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Post by poolepirate on Mar 11, 2018 18:12:33 GMT
we all have our opinions on players and the game today and of course we all feel down about our position and relegation(which look certain now) on another thread the performance of andy halls was brought to question but i think lucas dawson was poor you can see why he doesnt get in the team when gary roberts is fit LD seems to stroll around the pitch like its a pre season game does not play with much passion and commitment agree sometimes he sprays the ball with accuracy but does not warrant a place in the team anyone know why the latest signing was not even on the bench especially with no gary roberts maybe not match fit so signing with next season in mind ?
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Post by bethnalblue on Mar 11, 2018 18:14:34 GMT
we all have our opinions on players and the game today and of course we all feel down about our position and relegation(which look certain now) on another thread the performance of andy halls was brought to question but i think lucas dawson was poor you can see why he doesnt get in the team when gary roberts is fit LD seems to stroll around the pitch like its a pre season game does not play with much passion and commitment agree sometimes he sprays the ball with accuracy but does not warrant a place in the team anyone know why the latest signing was not even on the bench especially with no gary roberts maybe not match fit so signing with next season in mind ? Probably because his international clearance from Sweden hadnt come through
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Post by Rio Doherty on Mar 15, 2018 6:58:26 GMT
According to the Chronicle, Dawson has been offered a new contract for next season.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Mar 15, 2018 7:09:21 GMT
According to the Chronicle, Dawson has been offered a new contract for next season. Good news after the Heneghan fiasco and given the interest shown by a number of Football League clubs over recent weeks. I've always said he's a good footballer with a strong football upbringing in PL academy - just not a relegation battle blood and thunder type of player which is clearly the reason a lot of people have got their backs up.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2018 7:13:44 GMT
Before people start jumping in, blaming Bignot and threatening to never watch the club again. Offering Dawson terms for next season makes financial sense. If we are to lose him then we will get money through a tribunal.
Personally, I think there's a tidy footballer there. Lad obviously needs a whole lot of confidence as the minute he makes a mistake it takes him out of the game. Doesn't help that the majority that were behind him last season and at the beginning have turned on him, quite vocally in the stands.
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Post by eyeswideopen on Mar 15, 2018 7:28:14 GMT
His brain spots the pass, unfortunately his feet don't quite have the skill to carry it out most of the time.
He showed in 5 seconds on Sunday why he is so frustrating, he ambled around the centre circle with the ball at one point in the second half, lost the ball and ran after the guy, when we all thought he would clatter into the back of him and pick up a yellow, he made probably one of the best tackles I have seen this season. Came away with the ball and made a simple pass.
Personally I think we will have a Sean Mcconville type situation on our hands here, I think we might regret losing him at some point in the future.
Just as an aside, why do we always have to have a hate figure?
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Post by dmcnally on Mar 15, 2018 8:28:17 GMT
This could just be reactionary to the interest shown from the Football League so we’re protected and in for a bit of cash.
Maybe Sychdyn Blue isn’t alone in his judgement of Dawson. Stanley saw something in McConville many Chester fans didn’t and he’s now one of the best players in League Two. We don’t want this to be another case of one that got away.
If he does get away at least it’ll be at the return of some vital funds.
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Post by Hannibal on Mar 15, 2018 8:31:40 GMT
Is it April 1st?
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Post by Anders on Mar 15, 2018 8:40:19 GMT
Before people start jumping in, blaming Bignot and threatening to never watch the club again. Offering Dawson terms for next season makes financial sense. If we are to lose him then we will get money through a tribunal. Personally, I think there's a tidy footballer there. Lad obviously needs a whole lot of confidence as the minute he makes a mistake it takes him out of the game. Doesn't help that the majority that were behind him last season and at the beginning have turned on him, quite vocally in the stands. Can't go to a tribunal can it? Surely Dawson is now too old?
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Post by Harry Lime on Mar 15, 2018 8:47:43 GMT
Before people start jumping in, blaming Bignot and threatening to never watch the club again. Offering Dawson terms for next season makes financial sense. If we are to lose him then we will get money through a tribunal. Personally, I think there's a tidy footballer there. Lad obviously needs a whole lot of confidence as the minute he makes a mistake it takes him out of the game. Doesn't help that the majority that were behind him last season and at the beginning have turned on him, quite vocally in the stands. His loss of form coincided with him starting to get abuse every time he misplaced a pass. Under Bignot it looked as if Dawson had been told "you're my play maker, hit the strikers early" . Problem was, the strikers don't make runs, and the rest of the midfield was awful and couldn't run. I think he's this year's scapegoat. It's not always the player that gives the ball away that is at fault. Eyeswideopen asked a really good question about having a hate figure. Hardly going to help bring players in, of them wanting to stay and play for us. Some of our "support" real!y need to give their heads a shake. Dawson with Roberts and Crawford do give us midfield combinations capable of passing the ball. That's a real in improvement on what we started the season with.
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Post by uptheseals on Mar 15, 2018 8:49:28 GMT
What about vose and Roberts ? Yet we give a contract to one the worst players we've had in years fml were a backwards club fair play
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Post by league2 on Mar 15, 2018 8:50:51 GMT
Lucas Dawson is a class act,he gives the ball away a couple of times in a game and gets slated when other players give it away most passes I'm sure he will go on to have a good career in the game
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2018 8:56:20 GMT
Before people start jumping in, blaming Bignot and threatening to never watch the club again. Offering Dawson terms for next season makes financial sense. If we are to lose him then we will get money through a tribunal. Personally, I think there's a tidy footballer there. Lad obviously needs a whole lot of confidence as the minute he makes a mistake it takes him out of the game. Doesn't help that the majority that were behind him last season and at the beginning have turned on him, quite vocally in the stands. Can't go to a tribunal can it? Surely Dawson is now too old? He's 24 (I thought he was younger) so he likely is too old. I'd still keep him
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Post by uptheseals on Mar 15, 2018 8:57:55 GMT
Can't go to a tribunal can it? Surely Dawson is now too old? He's 24 (I thought he was younger) so he likely is too old. I'd still keep him Why though he's awful he has been all season apart from 4 alright games
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Post by superman on Mar 15, 2018 9:04:19 GMT
Does this imply that the managerial situation has been decided, surely you would expect the manager to have an input in recruitment, or are is recruitment being done in part by the football working group. Can understand the situation with the younger players who have value due to our development of them and the need to protect the club's interest. Would I keep him, probably if in Conf. North.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2018 9:04:33 GMT
He's 24 (I thought he was younger) so he likely is too old. I'd still keep him Why though he's awful he has been all season apart from 4 alright games Seen more from him than majority of squad, including the high earners. Reality is next season we will see a completely different squad than what we have now. Building, rebuilding, a whole new squad that can challenge for promotion will be a long process. 16+ players aren't going to turn up from nowhere, especially with our budget next season. That means keeping a few on. Dawson is far from the worse, like many have said he's a decent footballer. Chester FC won't be the most attractive club for players to play for next season. I fear next season, like this, will be spent mostly signing out of contracts players from the scrap heap and a few more freebies on loan. We need all we can keep.
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Post by gezzer on Mar 15, 2018 9:06:09 GMT
That's 3 more than Mahon in the last 3 years!
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Post by chesterken on Mar 15, 2018 9:07:21 GMT
His biggest letdown is his lack of pace but I suppose we have to remember we are dropping down a level
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Post by uptheseals on Mar 15, 2018 9:31:58 GMT
Why though he's awful he has been all season apart from 4 alright games Seen more from him than majority of squad, including the high earners. Reality is next season we will see a completely different squad than what we have now. Building, rebuilding, a whole new squad that can challenge for promotion will be a long process. 16+ players aren't going to turn up from nowhere, especially with our budget next season. That means keeping a few on. Dawson is far from the worse, like many have said he's a decent footballer. Chester FC won't be the most attractive club for players to play for next season. I fear next season, like this, will be spent mostly signing out of contracts players from the scrap heap and a few more freebies on loan. We need all we can keep. Give me Crawford and Roberts over Dawson any day no respect for him not just because he's a shite player but because aswell of him liking a tweet from a wrexham fan slagging his players and the club off
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Post by dmcnally on Mar 15, 2018 9:33:32 GMT
Does this imply that the managerial situation has been decided, surely you would expect the manager to have an input in recruitment, or are is recruitment being done in part by the football working group. Can understand the situation with the younger players who have value due to our development of them and the need to protect the club's interest. Would I keep him, probably if in Conf. North. Looks like it’s the board / football working group offering these contracts. Board decision to keep this crop of players which whoever is manager next season will work with. I suppose if they left it to whoever is manager in the summer, the deadline for offering contracts before the deadline for the compensation would’ve long gone.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Mar 15, 2018 9:38:44 GMT
I suspect he has been offered a contract because he is under 24 and has attracted interest from league clubs just hope this is a case of the club covering its back. Certainly hope he gets snapped up.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2018 9:46:51 GMT
I suspect he has been offered a contract because he is under 24 and has attracted interest from league clubs just hope this is a case of the club covering its back. Certainly hope he gets snapped up. He's 24, turns 25 in November. Don't think we'd be entitled to much, if anything
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Post by jb on Mar 15, 2018 10:22:12 GMT
Right that's me off to Nantwich Town FC as well. In all seriousness this is hardly positive news for next season and unlikely to give the feel good factor that is so desperately needed after this shockingly bad season. One of the key factors for our bad season is Dawson's gift for passing the ball to the opposition 99.99% of the time
There are collective groans around me when his name is announced and he's had one good game (Barrow home) in two years. Hardly deserving of a new contract.
It is blindingly obvious that the Football League move was "pie in the sky" from his agent designed to give us another McCarthy type situation (give a deal because there has been a slight murmour that someone else is interested).
Oh and Mancot if Dawson is Zidane in disguise why was he without a club when he came to us? I'd say his performances in the Blue and White over the past two years give the answer.
Are we now going to give Rowe-Turner a new deal as well to really lower the mood even further?
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Post by dmcnally on Mar 15, 2018 10:27:55 GMT
Right that's me off to Nantwich Town FC as well. In all seriousness this is hardly positive news for next season and unlikely to give the feel good factor that is so desperately needed after this shockingly bad season. One of the key factors for our bad season is Dawson's gift for passing the ball to the opposition 99.99% of the time There are collective groans around me when his name is announced and he's had one good game (Barrow home) in two years. Hardly deserving of a new contract. It is blindingly obvious that the Football League move was "pie in the sky" from his agent designed to give us another McCarthy type situation (give a deal because there has been a slight murmour that someone else is interested). Oh and Mancot if Dawson is Zidane in disguise why was he without a club when he came to us? I'd say his performances in the Blue and White over the past two years give the answer. Are we now going to give Rowe-Turner a new deal as well to really lower the mood even further? We signed him from Telford, who’s manager described him as the best midfielder in the Conference North at the time. No chance Rowe-Turner will be here beyond next season. Unless he fancies earning £50 a week. Maybe still not worth it then.
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Post by gezzer on Mar 15, 2018 10:53:36 GMT
I will be very interested to see what our pay structure is like next season given the reduced budget and very likely reduction in income and the interest generated by the players out there. Just as a yardstick I have a couple of mates who play in the Welsh Alliance League who are paid £180/£200 per week for 1 x 2hr training session and the matches.
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Post by bogsnorkel on Mar 15, 2018 11:02:08 GMT
Not my favourite player and no better than CN given his inconsistency , lack of pace and unwillingness/lack of abili8to tackle. Given we look about 95% likely to be in CN next season I can see the sense though hope the money offered is reduced
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Post by Al on Mar 15, 2018 11:03:30 GMT
Not keen on the lad. Hes got ability with a ball but he's nowhere near the standard of Gary Roberts for example.
As a squad player, yeah fair enough. But his distribution has been shocking this season bar that game v Maidenhead
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Post by jb on Mar 15, 2018 11:12:51 GMT
Right that's me off to Nantwich Town FC as well. In all seriousness this is hardly positive news for next season and unlikely to give the feel good factor that is so desperately needed after this shockingly bad season. One of the key factors for our bad season is Dawson's gift for passing the ball to the opposition 99.99% of the time There are collective groans around me when his name is announced and he's had one good game (Barrow home) in two years. Hardly deserving of a new contract. It is blindingly obvious that the Football League move was "pie in the sky" from his agent designed to give us another McCarthy type situation (give a deal because there has been a slight murmour that someone else is interested). Oh and Mancot if Dawson is Zidane in disguise why was he without a club when he came to us? I'd say his performances in the Blue and White over the past two years give the answer. Are we now going to give Rowe-Turner a new deal as well to really lower the mood even further? We signed him from Telford, who’s manager described him as the best midfielder in the Conference North at the time. No chance Rowe-Turner will be here beyond next season. Unless he fancies earning £50 a week. Maybe still not worth it then. Nope. He left Telford in 2016. He was signed by Chester in March 2017. Practically a year without a club.
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Post by Little Blue Boy on Mar 15, 2018 11:55:07 GMT
The bigger worry for me is this suggestion that the football working group are offering players new contracts at this stage of the season. I assume this means that the manager has been told he is staying in the job next season? Because I can't fathom why else we would be offering contracts to 'luxury' players like Dawson for a potential new manager to be burdened with next season.
I can fully understand offering the young lads contracts because of the financial implications (and the fact that they are good footballers), but players like Dawson? If I were a manager applying for this job in the summer I'd be fuming to find out that contracts had already been dished out to players who have been frankly appalling most of the season, before I even arrived.
I don't think Dawson would be a bad player in the Conference North in a team playing with a bit of confidence, but its the timing of this and the manner of it which worries me.
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Post by alancfc on Mar 15, 2018 11:57:51 GMT
Lucas Dawson reminds me of Pirlo, bit of a stretch that I know, but stick with me. Plays the game at the slow Italian pace as displayed by Juve recently against Spurs, he likes to sit in the Hole and dictate the play. The problem is in British football we're use to Central Defensive Mids in that position, who do the dirty work and generally just kick everyone. Lucas wants to pick the ball up off the CB's, get his head up and pick a pass. Problem is we have had virtual no movement off the ball all season, so when he's looking for a runner he finds nothing and instead opts to either pass it sideways or backwards (which frustrates the crowd).
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