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Dec 12, 2019 21:44:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 21:44:23 GMT
You do avoid any questions you don't agree with. Not looking for an argument but we are all honest citizens. Or are we. like it or not it leaves a lot to be desired
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Dec 12, 2019 21:50:19 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 12, 2019 21:50:19 GMT
You do avoid any questions you don't agree with. Not looking for an argument but we are all honest citizens. Or are we. like it or not it leaves a lot to be desired One person convicted of electoral fraud at the last GE. Meanwhile BBC presenters are actively breaking the law on national television. |
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Dec 12, 2019 21:50:55 GMT
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Post by jb on Dec 12, 2019 21:50:55 GMT
Why’s that confusing? The bloke is a comedy genius and I don’t give a toss what party he affiliates with. Unfortunately for you, you clearly have massive prejudices against people (Tories, Travellers, Liverpool fans amongst others) who have differing ideologies and life style choices which makes you look a hate filled prejudicial individual. Quite sad and pathetic really. I’ve shown my love for Liverpool supporters this week, actually. Proper class bunch. You’ve clarified my point fully. |
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Dec 12, 2019 22:03:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 22:03:26 GMT
Exit poll forecasts tory 86 seat majority
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Dec 12, 2019 22:05:36 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Dec 12, 2019 22:05:36 GMT
Bollocks. They're not often wrong.
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Dec 12, 2019 22:06:28 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Dec 12, 2019 22:06:28 GMT
1992 - that's all I'll say!
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Dec 12, 2019 22:06:35 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 22:06:35 GMT
Big Tory majority predicted, going to be close for Chester, Alyn and Deeside and Wrexham.
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Dec 12, 2019 22:08:01 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 12, 2019 22:08:01 GMT
I just want children, the sick and disabled to not starve, but apparently the rest of the country doesn't give a fuck.
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Dec 12, 2019 22:09:56 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Dec 12, 2019 22:09:56 GMT
I just want children, the sick and disabled to not starve, but apparently the rest of the country doesn't give a fuck. Jeremy has been found out, if that's anywhere near accurate. |
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Dec 12, 2019 22:12:37 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 12, 2019 22:12:37 GMT
I just want children, the sick and disabled to not starve, but apparently the rest of the country doesn't give a fuck. Jeremy has been found out, if that's anywhere near accurate. Found out about what? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 22:14:05 GMT
He will resign or be forced out by the party, to be humiliated against a truly dreadful Tory party is awful.
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Dec 12, 2019 22:19:57 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 12, 2019 22:19:57 GMT
If he does stand down I would hope he is replaced by a fellow social democrat to continue this positive powerful movement. Labour has changed, and it’s changed for the better IMO. The war-mongering neoliberal Blair days can be consigned to the past.
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Dec 12, 2019 22:24:09 GMT
If he does stand down I would hope he is replaced by a fellow social democrat Why would Labour continue to commit electoral suicide? |
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Dec 12, 2019 22:30:37 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 12, 2019 22:30:37 GMT
If he does stand down I would hope he is replaced by a fellow social democrat Why would Labour continue to commit electoral suicide? The vast majority of the policies are hugely popular with the general public, in actual fact. The Tory bastards made this election a second Brexit referendum essentially and obviously Brexit won. |
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Dec 12, 2019 22:34:25 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Dec 12, 2019 22:34:25 GMT
Why would Labour continue to commit electoral suicide? The vast majority of the policies are hugely popular with the general public, in actual fact. The Tory bastards made this election a second Brexit referendum essentially and obviously Brexit won. IF this is anywhere near right, Labour are set for their worst result for ages. It's a big IF of course but nevertheless... |
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Post by jedthehumanoid on Dec 12, 2019 22:38:09 GMT
Deny it all you like but if the exit poll is anywhere near accurate it is a massive rejection of Labour's offering. I say that as a staunch supporter. Time to have a really deep evaluation of where we go from here.
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Dec 12, 2019 22:39:06 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 12, 2019 22:39:06 GMT
As I said the Tories have been successful in running this as Brexit Referendum II.
Anybody who thinks the government of the next five years will improve the NHS, schools, health and social care, public infrastructure and services needs a lobotomy.
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Dec 12, 2019 22:40:55 GMT
Deny it all you like but if the exit poll is anywhere near accurate it is a massive rejection of Labour's offering. I say that as a staunch supporter. Time to have a really deep evaluation of where we go from here. Some Labour sense on this thread, at last. |
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Dec 12, 2019 22:58:45 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 22:58:45 GMT
JC to resign tonight, John McDonnell in temp charge according to a few 'in the know'
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Dec 12, 2019 23:18:43 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 12, 2019 23:18:43 GMT
To those who will be made homeless in the next five years; those that will wait record times for operations; those that still won't own a home; those that continue their cycles of debt due to Universal Credit; students saddled with debt; those at risk in accommodation with Grenfell cladding; those with children in crumbling schools; those pushed into poverty by low pay; those who won't be able to get an ambulance; those who require the help of the Police: the centrists have let them down by demanding the leadership move away from the stance of respecting the 2016 referendum result.
A clear vote tonight that there is no appetite for centrist politics. The only thing the left are guilty of is allowing the Blairite “moderates” to change the agenda on Brexit. We’ll start to see the pundits rewriting history. Claiming that the manifesto was a problem. It wasn’t. What lost this election for Labour has been four years of backstabbing by right wing Labour MPs undermining the twice democratically elected leader. Jeremy Corbyn's instincts were to accept the referendum result. Once again, it looks like his instincts were correct. In 2017, Labour held on to most of their Leave voters. It now looks like they’ve lost them. Corbyn smashed May's majority and surged Labour's vote in 2017. Labour's leader didn't change - but its Brexit position did. Brexit has cost Labour tonight, not the Leader nor the manifesto.
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Dec 12, 2019 23:19:26 GMT
Post by Hannibal on Dec 12, 2019 23:19:26 GMT
Deny it all you like but if the exit poll is anywhere near accurate it is a massive rejection of Labour's offering. I say that as a staunch supporter. Time to have a really deep evaluation of where we go from here. Winding up Momentum would be a good start. |
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Dec 12, 2019 23:23:56 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Dec 12, 2019 23:23:56 GMT
I still support Corbyn personally, but if the exit poll is at all correct, then yes he has to go.
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Dec 12, 2019 23:28:37 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Dec 12, 2019 23:28:37 GMT
1-0 to Labour. Let's just call it a
day at Newcastle Central shall we?
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Dec 12, 2019 23:40:41 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 23:40:41 GMT
I still support Corbyn personally, but if the exit poll is at all correct, then yes he has to go. I agree, he's a principled individual and as such I respect him in many ways. But he's also a dreadful leader, and one who need to go ASAP. |
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Post by jb on Dec 12, 2019 23:50:15 GMT
1-0 to Labour. Let's just call it a day at Newcastle Central shall we? Labour seem to be taking a Chesteresque hiding at Blyth. |
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Post by Charlie Runkle on Dec 12, 2019 23:50:53 GMT
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Dec 13, 2019 2:15:47 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Dec 13, 2019 2:15:47 GMT
Early days but it's looking awful for Labour already.
I voted remain in 2016 and still hate Brexit. However, the attitude of Labour supporters in this election reminds me very much of that referendum.
Back in 2016, remainers thought they were winning the argument and that anyone who disagreed were either stupid or prejudiced or both! The self indulgent attitude of Corbynites has been very similar this time around. They've portrayed any opponent as lacking in any morals which, for me, is an appalling attitude to take. It's also slightly paradoxical if you think about Jeremy Corbyn.
If tonight does spell the end of the Corbyn vanity project then it can only be a good thing for the country and maybe we'll get an opposition capable of challenging Johnson.
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Dec 13, 2019 5:42:08 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 13, 2019 5:42:08 GMT
“Corbynism” isn’t a thing. It’s called socialism. And the movement has only just begun, the policies are hugely popular with the public. But the move the Labour leadership made to appease the Blairites in the party over Brexit has cost them. Jeremy Corbyn’s position on Brexit has been vindicated, he’s just “too” democratic and allowed too much compromise. In 2017, Corbyn was leader, the manifesto was radical, the position on Brexit was to respect the referendum, Labour wiped out a Tory majority. In 2019, Corbyn was leader, the manifesto was radical, the position on Brexit was changed to have a second referendum, there’s now a Thatcherite majority. Let’s not kid ourselves with what the real issue is here.
We go again but I’m genuinely concerned about the direction this country is going to take over the next five years of NHS sell-off, the stripping of our rights and the Trojan horse of a facist authoritarian anti-environment government. I expect a further rise in hate crimes against ethnic minorities and the disabled, an even sharper rise in homelessness and families struggling to get by, schools facing closure and bus services further reduced, fracking on the rise and an unsafe environment. As a disabled public service worker with three children in/to be in our local village state school I fear for my family’s future.
Thank god the people of Chester can see this. The people of Wrexham, well we always knew they were a backwards weird lot. Boris Johnson will have nobody else to blame when Brexit all goes wrong. It’s his thing now, it’s on his watch. The Tories are set up for a massive fall in six months when the people wake up and realise they are doing nothing about any of the problems that really exist.
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Dec 13, 2019 6:39:55 GMT
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Post by jedthehumanoid on Dec 13, 2019 6:39:55 GMT
Keep telling yourself that the policies are popular, the trouncing we just took says otherwise and it's not all Brexit. Now we go about trying to make the party electable again. Time to put serious, sensible people on the Labour front bench that represent the whole of the party across the country. I like Corbyn but it's time he goes back to the back benches and concentrates on the good work he does for his constituents. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire shadow cabinet changes bar one or two.
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Dec 13, 2019 6:59:52 GMT
Post by Lobster on Dec 13, 2019 6:59:52 GMT
The scrutiny is all on Corbyn, but really the story of this election is Boris Johnson. I hate to praise him, but the way he has masterminded his way to the top is as incredible as it is disturbing. The man has more or less single-handedly turned the Conservative into a party working classic, former mining towns will vote for.
You can sum his timeline up as follows:
- Generally bumble about on the periphery of the party for years, appearing in the public eye regularly. Gain a reputation as an oafish but witty, eccentric toff. Become Mayor of London on the back of this.
- Find an issue that divides the party and will gain support within working class communities - something that plays on their insecurities and gives the impression that it's foreigners and Brussels bureaucracy to blame for the way their towns are. Thus, Brexit was born.
- Win the Brexit vote, but don't take the reins yet, while it's still raw and messy. Let some other sap deal with it.
- Heckle from the sidelines as Brexit turns into a shitshow. Three years on, we're still no further down the line and everyone fed up. Now's his time.
- Lie, smear and hide where necessary. Come up with a campaign that appeals to everyone's sense of frustration over Brexit, whether they voted leave or remain.'Get Brexit Done' will do - it appeals to people who both want it, and those who dread it but just want it over.
It's deceitful, nasty and dishonest, but this is an intelligent, calculating man who is always thinking several moves ahead.
Corbyn's position is now untenable, but to put this entire result down to him is a cop out in my opinion. The fact is that Britain, like America, is now firmly in the grip of the populist right. The question now has to be - how best do we tackle this?
I've woken up this morning relieved to some extent that it hasn't been quite as bad as the exit poll suggested, and at least the Wirral and Chester have stayed red.
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