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Post by Lobster on Dec 14, 2017 17:51:37 GMT
What do people think about the Welsh FA boss stating that the next Wales boss will be "definitely not English"?
I'm not losing any sleep over it, but it does make me wonder what other job is it acceptable to not only say that you prefer a certain nationality, but that you are specifically ruling out applicants of another certain nationality?
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Dec 14, 2017 18:05:40 GMT
Isn't that what the FA have been doing since their Scolari attempt and Capello experiment?
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Post by Wortleyblue on Dec 14, 2017 19:29:21 GMT
Thats definitely racist and they should be prosecuted
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Post by rjshbdhmtrm on Dec 14, 2017 20:02:26 GMT
Scandellous attitude . . . Just leave them alone and let them get on with looking for English players whose grandma bought a Kiss Me Quick hat in Barmouth or a great aunt who has an English off-spring who ate a slice of Barabrith Loaf at a tea house in Merthyr Tydfil in 1952. Joke nation
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Post by marner93 on Dec 14, 2017 20:28:35 GMT
Quite happy to have English players though aren't they, fuck 'em, like the Jocks I wish misery and failure upon them.
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Post by Harry Lime on Dec 14, 2017 21:01:57 GMT
Problem with the Welsh is that they don't think it's racist.
If the English FA said their manager definitely wouldn't be Welsh, they would report us! Remember when Swansea complained that the English Premier League re-branding was racist?
It's an acceptable anti English stance in their view. The Scots are the same.
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Post by Poe1974 on Dec 14, 2017 21:07:12 GMT
Problem with the Welsh is that they don't think it's racist. If the English FA said their manager definitely wouldn't be Welsh, they would report us! Remember when Swansea complained that the English Premier League re-branding was racist? It's an acceptable anti English stance in their view. The Scots are the same. Totally agree with this. Had the English FA said they won't employ a Welsh manager, there would be uproar. Blatant racism imo
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Post by chislenko on Dec 14, 2017 23:55:53 GMT
Don't wish to burst all your bubbles but the bloke who said it, Johnathon Ford is English. The Welsh F A suits / cronies who are all Welsh have actually disciplined him about it.
However don't let facts get in the way of calling the Welsh eh!
With regards to a Welsh manager and England the guy who was in charge of your young team (under 17 was it) who just won a world cup was Welsh, he is the son of former referee Keith Cooper, older fans will remember him.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Dec 15, 2017 7:03:43 GMT
Also England's most successful women's manager was Welsh. Ousted from his job by a whinging attention-seeker who wasn't getting picked.
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Post by Lobster on Dec 15, 2017 9:17:52 GMT
Not really a surprise that the thread has turned into Wales and England bashing, but that wasn't really what I was trying to do!
I just thought it was a pretty poor comment from this Ford guy. It wasn't exactly a throwaway comment either - he said he'd heard someone else say it and repeated it. Not great to publicly single out a nationality like that.
I do think every country should ideally have a manager of that nationality, just for national pride and familiarity with the players and set-up. To be fair, Wales seems to manage to appoint home-grown managers pretty well and it's a little embarrassing that a nation the size of England struggles to. But if a manager is successful, people will soon forget where he's from, like Serbians probably forget that their all time top scorer was born in Bosnia, and Manchester United fans forget theirs is a Scouser.
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Post by Harry Lime on Dec 15, 2017 9:20:15 GMT
Don't wish to burst all your bubbles but the bloke who said it, Johnathon Ford is English. The Welsh F A suits / cronies who are all Welsh have actually disciplined him about it. However don't let facts get in the way of calling the Welsh eh! With regards to a Welsh manager and England the guy who was in charge of your young team (under 17 was it) who just won a world cup was Welsh, he is the son of former referee Keith Cooper, older fans will remember him. He probably said it to impress his employers, or as a badly made joke. Probably both. It doesn't change the fact that a very large proportion of the homebred North Wales population, are inherently racist. It's part of their culture. These communities haven't moved quite as quickly as the rest of the country. It's a sad fact. But true. Similar to how some English northern towns haven't moved as quickly as the big more cosmopolitan cities. Culture takes longer than a generation to change usually.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 9:45:53 GMT
How can it be racist? English isn’t a race, its an ethnicity and nationality.
That being said, I wouldn’t care if the next wales manager is a gender fluid unicorn as long as he/she/it is successful.
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Post by Imperial on Dec 15, 2017 9:57:39 GMT
I agree, it’s not acceptable to rule a nationality out but it’d be xenophobic rather than racism I’d have thought. Though it does seem daft to accuse someone of xenophobia to their fellow countrymen. Maybe we need a new -ism?
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Post by Derry Blue on Dec 15, 2017 9:59:48 GMT
How can it be racist? English isn’t a race, its an ethnicity and nationality. That being said, I wouldn’t care if the next wales manager is a gender fluid unicorn as long as he/she/it is successful. Nit picker.
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Post by zipper on Dec 15, 2017 10:24:31 GMT
It is no wonder this country is in such a state when people react to a comment like that,i am glad he made the remark because it will save time on any pathetic English manager applying for the job, Megson,Rednapp,Mcclaren,Grayson just a couple to name who would be begging for a job,No english manager please most are corrupt or crap.
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Post by henry on Dec 15, 2017 10:47:29 GMT
A couple of years ago an Englishman was taken to court in Wales For calling a Welshman a taff, as it was said be racist. The case was dismissed
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Post by MOC on Dec 15, 2017 10:57:17 GMT
It is no wonder this country is in such a state when people react to a comment like that,i am glad he made the remark because it will save time on any pathetic English manager applying for the job, Megson,Rednapp,Mcclaren,Grayson just a couple to name who would be begging for a job,No english manager please most are corrupt or crap. Why don’t you reappoint Bobby Gould after he did such a magnificent job last time?!
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Post by bing on Dec 15, 2017 11:03:48 GMT
Just another case of saying something monumentally daft to curry favour with fans.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Dec 15, 2017 12:16:38 GMT
How can it be racist? English isn’t a race, its an ethnicity and nationality. That being said, I wouldn’t care if the next wales manager is a gender fluid unicorn as long as he/she/it is successful. Islam isn't a race but try and say I'm not employing an Islam and see if you don't get prosecuted for racism
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Dec 15, 2017 12:21:06 GMT
How can it be racist? English isn’t a race, its an ethnicity and nationality. That being said, I wouldn’t care if the next wales manager is a gender fluid unicorn as long as he/she/it is successful. Islam isn't a race but try and say I'm not employing an Islam and see if you don't get prosecuted for racism Why didn't you say Christianity or Buddhism to illustrate your point?
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Post by technicolordreamgoat on Dec 15, 2017 12:35:37 GMT
Disgraceful attitude - it simply wouldn't be tolerated if any other nationality was inserted instead of English
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Post by Wortleyblue on Dec 15, 2017 12:43:12 GMT
Islam isn't a race but try and say I'm not employing an Islam and see if you don't get prosecuted for racism Why didn't you say Christianity or Buddhism to illustrate your point? Christianity Buddhism Hindu Sikh Rastafarian Catholicism insert what you like the point is the same
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Dec 15, 2017 12:55:39 GMT
Why didn't you say Christianity or Buddhism to illustrate your point? Christianity Buddhism Hindu Sikh Rastafarian Catholicism insert what you like the point is the same I know what you mean, just interested to know why you chose the particular faith you did that's all.
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Post by Lobster on Dec 15, 2017 14:38:44 GMT
How can it be racist? English isn’t a race, its an ethnicity and nationality. That being said, I wouldn’t care if the next wales manager is a gender fluid unicorn as long as he/she/it is successful. Islam isn't a race but try and say I'm not employing an Islam and see if you don't get prosecuted for racism I imagine you would be prosecuted for Racist and Religious Hate Crimes, so it is acknowledged that race and religion are different things, but discrimination of either should be dealt with in a similar way. Though it's technically correct that English, Muslim etc. is not a race, I always think it comes across as a bit of a silly semantic quibble when people point it out. Just don't be a d*ck to people who are different to you, and you won't get called a racist.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Dec 15, 2017 14:41:05 GMT
Christianity Buddhism Hindu Sikh Rastafarian Catholicism insert what you like the point is the same I know what you mean, just interested to know why you chose the particular faith you did that's all. No particular reason at all. I actually have a number of friends that follow that religion it was just a random call
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Post by rcb on Dec 15, 2017 14:57:17 GMT
Here we go again. Surely any correct test of a COUNTRY’S ability in a sport is only a valid and proper test if all concerned in the performance is representative of that country alone, and that should include all coaching and management members. Accordingly, the statement that the successful candidate should be Welsh seems very obvious. It is, in my opinion, all the other countries who include staff not representative of that country who are wrong, and I include all sports. It is inappropriate to compare such a job with that of any other profession because of the “measure” component. i.e. How good are Wales at football? The concept of having the four home countries as seperate teams is somewhat unique in world sport as participants are not passport holders of that country, simply because such passports don’t exist. The Olympics recognise this and only admit “Great Britain and Northern Ireland” as a combined team, as recognised by their passports. Surely being English, Welsh, Scottish, or Northern Irish has a deeper and historical meaning than merely being British, otherwise why do they exist? Ancestral lineage seems appropriate, so why criticise someone who has a Welsh grandparent for example? Stepping off a plane or boat from a far off place with no heritage whatsoever to a country, thereafter gaining British citizenship surely only makes them “British”’ not Welsh or English? In such regard the worst country for such “adoption” is England as it has by far the highest level of immigration. Using the United Nations as the benchmark please note that none of the four home countries are members, simply because they are Countries, not Nations.
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Post by bing on Dec 15, 2017 15:15:08 GMT
Here we go again. Surely any correct test of a COUNTRY’S ability in a sport is only a valid and proper test if all concerned in the performance is representative of that country alone, and that should include all coaching and management members. Accordingly, the statement that the successful candidate should be Welsh seems very obvious. It is, in my opinion, all the other countries who include staff not representative of that country who are wrong, and I include all sports. It is inappropriate to compare such a job with that of any other profession because of the “measure” component. i.e. How good are Wales at football? The concept of having the four home countries as seperate teams is somewhat unique in world sport as participants are not passport holders of that country, simply because such passports don’t exist. The Olympics recognise this and only admit “Great Britain and Northern Ireland” as a combined team, as recognised by their passports. Surely being English, Welsh, Scottish, or Northern Irish has a deeper and historical meaning than merely being British, otherwise why do they exist? Ancestral lineage seems appropriate, so why criticise someone who has a Welsh grandparent for example? Stepping off a plane or boat from a far off place with no heritage whatsoever to a country, thereafter gaining British citizenship surely only makes them “British”’ not Welsh or English? In such regard the worst country for such “adoption” is England as it has by far the highest level of immigration. Using the United Nations as the benchmark please note that none of the four home countries are members, simply because they are Countries, not Nations. You make a very good point - it would certainly make it more indicative of the Country is supporting the sport, rather than just hiring in the top coaches. However, I don't think for one moment that this argument was at the forefront of his mind - he was just trying to score some popularity points by having a go at the English!
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Post by avfo on Dec 15, 2017 15:35:37 GMT
Here we go again. Surely any correct test of a COUNTRY’S ability in a sport is only a valid and proper test if all concerned in the performance is representative of that country alone, and that should include all coaching and management members. Accordingly, the statement that the successful candidate should be Welsh seems very obvious. It is, in my opinion, all the other countries who include staff not representative of that country who are wrong, and I include all sports. It is inappropriate to compare such a job with that of any other profession because of the “measure” component. i.e. How good are Wales at football? The concept of having the four home countries as seperate teams is somewhat unique in world sport as participants are not passport holders of that country, simply because such passports don’t exist. The Olympics recognise this and only admit “Great Britain and Northern Ireland” as a combined team, as recognised by their passports. Surely being English, Welsh, Scottish, or Northern Irish has a deeper and historical meaning than merely being British, otherwise why do they exist? Ancestral lineage seems appropriate, so why criticise someone who has a Welsh grandparent for example? Stepping off a plane or boat from a far off place with no heritage whatsoever to a country, thereafter gaining British citizenship surely only makes them “British”’ not Welsh or English? In such regard the worst country for such “adoption” is England as it has by far the highest level of immigration. Using the United Nations as the benchmark please note that none of the four home countries are members, simply because they are Countries, not Nations. The statement made by Mr Ford was "'Welsh most definitely, foreign possibly, but definitely not English."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 15:47:10 GMT
Modern society for you in all honesty, I’m not defending racism at all (which this isn’t in my opinion). But if this comment was made 10 years ago no one would of even commented, probably would of got laughed off and forgotten about. These days people love to be offended by something. An entitled generation of offended cretins.
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Post by avfo on Dec 15, 2017 16:12:46 GMT
Modern society for you in all honesty, I’m not defending racism at all (which this isn’t in my opinion). But if this comment was made 10 years ago no one would of even commented, probably would of got laughed off and forgotten about. These days people love to be offended by something. An entitled generation of offended cretins. The most ridiculous example I've come across was actually more than 10 years ago. A guy was found guilty of acting in a racially aggravated manner and fined £750 because he used the term 'boyo' in a row with guy who happened to be Welsh.
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