the Tories substantial vote share (25.1%) yielded just six Westminster seats (10.2%). It’s about time FPTP was scrapped and replaced with Proportional Representation to be fair to ALL sides of the political spectrum. You make a very fair point about Proportional Representation. In theory I would support this, however the one major drawback is the loss of loss of constituency MP’s, some of who across the political spectrum are excellent and challenge the status quo. Do we want MPs to be allocated from lists? At general election time I take into account both the National picture and the performance of the local incumbent when making my choice. |
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Mar 11, 2021 11:40:57 GMT
Post by Si on Mar 11, 2021 11:40:57 GMT
Listen to yourself, you sound like that annoying kid from class that tells teacher if someone said a naughty word. If you're really truly offended by the word moron then leave the forum as it's not for you. Mancot is at least presenting his points and has debated with Wortley who again is debating his points passionately but fairly - that's what it's all about, not just dropping posts like the above just to stir the pot. Debate your points sensibly or leave, I'm getting fed up of it all - I'm bored of repeating myself. So as long as someone debates they can call other people names? I am not sure you are an appropriate person to run a forum, especially one that kids have access to I've always said this is light touch moderating on this forum, I take absolutely no responsibility for kids that may come on here, I'll leave it to their parents as to whether they think it's appropriate. I've said this a million times over, which is why we don't edit out swear words. If you don't think I'm appropriate to run the forum then I'm not sure what I can really do with that. More than happy to step aside and let someone else babysit you, and let someone else pay the yearly fees for the site etc. Perhaps you need to put it to a members vote? Either way, fed up of trying to get you to listen. You've already had one ban and clearly learnt nothing. Consider this the last warning before the ban becomes permanent - I really don't want to have to do that because I know you are capable of debating properly and you make some good points, and I think there's a lot of value in someone presenting the counter argument to Mancot rather than this being his echo chamber, but have that debate maturely and constructively please. I didn't start this forum to end up having to ban Chester fans, but there are limits and it seems with you it's just falling on deaf ears. |
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Mar 11, 2021 11:53:08 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Mar 11, 2021 11:53:08 GMT
So as long as someone debates they can call other people names? I am not sure you are an appropriate person to run a forum, especially one that kids have access to I've always said this is light touch moderating on this forum, I take absolutely no responsibility for kids that may come on here, I'll leave it to their parents as to whether they think it's appropriate. I've said this a million times over, which is why we don't edit out swear words. If you don't think I'm appropriate to run the forum then I'm not sure what I can really do with that. More than happy to step aside and let someone else babysit you, and let someone else pay the yearly fees for the site etc. Perhaps you need to put it to a members vote? Either way, fed up of trying to get you to listen. You've already had one ban and clearly learnt nothing. Consider this the last warning before the ban becomes permanent - I really don't want to have to do that because I know you are capable of debating properly and you make some good points, and I think there's a lot of value in someone presenting the counter argument to Mancot rather than this being his echo chamber, but have that debate maturely and constructively please. I didn't start this forum to end up having to ban Chester fans, but there are limits and it seems with you it's just falling on deaf ears. I find it absolutely incredible that you've decided to issue me with a final warning. But actually I'm not surprised, because I am in danger of upsetting your biased establishment. Sorry to shine such a bright light on it. At the same time admitting that you're fine to let the forum go stale and not welcome new younger members, who's parents will undoubtedly be put off by what's allowed to be posted, which includes insults of any kind made by faceless forum members. If this is the forum you and your team of moderators want then great, and maybe it is best that posters do leave as you've suggested. The forum represents a small minority of the chester faithful anyway, so why not reduce it further and make devachat what you want it to be. Whatever that is... |
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Post by Si on Mar 11, 2021 12:10:08 GMT
I've always said this is light touch moderating on this forum, I take absolutely no responsibility for kids that may come on here, I'll leave it to their parents as to whether they think it's appropriate. I've said this a million times over, which is why we don't edit out swear words. If you don't think I'm appropriate to run the forum then I'm not sure what I can really do with that. More than happy to step aside and let someone else babysit you, and let someone else pay the yearly fees for the site etc. Perhaps you need to put it to a members vote? Either way, fed up of trying to get you to listen. You've already had one ban and clearly learnt nothing. Consider this the last warning before the ban becomes permanent - I really don't want to have to do that because I know you are capable of debating properly and you make some good points, and I think there's a lot of value in someone presenting the counter argument to Mancot rather than this being his echo chamber, but have that debate maturely and constructively please. I didn't start this forum to end up having to ban Chester fans, but there are limits and it seems with you it's just falling on deaf ears. I find it absolutely incredible that you've decided to issue me with a final warning. But actually I'm not surprised, because I am in danger of upsetting your biased establishment. Sorry to shine such a bright light on it. At the same time admitting that you're fine to let the forum go stale and not welcome new younger members, who's parents will undoubtedly be put off by what's allowed to be posted, which includes insults of any kind made by faceless forum members. If this is the forum you and your team of moderators want then great, and maybe it is best that posters do leave as you've suggested. The forum represents a small minority of the chester faithful anyway, so why not reduce it further and make devachat what you want it to be. Whatever that is... The forum is open to anyone - pretty much all membership requests are approved. If kids want to come on here then great, that's up to their parents to decide what is acceptable - I've got my own child to worry about without worrying if a 12 year old on here might see the word fuck. Picking up on faceless forum members - isn't that what we all are? It's pretty much what all internet forums are. In fact, at least I've got part of my name on here, Oaks Blue has little more authenticity to it Frank Owen's Paintbrush. I'm very happy with the direction Deva Chat is going in - when there is football going on then the football forum is a vibrant place and I'd like to think we addressed the issues where matchday threads kept going off topic and getting personal. The main issue in recent times has been the off topic duel between you and Mancot, but more often than not it's you fanning the flames. I'm fully aware this forum represents a small minority of Chester fans, but again at least that small minority are a lot more constructive than some of the postings by those on Facebook and Twitter (even with names attached, so they aren't faceless). I hope the forum continues to develop in this way so that some people that were put off from the old Devachat become more trusting of this one. I'm sorry you think it's a biased establishment, and I'm very bored of taking stick from you about it. I'm sorry it had to come to this, I look forward to seeing the return of Dave sometime soon.....cheerio. |
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Mar 11, 2021 12:12:54 GMT
Post by Wortleyblue on Mar 11, 2021 12:12:54 GMT
A government voted in by the people of the UK but your emphasis is on it being a fascist, White English. The govenrment is made up of various ethnicities and has MPs from Wales and Scotland The ethnicities and nationalities of MPs is irrelevant to my case, you need only look at what they (and particularly the PM) have said and done to know that the government is run by English nationalists. It’s also a bit of a stretch to say the government was voted in by the people - the FPTP system is deeply flawed and outdated - the U.K. is the only country in Europe to still be using the FPTP system. Proportional representation would deliver a fairer government that the people actually did vote for. At the last GE, 45% of the public cast wasted votes for a non-elected candidate with FPTP. For Labour, the concentration of the Labour vote in certain areas meant that it took on average 50,835 votes to elect a Labour MP, whilst only 38,264 votes were needed to return a Conservative MP. Labour hold nine of the top ten largest majority seats. For the Liberal Democrats, an 11.5 percent vote share across Britain resulted in just 1.7 percent of Commons seats and, in the interest of balance, the Brexit Party were also unfairly hit hard by this system, whilst in Scotland the Tories substantial vote share (25.1%) yielded just six Westminster seats (10.2%). It’s about time FPTP was scrapped and replaced with Proportional Representation to be fair to ALL sides of the political spectrum. We had proportional representation inthe Brexit referendum and look what happened the losing side want to vote again to see if they can win. The problem with PR is you would always get a hung parliament and where do you get your MPs from is that left to the political party choose who they want thats hardly democratic and can you see Labour or the Conservatives bringing it in I dont they would lose too many seats at the last election they shared 569 seats if PR was in they would have 492 between them. FPTP may not be the fairest way but it allows everyone to vote for the person they want, I dont know what the fairest way is but FPTP has served us well over the centuries |
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Mar 11, 2021 12:16:24 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 11, 2021 12:16:24 GMT
So as long as someone debates they can call other people names? I am not sure you are an appropriate person to run a forum, especially one that kids have access to I've always said this is light touch moderating on this forum, I take absolutely no responsibility for kids that may come on here, I'll leave it to their parents as to whether they think it's appropriate. I've said this a million times over, which is why we don't edit out swear words. If you don't think I'm appropriate to run the forum then I'm not sure what I can really do with that. More than happy to step aside and let someone else babysit you, and let someone else pay the yearly fees for the site etc. Perhaps you need to put it to a members vote? Either way, fed up of trying to get you to listen. You've already had one ban and clearly learnt nothing. Consider this the last warning before the ban becomes permanent - I really don't want to have to do that because I know you are capable of debating properly and you make some good points, and I think there's a lot of value in someone presenting the counter argument to Mancot rather than this being his echo chamber, but have that debate maturely and constructively please. I didn't start this forum to end up having to ban Chester fans, but there are limits and it seems with you it's just falling on deaf ears. As it is here too   |
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Mar 11, 2021 12:23:45 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Mar 11, 2021 12:23:45 GMT
The ethnicities and nationalities of MPs is irrelevant to my case, you need only look at what they (and particularly the PM) have said and done to know that the government is run by English nationalists. It’s also a bit of a stretch to say the government was voted in by the people - the FPTP system is deeply flawed and outdated - the U.K. is the only country in Europe to still be using the FPTP system. Proportional representation would deliver a fairer government that the people actually did vote for. At the last GE, 45% of the public cast wasted votes for a non-elected candidate with FPTP. For Labour, the concentration of the Labour vote in certain areas meant that it took on average 50,835 votes to elect a Labour MP, whilst only 38,264 votes were needed to return a Conservative MP. Labour hold nine of the top ten largest majority seats. For the Liberal Democrats, an 11.5 percent vote share across Britain resulted in just 1.7 percent of Commons seats and, in the interest of balance, the Brexit Party were also unfairly hit hard by this system, whilst in Scotland the Tories substantial vote share (25.1%) yielded just six Westminster seats (10.2%). It’s about time FPTP was scrapped and replaced with Proportional Representation to be fair to ALL sides of the political spectrum. the losing side want to vote again to see if they can win. The problem with PR is you would always get a hung parliament and where do you get your MPs from is that left to the political party choose who they want thats hardly democratic and can you see Labour or the Conservatives bringing it in I dont they would lose too many seats at the last election they shared 569 seats if PR was in they would have 492 between them. FPTP may not be the fairest way but it allows everyone to vote for the person they want, I dont know what the fairest way is but FPTP has served us well over the centuries Did we? It doesn't seem very proportional to me that a 52-48% ended up with the mantra that we must get out whatever the cost, even if it meant illegally shutting down parliament to do so. I actually don't think many people who voted remain did want another vote. The parties who were insistent on another vote performed poorly in the last election. Many of us just wanted to stop the right-wing chest-thumping and ensure that if we were to leave, it's done in a responsible way. Anyway, you're right that the two main parties would never allow it. That's the problem when two parties are so dominant, and with such different ideologies behind them. |
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Mar 11, 2021 12:50:19 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 11, 2021 12:50:19 GMT
The ethnicities and nationalities of MPs is irrelevant to my case, you need only look at what they (and particularly the PM) have said and done to know that the government is run by English nationalists. It’s also a bit of a stretch to say the government was voted in by the people - the FPTP system is deeply flawed and outdated - the U.K. is the only country in Europe to still be using the FPTP system. Proportional representation would deliver a fairer government that the people actually did vote for. At the last GE, 45% of the public cast wasted votes for a non-elected candidate with FPTP. For Labour, the concentration of the Labour vote in certain areas meant that it took on average 50,835 votes to elect a Labour MP, whilst only 38,264 votes were needed to return a Conservative MP. Labour hold nine of the top ten largest majority seats. For the Liberal Democrats, an 11.5 percent vote share across Britain resulted in just 1.7 percent of Commons seats and, in the interest of balance, the Brexit Party were also unfairly hit hard by this system, whilst in Scotland the Tories substantial vote share (25.1%) yielded just six Westminster seats (10.2%). It’s about time FPTP was scrapped and replaced with Proportional Representation to be fair to ALL sides of the political spectrum. We had proportional representation inthe Brexit referendum and look what happened the losing side want to vote again to see if they can win. The problem with PR is you would always get a hung parliament and where do you get your MPs from is that left to the political party choose who they want thats hardly democratic and can you see Labour or the Conservatives bringing it in I dont they would lose too many seats at the last election they shared 569 seats if PR was in they would have 492 between them. FPTP may not be the fairest way but it allows everyone to vote for the person they want, I dont know what the fairest way is but FPTP has served us well over the centuries The referendum definitely was not PR; in fact the decision to even have a referendum in the first place was product of kind of politics that FPTP produces. As for your main point, why is the U.K. the only European country that uses this system if it is so good? The issue of hung Parliament - it’s still far, far more democratic than FPTP, as the vast majority of the population will be represented in Parliament. Hung parliaments are the norm across Europe, cross-party consensus in the interests of the country. On your last point - I’ve proven that FPTP has failed to serve the country well, above, it only serves those that happened to vote for the leading party well (on both sides; indeed in 2019 more people voted for left-leaning parties put together than voted for the Tories). It’s an outdated archaic method of election. |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Mar 11, 2021 13:24:50 GMT
We had proportional representation inthe Brexit referendum and look what happened the losing side want to vote again to see if they can win. The problem with PR is you would always get a hung parliament and where do you get your MPs from is that left to the political party choose who they want thats hardly democratic and can you see Labour or the Conservatives bringing it in I dont they would lose too many seats at the last election they shared 569 seats if PR was in they would have 492 between them. FPTP may not be the fairest way but it allows everyone to vote for the person they want, I dont know what the fairest way is but FPTP has served us well over the centuries The referendum definitely was not PR; in fact the decision to even have a referendum in the first place was product of kind of politics that FPTP produces. As for your main point, why is the U.K. the only European country that uses this system if it is so good? The issue of hung Parliament - it’s still far, far more democratic than FPTP, as the vast majority of the population will be represented in Parliament. Hung parliaments are the norm across Europe, cross-party consensus in the interests of the country. On your last point - I’ve proven that FPTP has failed to serve the country well, above, it only serves those that happened to vote for the leading party well (on both sides; indeed in 2019 more people voted for left-leaning parties put together than voted for the Tories). It’s an outdated archaic method of election. Why was the referendum not PR it was a choice between 2 outcomes and the proportion of people who voted leave was greater than the proportion of people who voted stay. As I said earlier I dont think Labour or Conservative MPs would implement PR. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2021 14:11:44 GMT
So as long as someone debates they can call other people names? I am not sure you are an appropriate person to run a forum, especially one that kids have access to I've always said this is light touch moderating on this forum, I take absolutely no responsibility for kids that may come on here, I'll leave it to their parents as to whether they think it's appropriate. I've said this a million times over, which is why we don't edit out swear words. If you don't think I'm appropriate to run the forum then I'm not sure what I can really do with that. More than happy to step aside and let someone else babysit you, and let someone else pay the yearly fees for the site etc. Perhaps you need to put it to a members vote? Either way, fed up of trying to get you to listen. You've already had one ban and clearly learnt nothing. Consider this the last warning before the ban becomes permanent - I really don't want to have to do that because I know you are capable of debating properly and you make some good points, and I think there's a lot of value in someone presenting the counter argument to Mancot rather than this being his echo chamber, but have that debate maturely and constructively please. I didn't start this forum to end up having to ban Chester fans, but there are limits and it seems with you it's just falling on deaf ears. Happy to chip in for this if you wan't, seems unfair to have you shell out for the costs and be forced to put up with the ranting and raving nonsense as well. |
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Post by Lobster on Mar 11, 2021 14:40:31 GMT
The referendum definitely was not PR; in fact the decision to even have a referendum in the first place was product of kind of politics that FPTP produces. As for your main point, why is the U.K. the only European country that uses this system if it is so good? The issue of hung Parliament - it’s still far, far more democratic than FPTP, as the vast majority of the population will be represented in Parliament. Hung parliaments are the norm across Europe, cross-party consensus in the interests of the country. On your last point - I’ve proven that FPTP has failed to serve the country well, above, it only serves those that happened to vote for the leading party well (on both sides; indeed in 2019 more people voted for left-leaning parties put together than voted for the Tories). It’s an outdated archaic method of election. Why was the referendum not PR it was a choice between 2 outcomes and the proportion of people who voted leave was greater than the proportion of people who voted stay. As I said earlier I dont think Labour or Conservative MPs would implement PR. Because 52% of people voted to leave and 48% voted to remain, yet we 100% left and 0% remained. A binary referendum cannot be an example of proportional representation. That's a fairly nonsensical concept, unless 100% of votes gofor the same option. It's first past the post in effect, as whichever option gets the most votes wins, and the margin of victory and number of votes is irrelevant. |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Mar 11, 2021 14:48:49 GMT
Why was the referendum not PR it was a choice between 2 outcomes and the proportion of people who voted leave was greater than the proportion of people who voted stay. As I said earlier I dont think Labour or Conservative MPs would implement PR. Because 52% of people voted to leave and 48% voted to remain, yet we 100% left and 0% remained. A binary referendum cannot be an example of proportional representation. That's a fairly nonsensical concept, unless 100% of votes gofor the same option. It's first past the post in effect, as whichever option gets the most votes wins, and the margin of victory and number of votes is irrelevant. Fair enough probably was the wrong example and FYI I am not against PR in principal |
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Post by Si on Mar 11, 2021 14:54:44 GMT
I've always said this is light touch moderating on this forum, I take absolutely no responsibility for kids that may come on here, I'll leave it to their parents as to whether they think it's appropriate. I've said this a million times over, which is why we don't edit out swear words. If you don't think I'm appropriate to run the forum then I'm not sure what I can really do with that. More than happy to step aside and let someone else babysit you, and let someone else pay the yearly fees for the site etc. Perhaps you need to put it to a members vote? Either way, fed up of trying to get you to listen. You've already had one ban and clearly learnt nothing. Consider this the last warning before the ban becomes permanent - I really don't want to have to do that because I know you are capable of debating properly and you make some good points, and I think there's a lot of value in someone presenting the counter argument to Mancot rather than this being his echo chamber, but have that debate maturely and constructively please. I didn't start this forum to end up having to ban Chester fans, but there are limits and it seems with you it's just falling on deaf ears. Happy to chip in for this if you wan't, seems unfair to have you shell out for the costs and be forced to put up with the ranting and raving nonsense as well. Really appreciate the offer, although me mentioning it wasn't to provoke any sort of fundraiser, merely just to re-emphasise how I don't need to be taking stick about something I willingly pay for (domain name and domain protection), and people perhaps didn't realise that. Us Chester fans dip into our pockets more than enough so I'm fine to cover the cost myself and happy to do so as it's fairly small per year (between £30-40) - however, if anyone did want to make a donation as a gesture then I'd love that to be directed towards Boost the Budget. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2021 15:00:03 GMT
I always believed in a democratic vote the majority wins. Irrespective of how many abstentions. Any other form nothing would ever get decided.
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Mar 11, 2021 16:13:02 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 11, 2021 16:13:02 GMT
I always believed in a democratic vote the majority wins. Irrespective of how many abstentions. Any other form nothing would ever get decided. Members of U.K. parliament representing Scotland: 57 SNP 6 Tories 4 Lib Dem’s 1 Labour 1 independent Members of U.K. parliament representing Wales: 22 Labour 14 Tories 3 Plaid 1 independent Yet Scotland and Wales, as part of the U.K. are governed by the Tories’ massive majority in Westminster. How is that fair and Democratic? |
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Post by everhopeful on Mar 11, 2021 16:16:04 GMT
Why are you talking about him again? Your post is about nothing else other than Mancot. If you disagree with him then present your arguments, provide your links etc, don't just post something like that to inflame a situation. You've allowed him to call another forum member a moron, its in the post I quoted. But now you're trying to make out that I am the one with the problem. The double standards on this part of the forum and lack of self awareness is absolutely mind blowing You could always ignore this part of the forum! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2021 16:21:33 GMT
Would you still say it's unfair if it worked in labour's favour. It must work because every few years voters get peed off with government and vote differently. They do this rather than following one party blindly. It's all about what they believe suits them at a given time (choice)
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Mar 11, 2021 16:26:04 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 11, 2021 16:26:04 GMT
Would you still say it's unfair if it worked in labour's favour. It must work because every few years voters get peed off with government and vote differently. They do this rather than following one party blindly. It's all about what they believe suits them at a given time (choice) Yes because it’s still unfair and un-Democratic, given the vast majority of people in Scotland and Wales very rarely get the government they voted for. Your point about voting differently is superseded by that fact. |
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Post by Lobster on Mar 11, 2021 16:29:55 GMT
I always believed in a democratic vote the majority wins. Irrespective of how many abstentions. Any other form nothing would ever get decided. It's quite possible under our current system that the party who gets the most votes doesn't win the election, and that happened in the US in 2016. |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Mar 11, 2021 16:36:10 GMT
I always believed in a democratic vote the majority wins. Irrespective of how many abstentions. Any other form nothing would ever get decided. Members of U.K. parliament representing Scotland: 57 SNP 6 Tories 4 Lib Dem’s 1 Labour 1 independent Members of U.K. parliament representing Wales: 22 Labour 14 Tories 3 Plaid 1 independent Yet Scotland and Wales, as part of the U.K. are governed by the Tories’ massive majority in Westminster. How is that fair and Democratic? There are 48 SNP MPs and Plaid Cymru has 4 MPs according to BBC results table and under PR SNP would have 25 MPs and Plaid Cymru 3 MPs is that fair |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2021 16:52:12 GMT
Would you still say it's unfair if it worked in labour's favour. It must work because every few years voters get peed off with government and vote differently. They do this rather than following one party blindly. It's all about what they believe suits them at a given time (choice) Yes because it’s still unfair and un-Democratic, given the vast majority of people in Scotland and Wales very rarely get the government they voted for. Your point about voting differently is superseded by that fact.l wow who appointed you as chair of this debate .having said to you on numerous occasions i have voted for all parties at some time as i am not directly bound to vote for one or the other .i vote for the one i feel at that time offers me the best deal.it's not about others it's how it effects me personally.i do have a big heart but empty pockets |
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Mar 11, 2021 17:05:45 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 11, 2021 17:05:45 GMT
I’m sorry I don’t understand the relevance to the point.
You say “every year voters vote differently” but the voters of Scotland and Wales have never elected a majority Tory government yet have spent the vast majority of their lives being governed by one.
I’d say the same no matter what the Party in power.
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Mar 11, 2021 17:16:32 GMT
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Post by lincolnexile on Mar 11, 2021 17:16:32 GMT
I’m sorry I don’t understand the relevance to the point. You say “every year voters vote differently” but the voters of Scotland and Wales have never elected a majority Tory government yet have spent the vast majority of their lives being governed by one. I’d say the same no matter what the Party in power. But, like it or not, Wales and Scotland are part of the UK because they both voted no in an independence vote. |
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Post by lincolnexile on Mar 11, 2021 17:17:42 GMT
You've allowed him to call another forum member a moron, its in the post I quoted. But now you're trying to make out that I am the one with the problem. The double standards on this part of the forum and lack of self awareness is absolutely mind blowing You could always ignore this part of the forum! Keep up will you. |
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Mar 11, 2021 17:23:42 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 11, 2021 17:23:42 GMT
I’m sorry I don’t understand the relevance to the point. You say “every year voters vote differently” but the voters of Scotland and Wales have never elected a majority Tory government yet have spent the vast majority of their lives being governed by one. I’d say the same no matter what the Party in power. But, like it or not, Wales and Scotland are part of the UK because they both voted no in an independence vote. When was the vote on Welsh independence? I like to think I know my history on this subject but I’m completely unaware of there ever being a “Wexit” referendum. Care to enlighten me? |
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Mar 11, 2021 17:38:44 GMT
Post by superman on Mar 11, 2021 17:38:44 GMT
Tongue very firmly in cheek, Wales is a conquered nation, settled and civilised by a bunch of scousers so has no right to independence. Scotland joined as part of an act of union, and so could sue for divorce.
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Mar 12, 2021 8:10:29 GMT
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Post by eyeswideopen on Mar 12, 2021 8:10:29 GMT
I find it absolutely incredible that you've decided to issue me with a final warning. But actually I'm not surprised, because I am in danger of upsetting your biased establishment. Sorry to shine such a bright light on it. At the same time admitting that you're fine to let the forum go stale and not welcome new younger members, who's parents will undoubtedly be put off by what's allowed to be posted, which includes insults of any kind made by faceless forum members. If this is the forum you and your team of moderators want then great, and maybe it is best that posters do leave as you've suggested. The forum represents a small minority of the chester faithful anyway, so why not reduce it further and make devachat what you want it to be. Whatever that is... The forum is open to anyone - pretty much all membership requests are approved. If kids want to come on here then great, that's up to their parents to decide what is acceptable - I've got my own child to worry about without worrying if a 12 year old on here might see the word fuck. Picking up on faceless forum members - isn't that what we all are? It's pretty much what all internet forums are. In fact, at least I've got part of my name on here, Oaks Blue has little more authenticity to it Frank Owen's Paintbrush. I'm very happy with the direction Deva Chat is going in - when there is football going on then the football forum is a vibrant place and I'd like to think we addressed the issues where matchday threads kept going off topic and getting personal. The main issue in recent times has been the off topic duel between you and Mancot, but more often than not it's you fanning the flames. I'm fully aware this forum represents a small minority of Chester fans, but again at least that small minority are a lot more constructive than some of the postings by those on Facebook and Twitter (even with names attached, so they aren't faceless). I hope the forum continues to develop in this way so that some people that were put off from the old Devachat become more trusting of this one. I'm sorry you think it's a biased establishment, and I'm very bored of taking stick from you about it. I'm sorry it had to come to this, I look forward to seeing the return of Dave sometime soon.....cheerio. ![]() And relax...... |
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Mar 12, 2021 8:48:11 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 12, 2021 8:48:11 GMT
But, like it or not, Wales and Scotland are part of the UK because they both voted no in an independence vote. When was the vote on Welsh independence? I like to think I know my history on this subject but I’m completely unaware of there ever being a “Wexit” referendum. Care to enlighten me? ... No answer because you made it up? |
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Mar 12, 2021 8:48:16 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Mar 12, 2021 8:48:16 GMT
Tongue very firmly in cheek, Wales is a conquered nation, settled and civilised by a bunch of scousers so has no right to independence. Scotland joined as part of an act of union, and so could sue for divorce. Jesus, what was it like before?? |
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