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Post by sumo on Jun 21, 2018 11:05:04 GMT
Figures come from the CEO of the Community Trust and Head of the Youth Academy at the club.
Newtown FC make £1000 per month from vending machines selling food and soft drinks to kids and adults using their 3G pitch
Income generation figures of 75k to 100k come from Sutton FC and Bath FC.
Cefn Druids installed a 3G pitch for 470k.
752 watched the match against Bromley so our 5 years in the Conference using the current business model clearly needs a significant change.
So you want to spend at lest half the money on a plastic pitch to sell a few lucozades? The Bromley gate was poor because of the team we had and Man City game on that night. You didnt answer when this cash cow pitch will be free for hire with all our teams using it? And do Supporters actually want to watch games on a plastic pitch? But maybe im wrong, And if we do put one in then we'll have gates of 3k every other week and will have to widen Bumpers Lane to cope with all the traffic due to the shear numbers flocking to the Ground to play on the pitch!! If it was that simple every club at our level would be doing it...... And do Supporters actually want to watch games on a plastic pitch? We are keeping it grass at the Deva, the artificial pitch will be elsewhere.
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Post by bethnalblue on Jun 21, 2018 12:37:26 GMT
So you want to spend at lest half the money on a plastic pitch to sell a few lucozades? The Bromley gate was poor because of the team we had and Man City game on that night. You didnt answer when this cash cow pitch will be free for hire with all our teams using it? And do Supporters actually want to watch games on a plastic pitch? But maybe im wrong, And if we do put one in then we'll have gates of 3k every other week and will have to widen Bumpers Lane to cope with all the traffic due to the shear numbers flocking to the Ground to play on the pitch!! If it was that simple every club at our level would be doing it...... And do Supporters actually want to watch games on a plastic pitch? We are keeping it grass at the Deva, the artificial pitch will be elsewhere. Which just adds to the cost making the idea even more of a pipe dream!!
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Post by inthestand on Jun 21, 2018 14:13:58 GMT
well... to try and bag a load of money for himself in the long term...and if that fails...we are back on our arse again...it seems to be the usual form with these guys......look if he was a week in week out fan with a load of dosh i wouldn't be so worried...but this... "Chester has been good to me...id like to give a bit back"...is total businessman talk bullshit...you hear it so many times...after all what else is a man from the Spanish islands who spends hardly any time in this country going to say...they are like vulchers waiting for their prey......where was he start of last the season...or or the others before that??... [br Bag what money? It's a donation with no return on it. and you actually believe that.. ..
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Post by Sealand Road Veteran on Jun 21, 2018 14:25:26 GMT
And do Supporters actually want to watch games on a plastic pitch? We are keeping it grass at the Deva, the artificial pitch will be elsewhere. Which just adds to the cost making the idea even more of a pipe dream!! You can get grants that will cover the majority of the cost for a 4g
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Post by richard on Jun 21, 2018 14:26:14 GMT
[br Bag what money? It's a donation with no return on it. and you actually believe that.. .. Why shouldn't be believe it when it is true?
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Post by Al on Jun 21, 2018 14:32:11 GMT
[br Bag what money? It's a donation with no return on it. and you actually believe that.. .. Because I know it to be true. Unlike you, making stuff up with absolutely no evidence to back up your wacky theory.
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Post by bethnalblue on Jun 21, 2018 15:15:20 GMT
Which just adds to the cost making the idea even more of a pipe dream!! You can get grants that will cover the majority of the cost for a 4g Can you get a grant to buy land to put it on? And how easy will it be to get a Grant when you publicly announce you've just be given a Million quid. And again if it was all so easy and money making why isnt everyone Club in Non-League doing it
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jun 21, 2018 15:51:10 GMT
You can get grants that will cover the majority of the cost for a 4g Can you get a grant to buy land to put it on? And how easy will it be to get a Grant when you publicly announce you've just be given a Million quid. And again if it was all so easy and money making why isnt everyone Club in Non-League doing it If it was marketed to the council as a community asset, much like our ground is I don't see why the council couldn't free up some land and even contribute to the cost. You're putting up way too many boundaries to have a sensible discussion with so I'll end it here. You carry on in your world of misery and let the people with open minds deal with it...
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Post by bethnalblue on Jun 21, 2018 16:09:15 GMT
Can you get a grant to buy land to put it on? And how easy will it be to get a Grant when you publicly announce you've just be given a Million quid. And again if it was all so easy and money making why isnt everyone Club in Non-League doing it If it was marketed to the council as a community asset, much like our ground is I don't see why the council couldn't free up some land and even contribute to the cost. You're putting up way too many boundaries to have a sensible discussion with so I'll end it here. You carry on in your world of misery and let the people with open minds deal with it... Lets see if we have one in 2 years then. .... But if we do everyone had better pay to park there.
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Post by bethnalblue on Jun 21, 2018 20:20:43 GMT
Can you get a grant to buy land to put it on? And how easy will it be to get a Grant when you publicly announce you've just be given a Million quid. And again if it was all so easy and money making why isnt everyone Club in Non-League doing it If it was marketed to the council as a community asset, much like our ground is I don't see why the council couldn't free up some land and even contribute to the cost. You're putting up way too many boundaries to have a sensible discussion with so I'll end it here. You carry on in your world of misery and let the people with open minds deal with it... So guess im not the only one then.... Jake Wright on deciding to leave Harrogate for York City “It was a big and difficult decision for me, as I had a few options. “But, truthfully, the massive factor in my decision to come to York was to play on a grass pitch again. “The artificial pitch at Harrogate suited my game a lot but, as a young lad, you don’t want to be playing and training on them week in, week out. It was taking a toll on my body and people say they can shorten your career. “I have no problems with anybody at Harrogate though. The club did a lot for me and I have a lot of time for them.
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Post by inthestand on Jun 22, 2018 14:31:43 GMT
and you actually believe that.. .. Because I know it to be true. Unlike you, making stuff up with absolutely no evidence to back up your wacky theory. i haven't made anything up!!...all ive done is question his motives...like ummm this sort of thing were a businessman has come in and promised us everything and nearly bankrupted us has never happened before ...er....or has it?..look im a great supporter of the fan owned model...ok...we picked a bunch of lunatics to run the club in the past...but i still think thats the way forward, if it was you or any other full on Chester fan who had won the lottery and wanted to donate a million quid id be absolute over the moon with that..but come on..businessman living in Majorca talking corporate format, not hands on, and he might be able to lend funds to build the squad...i come here to watch my football team play on grass...not to spend £6.00 on a pint in a plush bar over looking an immaculate turned out gym full of bankers working out.....but if you Know its true fair enough..i hope your crystal ball doesn't go too cloudy over the next three years...
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Post by Gandalf on Jun 22, 2018 14:53:12 GMT
Because I know it to be true. Unlike you, making stuff up with absolutely no evidence to back up your wacky theory. i haven't made anything up!!...all ive done is question his motives...like ummm this sort of thing were a businessman has come in and promised us everything and nearly bankrupted us has never happened before ...er....or has it?..look im a great supporter of the fan owned model...ok...we picked a bunch of lunatics to run the club in the past...but i still think thats the way forward, if it was you or any other full on Chester fan who had won the lottery and wanted to donate a million quid id be absolute over the moon with that..but come on..businessman living in Majorca talking corporate format, not hands on, and he might be able to lend funds to build the squad...i come here to watch my football team play on grass...not to spend £6.00 on a pint in a plush bar over looking an immaculate turned out gym full of bankers working out.....but if you Know its true fair enough..i hope your crystal ball doesn't go too cloudy over the next three years... The only difference being he’s NOT AN OWNER, chill your bean man. The contracts been signed up it’s a donation, he’s not buying the club he has say in how it’s spent but it’s not like he could turn around and say I’m talking control or even I’m taking all the assets back now once it’s been spent. The guy seems genuine and he wants to help. I know you’ve said before “why now” could be a number of reasons but personally after seeing the club go through the financial crisis I would also want to make sure the support is still there from the fans to make this work before giving such a large donation and possibly more importantly my contacts, experience and time. All lot of us would love to help the club more but we can’t dedicate the time or have the resources that this chap has.
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Post by gezzer on Jun 22, 2018 17:40:46 GMT
Because I know it to be true. Unlike you, making stuff up with absolutely no evidence to back up your wacky theory. i haven't made anything up!!...all ive done is question his motives...like ummm this sort of thing were a businessman has come in and promised us everything and nearly bankrupted us has never happened before ...er....or has it?..look im a great supporter of the fan owned model...ok...we picked a bunch of lunatics to run the club in the past...but i still think thats the way forward, if it was you or any other full on Chester fan who had won the lottery and wanted to donate a million quid id be absolute over the moon with that..but come on..businessman living in Majorca talking corporate format, not hands on, and he might be able to lend funds to build the squad...i come here to watch my football team play on grass...not to spend £6.00 on a pint in a plush bar over looking an immaculate turned out gym full of bankers working out.....but if you Know its true fair enough..i hope your crystal ball doesn't go too cloudy over the next three years... Gibraltar
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Post by cooperman on Jun 22, 2018 17:45:11 GMT
new guttering and downpipes being fitted soon
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Post by dmcnally on Jun 22, 2018 18:24:18 GMT
Because I know it to be true. Unlike you, making stuff up with absolutely no evidence to back up your wacky theory. i haven't made anything up!!...all ive done is question his motives...like ummm this sort of thing were a businessman has come in and promised us everything and nearly bankrupted us has never happened before ...er....or has it?..look im a great supporter of the fan owned model...ok...we picked a bunch of lunatics to run the club in the past...but i still think thats the way forward, if it was you or any other full on Chester fan who had won the lottery and wanted to donate a million quid id be absolute over the moon with that..but come on..businessman living in Majorca talking corporate format, not hands on, and he might be able to lend funds to build the squad...i come here to watch my football team play on grass...not to spend £6.00 on a pint in a plush bar over looking an immaculate turned out gym full of bankers working out.....but if you Know its true fair enough..i hope your crystal ball doesn't go too cloudy over the next three years... Don’t know what to say here other than love how you make it sound dodgy with him living in Majorca but conveniently miss out the factor he’s an entrepreneur from Chester who was the stadium sponsor not long ago!! Brilliant
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jun 22, 2018 20:41:41 GMT
I can understand an air of suspicion from some given our recent past with "rich benefactors" but the crucial point here is we, the fans, still own 100% of the football club.
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Post by bluejay on Jun 22, 2018 21:16:25 GMT
I can understand an air of suspicion from some given our recent past with "rich benefactors" but the crucial point here is we, the fans, still own 100% of the football club. Nothing will reassure some people. Save your breath
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Post by sumo on Jun 23, 2018 0:25:22 GMT
If it was marketed to the council as a community asset, much like our ground is I don't see why the council couldn't free up some land and even contribute to the cost. You're putting up way too many boundaries to have a sensible discussion with so I'll end it here. You carry on in your world of misery and let the people with open minds deal with it... So guess im not the only one then.... Jake Wright on deciding to leave Harrogate for York City “It was a big and difficult decision for me, as I had a few options. “But, truthfully, the massive factor in my decision to come to York was to play on a grass pitch again. “The artificial pitch at Harrogate suited my game a lot but, as a young lad, you don’t want to be playing and training on them week in, week out. It was taking a toll on my body and people say they can shorten your career. “I have no problems with anybody at Harrogate though. The club did a lot for me and I have a lot of time for them. We are keeping the grass at the Deva you IDIOT.
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Post by bethnalblue on Jun 23, 2018 5:39:44 GMT
So guess im not the only one then.... Jake Wright on deciding to leave Harrogate for York City “It was a big and difficult decision for me, as I had a few options. “But, truthfully, the massive factor in my decision to come to York was to play on a grass pitch again. “The artificial pitch at Harrogate suited my game a lot but, as a young lad, you don’t want to be playing and training on them week in, week out. It was taking a toll on my body and people say they can shorten your career. “I have no problems with anybody at Harrogate though. The club did a lot for me and I have a lot of time for them. We are keeping the grass at the Deva you IDIOT. Read the whole history of this thread before replying to one post you Muppet. Its about having 3/4g pitch anywhere not just at the Ground.
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Post by sqzl on Jun 23, 2018 7:37:29 GMT
In football land £1m is not a massive amount of cash even at this level. The aim of this donation is to make the club sustainable going forward therefore any project needs careful consideration, costed and market research to ascertain the return on investment that is right for the club. Attendances will always rise and fall (even in the Evo Stik winning season the average fell on previous year). The biggest asset the club has is the stadium and surrounding land that sits idle for all but 30 odd days a year, the trick is to open it up to the wider community year round. As Stuart is keeping hold of the purse strings, would be interesting to hear/see what his ideas are. Also for any Accountants out there, is the donation taxable? If it is then a massive chunk of £1m will be at risk Depends if the donation is viewed as a gift, and even then it’s possible to be taxed on it in some circumstances. If we were a charity, it wouldn’t be taxed but as we are not, it’s very likely we will be.
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Post by gezzer on Jun 23, 2018 8:22:33 GMT
In football land £1m is not a massive amount of cash even at this level. The aim of this donation is to make the club sustainable going forward therefore any project needs careful consideration, costed and market research to ascertain the return on investment that is right for the club. Attendances will always rise and fall (even in the Evo Stik winning season the average fell on previous year). The biggest asset the club has is the stadium and surrounding land that sits idle for all but 30 odd days a year, the trick is to open it up to the wider community year round. As Stuart is keeping hold of the purse strings, would be interesting to hear/see what his ideas are. Also for any Accountants out there, is the donation taxable? If it is then a massive chunk of £1m will be at risk Depends if the donation is viewed as a gift, and even then it’s possible to be taxed on it in some circumstances. If we were a charity, it wouldn’t be taxed but as we are not, it’s very likely we will be. OK thanks, some creative (legal obviously) accounting required to maximise the donation.
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Post by dmcnally on Jun 23, 2018 9:02:04 GMT
So guess im not the only one then.... Jake Wright on deciding to leave Harrogate for York City “It was a big and difficult decision for me, as I had a few options. “But, truthfully, the massive factor in my decision to come to York was to play on a grass pitch again. “The artificial pitch at Harrogate suited my game a lot but, as a young lad, you don’t want to be playing and training on them week in, week out. It was taking a toll on my body and people say they can shorten your career. “I have no problems with anybody at Harrogate though. The club did a lot for me and I have a lot of time for them. We are keeping the grass at the Deva you IDIOT. Possibly not. Changing our pitch to 3G/4G is an option our community trust CEO has said on Twitter himself. Much cheaper as floodlights, fencing etc all in place already, but comes with the obvious drawbacks.
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Post by bethnalblue on Jun 23, 2018 9:10:36 GMT
We are keeping the grass at the Deva you IDIOT. Possibly not. Changing our pitch to 3G/4G is an option our community trust CEO has said on Twitter himself. Much cheaper as floodlights, fencing etc all in place already, but comes with the obvious drawbacks. Dont think he has a lot if any say in it to be fair!! And they still cost a lot regardless if going down at existing site. You've been to Sutton and the other clubs do you want to watch games on one every week?
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Post by dmcnally on Jun 23, 2018 9:16:23 GMT
Possibly not. Changing our pitch to 3G/4G is an option our community trust CEO has said on Twitter himself. Much cheaper as floodlights, fencing etc all in place already, but comes with the obvious drawbacks. Dont think he has a lot if any say in it to be fair!! And they still cost a lot regardless if going down at existing site. You've been to Sutton and the other clubs do you want to watch games on one every week? Simple answer no, if I was to go down the 4G pitch route I'd try for a community asset transfer.
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Post by Al on Jun 23, 2018 9:32:27 GMT
Makes more sense for it to replace the existing pitch when you take into consideration such things as the floodlight facilities, changing rooms, bar, that are already in place within the existing ground.
Why would it make any difference watching us play on grass or a 4G/Hybrid pitch? As per Bern and Jono theybe publicly stated that it would give us an advantage over other sides who don't have one.
Also BB. I can speak for other clubs, but why should we not do something just because other clubs don't? We're not other clubs, we do things our way, not their way
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Post by dmcnally on Jun 23, 2018 9:47:06 GMT
To be fair, the main reason most other clubs don't have one is because they can't fork out £500 odd k... or £500m in your opinion BB.
It's not common you're handed a million, which is why we can discuss something like this unlike other non-league clubs.
If every non-league club was given a million quid you'd see a lot more 4G pitches.
The highest revenue I've seen achieved from a 4G pitch is £165k per annum- managed correctly we should get close to a six figure sum. Feel like having at the ground makes so much more business sense even if people are against that. Floodlights, fencing, bar etc all there makes it so much cheaper. People get to play at a 5,000 capacity stadium not just an open field like Christleton etc.
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Post by bethnalblue on Jun 23, 2018 9:48:14 GMT
Makes more sense for it to replace the existing pitch when you take into consideration such things as the floodlight facilities, changing rooms, bar, that are already in place within the existing ground. Why would it make any difference watching us play on grass or a 4G/Hybrid pitch? As per Bern and Jono theybe publicly stated that it would give us an advantage over other sides who don't have one. Also BB. I can speak for other clubs, but why should we not do something just because other clubs don't? We're not other clubs, we do things our way, not their way Have a look at Maidstone Utd's home record over last 2 years and see if it gives them an advantage? And yeah your right doing "Things our way" has worked well last couple of years eh..... Would love to see a vote from the supporters about what they would rather have, Grass or Plastic?
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Post by Al on Jun 23, 2018 10:01:59 GMT
To be fair, the main reason most other clubs don't have one is because they can't fork out £500 odd k... or £500m in your opinion BB. It's not common you're handed a million, which is why we can discuss something like this unlike other non-league clubs. If every non-league club was given a million quid you'd see a lot more 4G pitches. The highest revenue I've seen achieved from a 4G pitch is £165k per annum- managed correctly we should get close to a six figure sum. Feel like having at the ground makes so much more business sense even if people are against that. Floodlights, fencing, bar etc all there makes it so much cheaper. People get to play at a 5,000 capacity stadium not just an open field like Christleton etc. A sensible post with figures to back it up.
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Post by bethnalblue on Jun 23, 2018 10:19:59 GMT
To be fair, the main reason most other clubs don't have one is because they can't fork out £500 odd k... or £500m in your opinion BB. It's not common you're handed a million, which is why we can discuss something like this unlike other non-league clubs. If every non-league club was given a million quid you'd see a lot more 4G pitches. The highest revenue I've seen achieved from a 4G pitch is £165k per annum- managed correctly we should get close to a six figure sum. Feel like having at the ground makes so much more business sense even if people are against that. Floodlights, fencing, bar etc all there makes it so much cheaper. People get to play at a 5,000 capacity stadium not just an open field like Christleton etc. Agree that if we have to have one then probably best at The Deva. As for most non-league Clubs putting one in if they had a Million donated, Probably the Club who's spent more than anyone in last few years Eastleigh havent bothered with one, despite the recently departed owner spending loads on projects to make them more sustainable and there ongoing drainage problems. And surely if they cost a little as you seem to think they do, make so much money and Grants are easy to get as Al suggests then its a "no brainer" for most clubs to get one
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jun 23, 2018 10:37:46 GMT
Makes more sense for it to replace the existing pitch when you take into consideration such things as the floodlight facilities, changing rooms, bar, that are already in place within the existing ground. Why would it make any difference watching us play on grass or a 4G/Hybrid pitch? As per Bern and Jono theybe publicly stated that it would give us an advantage over other sides who don't have one. Also BB. I can speak for other clubs, but why should we not do something just because other clubs don't? We're not other clubs, we do things our way, not their way Have a look at Maidstone Utd's home record over last 2 years and see if it gives them an advantage? And yeah your right doing "Things our way" has worked well last couple of years eh..... Would love to see a vote from the supporters about what they would rather have, Grass or Plastic? Agree with putting it to the members vote, I would personally vote against.
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