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Post by bluboy79 on Dec 27, 2017 19:27:32 GMT
I have no idea where this deal is up to but surely this is something that has to be put to the membership ! No one person has the power to cut this deal surely !
We shouldn't be selling off any part of the car park or land , once done it will be gone forever all in exchange for a one off lump sum !
We've had assets taken in the past, we don't have much but what little we do have needs to be retained.
If stagecoach want the land that bad build us a new stadium or bog off !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 19:33:16 GMT
To be honest, I don't know anything concrete about the potential benefits to us. All I know is that Stagcoach want to park some buses in our car park.
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Post by Hannibal on Dec 27, 2017 19:36:59 GMT
I have no idea where this deal is up to but surely this is something that has to be put to the membership ! No one person has the power to cut this deal surely ! We shouldn't be selling off any part of the car park or land , once done it will be gone forever all in exchange for a one off lump sum ! We've had assets taken in the past, we don't have much but what little we do have needs to be retained. If stagecoach want the land that bad build us a new stadium or bog off ! It's not ours to sell anyway. |
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Post by bluboy79 on Dec 27, 2017 19:41:21 GMT
It's part of our lease so nothing can happen without our say so !
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Post by paikallinen on Dec 27, 2017 19:42:53 GMT
I've heard a rumour that Stagecoach may be considering abandoning their garaging facilities in the city (having pocketed a few million for their current site).
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Post by sixnil on Dec 27, 2017 19:49:09 GMT
I've heard a rumour that Stagecoach may be considering abandoning their garaging facilities in the city (having pocketed a few million for their current site). Hmmm. Tell me Chester FC, what was it about millionaire Paul Stagecoach that first attracted you to him. Is there a bucketload of money to be had for our coffers even though we don't actually own the land but merely lease it? |
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Post by Malcolm Tucker on Dec 27, 2017 19:49:12 GMT
From what I can tell; they claim the area is unused and yet cars are parked there every game. They should have been told to piss off at the first opportunity.
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Post by Al on Dec 27, 2017 20:20:21 GMT
From what I can tell; they claim the area is unused and yet cars are parked there every game. They should have been told to piss off at the first opportunity. The plans are to build mostly on what is basically that grass verge. It was discussed at the last CFU meeting and agreed from both parties that we must not lose any parking spaces. According to MM, we won't lose any spaces. Plans being drawn up by Stagecoach apparently. Once MM knows final details it will be put to the board to either sign it off and go ahead with it or put a stop to it. It wouldn't be a lump sum, more likely a sub-letting of the land which we rent from the council. If it brings significant money into the club then we are in no position to refuse it, especially if it has no impact on the number of spaces we're using. |
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Post by Borderlands on Dec 27, 2017 20:26:02 GMT
Given the number of cars there yesterday there's plenty of space to accommodate both of us.
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Post by blueforever on Dec 27, 2017 20:32:57 GMT
We were told by mr maguire at the Senior Blues meeting recently that if it went ahead and up to now all seems ok with the council it could generate up to £100000 rent a year Dont we need the money ? would go a long way to helping with the budget no one in their right mind would turn that down just to free up some waste land at the back of the stadium also there is a clause it it comes off to flatten the grass verges around the ground to compansate for the lost spaces with new tarmac and properly mark car parking bays
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Post by paulinem on Dec 27, 2017 22:01:39 GMT
All sounds good on paper at the moment when we are desperate for any crumb. But it seriously worries me that a small club like us enters imto a deal with a major nationsl company with top notch lawyers. What hapoens if once they have a foot (tyre?) in the carpark what more will they want? Will they tske it over by stealth as their empire expands?
What if in our wildest dreams we get a home FA Cup tie against a top Prenier League club in seasons to come and we find we can’t use most of our car park and end up fighting Stagecoach in court?
I sincerely hope that the Board call a meeting with the fans/owners to run through the pros and cons of this deal before any contract is signed.
If we do go ahead I hope the Board have some good lawyers to gobthrough the contract with a fine tooth comb and ensure we have a short term get out clause too.
Stagecoach are a ruthless company as their passengers know - let’s not be too hasty to sell our souls to the devil surely?
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Post by gone4eva on Dec 27, 2017 22:47:47 GMT
This is the entire public documentation of this: "The issue of Stagecoach having use of the car park is still in the early stages of consideration and it would have to bring in serious finance before any decision is made." ". Stagecoach, planning permission – it was confirmed that they have made a planning application but have not secured planning permission. A lot of work still needs to be undertaken to see if it is a financially worthwhile proposition and how it would be possible to compensate for lack of parking space on match days" www.cityfansunited.com/docs/CFU_Members_Meeting_Notes_Sept_17.pdf Dated September. People are talking about no confidence in the board, so perhaps they should check their mandate before pressing ahead with such significant deals. |
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Post by gone4eva on Dec 27, 2017 22:55:56 GMT
Planning application pa.cheshirewestandchester.gov.uk/online-applications/caseDetails.do?caseType=Application&keyVal=OU0075TE03R00Bus depot comprising maintenance workshop/offices and associated car parking, chassis / bus wash, bus refuelling and bus parking. Highways Department comment seems to conflict with club representatives view.... "The Planning Statement states that this area is un-used car parking area. This is not the case as during Chester FC home matches this area is well used as parking." Look at the map, it is about 30-40% of our car park. |
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Post by gone4eva on Dec 27, 2017 22:57:16 GMT
From what I can tell; they claim the area is unused and yet cars are parked there every game. They should have been told to piss off at the first opportunity. The plans are to build mostly on what is basically that grass verge. Look at the planning application red line as what you have said is bullshit. Who told you that?! |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Dec 27, 2017 23:00:47 GMT
The plans are to build mostly on what is basically that grass verge. Look at the planning application red line as what you have said is bullshit. Who told you that?! Mark Maguire said at the last CFU meeting that Stagecoach had submitted a plan to re-work the existing car park which will apparently not only make up for the loss of spaces but contribute a further 50. Looking at the plans, I'd be intrigued to know how they plan on doing that - sounds very ambitious indeed. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 23:13:19 GMT
Aren't you clinging at straws?
Looking for money at any development around the ground?
Even...questioning lost revenue on the car park if any redevelopment?
The Council owns it. Not the tenants Chester F.C
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 23:36:56 GMT
There's nothing in it for you...
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Post by Maravilla on Dec 28, 2017 0:20:12 GMT
There's nothing in it for you... Are you on the wind up? You clearly have absolutely no knowledge of leases so please stop posting. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 0:25:19 GMT
There's nothing in it for you... Are you on the wind up? You clearly have absolutely no knowledge of leases so please stop posting. No wind up. The Council owns the ground and immediate surrounding area. You are tenants. |
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Post by Maravilla on Dec 28, 2017 0:30:07 GMT
Are you on the wind up? You clearly have absolutely no knowledge of leases so please stop posting. No wind up. The Council owns the ground and immediate surrounding area. You are tenants. Well if you aren't on the wind up, please go and educate yourself on the matter before you come on here proclaiming you have knowledge of the issue. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 0:34:01 GMT
It's common knowledge though.
One of the principle reasons you dissolved your club was because it was easier because Chester Council own the land. Whatever tenancy agreements...
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Post by Maravilla on Dec 28, 2017 0:50:29 GMT
It's common knowledge though. One of the principle reasons you dissolved your club was because it was easier because Chester Council own the land. Whatever tenancy agreements... Given that you appear to be such an expert on the subject matter, would you be kind enough to educate us on how the lease can be changed with or without the consent of the leaseholder? A lease agreement is a contract, which means that two parties come together on an agreed-upon exchange of benefits for both sides. So do you think the owner of the land can simply remove some of the benefits of the lease without recompense? |
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Post by gaz on Dec 28, 2017 9:31:57 GMT
It's common knowledge though. One of the principle reasons you dissolved your club was because it was easier because Chester Council own the land. Whatever tenancy agreements... Given that you appear to be such an expert on the subject matter, would you be kind enough to educate us on how the lease can be changed with or without the consent of the leaseholder? A lease agreement is a contract, which means that two parties come together on an agreed-upon exchange of benefits for both sides. So do you think the owner of the land can simply remove some of the benefits of the lease without recompense? there may be a element of wind up here, don't the club lease the "stadium" ? the area around the "stadium" which is used for car parking on match days isn't as far as i am aware covered by any specific lease arrangements, but the council made it available to the club. This was mentioned in an open planning meeting a while ago when the proposals first were aired. The stage coach plans proposed include a provision to allow parking during match days, how many spaces will be allocated will have to be decided but if the usage count is from this seasons car park use of that area it won't be much. The effect it will have on the club will depend on the final plans. As far as the benefits to the club some have mentioned sub letting, the club can't sub let something not covered by the original contract and there is more than likely a clause preventing this any way, there usually is. hey on the bright side the car parking area may finally be covered in tarmac and marked out!!!.... |
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Post by paulinem on Dec 28, 2017 9:48:20 GMT
Meant to say in my post that even on Boxing Day there wasn’t much room left when I parked my cat and thst was with one of our smallest crowds of this season! If relegation bodes then next year we could get bigger crowds wiith more local oppo. Making parking difficult could be detrimental long term too.
I am not against exploring income streams but I worry about this one without some very careful thought.
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Post by oldboneze on Dec 28, 2017 9:48:40 GMT
From what I can tell; they claim the area is unused and yet cars are parked there every game. They should have been told to piss off at the first opportunity. The plans are to build mostly on what is basically that grass verge. It was discussed at the last CFU meeting and agreed from both parties that we must not lose any parking spaces. According to MM, we won't lose any spaces. Plans being drawn up by Stagecoach apparently. Once MM knows final details it will be put to the board to either sign it off and go ahead with it or put a stop to it.It wouldn't be a lump sum, more likely a sub-letting of the land which we rent from the council. If it brings significant money into the club then we are in no position to refuse it, especially if it has no impact on the number of spaces we're using. IMO a 50 year lease with 47 years to run is an asset of CFU/CFC. To sub-let part of the land covered by the lease (by lump sum or annual rent) would a disposal of part of the asset. I am neither for nor against the principle of disposal, but it should be subject of a vote of the CFU membership who should receive all the information necessary to make an informed decision.
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Post by paulinem on Dec 28, 2017 9:49:43 GMT
Car not a cat! Obviously posting in a flap!
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Post by paulinem on Dec 28, 2017 9:50:05 GMT
Car not a cat! Obviously posting in a flap!
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Post by gezzer on Dec 28, 2017 10:03:20 GMT
OK I know nothing about the deal, what I do know is our owners currently pay about £10k into the club. The Stagecoach deal could possibly bring in £100k per season into the club. No brainer.
The negative posting re car park spaces "if we get a Premier League club in the FA cup..." "I could hardly find a space on Boxing day..." Get a grip.
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Post by Maravilla on Dec 28, 2017 10:14:26 GMT
Given that you appear to be such an expert on the subject matter, would you be kind enough to educate us on how the lease can be changed with or without the consent of the leaseholder? A lease agreement is a contract, which means that two parties come together on an agreed-upon exchange of benefits for both sides. So do you think the owner of the land can simply remove some of the benefits of the lease without recompense? there may be a element of wind up here, don't the club lease the "stadium" ? the area around the "stadium" which is used for car parking on match days isn't as far as i am aware covered by any specific lease arrangements, but the council made it available to the club. This was mentioned in an open planning meeting a while ago when the proposals first were aired. The stage coach plans proposed include a provision to allow parking during match days, how many spaces will be allocated will have to be decided but if the usage count is from this seasons car park use of that area it won't be much. The effect it will have on the club will depend on the final plans. As far as the benefits to the club some have mentioned sub letting, the club can't sub let something not covered by the original contract and there is more than likely a clause preventing this any way, there usually is. hey on the bright side the car parking area may finally be covered in tarmac and marked out!!!.... The 50 year lease arranged in 2014 covers the stadium and the car park. |
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Post by richard on Dec 28, 2017 10:14:37 GMT
The plans are to build mostly on what is basically that grass verge. It was discussed at the last CFU meeting and agreed from both parties that we must not lose any parking spaces. According to MM, we won't lose any spaces. Plans being drawn up by Stagecoach apparently. Once MM knows final details it will be put to the board to either sign it off and go ahead with it or put a stop to it.It wouldn't be a lump sum, more likely a sub-letting of the land which we rent from the council. If it brings significant money into the club then we are in no position to refuse it, especially if it has no impact on the number of spaces we're using. IMO a 50 year lease with 47 years to run is an asset of CFU/CFC. To sub-let part of the land covered by the lease (by lump sum or annual rent) would a disposal of part of the asset. I am neither for nor against the principle of disposal, but it should be subject of a vote of the CFU membership who should receive all the information necessary to make an informed decision.
Quite right. I am sure that a decision of this magnitude would be the subject of consultation with the CFU members, a recommendation from the Board and a members vote to decide the matter |
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