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Mar 12, 2021 9:15:17 GMT
Post by Wortleyblue on Mar 12, 2021 9:15:17 GMT
Looks like the Scots are turning against independence according to the Independent link |
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Mar 12, 2021 9:52:25 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Mar 12, 2021 9:52:25 GMT
Looks like the Scots are turning against independence according to the Independent linkI don't understand the logic of Scottish voters to be honest. Almost every constituency there has elected SNP, whose main policy is Scottish independence, yet Scots seem lukewarm and undecided on independence. Who are the Scots who vote SNP but don't want independence? It seems like voting UKIP but being anti-Brexit. |
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Mar 12, 2021 10:20:00 GMT
Post by Wortleyblue on Mar 12, 2021 10:20:00 GMT
Looks like the Scots are turning against independence according to the Independent linkI don't understand the logic of Scottish voters to be honest. Almost every constituency there has elected SNP, whose main policy is Scottish independence, yet Scots seem lukewarm and undecided on independence. Who are the Scots who vote SNP but don't want independence? It seems like voting UKIP but being anti-Brexit. To be fair peoples views on these topics change very quickly and are usually close even with Brexit had the referendum been held a week earlier or later the outcome may have been different. I never read too much into OPs yes they give indications on which to base discussion but only use a small cross section of the public and exactly how diverse they are is never very clear |
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Post by Lobster on Mar 12, 2021 11:18:42 GMT
I don't understand the logic of Scottish voters to be honest. Almost every constituency there has elected SNP, whose main policy is Scottish independence, yet Scots seem lukewarm and undecided on independence. Who are the Scots who vote SNP but don't want independence? It seems like voting UKIP but being anti-Brexit. To be fair peoples views on these topics change very quickly and are usually close even with Brexit had the referendum been held a week earlier or later the outcome may have been different. I never read too much into OPs yes they give indications on which to base discussion but only use a small cross section of the public and exactly how diverse they are is never very clear I don't know how democratic this is, but I heard a suggestion that with referendums, perhaps we should say that unless there's a clear consensus - say 60% - maybe the status quo should remain. As you say, opinion polls on the likes of Brexit and Scottish independence change by the week, and there's not enough of a clear majority there for politicians to justify behaving irresponsibly and fobbing it off as "the will of the people".
The two Irish referendums on gay marriage and abortions had 62% and 66% in favour respectively. There's an obvious consensus there that isn't going to change a month or two later, so that's fair enough I think. When decisions are as marginal as Brexit and Scotland, the way I see it is we elect politicians to make those difficult decisions for us, and use their supposed expertise and access to enhanced knowledge to guide them to a responsible decision. It's not good enough to fob it off on the public, inform them poorly and use one narrow vote five years ago to justify thuggish politics like shutting down parliament. That is shoddy and reckless leadership that goes right back to David Cameron.
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Mar 12, 2021 11:28:48 GMT
Post by luke90 on Mar 12, 2021 11:28:48 GMT
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Post by jedthehumanoid on Mar 12, 2021 14:50:33 GMT
I remember that, I voted for the alternative vote as it goes. Labour and Conservative are both favoured by FPTP though so I can't see it changing anytime soon which is a shame. AV or proportional representation do seem to be fairer than FPTP in theory. |
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Mar 12, 2021 15:17:37 GMT
Post by Lobster on Mar 12, 2021 15:17:37 GMT
Weird, I have no recollection of that vote at all.
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Mar 12, 2021 17:44:04 GMT
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Mar 12, 2021 17:44:04 GMT
Ha! Ha! Exports to the EU fell by 40% in the first month of Brexit , worth 5.6 billion to the economy and is likely to be a drag on recovery for years to come. Well done to all those that voted to make the UK poorer. Brexit chaos is here to stay. Boris lol Its like having the Joker run Gotham
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Mar 12, 2021 20:59:29 GMT
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Mar 12, 2021 20:59:29 GMT
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Mar 13, 2021 14:39:41 GMT
Post by Deva Chanter on Mar 13, 2021 14:39:41 GMT
Weird, I have no recollection of that vote at all. It was one of the only things the Liberal Democrats managed to negotiate as part of the coalition agreement, alongside forcing through welfare cuts in return for charges on plastic carrier bags and a ministerial limousine for Nick Clegg. Even then, they settled on such a pathetic alternative system that was only marginally more proportional than FPTP. It was unattractive to almost everyone but the Lib Dems and was roundly rejected by the public. So another crime to which to hold that bunch of vacuous, principle-less losers responsible for: setting back the dial on PR potentially for a generation. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 16, 2021 7:05:59 GMT
Hilarious now to see the government wanting to delay Brexit (and breaking the deal they told us all was “oven ready”) and the EU taking them to court to make them accept the result of the referendum! 😂😂😂
“You won, get over it.”
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Mar 16, 2021 7:45:50 GMT
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Mar 16, 2021 7:45:50 GMT
Hilarious now to see the government wanting to delay Brexit (and breaking the deal they told us all was “oven ready”) and the EU taking them to court to make them accept the result of the referendum! 😂😂😂 “You won, get over it.” 40% drop in exports worth 5.6 billion, in the first month. Exporters drowning in a sea of red tape Its now impossible to hid the damage Brexit is doing,And rising numbers of people thinking Brexit has been bad for the economy Brexiteers trying to postpone Brexit. They probably know themselves its a shit idea. Globial Britain my arse.They will be celebrating a trade deal with Albania next. |
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Apr 8, 2021 15:20:51 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Apr 8, 2021 15:20:51 GMT
I see Brexit is working well for the Occupied Territories of the North of Ireland at the moment...
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Apr 8, 2021 19:50:19 GMT
I see Brexit is working well for the Occupied Territories of the North of Ireland at the moment... Brexit to the peace process is akin to giving an arsonist a box of matches. |
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Post by eyeswideopen on Apr 9, 2021 6:51:50 GMT
I see Brexit is working well for the Occupied Territories of the North of Ireland at the moment... Looking at the age of a lot of the protesters, come rioters, i reckon most of them couldn't spell Brexit never mind understand it. |
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Apr 11, 2021 9:33:38 GMT
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Apr 11, 2021 9:33:38 GMT
I see Brexit is working well for the Occupied Territories of the North of Ireland at the moment... Headline this morning." Brexit Britain's Biggest Test Might Be the Ability to Survive". It survived WW2 only to be killed by Farage. 100 days in and its looking far from the land of 'milk and honey' promised. Lol. Going tits up in Northern Ireland and the SNP looking like gaining a majority and a second referendum, in May's Elections. Not quite the 'domino effect ' predicted by Farage. Maybe they will be waving Scottish flags , in Parliament, on the departure of Scotland from the UK? |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Apr 11, 2021 9:35:08 GMT
Said it before but English white nationalist Brexit will be the ending of the Union. That will be Johnson’s legacy.
Enforcing the flying of the Union Jack in Wales and Scotland will have the opposite effect he thinks it’ll have, it’ll breed contempt.
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Post by Lobster on Apr 14, 2021 8:44:31 GMT
James Dyson gloating today that Brexit has given him more freedom.
It's a shame so many voters don't seem to realise that all they've gone and done is helped billionaires like him squeeze even more pennies out of us, while taking jobs elsewhere.
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Post by eyeswideopen on Apr 15, 2021 10:04:01 GMT
James Dyson gloating today that Brexit has given him more freedom. It's a shame so many voters don't seem to realise that all they've gone and done is helped billionaires like him squeeze even more pennies out of us, while taking jobs elsewhere. Yep, many companies complained of having their hands tied with when dealing with countries within the EU, many of them are now opening up offices and warehouses in Holland because the paperwork required to deal with EU countries is er....tying their hands even more. |
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Apr 16, 2021 19:51:49 GMT
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Apr 16, 2021 19:51:49 GMT
900 billion of assets moved from Londoon to the EU.And 7500 jobs lost. What a good idea Brexit was Lol
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Post by Firestick Frank on Apr 19, 2021 9:32:15 GMT
More the than 440 banks and insurers have shifted more than £1trillion to the European Union so far in response to Brexit (New Financial).
JD Sports are the latest to open operations in the EU as Brexit bites (Bloomberg).
The Brexit-supporting Torygraph report a pro-Brexit Lord moaning that Brexit is endangering medicine supplies to the Occupied Territories of the North of Ireland.
Lol...
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Apr 22, 2021 15:50:55 GMT
Post by Wortleyblue on Apr 22, 2021 15:50:55 GMT
Said it before but English white nationalist Brexit will be the ending of the Union. That will be Johnson’s legacy. Enforcing the flying of the Union Jack in Wales and Scotland will have the opposite effect he thinks it’ll have, it’ll breed contempt. Could you please explain to me why that is the case when you refer to Northern Ireland as the Occupied Teritory thus infering it should leave the union and join back with Ireland which in turn would be fundamental to the ending of the Union and nothing to do with Brexit |
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Apr 22, 2021 16:31:21 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Apr 22, 2021 16:31:21 GMT
Said it before but English white nationalist Brexit will be the ending of the Union. That will be Johnson’s legacy. Enforcing the flying of the Union Jack in Wales and Scotland will have the opposite effect he thinks it’ll have, it’ll breed contempt. Could you please explain to me why that is the case when you refer to Northern Ireland as the Occupied Teritory thus infering it should leave the union and join back with Ireland which in turn would be fundamental to the ending of the Union and nothing to do with Brexit The union of England, Scotland and Wales predates a union with any part of Ireland by nearly a century. The UK as we know it now is not even 100 years old. |
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Apr 22, 2021 17:21:04 GMT
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Post by Wortleyblue on Apr 22, 2021 17:21:04 GMT
Could you please explain to me why that is the case when you refer to Northern Ireland as the Occupied Teritory thus infering it should leave the union and join back with Ireland which in turn would be fundamental to the ending of the Union and nothing to do with Brexit The union of England, Scotland and Wales predates a union with any part of Ireland by nearly a century. The UK as we know it now is not even 100 years old. Ireland joined the union in 1801 and Northern Ireland was established in 1921 as it wanted to remain in the union whereas the rest of Ireland didn't |
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Apr 22, 2021 17:40:13 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Apr 22, 2021 17:40:13 GMT
Said it before but English white nationalist Brexit will be the ending of the Union. That will be Johnson’s legacy. Enforcing the flying of the Union Jack in Wales and Scotland will have the opposite effect he thinks it’ll have, it’ll breed contempt. Could you please explain to me why that is the case when you refer to Northern Ireland as the Occupied Teritory thus infering it should leave the union and join back with Ireland which in turn would be fundamental to the ending of the Union and nothing to do with Brexit If a victim of domestic abuse flees their home, is it the victim who has caused the end of the relationship or is it the perpetrator? |
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Apr 22, 2021 17:42:57 GMT
Post by delamereal on Apr 22, 2021 17:42:57 GMT
Could you please explain to me why that is the case when you refer to Northern Ireland as the Occupied Teritory thus infering it should leave the union and join back with Ireland which in turn would be fundamental to the ending of the Union and nothing to do with Brexit If a victim of domestic abuse flees their home, is it the victim who has caused the end of the relationship or is it the perpetrator? I presume you are talking of the Israelis as the victims and the arabs as perpetrator. |
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Apr 22, 2021 17:49:41 GMT
Post by Wortleyblue on Apr 22, 2021 17:49:41 GMT
Could you please explain to me why that is the case when you refer to Northern Ireland as the Occupied Teritory thus infering it should leave the union and join back with Ireland which in turn would be fundamental to the ending of the Union and nothing to do with Brexit If a victim of domestic abuse flees their home, is it the victim who has caused the end of the relationship or is it the perpetrator? That is a strange comparison I dont believe any government Labour or Tory has been abusive to Northern Ireland |
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Apr 22, 2021 17:51:08 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Apr 22, 2021 17:51:08 GMT
If a victim of domestic abuse flees their home, is it the victim who has caused the end of the relationship or is it the perpetrator? That is a strange comparison I dont believe any government Labour or Tory has been abusive to Northern Ireland January 30th, 1972 for starters. |
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Apr 22, 2021 17:52:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 17:52:33 GMT
Said it before but English white nationalist Brexit will be the ending of the Union. That will be Johnson’s legacy. Enforcing the flying of the Union Jack in Wales and Scotland will have the opposite effect he thinks it’ll have, it’ll breed contempt. is there something wrong with being English and white and a brexit supporter. I am all of those and a cestrian with ancesters going back to the 17th century.oh and I forgot to mention I am also a freeman of the city of Chester. And very proud to be all of them. |
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Apr 22, 2021 19:47:59 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Apr 22, 2021 19:47:59 GMT
Said it before but English white nationalist Brexit will be the ending of the Union. That will be Johnson’s legacy. Enforcing the flying of the Union Jack in Wales and Scotland will have the opposite effect he thinks it’ll have, it’ll breed contempt. is there something wrong with being English and white and a brexit supporter. I am all of those and a cestrian with ancesters going back to the 17th century.oh and I forgot to mention I am also a freeman of the city of Chester. And very proud to be all of them. I’m no expert but I think everyone has ancestors going back to the 17th century. |
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