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Post by Captain Duff on Jan 24, 2018 17:56:25 GMT
i'm not going to pretend to know the exact details but it's not a secret that there has been concrete interest. I fear that if we get relegated without an investor we could end up in a situation very similar to Telfords. The fan model is great and we've learnt a lot from it but it's taken the club as far as it can. Do the goats or the wombles also know that they shouldn't where they are? Perhaps you should let them know! As to Telford, yes they struggled, but they also struggled to attract any outside investment (even with the potential to cede control), much smaller fan base was the main reason, although one positive that did happen and is ongoing is the close relationship with Wolves who have supported them in a number of ways (they get to have a place they trust and with ex-Wolves coaching staff to put their young players as loanees), but without Wolves having any control over the fan owners, a win-win in many ways.
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Post by everhopeful on Jan 24, 2018 18:03:55 GMT
No. I’m obsessed with the man who was far and away the best man for the job. Look at the upturn in Fylde’s performances since he joined them. Beat the leaders 6-0, 19 points out of a possible 21, and moved into the playoffs. The only wierd thing is that you think wanting Barrow is weird. So because Barrow joined that’s the reason for the turn in form? Haha. No, I mean it’s weird how much you go on about him. We get it you want Barrow. I wish the pair of you would grow up and stop sniping at each other! Your petty squabbles are not wanted on here, especially when our club is in such trouble.
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Post by gezzer on Jan 24, 2018 18:05:10 GMT
Some of the volunteers I know are more than capable of discussing and securing a sponsorship. It was volunteers who originally secured sponsorships from MBNA, Swettenhams Chemists, Big Storage etc. I feel very sorry for Mark. He is a really nice, thoroughly professional man. Unfortunately the way that our club is financially we simply cannot afford him. I will be interested to see at the CFU meeting how our commercial income stacks up year on year, and again against target. I would imagine that the working groups set up will look to take up any workload left by Mark when he finishes. Hopefully this is step one from the board. You got there before me - was going to say we seemed to manage without during the early years! With the right people doing the right things the right way we'll manage again. Not strictly true. I know for sure that 2 of those mentioned actually approached the club with offers of help. Before MM came on board there were also advertising boards that had not been paid for, the cock up with the kit order, the Ben Heneghan fiasco. These were the ones we knew of. If we go back, we need strong leaders of these working groups who will ensure that the volunteers stick within a tight remit of what their accountabilities are.
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Post by BuckleyIsBlue on Jan 24, 2018 18:09:20 GMT
I always found Mark to be polite and professional and a nice guy, and don't think he did as bad a job as some make out on here and only time will tell. Good luck for the future Mark. CTID. Did you ever try and give the club money through him? Did you always get a reply from him if you e-mailed him? If so, you were one of the very few! Must be one of the few....Always responded in a timely manner. CTID.
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Post by tarvinblue on Jan 24, 2018 18:20:46 GMT
Great news for the club. We have got him off our pay roll before he kills us in his 'advisory' role. Has failed to deliver on his own expectations and is constantly haunted by his past. We now need to find ways of moving forwards commercially and logistically without the need for a one man show. Appalling comment, workers being made redundant is never 'great news', and as an owner (and so in part responsible for the job loss) I am gutted for both Mark and the club that it has come to this. No one should ever be happy at the sight of workers being sent down the road, and for anyone who cares deeply about our club and our mutual ownership ethos this is a very dark day indeed. He's taken 50-60k out of our budget for the last two years. What have we seen for it? We are imploding on and off the field and are in a worse state now than when he joined. Yes the board are weak but anyone that thinks he hasn't been driving these outcomes needs their head testing. He's hardly been badly done to, he's been shipped on and we will be far better for it. It's called basic accountability. Next is to ship out every board member that's played their part in allowing this situation to manifest. We have to be ruthless and we have to regain control of our club. MM going is a massive step in the right direction regarding that.
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Post by Jack on Jan 24, 2018 18:34:41 GMT
I sent Mark and e-mail around 1 month before McCarthy's sacking last year. It was more of a rant, really, but I felt I needed to write something.
MM not only replied, but asked for my contact number and we had an hour long conversation about we both saw the club moving forward. This means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things, but I think it was the mark of a good man, who genuinely tried to do his best for the club.
I think he's probably, due to the ineffectiveness of the current board, had to carry the can for a lot of things that he wasn't directly responsible for.
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Post by Si on Jan 24, 2018 18:38:37 GMT
What does this mean for the 100 club?
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Post by jb on Jan 24, 2018 18:43:47 GMT
I sent Mark and e-mail around 1 month before McCarthy's sacking last year. It was more of a rant, really, but I felt I needed to write something. MM not only replied, but asked for my contact number and we had an hour long conversation about we both saw the club moving forward. This means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things, but I think it was the mark of a good man, who genuinely tried to do his best for the club. I think he's probably, due to the ineffectiveness of the current board, had to carry the can for a lot of things that he wasn't directly responsible for. Sorry but that sounds more like he wants to be a presenter for Talk Sport rather than CEO of CFC.
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Post by navajo on Jan 24, 2018 18:49:17 GMT
The timing of this is really quite horrendous - regardless of your opinions on Maguire or the necessity for his role, throwing him under the bus the day before tomorrow's CFU meeting is an utterly classless act unbefitting of this football club - yet one which was entirely predictable from our current board. I am actually embarrassed as a fan, and owner, that the board think this is a plausible tactic to deflect the blame which is quite rightly being placed firmly at their doorstep. Lets not forget the real issues here: Who appointed Maguire? Who appointed McCarthy? Who gave McCarthy a suicidal contract extension? Who is it that didn't set McCarthy any targets at the beginning of the season? Who didn't sack McCarthy when they should have? Who allowed every single penny of the Sam Hughes money to be pissed away on the playing budget? Who makes promises in their election manifestos which they completely fail to deliver? Who is it that marketed a Cestrian 10 season ticket with just 11 matches of the season to go? Who is it that has allowed almost every single working group and committee walk away from the football club? Who is it that takes almost a full month to post some half-arsed edited minutes on the CFU website for owners to hold them accountable? Who have continuously failed to represent the views of their membership in making the above decisions? Undoubtedly, Maguire would have had a role in some of the things above - but only an advisory one. It is the board who are responsible for all of the above and for the subsequent mess we are in - we cannot allow them to get away with the damage they are doing to this football club and that begins tomorrow night. This pretty much sums it up.
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Post by billyw on Jan 24, 2018 18:50:18 GMT
I sent Mark and e-mail around 1 month before McCarthy's sacking last year. It was more of a rant, really, but I felt I needed to write something. MM not only replied, but asked for my contact number and we had an hour long conversation about we both saw the club moving forward. This means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things, but I think it was the mark of a good man, who genuinely tried to do his best for the club. I think he's probably, due to the ineffectiveness of the current board, had to carry the can for a lot of things that he wasn't directly responsible for. Sorry but that sounds more like he wants to be a presenter for Talk Sport rather than CEO of CFC. Damned if he did, damned if he didn't.
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Post by Jack on Jan 24, 2018 18:50:52 GMT
I sent Mark and e-mail around 1 month before McCarthy's sacking last year. It was more of a rant, really, but I felt I needed to write something. MM not only replied, but asked for my contact number and we had an hour long conversation about we both saw the club moving forward. This means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things, but I think it was the mark of a good man, who genuinely tried to do his best for the club. I think he's probably, due to the ineffectiveness of the current board, had to carry the can for a lot of things that he wasn't directly responsible for. Sorry but that sounds more like he wants to be a presenter for Talk Sport rather than CEO of CFC. Disagree. To me, it showed a direct line of communication with a club and made me feel valued as a long standing supporter. Like I initially said, it doesn't change the facts that he didn't bring enough money in etc. but the witch-hunt is unnecessary. He's a nice man, who tried his best but it didn't work out. The club are justified in their actions.
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Post by gezzer on Jan 24, 2018 19:29:47 GMT
Still positive in his Interview in the Chron. Will give his all to his last day.
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Post by whopper1 on Jan 24, 2018 20:01:26 GMT
The pipe is well and truly full of sewage
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Post by gezzer on Jan 24, 2018 20:26:23 GMT
Bet Whopper 3 is creaming his pants tonight
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Post by eltonblues on Jan 24, 2018 20:36:27 GMT
When was his 2 years anniversary? If it's before that he gets no pay off if the rules are the same as my workplace.
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Post by rjshbdhmtrm on Jan 24, 2018 20:44:27 GMT
EB . . . June 2016
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Post by soulseal on Jan 24, 2018 20:53:33 GMT
The redundancy of the CEO position is a direct consequence of our poor form in the last year resulting in lower crowds and inevitable relegation.
As a club we have to retreat to a part-time status, dependency on youth and part time players and playing at a level that is sustainable.
If we then begin to prosper in the results area crowds should return and we can give the National league another go.
We have in principle tried to do the right things to maintain our National league status and kick on, but clearly we have backed the wrong people and their performance has been wanting.
This goes back to Young rebuilding the successful National North winning team, Burr unable to maintain initial improvement and the appointment of McCarthy.
This is obviously in hindsight, as we as fans wanted to push on. Bignot has tried to change things without a budget and the task has been beyond him.
Correct decision by the board at this time. I suspect we will see new people on the board as a consequence of the current situation.
We have to start again.
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Post by soulseal on Jan 24, 2018 21:02:27 GMT
When was his 2 years anniversary? If it's before that he gets no pay off if the rules are the same as my workplace. You only qualify for redundancy pay for 2 years or more employment so you are correct, no statutory payment, but that doesn’t mean no payment would be made. An employer can pay redundancy if they feel it is appropriate. Details should be announced tomorrow I would hope. He only gets 1 week statutory notice as well, so he will be happy to stay till April as that’s a better deal.
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Post by gezzer on Jan 25, 2018 8:32:15 GMT
Irrelevant regarding statutory redundancy, the problem is if he has a clause in his contract or a fixed term.
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Post by Si on Jan 25, 2018 9:49:43 GMT
I doubt Maguire was perfect at his job (who is?) but my feelings are that he was having to do far too much behind the scenes, to cover for a board lacking in skills/willingness. I was chasing the club shop up for a while about an order that I was waiting for, and on multiple occasions I was dealing with Maguire who was trying to sort it out. No way should a CEO be sorting out a poxy club shop order, but perhaps he didn't trust in the volunteers/staff working at the club. Ultimately, he gave it a go and did alright, but the brutal reality is that we cannot afford his position. It's going to be difficult to find someone that will do all that kind of work for no wage.
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Post by jb on Jan 25, 2018 12:16:10 GMT
Sorry but that sounds more like he wants to be a presenter for Talk Sport rather than CEO of CFC. Disagree. To me, it showed a direct line of communication with a club and made me feel valued as a long standing supporter. Like I initially said, it doesn't change the facts that he didn't bring enough money in etc. but the witch-hunt is unnecessary. He's a nice man, who tried his best but it didn't work out. The club are justified in their actions. That's fair enough. However, his remit is to keep an eye on the club's "financials" and not "shoot the breeze" with fans. From rumours going around he has spectacularly failed at this. Therefore many people will hold him culpable for this alleged huge deficit that we now have and puts our future in jeopardy. What dialogue and reports have been made to the board by our CEO? I would like to know how the £100k war chest, Sam Hughes money and 1000 plus season ticket revenue has all been evaporated in a matter of months. Has he also been hassling the FA regarding the Alabi money and what steps has he taken to prompt a reaction from them and TRFC? Are we now in the same mess that Stockport also found themselves in? I have huge concerns and hopefully Mr Maguire will address these.
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Post by BuckleyIsBlue on Jan 25, 2018 14:02:28 GMT
I doubt Maguire was perfect at his job (who is?) but my feelings are that he was having to do far too much behind the scenes, to cover for a board lacking in skills/willingness. I was chasing the club shop up for a while about an order that I was waiting for, and on multiple occasions I was dealing with Maguire who was trying to sort it out. No way should a CEO be sorting out a poxy club shop order, but perhaps he didn't trust in the volunteers/staff working at the club. Ultimately, he gave it a go and did alright, but the brutal reality is that we cannot afford his position. It's going to be difficult to find someone that will do all that kind of work for no wage. Excellent post Si.
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Post by northender on Jan 25, 2018 19:12:02 GMT
Realism is starting to hit home. MM may have been expensive [without doubt], he may have been incompetent [but I doubt that] and he may have performed below his ambitions [almost certainly true] but the position is now redundant and without a dedicated professional somewhere in the setup we could be in serious trouble. Volunteers are fine but they often have limited time, barely relevant experience, many completely undersetimate what volunteering means and some, sadly, cannot or do not deliver the promised goods. People agreeing to follow a target-driven business plan over a period of time is not the same as turning up for three hours on a random Saturday morning to shovel snow. The fact is that whips have to be cracked in tieing people down to their promises and agreed targets. Who does this? Another volunteer? [same potential problems] The Board as a group? [unweildy to the point of impossible] A paid professional worker? [with redundancy that horse has now bolted or the position of CEO has to be re-invented under a different guise.]. Lots to sort out not least a realistic expectation of where the football side of things is heading.
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