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Jun 3, 2019 14:25:42 GMT
Post by Lobster on Jun 3, 2019 14:25:42 GMT
So, Trump's come here to tell us Brexit, Boris and Farage are all great. Should tell us a lot!
If anyone's interested, there's a protest outside against his visit at the town hall in Chester at 7pm tomorrow, and one in Liverpool tonight.
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Jun 3, 2019 15:38:02 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Jun 3, 2019 15:38:02 GMT
I'm not going, just thought some might be interested.
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Jun 6, 2019 16:46:37 GMT
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Jun 6, 2019 16:46:37 GMT
Brexit voting Bridgend threatened with the closure of the Ford plant, with the loss of 1400 jobs. Nevermind, I am sure that nice Mr Farage will come and rescue them?
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Jun 6, 2019 17:25:01 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Jun 6, 2019 17:25:01 GMT
Brexit voting Bridgend threatened with the closure of the Ford plant, with the loss of 1400 jobs. Nevermind, I am sure that nice Mr Farage will come and rescue them? As nice a narrative as that would be for Remainers like you and me, there's clearly far more to this decision than Brexit. Ultimately, large numbers of people are now facing redundancy and nobody deserves that regardless of what they did three years ago. |
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Jun 6, 2019 17:38:30 GMT
Post by Little Blue Boy on Jun 6, 2019 17:38:30 GMT
Brexit voting Bridgend threatened with the closure of the Ford plant, with the loss of 1400 jobs. Nevermind, I am sure that nice Mr Farage will come and rescue them? Getting a bit bored of this now.... Ford: No Brexit link to Bridgend plant closureAnd here I was thinking it was the Leave campaign that did all the lying  |
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Jun 6, 2019 18:05:23 GMT
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Jun 6, 2019 18:05:23 GMT
Brexit voting Bridgend threatened with the closure of the Ford plant, with the loss of 1400 jobs. Nevermind, I am sure that nice Mr Farage will come and rescue them? Getting a bit bored of this now.... Ford: No Brexit link to Bridgend plant closureAnd here I was thinking it was the Leave campaign that did all the lying Just keep on telling yourself ,that none of the closures happening are Brexit related and everything will be ok. Just see what hapoens when a no deal Brexit takes the economy off the cliff. All to get immigration by a few thousand. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 6, 2019 18:14:46 GMT
Do we know how many car plants have closed in non-Brexshitty countries since 2016?
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Jun 6, 2019 18:37:17 GMT
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Post by Little Blue Boy on Jun 6, 2019 18:37:17 GMT
Just keep on telling yourself ,that none of the closures happening are Brexit related and everything will be ok. Just see what hapoens when a no deal Brexit takes the economy off the cliff. All to get immigration by a few thousand. Bizarre assertion to make. I've simply pointed out on a handful of occasions the blatant lying being deployed on this forum regarding business closures or scale backs. You are the one who is telling yourself (and us) that any closures are Brexit related, even when there is clear and compelling evidence that they aren't. |
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Jun 6, 2019 18:51:18 GMT
Post by Lobster on Jun 6, 2019 18:51:18 GMT
What's the "clear and compelling evidence" other than companies denying it? Companies are always going to bear in mind PR when they give a reason for closures, and blaming them on something 52% of Brits voted for would probably not be a great move even if it's accurate.
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Jun 6, 2019 19:03:05 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 6, 2019 19:03:05 GMT
What's the "clear and compelling evidence" other than companies denying it? Companies are always going to bear in mind PR when they give a reason for closures, and blaming them on something 52% of Brits voted for would probably not be a great move even if it's accurate. 27.6% of Brits voted for Brexshit, get it right. |
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Jun 6, 2019 19:50:54 GMT
Post by Little Blue Boy on Jun 6, 2019 19:50:54 GMT
What's the "clear and compelling evidence" other than companies denying it? Companies are always going to bear in mind PR when they give a reason for closures, and blaming them on something 52% of Brits voted for would probably not be a great move even if it's accurate. Sorry, I should have caveated that in times like these. Insight into the market or a willingness to read beyond headlines usually helps. Ford lost a Jaguar Land Rover contract which was circa 50% of the workforce. Their percentage of the market is also markedly down compared to when the Bridgend plant opened. |
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Jun 7, 2019 8:39:29 GMT
Good to see Farage and the mainstream media humiliated this morning. They were all predicting a Brexit win, in Peterborough. Farage his shady backers and his support for the privitising of the NHS, all need exposing, First class conman.
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Jun 7, 2019 12:39:59 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jun 7, 2019 12:39:59 GMT
An incredible win for politics of hope over politics of fear.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 12:45:57 GMT
Ford: No Brexit link to Bridgend plant closureThe article is contradictory. From the exact same article further down:
"The company told Sky News earlier this year it would have to carefully consider its British business in the event of a no-deal Brexit and confirmed that remained the case, despite a commitment to its current UK operations on Thursday.
The UK car industry has been one of the most vocal opponents of a so-called messy divorce from the EU, saying it is imperative that the flow of goods is maintained and that products remain tariff-free."
The article starts off by blaming cost disadvantages. The key here is products remaining tariff free. No-deal would destroy that. |
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Post by Derry Blue on Jun 7, 2019 13:28:12 GMT
An incredible win for politics of hope over politics of fear. The official opposition party hold a seat (just) during an unpopular government’s reign and that’s “incredible”. Maybe you need to raise your standards just a bit. |
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Jun 7, 2019 13:39:56 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 7, 2019 13:39:56 GMT
An incredible win for politics of hope over politics of fear. The official opposition party hold a seat (just) during an unpopular government’s reign and that’s “incredible”. Maybe you need to raise your standards just a bit. Sounds like you’re disappointed the politics of fear didn’t win. |
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Jun 7, 2019 14:03:32 GMT
Post by Lobster on Jun 7, 2019 14:03:32 GMT
Ford: No Brexit link to Bridgend plant closureThe article is contradictory. From the exact same article further down:
"The company told Sky News earlier this year it would have to carefully consider its British business in the event of a no-deal Brexit and confirmed that remained the case, despite a commitment to its current UK operations on Thursday.
The UK car industry has been one of the most vocal opponents of a so-called messy divorce from the EU, saying it is imperative that the flow of goods is maintained and that products remain tariff-free."
The article starts off by blaming cost disadvantages. The key here is products remaining tariff free. No-deal would destroy that. Not at all surprising that Murdoch-owned Sky News would lead with the Brexit apologist angle. |
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Post by Lobster on Jun 7, 2019 14:17:48 GMT
The Brexit Party's success in the EU elections was inevitable, but I don't really understand why they're putting forward candidates in by-elections and presumably general elections. It just seems like sabotaging politics over a single issue that's dividing the nation.
I think voters need to think hard about what they're doing. Do you really want your constituency to be run by a Brexit Party MP? If your have a problem with potholes, your local school, green belt, housing issues, public transport, fly-tipping etc, what exactly are the Brexit Party going to do about it, other than find a way to blame it on the EU.
There's a degree of bloody-mindedness about how Brexiteers are carrying on. The failure of Change UK in the EU Elections showed that Remainers are not interested in single-issue politics, but most on the other side of the debate still seem to see the debate as binary. Important issues are being neglected while certain groups are just banging their fists and shouting 'Brexit Brexit Brexit', and the fact that they feel that democracy has been abused has galvanised them to the point where I actually think a second referendum would now only result in another Leave vote - perhaps by an even greater margin.
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Jun 7, 2019 14:41:46 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Jun 7, 2019 14:41:46 GMT
The official opposition party hold a seat (just) during an unpopular government’s reign and that’s “incredible”. Maybe you need to raise your standards just a bit. Sounds like you’re disappointed the politics of fear didn’t win. Nope, he's just interpreting an election result appropriately. |
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Post by Derry Blue on Jun 7, 2019 15:47:34 GMT
Sounds like you’re disappointed the politics of fear didn’t win. Nope, he's just interpreting an election result appropriately. Thank you for the response. I know only too well that IHB’s comments are only too typical of his view. Any reasonable comment must be answered by a personal attack. It’s never allowed to be Labour’s fault for a lack of progress. |
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Jun 7, 2019 16:45:27 GMT
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Jun 7, 2019 16:45:27 GMT
Ford: No Brexit link to Bridgend plant closureThe article is contradictory. From the exact same article further down:
"The company told Sky News earlier this year it would have to carefully consider its British business in the event of a no-deal Brexit and confirmed that remained the case, despite a commitment to its current UK operations on Thursday.
The UK car industry has been one of the most vocal opponents of a so-called messy divorce from the EU, saying it is imperative that the flow of goods is maintained and that products remain tariff-free."
The article starts off by blaming cost disadvantages. The key here is products remaining tariff free. No-deal would destroy that. I suggest little boy blue should read this and take the brexit blinkers off |
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Jun 7, 2019 17:02:19 GMT
Post by Little Blue Boy on Jun 7, 2019 17:02:19 GMT
Ford: No Brexit link to Bridgend plant closureThe article is contradictory. From the exact same article further down:
"The company told Sky News earlier this year it would have to carefully consider its British business in the event of a no-deal Brexit and confirmed that remained the case, despite a commitment to its current UK operations on Thursday.
The UK car industry has been one of the most vocal opponents of a so-called messy divorce from the EU, saying it is imperative that the flow of goods is maintained and that products remain tariff-free."
The article starts off by blaming cost disadvantages. The key here is products remaining tariff free. No-deal would destroy that. I suggest little boy blue should read this and take the brexit blinkers off This debate is clearly a little too nuanced for you. No deal Brexit would of course have a negative impact on businesses like Ford - I don't think that is up for debate. My point was that this particular plant closure is as a result of Ford losing a significant contract on the back of a reduction in the businesses market share, in part due to the move from petrol to electric engines. |
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Jun 7, 2019 19:02:33 GMT
Post by Deva Chanter on Jun 7, 2019 19:02:33 GMT
An incredible win for politics of hope over politics of fear. The official opposition party hold a seat (just) during an unpopular government’s reign and that’s “incredible”. Maybe you need to raise your standards just a bit. Given that in this constituency just two weeks ago the Brexit Party polled 38% whilst Labour managed just 17%, it is a fairly remarkable turnaround. Especially given the previous incumbent Labour MP was booted out of office for being a convicted criminal. This is a constituency that voted 60%+ to leave in the referendum. If the Brexit Party can't win a by-election here, they aren't going to win many. |
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Post by Derry Blue on Jun 7, 2019 19:15:47 GMT
The official opposition party hold a seat (just) during an unpopular government’s reign and that’s “incredible”. Maybe you need to raise your standards just a bit. Given that in this constituency just two weeks ago the Brexit Party polled 38% whilst Labour managed just 17%, it is a fairly remarkable turnaround. Especially given the previous incumbent Labour MP was booted out of office for being a convicted criminal. This is a constituency that voted 60%+ to leave in the referendum. If the Brexit Party can't win a by-election here, they aren't going to win many. I agree with you and it must have been a shock and disappointment for Farage & co. I believe he left by a back door when the result was announced. However, my original intervention still stands - an incredible win it was not! |
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Jun 8, 2019 20:35:39 GMT
Post by Lobster on Jun 8, 2019 20:35:39 GMT
A Labour MP is siding with those stupid tits protesting outside schools in Birmingham about LGBT being on the syllabus, even though he admits he hasn't read the material.
This is what I mean about that party being too divided. How can you have that sort of nonsense alongside what Corbyn represents?
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Jun 10, 2019 1:25:41 GMT
Post by everhopeful on Jun 10, 2019 1:25:41 GMT
Let's keep this on the topic - BREXIT, please.
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Jun 10, 2019 6:07:38 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Jun 10, 2019 6:07:38 GMT
Let's keep this on the topic - BREXIT, please. To be fair, it kind of is. The thread is not just about Brexit but also parties' response to it and how their wider behaviour shapes it. I'm making the point that Brexit has divided the nation and revealed how much division exists within the main two parties. The alternative is to start multiple threads every time there's a political issue to discuss. Maybe this should be renamed the 'Brexit and politics thread'? |
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Jun 10, 2019 6:14:35 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Jun 10, 2019 6:14:35 GMT
Let's keep this on the topic - BREXIT, please. To be fair, it kind of is. The thread is not just about Brexit but also parties' response to it and how their wider behaviour shapes it. I'm making the point that Brexit has divided the nation and revealed how much division exists within the main two parties. The alternative is to start multiple threads every time there's a political issue to discuss. Maybe this should be renamed the 'Brexit and politics thread'? Agree, please mods don't reduce this back to being a an unnecessarily over-moderated forum. |
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Jun 10, 2019 6:23:50 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 10, 2019 6:23:50 GMT
It’s obvious that Brexit is the sort of policy you devise when half your team are off their face on drugs.
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Jun 10, 2019 6:52:46 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Jun 10, 2019 6:52:46 GMT
It’s obvious that Brexit is the sort of policy you devise when half your team are off their face on drugs. Is it just me who thinks Gove is just saying this for a bit of well-timed publicity and 'street cred'? Remember that kid in school who was always bragging about all the drugs he did? In reality he couldn't handle a packet of sherbet without getting dizzy. |
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