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Sept 24, 2021 14:00:00 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 24, 2021 14:00:00 GMT
I stopped reading after the first point - yes, everyone agreed taxes need to rise but the point I had made was on whom that burden fell. Only abhorrent soulless individuals believe that key worker working class and UC claimants should face a tax hike and millionaires shouldn’t.
I’m not engaging with the rest of the post based on that.
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Sept 24, 2021 14:15:14 GMT
Post by luke90 on Sept 24, 2021 14:15:14 GMT
I stopped reading after the first point - yes, everyone agreed taxes need to rise but the point I had made was on whom that burden fell. Only abhorrent soulless individuals believe that key worker working class and UC claimants should face a tax hike and millionaires shouldn’t. I’m not engaging with the rest of the post based on that. And I was replying to a post on the Brexit thread, which you posted on stating 4 things that were down to Brexit, not once did you say anything about who the burden fell on? I agree with you that it should have been done differently, but that wasn't the point you were posting about lets not blur lines here. Not sure why you are getting so defensive when i didn't say any of the above, was just saying it from a Brexit perspective which Ian asked for?? |
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Post by Ian H Block on Sept 24, 2021 14:54:27 GMT
I stopped reading after the first point - yes, everyone agreed taxes need to rise but the point I had made was on whom that burden fell. Only abhorrent soulless individuals believe that key worker working class and UC claimants should face a tax hike and millionaires shouldn’t. I’m not engaging with the rest of the post based on that. And I was replying to a post on the Brexit thread, which you posted on stating 4 things that were down to Brexit, not once did you say anything about who the burden fell on? I agree with you that it should have been done differently, but that wasn't the point you were posting about lets not blur lines here. Not sure why you are getting so defensive when i didn't say any of the above, was just saying it from a Brexit perspective which Ian asked for?? Looking at the fourth point you raised in your earlier post regarding trade deals (or lack of). How you can absolve Brexit of blame for this is quite incredible. We abandoned a free trade deal with the largest trading bloc in the world and were promised the easiest negotiation ever to re-establish a similar agreement (still yet to materialise) as well as a quick and easy US free trade deal. The Tories have delivered none of this but I’m sure Ian Botham is out there somewhere working his socks off. |
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Sept 24, 2021 15:03:39 GMT
Post by luke90 on Sept 24, 2021 15:03:39 GMT
And I was replying to a post on the Brexit thread, which you posted on stating 4 things that were down to Brexit, not once did you say anything about who the burden fell on? I agree with you that it should have been done differently, but that wasn't the point you were posting about lets not blur lines here. Not sure why you are getting so defensive when i didn't say any of the above, was just saying it from a Brexit perspective which Ian asked for?? Looking at the fourth point you raised in your earlier post regarding trade deals (or lack of). How you can absolve Brexit of blame for this is quite incredible. We abandoned a free trade deal with the largest trading bloc in the world and were promised the easiest negotiation ever to re-establish a similar agreement (still yet to materialise) as well as a quick and easy US free trade deal. The Tories have delivered none of this but I’m sure Ian Botham is out there somewhere working his socks off. Looking back, i certainly think it wasn't the smartest move on our part leaving as you say, the largest trading partner we had. I was just trying to point out that the end of the world hasn't happened yet from leaving and neither has anything positive really, just seems to have been all pretty neutral. Just all seems pretty pointless tbh, my life hasn't changed and i dont think many people can say that theirs has - that was my main point, though poorly made by myself. Though of course the HGV crisis may flip a lot of what ive jsut said on its head! |
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Sept 24, 2021 18:34:17 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Sept 24, 2021 18:34:17 GMT
Looking at the fourth point you raised in your earlier post regarding trade deals (or lack of). How you can absolve Brexit of blame for this is quite incredible. We abandoned a free trade deal with the largest trading bloc in the world and were promised the easiest negotiation ever to re-establish a similar agreement (still yet to materialise) as well as a quick and easy US free trade deal. The Tories have delivered none of this but I’m sure Ian Botham is out there somewhere working his socks off. Looking back, i certainly think it wasn't the smartest move on our part leaving as you say, the largest trading partner we had. I was just trying to point out that the end of the world hasn't happened yet from leaving and neither has anything positive really, just seems to have been all pretty neutral. Just all seems pretty pointless tbh, my life hasn't changed and i dont think many people can say that theirs has - that was my main point, though poorly made by myself. Though of course the HGV crisis may flip a lot of what ive jsut said on its head! Thank you for posting on the thread, it’s nice to hear another perspective on the mess we find ourselves in. |
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Sept 24, 2021 19:04:48 GMT
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Post by lincolnexile on Sept 24, 2021 19:04:48 GMT
Looking at the fourth point you raised in your earlier post regarding trade deals (or lack of). How you can absolve Brexit of blame for this is quite incredible. We abandoned a free trade deal with the largest trading bloc in the world and were promised the easiest negotiation ever to re-establish a similar agreement (still yet to materialise) as well as a quick and easy US free trade deal. The Tories have delivered none of this but I’m sure Ian Botham is out there somewhere working his socks off. Looking back, i certainly think it wasn't the smartest move on our part leaving as you say, the largest trading partner we had. I was just trying to point out that the end of the world hasn't happened yet from leaving and neither has anything positive really, just seems to have been all pretty neutral. Just all seems pretty pointless tbh, my life hasn't changed and i dont think many people can say that theirs has - that was my main point, though poorly made by myself. Though of course the HGV crisis may flip a lot of what ive jsut said on its head! The HGV crisis has been amongst us for months to be fair. It's only been more noticeable now it's affecting everyday things such as supermarket stocks and petrol. The construction industry has been suffering for months with materials lead in times being ridiculously long and many essential materials being unobtainable. The real problem is that there's no quick fix for the lack of drivers so I can't see any improvement in the foreseeable future if ever. |
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Sept 24, 2021 20:35:25 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 24, 2021 20:35:25 GMT
And I was replying to a post on the Brexit thread, which you posted on stating 4 things that were down to Brexit, not once did you say anything about who the burden fell on? I agree with you that it should have been done differently, but that wasn't the point you were posting about lets not blur lines here. Not sure why you are getting so defensive when i didn't say any of the above, was just saying it from a Brexit perspective which Ian asked for?? Looking at the fourth point you raised in your earlier post regarding trade deals (or lack of). How you can absolve Brexit of blame for this is quite incredible. We abandoned a free trade deal with the largest trading bloc in the world and were promised the easiest negotiation ever to re-establish a similar agreement (still yet to materialise) as well as a quick and easy US free trade deal. The Tories have delivered none of this but I’m sure Ian Botham is out there somewhere working his socks off. The mental somersaults these people are undertaking must absolutely exhaust them. For example I overheard a bloke I know voted Brexit today saying the problems are being caused by “the EU not giving us our HGV drivers back.” They’re embarrassing themselves that much just to shag the flag. |
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Post by Lobster on Sept 24, 2021 22:54:20 GMT
Looking at the fourth point you raised in your earlier post regarding trade deals (or lack of). How you can absolve Brexit of blame for this is quite incredible. We abandoned a free trade deal with the largest trading bloc in the world and were promised the easiest negotiation ever to re-establish a similar agreement (still yet to materialise) as well as a quick and easy US free trade deal. The Tories have delivered none of this but I’m sure Ian Botham is out there somewhere working his socks off. Looking back, i certainly think it wasn't the smartest move on our part leaving as you say, the largest trading partner we had. I was just trying to point out that the end of the world hasn't happened yet from leaving and neither has anything positive really, just seems to have been all pretty neutral. Just all seems pretty pointless tbh, my life hasn't changed and i dont think many people can say that theirs has - that was my main point, though poorly made by myself. Though of course the HGV crisis may flip a lot of what ive jsut said on its head! But if nothing positive has come of it then surely that alone is a negative given how much time and money has been spent on it? From 2015 up until Covid politicians talked about nothing but Brexit and delayed/disbanded many other projects to focus on it, including a pandemic response team. So I would say Brexit has affected everyone's life for the worse, and that's before we even consider its direct consequences. |
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Post by thestanchion on Sept 24, 2021 23:49:12 GMT
The pigheadness of the brexit voters continues to amaze me. Searching
for a medicinal product in a supermarket recently the assistant informed me that there was no stock and problems with delivery. I mentioned Brexit, he replied it's just the frogs being arsey because we've dumped them. Where do people like this get their information? It's scary.
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Post by Ian H Block on Sept 25, 2021 5:48:30 GMT
The pigheadness of the brexit voters continues to amaze me. Searching for a medicinal product in a supermarket recently the assistant informed me that there was no stock and problems with delivery. I mentioned Brexit, he replied it's just the frogs being arsey because we've dumped them. Where do people like this get their information? It's scary. I’m guessing it’s the Daily Express, Daily Mail, The Scum, GB News …. |
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Sept 26, 2021 6:50:41 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Sept 26, 2021 6:50:41 GMT
If I'm understanding it correctly, it seems like to address the lorry driver problems Brexit has caused, we're basically now having to allow anyone who says they can drive a lorry to work here. This system is surely far more open to abuse that any agreement we had under the EU, and seems to go against the main thing most Brexiteers voted for.
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Post by Ian H Block on Sept 26, 2021 7:15:14 GMT
If I'm understanding it correctly, it seems like to address the lorry driver problems Brexit has caused, we're basically now having to allow anyone who says they can drive a lorry to work here. This system is surely far more open to abuse that any agreement we had under the EU, and seems to go against the main thing most Brexiteers voted for. The European Road Hauliers Association says pay and working conditions in the EU are far better than here, so goodness knows what standard of HGV drivers will come here (if any). From ‘oven ready deal’ and ‘we hold all the cards’ to ‘can’t get enough people to kill the turkeys for Christmas, nor get them to the shops in time’, in under 12 months, is an impressive rate of national decline. |
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Sept 26, 2021 9:17:06 GMT
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Sept 26, 2021 9:17:06 GMT
If I'm understanding it correctly, it seems like to address the lorry driver problems Brexit has caused, we're basically now having to allow anyone who says they can drive a lorry to work here. This system is surely far more open to abuse that any agreement we had under the EU, and seems to go against the main thing most Brexiteers voted for. The European Road Hauliers Association says pay and working conditions in the EU are far better than here, so goodness knows what standard of HGV drivers will come here (if any). From ‘oven ready deal’ and ‘we hold all the cards’ to ‘can’t get enough people to kill the turkeys for Christmas, nor get them to the shops in time’, in under 12 months, is an impressive rate of national decline. Exactly, food and fuel shortages. Its looking like Albania, in the 1980's. |
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Sept 26, 2021 9:48:41 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Sept 26, 2021 9:48:41 GMT
The European Road Hauliers Association says pay and working conditions in the EU are far better than here, so goodness knows what standard of HGV drivers will come here (if any). From ‘oven ready deal’ and ‘we hold all the cards’ to ‘can’t get enough people to kill the turkeys for Christmas, nor get them to the shops in time’, in under 12 months, is an impressive rate of national decline. Exactly, food and fuel shortages. Its looking like Albania, in the 1980's. If you’re a student of history it’s a fascinating time to be alive. If you’re one of the millions on the receiving end of Tory incompetence, it must feel genuinely scary. |
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Post by Lobster on Sept 26, 2021 10:06:35 GMT
The European Road Hauliers Association says pay and working conditions in the EU are far better than here, so goodness knows what standard of HGV drivers will come here (if any). From ‘oven ready deal’ and ‘we hold all the cards’ to ‘can’t get enough people to kill the turkeys for Christmas, nor get them to the shops in time’, in under 12 months, is an impressive rate of national decline. Exactly, food and fuel shortages. Its looking like Albania, in the 1980's. Ha, if you go right back to the second page of this thread I made a comparison between post-Brexit UK and Albania. Derry Blue accused me of propagating "Project Fear" for it. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Sept 26, 2021 14:32:56 GMT
Exactly, food and fuel shortages. Its looking like Albania, in the 1980's. Ha, if you go right back to the second page of this thread I made a comparison between post-Brexit UK and Albania. Derry Blue accused me of propagating "Project Fear" for it. Yeah, I remember him, he had that rare combination of a patronising, sanctimonious attitude with an unhealthy inferiority complex. Absolute psychoanalyst’s dream, he viewed anyone whose political compass was to the left of Norman Tebbit as a Marxist. I think his weltanschauung was formulated in 1930’s Munich or something. I do miss some of those right wingers on here, a few of them used to amuse me. Alas Oaks Blue committed pro board Hari Kari, upsidedown’s head fell off and Derry Blue was presumably taken away by Nurse. The rest are probably too embarrassed to post on here now. Shame, but understandable. |
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Sept 26, 2021 22:57:20 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 26, 2021 22:57:20 GMT
Reading about an owner of a gardening company that used to employ 30 staff. 15 went home after Brexit so now he’s back mowing cricket greens at the age of 80.
First thing he said was he voted Remain, respected the work ethic of his former employees and even keeps in touch. He just thinks the whole situation was avoidable, predictable and ultimately depressing.
You really feel sorry for the likes of him - have a lot of respect for the poor bloke trying to keep his small business afloat by sacking off his retirement.
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Sept 27, 2021 12:26:34 GMT
Post by eyeswideopen on Sept 27, 2021 12:26:34 GMT
I heard a fantastic quote the other day.
If the planet is really 4.5 billion years old, imagine how lucky you are to have spent such as short time in that period alongside David Bowie.
or you could swap that with how unlucky you were to share it with the worst Government and Prime Minister in history.
I guess its a glass half full/empty thing.
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Sept 28, 2021 8:20:55 GMT
Post by Si on Sept 28, 2021 8:20:55 GMT
I managed to fill up in Buckley last night, I've not been as happy since I managed to score a couple of packs of dried pasta last March.
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Post by lincolnexile on Sept 28, 2021 8:30:40 GMT
I managed to fill up in Buckley last night, I've not been as happy since I managed to bag a couple of packs of dried pasta last March. I think the government should be applauded for this magnificent climate change initiative. Originally they were aiming to have all petrol and diesel vehicles off the road by 2035 and now this has been brought forward to this Thursday. |
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Post by Lobster on Sept 28, 2021 12:17:04 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 1, 2021 19:52:04 GMT
Neverspoons post record losses. Is there an English word for Schadenfraude that Tim would understand?
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Oct 7, 2021 21:22:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 21:22:55 GMT
Jesus
Chester lost in the cup to a tin pot team
Is that down to brexit
We are 3 years behind on Brexit because of the fkin remoaners who would not let it go.
40k driver shortage in Germany over 90k in Poland
Supermarkets stocks are low in Europe
We had a fuel issue 2 weeks ago because of fkin idiots hitting the pumps when no need to
Moan about brexit in 40 years when there may be another vote
Until then shut the fk up
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Oct 7, 2021 21:26:30 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 21:26:30 GMT
I heard a fantastic quote the other day. If the planet is really 4.5 billion years old, imagine how lucky you are to have spent such as short time in that period alongside David Bowie. or you could swap that with how unlucky you were to share it with the worst Government and Prime Minister in history. I guess its a glass half full/empty thing. Get it right Labour government under Blair and brown WMD fk off you murdering bastard Blair Country bankrupt when the Tories got in Yes bankrupt pensions raided by fkin Brown Who do want leading this country corbyn or a wooden plank like fkin Starmer |
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Oct 7, 2021 21:32:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 21:32:13 GMT
Boris has be in power for 5 mins
He got hit by a bloody virus that has hit us for 10.
He got brexit done, that's what we voted for, until they could not accept it .
We have a brilliant vaccination programme,I'm sure most have had that now.
Let the government now do the job in steering us through the next stage
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Oct 7, 2021 21:35:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 21:35:32 GMT
Reading about an owner of a gardening company that used to employ 30 staff. 15 went home after Brexit so now he’s back mowing cricket greens at the age of 80. First thing he said was he voted Remain, respected the work ethic of his former employees and even keeps in touch. He just thinks the whole situation was avoidable, predictable and ultimately depressing. You really feel sorry for the likes of him - have a lot of respect for the poor bloke trying to keep his small business afloat by sacking off his retirement. Did you read about the fruit company who have invested in machinery from a government grant, the workforce has expanded and now looking to recruit further |
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Oct 7, 2021 21:48:53 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 7, 2021 21:48:53 GMT
Such a weird train of posts from a Wrexham AFC supporter on the Off-Topic Forum of a Chester FC messageboard.
Then again you’re a Tory serf from a deprived town so I’m not surprised your half a brain cell told you to post on here on a Thursday night.
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Oct 8, 2021 7:26:20 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2021 7:26:20 GMT
Today's "revelation" (was to be expected of this shower in government) that the Brexit Minister has now admitted the government have not carried out any impact assessments at all is unreal. Get out, let Keir Starmer and his team sort this crap out. Otherwise Brexit must cease immediately - it is based on lies. The UK parliament is no longer credible and the government must resign. Kier Starmer 🤣🤣🤣🤣 That is pure gold.... |
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Oct 8, 2021 8:20:37 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 8, 2021 8:20:37 GMT
Can always rely on a Goat for a laugh.
A few screws loose to be posting prolifically on the off-topic forum of a Chester messageboard.
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Post by Lobster on Oct 8, 2021 11:02:04 GMT
Today's "revelation" (was to be expected of this shower in government) that the Brexit Minister has now admitted the government have not carried out any impact assessments at all is unreal. Get out, let Keir Starmer and his team sort this crap out. Otherwise Brexit must cease immediately - it is based on lies. The UK parliament is no longer credible and the government must resign. Kier Starmer 🤣🤣🤣🤣 That is pure gold.... Quoting a post from December 2017. Are you going to go back through all 155 pages of this thread and give "witty" retorts to all of them? Mind you, it does at least show that FOP once had a good word to say about Starmer! In my eyes, Wrexham has become a town of wimps by voting Conservative. The Tories used to fear towns like yours, now they can rely on them to "know their place" and vote in favour of the architects of their misery. |
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