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Post by rcb on Jan 3, 2018 18:11:29 GMT
I have not lived in Cheshire since 1972 and I feel eternally let down by the vast majority of so called football fans who do live in Chester and surrounding areas, and who choose to travel to Liverpool or Manchester to watch teams who are not representative of their roots whatsoever. With supporters of old, and indeed old supporters, dropping off, moving off, or dying off, and no initiatives to attract new members then the current model has no future at anywhere nearl as high as level six(National North).
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 3, 2018 18:18:23 GMT
Bignot needs time, any manager would with this shower of shit.
Give the bloke a chance ffs
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Post by sirfred on Jan 3, 2018 18:44:28 GMT
He could possibly walk because he has been let down by these players - no Manager and I mean no Manager could work any magic with these shirkers- Seruously for next Season I would get rid of every one of them bar Ryan Astles as he sweats blood for the team
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Post by league2 on Jan 3, 2018 19:01:36 GMT
It's true to usually say you get what you pay for but I remember a certain Harry Mcnally once having the lowest budget in league 1 he managed to pull together a great squad with the likes of Barry Butler Neil Morton Carl Dale to name a few it can be done on a budget but from scratch like Askey has done at Macclesfield - unfortunately we have assembled a hideous pack of hounds who are either ready for the knackers yard or are out of their depth - we can keep kidding ourselves they will come good but it ain't going to happen- So in a nutshell yes money gets you the cream but it can be done on a budget but ours is shot as I said sirfred nine times out of ten you will finish bottom ,Harry mac was a class out on his own in them days
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Post by agl on Jan 3, 2018 19:21:58 GMT
I have not lived in Cheshire since 1972 and I feel eternally let down by the vast majority of so called football fans who do live in Chester and surrounding areas, and who choose to travel to Liverpool or Manchester to watch teams who are not representative of their roots whatsoever. With supporters of old, and indeed old supporters, dropping off, moving off, or dying off, and no initiatives to attract new members then the current model has no future at anywhere nearl as high as level six(National North). I think TV football has a lot to answer for. When kids can watch international stars almost every day, it's hard to see what would entice them to watch local non-league football. Let's face it, even when things are going well it's not great fare. My 11 year-old nephew and his Dad (both Manchester United fans obviously as they live in Tunbridge Wells) have expressed interest in coming along with me to the Ebbsfleet game. To be honest I am in two minds as it could scar the kid for life. Plus I will inevitably get the p1ss ripped out of me for another shambolic capitulation. Should I ban them?!
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Post by oldnotdecrepit on Jan 3, 2018 19:30:36 GMT
I have not lived in Cheshire since 1972 and I feel eternally let down by the vast majority of so called football fans who do live in Chester and surrounding areas, and who choose to travel to Liverpool or Manchester to watch teams who are not representative of their roots whatsoever. With supporters of old, and indeed old supporters, dropping off, moving off, or dying off, and no initiatives to attract new members then the current model has no future at anywhere nearl as high as level six(National North). I think TV football has a lot to answer for. When kids can watch international stars almost every day, it's hard to see what would entice them to watch local non-league football. Let's face it, even when things are going well it's not great fare. My 11 year-old nephew and his Dad (both Manchester United fans obviously as they live in Tunbridge Wells) have expressed interest in coming along with me to the Ebbsfleet game. To be honest I am in two minds as it could scar the kid for life. Plus I will inevitably get the p1ss ripped out of me for another shambolic capitulation. Should I ban them?! Get them along there with you AGL! Tell them, this is real Football not millionaires kicking a ball around and diving about the pitch. It’s men playing for a living wage and a dream. However temper this with one of the reams is struggling presently, stealing a wage and enduring a nightmare........
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Post by rcb on Jan 3, 2018 19:45:31 GMT
Bignot needs time, any manager would with this shower of shit. Give the bloke a chance ffs Following the disgusting retention of McCarthy and the abysmal early season showing it was abundantly clear, or at least it was to me, that Chester FC did not have time. I’m sure many will agree, and no doubt Bignot himself would have been aware of it at the time. Please stop offending people with the excuses that “he needs time” and “he inherited a crap squad and no budget courtesy of McCarthy”. All known at the time, so I can’t accept such excuses.
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 3, 2018 21:19:43 GMT
Bignot needs time, any manager would with this shower of shit. Give the bloke a chance ffs Following the disgusting retention of McCarthy and the abysmal early season showing it was abundantly clear, or at least it was to me, that Chester FC did not have time. I’m sure many will agree, and no doubt Bignot himself would have been aware of it at the time. Please stop offending people with the excuses that “he needs time” and “he inherited a crap squad and no budget courtesy of McCarthy”. All known at the time, so I can’t accept such excuses. So what's the answer then Mr know it all? I'm not making excuses for Bignot, but I'm not blaming it all on others either. But I do know for sure that sacking bignot is not the bloody answer so where does that leave the situation in your godly eyes?
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 3, 2018 22:37:02 GMT
The simple fact is, that appointing Bignot has made us an even worse team than McCarthy's. I'd therefore assume sacking him was an opportunity to properly test the potential of this squad, however limited they may be. It won't cost much, other than a huge slice of Maguire's pride. Bignot has improved the squad, we are far closer to winning games now than we ever were under the fuckwit, give him time and I honestly believe that he will turn us around. Let's be honest, if the keeper had caught that ball on new years day we'd be saying the complete opposite of this negativity and you know it. And yes I do realise that we have been a bit shambolic over the Xmas period but when has any Chester team done well other than when we were spending big bucks with Daryl Clare et al?
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Post by rcb on Jan 3, 2018 22:59:58 GMT
Following the disgusting retention of McCarthy and the abysmal early season showing it was abundantly clear, or at least it was to me, that Chester FC did not have time. I’m sure many will agree, and no doubt Bignot himself would have been aware of it at the time. Please stop offending people with the excuses that “he needs time” and “he inherited a crap squad and no budget courtesy of McCarthy”. All known at the time, so I can’t accept such excuses. So what's the answer then Mr know it all? I'm not making excuses for Bignot, but I'm not blaming it all on others either. But I do know for sure that sacking bignot is not the bloody answer so where does that leave the situation in your godly eyes? Insulting others hardly enhances your credibility. Clearly there is no simple answer, but sticking with a failing situation won't help. That's already been tried with McCarthy. Apparently you "know for sure that sacking Bignot is not the bloody answer", so how is it possible to express an opinion when you are less Bignot, more bigot. So you don't blame Bignot and neither do you blame it all on others either. How does that work?
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 4, 2018 18:39:37 GMT
So what's the answer then Mr know it all? I'm not making excuses for Bignot, but I'm not blaming it all on others either. But I do know for sure that sacking bignot is not the bloody answer so where does that leave the situation in your godly eyes? Insulting others hardly enhances your credibility. Clearly there is no simple answer, but sticking with a failing situation won't help. That's already been tried with McCarthy. Apparently you "know for sure that sacking Bignot is not the bloody answer", so how is it possible to express an opinion when you are less Bignot, more bigot. So you don't blame Bignot and neither do you blame it all on others either. How does that work? I wasn't insulting you, you'd know if I did that. Bigot! Haha! You have your opinions and I have mine, bignot will pull us out of this mess, there's no need for knee jerk reactions. Out of interest, given you have not lived in Cheshire since 1972, how many games have you actually watched in the last 45 years?
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Post by rcb on Jan 4, 2018 19:23:25 GMT
Is that a test of what I can remember about 45 years ago? About 6 home games a year when younger, rising to about 10 when older. Busiest season was 2010/11 when I missed 6 games all season(home or away)
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 4, 2018 19:41:57 GMT
Is that a test of what I can remember about 45 years ago? About 6 home games a year when younger, rising to about 10 when older. Busiest season was 2010/11 when I missed 6 games all season(home or away) Thanks. No further questions, your honour
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Post by bluesntwos on Jan 4, 2018 23:04:31 GMT
I know a lot of people on here don't like to here it but when you pay the lowest wages in the league you generally get the lowest standard of player and that's where we are at ,never mind blame the board, manager, CEO if you don't have enough money to compete you nine times out of ten will finish bottom .fans have to realize we don't get the crowds to compete in this league as a fan owned club and should be looking for someone to come in and back us .why not have 3,4,5 years of good times and enjoy the ride not every owner, backer of a football club is a crook we should be touting for one anything has got to be better than this drudgery we have to take every season If we don't have the crowds to compete how are we 10th in the attendance league table but way down the league? www.footballwebpages.co.uk/national-league/attendances
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Post by footieman on Jan 4, 2018 23:19:23 GMT
There are plenty of examples of supporter-owned clubs doing just fine: AFC Wimbledon - in L1 Wycombe - playoff places in L2 Exeter - likewise Newport Country - top half of League 2, playing Leeds in the FA Cup this weekend. Plus a certain one up the road not having a bad season. You could say "but they all have more fans than us", but I think that's a cop-out. Exeter, Wycombe and Newport are historically not bigger clubs than us. In the Evo-Stik we were pushing 3,000 a game, but somewhere that momentum was lost. Really, with bigger away support and two big local games, we should be averaging over 3,000 these days. A sustained effort is needed to generate that kind of attendance, as that's what we're dependent on. All this "we need an investor" stuff is lazy, unimaginative and short-sighted, I think. ok, agree with this so $1m question Why haven't we kicked on? 800 Club members = 800 quid a month! That’s why it’s not working for you.
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Post by jb on Jan 5, 2018 0:01:53 GMT
Is that a test of what I can remember about 45 years ago? About 6 home games a year when younger, rising to about 10 when older. Busiest season was 2010/11 when I missed 6 games all season(home or away) I come in peace. Just out of interest how come you attended the most games when we were in tier 8? The lowest tier the club has been in. I think the club should look at this. Was it the community feel etc? It is maybe something the marketing dept should look at ad to why we got more fans in tier 8 than 5.
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Post by league2 on Jan 5, 2018 6:26:41 GMT
I know a lot of people on here don't like to here it but when you pay the lowest wages in the league you generally get the lowest standard of player and that's where we are at ,never mind blame the board, manager, CEO if you don't have enough money to compete you nine times out of ten will finish bottom .fans have to realize we don't get the crowds to compete in this league as a fan owned club and should be looking for someone to come in and back us .why not have 3,4,5 years of good times and enjoy the ride not every owner, backer of a football club is a crook we should be touting for one anything has got to be better than this drudgery we have to take every season If we don't have the crowds to compete how are we 10th in the attendance league table but way down the league? www.footballwebpages.co.uk/national-league/attendances that is all we have attendance money and sponsorship money no backers like nearly all the clubs in this league and the one below
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Post by rcb on Jan 5, 2018 8:05:01 GMT
Is that a test of what I can remember about 45 years ago? About 6 home games a year when younger, rising to about 10 when older. Busiest season was 2010/11 when I missed 6 games all season(home or away) I come in peace. Just out of interest how come you attended the most games when we were in tier 8? The lowest tier the club has been in. I think the club should look at this. Was it the community feel etc? It is maybe something the marketing dept should look at ad to why we got more fans in tier 8 than 5. Interesting question. Not living in the community, it’s not surprising that I have no interest whatsoever in the community aspect of the club, unless of course it generates additional income and development for the first team. Put simply, it’s not my community. In such regard it seems obvious that “The Community” of Chester and surrounds don’t give a damn about the club, save the diminishing few. Whether greater positive action, including marketing and publicity, would change that or not is a university thesis in the making. Perhaps we need Vincent Kompany. Interesting that he considers a reduction in ticket prices as a way forward. For his club of course the ticket income is only a low amount of the total budget. The exact opposite of Chester. I bought into the playing side of the club in 2010, and the targets set for its development. Back in the Conference in 5 years, and then back in the league in another 5 years. That no longer exists, in my opinion the result of a loss of focus. In a period where we should have consolidated, instead Burr was bought in, with the wrong mission, and it has been wrong ever since. Burr didn’t apply but still got the job. The start of the divergence into a “them and us” club. Loss of information and connection with the fans. This worsens daily! Where have the players gone who would have sweated blood for the shirt? Stuart Jones at Prescott -brilliant. Ian Howard, George Horan, Michael Wilde, Michael Powell, Simmo. I Could go on. That’s why I bought into the new club. I could have walked away in 2010, because it wasn’t my community. It still isn’t, but the inspiration from watching honest and sincere players, playing for their shirts, isn’t there any more now. It isn’t Maguire’s or Bignot’s community either! Where do they live?
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Post by oldnotdecrepit on Jan 5, 2018 9:32:32 GMT
I come in peace. Just out of interest how come you attended the most games when we were in tier 8? The lowest tier the club has been in. I think the club should look at this. Was it the community feel etc? It is maybe something the marketing dept should look at ad to why we got more fans in tier 8 than 5. Interesting question. Not living in the community, it’s not surprising that I have no interest whatsoever in the community aspect of the club, unless of course it generates additional income and development for the first team. Put simply, it’s not my community. In such regard it seems obvious that “The Community” of Chester and surrounds don’t give a damn about the club, save the diminishing few. Whether greater positive action, including marketing and publicity, would change that or not is a university thesis in the making. Perhaps we need Vincent Kompany. Interesting that he considers a reduction in ticket prices as a way forward. For his club of course the ticket income is only a low amount of the total budget. The exact opposite of Chester. I bought into the playing side of the club in 2010, and the targets set for its development. Back in the Conference in 5 years, and then back in the league in another 5 years. That no longer exists, in my opinion the result of a loss of focus. In a period where we should have consolidated, instead Burr was bought in, with the wrong mission, and it has been wrong ever since. Burr didn’t apply but still got the job. The start of the divergence into a “them and us” club. Loss of information and connection with the fans. This worsens daily! Where have the players gone who would have sweated blood for the shirt? Stuart Jones at Prescott -brilliant. Ian Howard, George Horan, Michael Wilde, Michael Powell, Simmo. I Could go on. That’s why I bought into the new club. I could have walked away in 2010, because it wasn’t my community. It still isn’t, but the inspiration from watching honest and sincere players, playing for their shirts, isn’t there any more now. It isn’t Maguire’s or Bignot’s community either! Where do they live? That’s a very interesting and informative email. Can I add one thing, for the Community aspect of the club to fulfil its potential you MUST have a successful “flagship” first team. This attracts everyone, players, coaches, supporters, sponsors, junior players, members - everyone. The flagship of our club is being, I feel, neglected because the board are consoling themselves with the success of the community side of the club. This is a huge and worrying mistake and our poor First team siruation could have negative effects for years to come. I find your take on what happened a few seasons ago very thought provoking. I feel now, more than ever a review is required of the clubs priorities.
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Post by bluesntwos on Jan 5, 2018 11:48:14 GMT
that is all we have attendance money and sponsorship money no backers like nearly all the clubs in this league and the one below Out of interest, who are Wrexhams backers?
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jan 5, 2018 12:22:08 GMT
that is all we have attendance money and sponsorship money no backers like nearly all the clubs in this league and the one below Out of interest, who are Wrexhams backers? They're fan-owned but do it better.
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Post by billyw on Jan 5, 2018 13:05:36 GMT
Out of interest, who are Wrexhams backers? They're fan-owned but do it better. They also have more fans who are prepared to put their hands in their pockets.
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Post by Hannibal on Jan 5, 2018 13:39:24 GMT
Is that a test of what I can remember about 45 years ago? About 6 home games a year when younger, rising to about 10 when older. Busiest season was 2010/11 when I missed 6 games all season(home or away) I come in peace. Just out of interest how come you attended the most games when we were in tier 8? The lowest tier the club has been in. I think the club should look at this. Was it the community feel etc? It is maybe something the marketing dept should look at ad to why we got more fans in tier 8 than 5. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
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Post by gezzer on Jan 5, 2018 15:35:36 GMT
ok, agree with this so $1m question Why haven't we kicked on? 800 Club members = 800 quid a month! That’s why it’s not working for you. Don't forget the Squadbuilder boxes and the £4k Build Bignots Budget. That just about sums up our club. Lobster, unimaginative is just sitting back do nothing and hope our attendances get bigger. We need to think out the box, we'll never have the attendances to fund promotion to the FL. I started a thread on fundraising and there were 3 replies with the usual moan and groan about a fundraising committee, seemingly nobody interested in forming one but plenty willing to moan about a lack of. I once attended a managers conference, we had a session on accountability, the speaker got us to point the finger at him and look at where the other 3 fingers (4 if from Wrexham) were pointing to. As the thread title says You only get what you pay for...
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Post by Al on Jan 5, 2018 15:56:59 GMT
800 Club members = 800 quid a month! That’s why it’s not working for you. Don't forget the Squadbuilder boxes and the £4k Build Bignots Budget. That just about sums up our club. Lobster, unimaginative is just sitting back do nothing and hope our attendances get bigger. We need to think out the box, we'll never have the attendances to fund promotion to the FL. I started a thread on fundraising and there were 3 replies with the usual moan and groan about a fundraising committee, seemingly nobody interested in forming one but plenty willing to moan about a lack of. I once attended a managers conference, we had a session on accountability, the speaker got us to point the finger at him and look at where the other 3 fingers (4 if from Wrexham) were pointing to. As the thread title says You only get what you pay for...
We had a fundraising committee, with a number of enthusiastic people involved who set the ball rolling with the car boot sales as well as other smaller things like the quiz nights etc. Club decided in their infinite wisdom to bin them off though.
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Post by alancfc on Jan 5, 2018 16:12:56 GMT
Don't forget the Squadbuilder boxes and the £4k Build Bignots Budget. That just about sums up our club. Lobster, unimaginative is just sitting back do nothing and hope our attendances get bigger. We need to think out the box, we'll never have the attendances to fund promotion to the FL. I started a thread on fundraising and there were 3 replies with the usual moan and groan about a fundraising committee, seemingly nobody interested in forming one but plenty willing to moan about a lack of. I once attended a managers conference, we had a session on accountability, the speaker got us to point the finger at him and look at where the other 3 fingers (4 if from Wrexham) were pointing to. As the thread title says You only get what you pay for...
We had a fundraising committee, with a number of enthusiastic people involved who set the ball rolling with the car boot sales as well as other smaller things like the quiz nights etc. Club decided in their infinite wisdom to bin them off though. The truth is that the new board had arranged to meet the committee (i know a few people on it), however they all resigned, because they had previously felt neglected by previous boards. Be fair in your comments , this isn't new board fault, which can't be said of everything mind.
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Post by Deva Chanter on Jan 5, 2018 16:51:33 GMT
We had a fundraising committee, with a number of enthusiastic people involved who set the ball rolling with the car boot sales as well as other smaller things like the quiz nights etc. Club decided in their infinite wisdom to bin them off though. The truth is that the new board had arranged to meet the committee (i know a few people on it), however they all resigned, because they had previously felt neglected by previous boards. Be fair in your comments , this isn't new board fault, which can't be said of everything mind. But it's not a new board is it? There's 2 new people on it - all the others were re-elected and were serving before the resignations took place.
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Post by alancfc on Jan 5, 2018 16:58:53 GMT
The truth is that the new board had arranged to meet the committee (i know a few people on it), however they all resigned, because they had previously felt neglected by previous boards. Be fair in your comments , this isn't new board fault, which can't be said of everything mind. But it's not a new board is it? There's 2 new people on it - all the others were re-elected and were serving before the resignations took place. I don't include the four who had the balls to stand up for co-option at the very end of last season pre-season, as the old board, they should fairly be not included in the responsibility for the actions of the board pre-may. Hence why I voted for them all at the AGM. Highly doubt that the committee resigned because some fresh faces came on to the board?!
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Post by Al on Jan 5, 2018 17:07:59 GMT
OK maybe I should have said the last board then if you want to be pedantic about it
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Post by gezzer on Jan 5, 2018 17:08:59 GMT
So the fundraising committee was not binned but resigned. We had one so cannot have another? Hardly mega money, a car boot sale that as I understand failed and cost the club money and a few quiz nights? Defo keeping up with the thread title.
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