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Oct 18, 2019 7:50:25 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Oct 18, 2019 7:50:25 GMT
As with May, it's a deal full of flaws. Depressingly, it's our best bet of resolving this impasse any time soon. The other ways out are either unpalatable or drag it out much longer:
Revoke article 50 - won't happen No deal departure - nobody with any sense wants that 2nd referendum - my preference but not enough apetite for it (yet) Request delay for more negotiation - more uncertainty
There's a danger I think that a desire to move forward may influence some MPs to vote for this tomorrow.
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Oct 18, 2019 8:18:28 GMT
Post by eyeswideopen on Oct 18, 2019 8:18:28 GMT
Do you hand on heart believe only one person tried to cheat. I don't believe everything I read but everybody had a chance to have an I. D card for a couple of quid but it was voted down if you work in n h s you no doubt wear a lanyard with an I d attached issued at no cost to you. This is common practice even in construction Forgive me if i have the wrong end of the stick here, but are you suggesting that a works pass with your photo on would suffice as formal identification in order to prove your identity?
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 18, 2019 8:34:03 GMT
Do you hand on heart believe only one person tried to cheat. I don't believe everything I read but everybody had a chance to have an I. D card for a couple of quid but it was voted down if you work in n h s you no doubt wear a lanyard with an I d attached issued at no cost to you. This is common practice even in construction Are you being deliberately obtuse? This isn’t about people with lanyards who work in the NHS or construction. It’s about 11 million people, mostly the poorest in society, who are to be denied a right to vote, unless they pay money they can ill-afford for photo I.D. they don’t normally require. This is voter suppression on a grotesque scale and something everyone should fight against.
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Oct 18, 2019 9:17:10 GMT
Post by Lobster on Oct 18, 2019 9:17:10 GMT
As with May, it's a deal full of flaws. Depressingly, it's our best bet of resolving this impasse any time soon. The other ways out are either unpalatable or drag it out much longer: Revoke article 50 - won't happen No deal departure - nobody with any sense wants that 2nd referendum - my preference but not enough apetite for it (yet)Request delay for more negotiation - more uncertainty There's a danger I think that a desire to move forward may influence some MPs to vote for this tomorrow.
I'm never really sure what people expect a second referendum to achieve, and whether they've fully considered the consequences. There would only be two possible outcomes. One is a narrow Leave victory again, which achieves nothing. The other is where the real fun begins - a narrow Remain victory. Somehow, I doubt the likes of Farage, Britain First, the EDL and "that uncle" we all have would happily accept that the will of the people now has overriden that of three years ago.
Unfortunately I think either outcome would only play into the hands of the far-right. I'm not sure what I would do if a second referendum were called. I might abstain.
My policy is basically "take the hit". Sometimes you've got to let people who play with matches get burned. The future will not look back on this period of British politics kindly at all.
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Oct 18, 2019 11:36:32 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 18, 2019 11:36:32 GMT
For me it has gone far past whether we remain or leave the EU, the most important thing is who is in Government and it’s crucial we elect a socialist Labour government.
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Oct 18, 2019 12:03:18 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Oct 18, 2019 12:03:18 GMT
I think the country has suffered enough SB!
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 18, 2019 12:19:34 GMT
I think the country has suffered enough SB! We’ve suffered precisely because we haven’t had a socialist government. Look at Portugal, who have recently re-elected the Socialist Party back into Government. The Socialists have halved the unemployment rate, created 270,000 new skilled jobs and have an economic growth rate that outstrips ours. Socialism works, Comrades.
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Oct 18, 2019 12:32:47 GMT
Post by Lobster on Oct 18, 2019 12:32:47 GMT
I agree if it is not used correctly it could be abused. I just feel that if you are looking for a certain person in an area it would be a great help I don't know if you saw the recent series. The capture it was about this very subject it showed the good and bad it probably needs more work but definitely got its good points Interestingly, it's in the news today that the new Google phone has facial recognition technology that can unlock your phone even if you have your eyes closed.
That means that in effect, you could hack a dead person's phone. Piers Morgan will be pleased!
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Oct 18, 2019 16:24:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 16:24:00 GMT
I'm trying to answer two posts in one. Firstly Ian h block moderator why do you resort to name calling wrapped up in words you think nobody will understand. Just for the racord I am not slow on the uptake I answered what I thought was an objection to I d cards. Not just NHS and construction but virtually every other job you can do will issue you with an I d badge. Every course you are set on you will get a card with your name and photo on. So what is the problem with this because we all have them. Secondly to lobster I see where your coming from with Google yes they have to much power to gain Imformation.this is why I always have refuse loyalty cards because it is just another way to find out what you buy and later bombard you with adverts. And finally what makes people believe these 11 million people would naturally vote remain or Labour. I say this because I think I have stumbled on a Labour propaganda site
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Oct 18, 2019 17:32:13 GMT
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Post by hevanan on Oct 18, 2019 17:32:13 GMT
Leave means Leave Boris has got us a great Brexit deal Lets get it done !!!!
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Oct 18, 2019 18:42:30 GMT
Post by Wortleyblue on Oct 18, 2019 18:42:30 GMT
Leave means Leave Boris has got us a great Brexit deal Lets get it done !!!! I have removed the libelous bit
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Oct 18, 2019 19:25:28 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 18, 2019 19:25:28 GMT
A healthy media would be educating us about the Brexit deal: its details, its economic and social impacts, its problems, what it means for you, your family, your community, your country.
With honourable exceptions, it’s been reduced to a parliamentary drama. What a travesty.
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Oct 19, 2019 7:44:15 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 19, 2019 7:44:15 GMT
The Tories saying “trust us” on a deal to protect workers rights is like a crocodile smiling and saying trust me, I won't rip you to pieces if you swim across my river. Stay far away from the water.
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Oct 19, 2019 8:02:29 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 8:02:29 GMT
Are these mps for real. Labour mp like the rest on 74k a year asking for expenses for child care because they have to sit on a saturday. Do what normal people do ask family or friends.
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Oct 19, 2019 8:09:02 GMT
Post by eyeswideopen on Oct 19, 2019 8:09:02 GMT
I'm trying to answer two posts in one. Firstly Ian h block moderator why do you resort to name calling wrapped up in words you think nobody will understand. Just for the racord I am not slow on the uptake I answered what I thought was an objection to I d cards. Not just NHS and construction but virtually every other job you can do will issue you with an I d badge. Every course you are set on you will get a card with your name and photo on. So what is the problem with this because we all have them. Secondly to lobster I see where your coming from with Google yes they have to much power to gain Imformation.this is why I always have refuse loyalty cards because it is just another way to find out what you buy and later bombard you with adverts. And finally what makes people believe these 11 million people would naturally vote remain or Labour. I say this because I think I have stumbled on a Labour propaganda site Any chance you can answer my question
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Oct 19, 2019 8:24:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 8:24:16 GMT
Sorry I haven't seen your question.
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Oct 19, 2019 8:34:04 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 8:34:04 GMT
Just found it. I was out all day yesterday. I think any kind of I d is better than none. It would simply allow allow a person to be electronically ticked off thereby ensuring the name is only used once. We must have the technology by now. Every body must have some sort of Id unless they have no fixed abode. So yes to answer your question if it ensures only one vote per person
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Oct 19, 2019 12:27:13 GMT
Post by eyeswideopen on Oct 19, 2019 12:27:13 GMT
Just found it. I was out all day yesterday. I think any kind of I d is better than none. It would simply allow allow a person to be electronically ticked off thereby ensuring the name is only used once. We must have the technology by now. Every body must have some sort of Id unless they have no fixed abode. So yes to answer your question if it ensures only one vote per person You do realise people are defrauding banks out of millions every year by copying identities, without even having a clue what the person looks like. Your idea of turning up with a bit of paper with a name and address on that is foolproof is to be kind, delusional.
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Oct 19, 2019 12:40:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 12:40:19 GMT
So how would you prevent fraud. Instead of calling me delusional pray give us your answer.
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 19, 2019 12:42:20 GMT
So how would you prevent fraud. Instead of calling me delusional pray give us your answer. What fraud? Show me the fraud.
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Oct 19, 2019 13:12:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 13:12:15 GMT
Do you honestly believe there is no fraud in elections we have block voting in certain areas. We have people who need to have somebody with them in the voting booth because they can not read or speak English. We had one Councillor who voted for himself twice because he thought he was allowed to. God I wish I had your faith in people it's life if it can be filled, it will be
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Oct 19, 2019 13:31:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 13:31:26 GMT
I meant fiddled predictive text
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 19, 2019 14:44:51 GMT
Do you honestly believe there is no fraud in elections we have block voting in certain areas. We have people who need to have somebody with them in the voting booth because they can not read or speak English. We had one Councillor who voted for himself twice because he thought he was allowed to. God I wish I had your faith in people it's life if it can be filled, it will be One conviction for voter fraud in 2017 says it isn’t a problem at all, so I don’t know where you’re getting your information from (although I can guess, especially as you are pointing the finger at non-English speakers). Mind you, as someone who has worked as a Presiding Officer in a Polling Station for every election in the past 25 years, the only people I’ve met who struggled to read the ballot papers were the Tommy Robinson enthusiasts at this year’s Euros.
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Oct 19, 2019 15:18:05 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 15:18:05 GMT
i am having difficulty posting information but just check google rochdale councilor votes twice for himself .there are are others but i bow to your superior knowledge at the moment as i am listening to the match
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Oct 19, 2019 16:23:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 16:23:12 GMT
by the way all opinions are my own i read. i listen.and i form an opinion.don't try to hang a tag on me .i just dont believe that because there was only one conviction it guarantees there are not others.brexit divides hence fifty odd pages on here.but who is right or wrong nobody knows .we all think we do but it's not possible because its all guess work.oh and i am happy with a point today
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Post by eyeswideopen on Oct 21, 2019 6:32:43 GMT
If there are any real election concerns for me, its how the current Prime Minister can be elected to power by less than 0.01 percent of the country. He has repeatedly lied in his past, his relationships with business women during his tenure as Mayor Of London are questionable and he continues to try and flout the law over Brexit, yet because there have been one or two isolated incidents of duplicate voting we seem to have a massive problem with vote rigging in this country? Lets get some perspective here.
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Oct 21, 2019 12:50:41 GMT
Post by iandychesterfc on Oct 21, 2019 12:50:41 GMT
This country sorely needs a General Election.
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Oct 21, 2019 16:43:35 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Oct 21, 2019 16:43:35 GMT
I see Bercow is having to point out to Johnson, as he did with May, that you can't just keep having parliamentary votes on the same thing.
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Oct 21, 2019 17:20:17 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Oct 21, 2019 17:20:17 GMT
This country sorely needs a General Election. The Government wants one in fairness, the opposition parties don't seem to be in a place to take them on.
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Post by Lobster on Oct 21, 2019 17:54:23 GMT
This country sorely needs a General Election. The Government wants one in fairness, the opposition parties don't seem to be in a place to take them on. The only reason Boris wants one is because he wants us out of the EU without a deal, and a GE might mean parliament isn't sitting to block it. Boris is a complete snake, and the opposition parties know that you can't trust him.
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