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Post by Johnnybling on Feb 13, 2017 21:50:49 GMT
Will be really interesting to see what our squad looks like next season, given Roberts, Vasell, Lloyd, Hughes, Alabi, Joyce, O'Brien all likely not to be us realistically, and with the likes of Killock Chappel and Richards not really doing much this season I think JM will have a busy summer come May. Try and pick a 11 with the remainder and you will struggle, Hope to see Some more youth game time once were at the 50 point stage. Thoughts....
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Post by Rio Doherty on Feb 13, 2017 21:55:01 GMT
He should start his planning now. We are not going to relegated and probably won't get promoted so it would be sensible to start to think now.
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Post by Cestrian For Life on Feb 13, 2017 22:19:37 GMT
It will be interesting to see what Macca can do. He is pretty much untested in the area of recruitment. It's admirable that he wants to make the best of what he's got but it almost appears at times that he has no idea how to find a player. Not sure how much of that is him and how much is the very tight purse strings of the financial controllers at the Club. I guess we will find out at the end of this season.
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Post by Gandalf on Feb 13, 2017 22:19:58 GMT
I would imagine there will be a lot more players who would see us as an attractive club for them as we're starting to become a club who can give players regular playing time and get them noticed by clubs higher up the pyramid if they perform well. I'd be interested to see what happens with Mahon, he's improved a little more of late but still not to the same levels as he did in the past 2 seasons. Killock might go if he gets another injury, and I think we can find better in the centre of midfield George has had his problems this season and Joyce might be better suited to Confernce north football
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Post by whopper1 on Feb 13, 2017 22:33:54 GMT
With alabi and Hughes sure to go and all the loan players,were going to need a hell of alot of new players, with no money to spend we will be left with crap,definitely relegation next season especially if money bags fylde and ebbsfleet come up because they won't go back down, will be an interesting summer
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Post by Lobster on Feb 13, 2017 22:50:37 GMT
With alabi and Hughes sure to go and all the loan players,were going to need a hell of alot of new players, with no money to spend we will be left with crap,definitely relegation next season especially if money bags fylde and ebbsfleet come up because they won't go back down, will be an interesting summer People thought that last summer, when we lost our 'three best players'. In reality we've been a better team than last season. There's always good players out there and it's just a case of finding them, like we did with Heneghan, Hannah, Hughes, Alabi and so on. |
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Post by Shrewd Blue on Feb 13, 2017 22:57:42 GMT
Lynch, Astles, Hudson, Horwood, Hunt, Waters, Mahon, Durrell, Shaw, Akintunde
This is who I think we should keep. Obviously I want Alabi and Hughes here but there's no chance of that.
Would offer Lloyd a deal too if he is out of contract at Port Vale.
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Post by Dodge on Feb 14, 2017 10:10:35 GMT
Will be really interesting to see what our squad looks like next season, given Roberts, Vasell, Lloyd, Hughes, Alabi, Joyce, O'Brien all likely not to be us realistically, and with the likes of Killock Chappel and Richards not really doing much this season I think JM will have a busy summer come May. Try and pick a 11 with the remainder and you will struggle, Hope to see Some more youth game time once were at the 50 point stage. Thoughts.... Interesting that you've started posting again. I remember after the loss at Barrow you were calling for Macca to be sacked then you went quiet during the good run. I think once we're safe and we get out of this poor run Macca we need to see some squad rotation (not square pegs in round holes like Saturday, however) and start making judgements about who stays. Killock needs game time over Vassell, Lynch needs game time over Roberts, get Richards up front and give Mahon and Chapell some minutes. |
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Post by Al on Feb 14, 2017 10:18:31 GMT
Our business needs to be done as soon as possible.
Let's look at the other sides in League Two fighting relegation and the Conference North vying for promotion.
We could yet end up with Crewe Alex, Tranmere, Wrexham, Fylde, Salford, Southport, and Macclesfield in the Conference next season.
It's a very large number of clubs all within travelling distance of us. If we fail to do our business early then we could really be struggling to attract anyone of sufficient calibre to the squad next season and also lose a number of this years current squad to one or more of the above mentioned sides. Preparation is everything, if we fail to get contract offers on the table for the majority of this years side then we could end up looking around the Welsh Premier League club retained lists for bargain basement freebies.
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Post by Anders on Feb 14, 2017 11:05:01 GMT
Our business needs to be done as soon as possible. Let's look at the other sides in League Two fighting relegation and the Conference North vying for promotion. We could yet end up with Crewe Alex, Tranmere, Wrexham, Fylde, Salford, Southport, and Macclesfield in the Conference next season. It's a very large number of clubs all within travelling distance of us. If we fail to do our business early then we could really be struggling to attract anyone of sufficient calibre to the squad next season and also lose a number of this years current squad to one or more of the above mentioned sides. Preparation is everything, if we fail to get contract offers on the table for the majority of this years side then we could end up looking around the Welsh Premier League club retained lists for bargain basement freebies. I don't think it's a necessity to get your business done early, that was Wrexham's mistake last summer. Sometimes if you move too early you can miss out on what becomes available later on. I do think we need a clearer idea and plan on what's needed earlier this summer though. The contract dealings with Hunt and Higgins were a joke last year, we didn't actually know we needed a right or left back for ages. |
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Post by iandychesterfc on Feb 14, 2017 13:48:27 GMT
This isn't a dig, but who would you say is Macca's best signing?
Bear in mind the likes of Astles, Hughes, Shaw, Alabi etc were already here.
Macca's signings are
Durrell
Hudson
Horwood
Killock
Akintunde
Lynch (probably wins)
Marsh
I think Big Si said it elsewhere, there's still a question mark over recruitment for Macca and i think he's missing Sharps.
Hughes can go plenty on cover for that, but Alabi is the one, he's going to take some replacing.
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Post by Johnnybling on Feb 14, 2017 13:54:19 GMT
Will be really interesting to see what our squad looks like next season, given Roberts, Vasell, Lloyd, Hughes, Alabi, Joyce, O'Brien all likely not to be us realistically, and with the likes of Killock Chappel and Richards not really doing much this season I think JM will have a busy summer come May. Try and pick a 11 with the remainder and you will struggle, Hope to see Some more youth game time once were at the 50 point stage. Thoughts.... Interesting that you've started posting again. I remember after the loss at Barrow you were calling for Macca to be sacked then you went quiet during the good run. I think once we're safe and we get out of this poor run Macca we need to see some squad rotation (not square pegs in round holes like Saturday, however) and start making judgements about who stays. Killock needs game time over Vassell, Lynch needs game time over Roberts, get Richards up front and give Mahon and Chapell some minutes. Dodge you have a very good memory! I was a little embarrassed at myself calling for JM to go and realised that JM is actually a very good manager. His skills will certainly be tested in the summer |
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Post by dmcnally on Feb 14, 2017 13:56:53 GMT
With alabi and Hughes sure to go and all the loan players,were going to need a hell of alot of new players, with no money to spend we will be left with crap,definitely relegation next season especially if money bags fylde and ebbsfleet come up because they won't go back down, will be an interesting summer Hahahahaha. Plenty of games to go this season (and doing very well overall) and you are already saying we are relegated next season!! Seen it all now!..... |
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Post by devablue on Feb 14, 2017 14:06:19 GMT
The issue with favouring the tribunal for Sam Hughes over accepting the bid from Barnsley in January is that it's now harder to plan the transfer budget in the summer.
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Post by Johnnybling on Feb 14, 2017 14:12:33 GMT
I think we will budget circa 75k -100k for Sam Hughes might be wrong but won't be a million miles off. He is an asset and the CEO said on Saturday the club know his value and won't sell for less than that.
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Post by raymondsiddal66 on Feb 14, 2017 14:26:19 GMT
Get Danny Collins back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Al on Feb 14, 2017 14:30:14 GMT
With alabi and Hughes sure to go and all the loan players,were going to need a hell of alot of new players, with no money to spend we will be left with crap,definitely relegation next season especially if money bags fylde and ebbsfleet come up because they won't go back down, will be an interesting summer Hahahahaha. Plenty of games to go this season (and doing very well overall) and you are already saying we are relegated next season!! Seen it all now!..... It's a downside from having the success that we have had this season and with our players all being on 44 week contracts. Once that final whistle blows after our final game - all the players are out of contract. All of them, and all of them are free to speak to clubs about getting a deal elsewhere.
From the season we've had I would expect a large number of our squad - particularly our spine - to depart. That will be Astles, Hughes, Hunt, Shaw, Lloyd, Lynch, and Alabi. If we lose all 7 of those players come the end of the season it will need something special from Macca to bring in suitable replacements.
Then we have the added possibility of Crewe Alex coming down, along with having Tranmere, Wrexham, Macclesfield, Southport, Fylde and Salford in the Conference next season. Suddenly we're battling with even more sides, all running on budgets more than double our own, all offering players double what our highest earners are on.
How can we compete - long term - at this level when the goalposts continually shift year on year?
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Post by Dodge on Feb 14, 2017 14:54:29 GMT
Interesting that you've started posting again. I remember after the loss at Barrow you were calling for Macca to be sacked then you went quiet during the good run. I think once we're safe and we get out of this poor run Macca we need to see some squad rotation (not square pegs in round holes like Saturday, however) and start making judgements about who stays. Killock needs game time over Vassell, Lynch needs game time over Roberts, get Richards up front and give Mahon and Chapell some minutes. Dodge you have a very good memory! I was a little embarrassed at myself calling for JM to go and realised that JM is actually a very good manager. His skills will certainly be tested in the summer Fair enough, just with you "liking" whopper's comment about certain relegation next season I made an assumption you were still of that opinion. I agree he has proven himself to be a very good man manager, but His recruiting skills will be tested in the Summer. By my making his recruits are:- Durrell Akintunde Horwood Joyce Killock Vassell Marsh Given the injuries to a few of those players it's hard to make a proper assessment of his ability to recruit players, but as it stands the standout players this season have all been Burr recruits. |
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Post by Al on Feb 14, 2017 14:58:06 GMT
^You missed off Lynch, and Hudson from that list
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Post by Coybs on Feb 14, 2017 15:56:00 GMT
according to the bleader macca has started talks with some of the players
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Post by sqzl on Feb 14, 2017 16:11:26 GMT
I'd keep - Lynch, Astles, Hudson, Hunt, Vassell (back on loan), Shaw, Mahon, Lloyd (unlikely possible), Richards, Alabi (v.unlikely) and Sam Hughes (v.unlikely), Waters maybe.
Bin - Chappell, George, Joyce, Durrell, Horwood (suspect high earner), Killock & Marsh.
Unsure - Akintunde....depending on wages he could be worth keeping but shame about his injury problems and lack of action thus far.
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Post by Arrogant Blue on Feb 14, 2017 16:26:19 GMT
I'd keep - Lynch, Astles, Hudson, Hunt, Vassell (back on loan), Shaw, Mahon, Lloyd (unlikely possible), Richards, Alabi (v.unlikely) and Sam Hughes (v.unlikely), Waters maybe. Bin - Chappell, George, Joyce, Durrell, Horwood (suspect high earner), Killock & Marsh. Unsure - Akintunde....depending on wages he could be worth keeping but shame about his injury problems and lack of action thus far. Agree with every single one those apart from Richards. However, I would invite Killock back to pre-season to see if he can prove his fitness. First out of the door for me would be Durrell. Has anyone seen him actually try and make a tackle. Makes Rooney look like Pirlo! |
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Post by sqzl on Feb 14, 2017 16:42:04 GMT
I'd keep - Lynch, Astles, Hudson, Hunt, Vassell (back on loan), Shaw, Mahon, Lloyd (unlikely possible), Richards, Alabi (v.unlikely) and Sam Hughes (v.unlikely), Waters maybe. Bin - Chappell, George, Joyce, Durrell, Horwood (suspect high earner), Killock & Marsh. Unsure - Akintunde....depending on wages he could be worth keeping but shame about his injury problems and lack of action thus far. Agree with every single one those apart from Richards. However, I would invite Killock back to pre-season to see if he can prove his fitness. First out of the door for me would be Durrell. Has anyone seen him actually try and make a tackle. Makes Rooney look like Pirlo! My reason for Keeping Richards was a simple one, he's young, can offer another dimension with pace in behind defenders and won't be on big money here. He's a developing young player and we don;t have much pace in the squad, he;s frightened some defences this season, just not consistent enough....but for budget i'd keep him as he'll bag us 10-15 goals i think. |
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Post by Johnnybling on Feb 14, 2017 18:05:39 GMT
Dodge you have a very good memory! I was a little embarrassed at myself calling for JM to go and realised that JM is actually a very good manager. His skills will certainly be tested in the summer Fair enough, just with you "liking" whopper's comment about certain relegation next season I made an assumption you were still of that opinion. I agree he has proven himself to be a very good man manager, but His recruiting skills will be tested in the Summer. By my making his recruits are:- Durrell Akintunde Horwood Joyce Killock Vassell Marsh Given the injuries to a few of those players it's hard to make a proper assessment of his ability to recruit players, but as it stands the standout players this season have all been Burr recruits. Haha still trying to get to grips with the deva chat I was referring to Gandalf s comments above 😂Your right though Can not judge JM on his recruitment as been limited signings so far, with Lynch being the obvious success. |
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Post by stangandy on Feb 14, 2017 18:14:02 GMT
I agree Anders - I posted a while ago in 'the other place' - heard a great feature on the podcast 'This American Life' (fantastic podcast) about American Football - ok its not proper football.... but someone did some really scientific work on the relative value of players picked first compared to those picked later on - the ones later on really performed much better for far less wages. At our level its always going to be about gambling on a player who has underperformed or developing our own. We have to accept that not every one is going to make the grade.
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Post by agl on Feb 14, 2017 19:56:59 GMT
I'd keep - Lynch, Astles, Hudson, Hunt, Vassell (back on loan), Shaw, Mahon, Lloyd (unlikely possible), Richards, Alabi (v.unlikely) and Sam Hughes (v.unlikely), Waters maybe. Bin - Chappell, George, Joyce, Durrell, Horwood (suspect high earner), Killock & Marsh. Unsure - Akintunde....depending on wages he could be worth keeping but shame about his injury problems and lack of action thus far. Agree with every single one those apart from Richards. However, I would invite Killock back to pre-season to see if he can prove his fitness. First out of the door for me would be Durrell. Has anyone seen him actually try and make a tackle. Makes Rooney look like Pirlo! I don't get all the anti Durrell stuff. OK! He's inconsistent but he's our only creative player. He's not here to tackle...plenty of them around. Assume you weren't at Borehamwood? |
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Post by ivorbigblue1 on Feb 14, 2017 21:14:00 GMT
I think a few people on here will be a bit surprised with who Macca keeps or tried to keep.
Lets be honest, it will be very much dictated by budget rather than who we want.
Think Back to Hannah, he was the biggest earned last season yet he was able to double his money going to Barrow and spent
most of the season on the bench.
I think most of players like Macca as a manager and those who don't get offers from higher division will want to stay and try and push on.
Alabi, Hughes and Lloyd will go to better things, Joyce, Durrell, Horwood and Marsh might have to drop down. I think some of those left might
get offers from AFC Fylde or Macc. Therefore John will have a tough job in the summer building a squad that can compete again next year on our budget.
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Post by devablue on Feb 14, 2017 22:15:40 GMT
I think a few people on here will be a bit surprised with who Macca keeps or tried to keep. Lets be honest, it will be very much dictated by budget rather than who we want. Think Back to Hannah, he was the biggest earned last season yet he was able to double his money going to Barrow and spent most of the season on the bench. I think most of players like Macca as a manager and those who don't get offers from higher division will want to stay and try and push on. Alabi, Hughes and Lloyd will go to better things, Joyce, Durrell, Horwood and Marsh might have to drop down. I think some of those left might get offers from AFC Fylde or Macc. Therefore John will have a tough job in the summer building a squad that can compete again next year on our budget. I'd keep Durrell and drop Richards. Would also keep Horwood as he offers good experience which we don't have much of. I've not seen much at all of Killock and if he's not fit by the end of his contract I think he'd have to go. I also think i'd let go of George and Joyce too, but I don't think McCarthy will let many go at all. In-fact I would be surprised if he didn't extend to contracts of 80%+ of the squad. |
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Post by soulseal on Feb 15, 2017 0:29:29 GMT
I would keep from the current squad:
Lynch
Hunt
Astles
Hudson
Waters
Shaw
Durrell
Akintunde
Richards
Mahon
possibly consider Horwood and Killock, subject to fitness, but unlikely to keep
am optimistic we can get Lloyd, and assume Alabi and Hughes will go.
losing George, Joyce is not problematic, losing Vassell and Roberts more so.
Gives room in the squad for another goalie, right back, Centre-half, two central midfielders, two forwards of which 2 or 3 should be season long loans.
doesnt seem disasterous, provided the new players are all 1st XI quality from the start.
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Post by soulseal on Feb 15, 2017 0:30:14 GMT
Astles twice, lol there's a wish
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