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Post by Imperial on Jun 23, 2018 11:26:45 GMT
My main concern is that it would prevent us ever being able to achieve promotion back into the league without ripping it up & relaying grass. League 2 has been stated as the (eventual) objective so to install a 3G/4G pitch seems counter intuitive.
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Post by Al on Jun 23, 2018 11:44:09 GMT
To be fair, the main reason most other clubs don't have one is because they can't fork out £500 odd k... or £500m in your opinion BB. It's not common you're handed a million, which is why we can discuss something like this unlike other non-league clubs. If every non-league club was given a million quid you'd see a lot more 4G pitches. The highest revenue I've seen achieved from a 4G pitch is £165k per annum- managed correctly we should get close to a six figure sum. Feel like having at the ground makes so much more business sense even if people are against that. Floodlights, fencing, bar etc all there makes it so much cheaper. People get to play at a 5,000 capacity stadium not just an open field like Christleton etc. Agree that if we have to have one then probably best at The Deva. As for most non-league Clubs putting one in if they had a Million donated, Probably the Club who's spent more than anyone in last few years Eastleigh havent bothered with one, despite the recently departed owner spending loads on projects to make them more sustainable and there ongoing drainage problems. And surely if they cost a little as you seem to think they do, make so much money and Grants are easy to get as Al suggests then its a "no brainer" for most clubs to get one I didn't say they were easy to get. I said that obtaining grants would mean it wouldn't cost the majority of that donated cash.
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Post by sqzl on Jun 23, 2018 12:11:15 GMT
Depends if the donation is viewed as a gift, and even then it’s possible to be taxed on it in some circumstances. If we were a charity, it wouldn’t be taxed but as we are not, it’s very likely we will be. OK thanks, some creative (legal obviously) accounting required to maximise the donation. There are so many loopholes to be exploited. Such as donating in bundles of a certain figure. It’s not really best practice for any accountant to suggest that to the club but it’s the real world and from a business perspective I’d expect us to exploit those donation “gift” loopholes.
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Post by Hannibal on Jun 23, 2018 20:01:39 GMT
I'm glad no one has suggested a Subway under the main stand.
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Post by Paul Da Part on Jun 24, 2018 7:15:14 GMT
Forgive me if I’m wrong but isn’t this £1million spread over 4 payments? £250,000 a year, so why would we spend a years instalment on a pitch? Or am I completely wrong here?
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Post by Al on Jun 24, 2018 7:23:02 GMT
Forgive me if I’m wrong but isn’t this £1million spread over 4 payments? £250,000 a year, so why would we spend a years instalment on a pitch? Or am I completely wrong here? £1 million over 3 years. But has said more is available should any project need it
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Post by Al on Jun 24, 2018 7:26:55 GMT
Well the club haven't said they're changing the pitch. There are other more important (phase one) projects that I believe Stuart Murphy and Board have identified. Going off his interview in the paper of course he has said he wants 70% of the infrastructure worl complete within 12 months.
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Post by inthestand on Jun 27, 2018 12:43:32 GMT
I can understand an air of suspicion from some given our recent past with "rich benefactors" but the crucial point here is we, the fans, still own 100% of the football club. SO Far...but watch this space...first move will be ownership of the ground...
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Post by cemlynblue on Jun 27, 2018 13:00:20 GMT
new guttering and downpipes being fitted soon Was only a matter of time mate.
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Post by richard on Jun 27, 2018 13:40:30 GMT
I can understand an air of suspicion from some given our recent past with "rich benefactors" but the crucial point here is we, the fans, still own 100% of the football club. SO Far...but watch this space...first move will be ownership of the ground... Total and utter rubbish. No change of ownership of any sort. Still, let's see what else you can make up in your very own version of fantasy land.
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Post by Al on Jun 27, 2018 14:13:04 GMT
I can understand an air of suspicion from some given our recent past with "rich benefactors" but the crucial point here is we, the fans, still own 100% of the football club. SO Far...but watch this space...first move will be ownership of the ground... Load. Of. Bollocks.
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Post by inthestand on Jun 28, 2018 14:11:21 GMT
SO Far...but watch this space...first move will be ownership of the ground... Load. Of. Bollocks. exactly what i said when Vaughn and the american nut case took charge...
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Post by Al on Jun 28, 2018 14:26:19 GMT
exactly what i said when Vaughn and the american nut case took charge... You're a fantasist mate.
The guy DONATING the money hasn't taken charge. Despite numerous people telling you this you continue to post this drivel.
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Post by inthestand on Jun 28, 2018 15:01:41 GMT
i haven't said he has taken charge...all im saying is that a "supporter" with a load of cash has come in and donated a load of "cash" for "infrastructure".. when we are funnily enough on our asses....dont know where he has been for this amount of time as his "cash" may have helped stave off relegation...doesn't come to matches, lives abroad,wants to put 4 G pitches in and redevelop the ground in a council owned property??...and wont be hands on....all im saying...i smell a rat...yet everybody has suddenly forgotten our past so soon...
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Post by Al on Jun 28, 2018 15:16:34 GMT
i haven't said he has taken charge...all im saying is that a "supporter" with a load of cash has come in and donated a load of "cash" for "infrastructure".. when we are funnily enough on our asses....dont know where he has been for this amount of time as his "cash" may have helped stave off relegation...doesn't come to matches, lives abroad,wants to put 4 G pitches in and redevelop the ground in a council owned property??...and wont be hands on....all im saying...i smell a rat...yet everybody has suddenly forgotten our past so soon... Believe what you want then. You've had a director of the club reply to you on this very thread rubbishing what you have said.
The next 12 months promises to be a very exciting time in the history of this club in my opinion. Thanks, directly to the involvement of the generous donation from Stuart Murphy. Infrastructure work that this football club has been crying out for.
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Post by inthestand on Jun 29, 2018 11:15:55 GMT
i haven't said he has taken charge...all im saying is that a "supporter" with a load of cash has come in and donated a load of "cash" for "infrastructure".. when we are funnily enough on our asses....dont know where he has been for this amount of time as his "cash" may have helped stave off relegation...doesn't come to matches, lives abroad,wants to put 4 G pitches in and redevelop the ground in a council owned property??...and wont be hands on....all im saying...i smell a rat...yet everybody has suddenly forgotten our past so soon... Believe what you want then. You've had a director of the club reply to you on this very thread rubbishing what you have said.
The next 12 months promises to be a very exciting time in the history of this club in my opinion. Thanks, directly to the involvement of the generous donation from Stuart Murphy. Infrastructure work that this football club has been crying out for.
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Post by happyclapper52 on Jun 29, 2018 13:35:35 GMT
Believe what you want then. You've had a director of the club reply to you on this very thread rubbishing what you have said.
The next 12 months promises to be a very exciting time in the history of this club in my opinion. Thanks, directly to the involvement of the generous donation from Stuart Murphy. Infrastructure work that this football club has been crying out for.
I smell a goat !
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Post by Dodge on Jun 29, 2018 13:56:42 GMT
I'm confused about the intention of the donation, is it things that will benefit the club or does it have to have a financial return for sustainability?
The disabled viewing platform for example is a priority for most, but surely if we're looking at it from purely a commercial point of view, it's a non starter? I can't imagine there's a plethora of potential disabled supporters waiting for a lift to be installed before attending games, instead it would be to improve the matchday experience for current disabled fans, which wouldn't generate any extra income.
I think it's totally the right thing to do but don't see it ever returning £2 for every £1 it costs, so then it surely can't be that important that the donation yields a return?
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Post by Hannibal on Jun 29, 2018 14:05:32 GMT
I'm confused about the intention of the donation, is it things that will benefit the club or does it have to have a financial return for sustainability? The disabled viewing platform for example is a priority for most, but surely if we're looking at it from purely a commercial point of view, it's a non starter? I can't imagine there's a plethora of potential disabled supporters waiting for a lift to be installed before attending games, instead it would be to improve the matchday experience for current disabled fans, which wouldn't generate any extra income. I think it's totally the right thing to do but don't see it ever returning £2 for every £1 it costs, so then it surely can't be that important that the donation yields a return? Perhaps the project will be funded by some of the additional revenue that will be generated.
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Post by Al on Jun 29, 2018 16:19:25 GMT
I'm confused about the intention of the donation, is it things that will benefit the club or does it have to have a financial return for sustainability? The disabled viewing platform for example is a priority for most, but surely if we're looking at it from purely a commercial point of view, it's a non starter? I can't imagine there's a plethora of potential disabled supporters waiting for a lift to be installed before attending games, instead it would be to improve the matchday experience for current disabled fans, which wouldn't generate any extra income. I think it's totally the right thing to do but don't see it ever returning £2 for every £1 it costs, so then it surely can't be that important that the donation yields a return? Perhaps the project will be funded by some of the additional revenue that will be generated. Or perhaps the disabled viewing platform and lift will be part of a bigger revenue generating project?
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Post by bluejay on Jun 29, 2018 18:35:25 GMT
Perhaps the project will be funded by some of the additional revenue that will be generated. Or perhaps the disabled viewing platform and lift will be part of a bigger revenue generating project? I can believe the donation is done with the best of intentions but can't see many easy wins to make returns (for the club )on money spent. I think once we have some more details it might reassure some of the more paranoid fans (if that's even possible). Has it been decided what to spend the money on? What is the process for deciding?
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Post by Matt on Jun 30, 2018 14:56:50 GMT
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Post by trublu on Jun 30, 2018 16:41:52 GMT
Perhaps the project will be funded by some of the additional revenue that will be generated. Or perhaps the disabled viewing platform and lift will be part of a bigger revenue generating project? Would there be some potential to extend the current office building behind the main stand, with works to include the viewing platform at the back of the stand, possible extension of the blues bar, and perhaps some events/meeting space to generate income aside from football activities as well? I could certainly see something along those lines being possible.
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Post by ivawhopper on Jun 30, 2018 17:19:38 GMT
I don’t agree with a word that inthestand has said, but given all of the past with previous owners an totally understand why some people may be skeptical of motives and let’s be honest, over the past 30 years, we haven’t had much go our way have we. Hopefully when some of these project start to come to fruition, then the skeptics will be won over.
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Post by inthestand on Jul 2, 2018 13:53:22 GMT
I don’t agree with a word that inthestand has said, but given all of the past with previous owners an totally understand why some people may be skeptical of motives and let’s be honest, over the past 30 years, we haven’t had much go our way have we. Hopefully when some of these project start to come to fruition, then the skeptics will be won over. im not disagreeing with anyone..im just very very concerned...its just in the past we have looked at things through rose tinted glasses...Vaughan, Smith and all the rest of the idiots who have been here all forgotten...and we arnt even questing this a little bit...how many times do we have to get rolled over...so you and me sitting in a pub...i tell you ive just come into a lot of money and want to give a million of it to our football club...first thing you will think of is...strikers, wingers ..getting a great team together to bounce right back....but then i tell you...oh i want the money to go into improving the disabled facilities,and getting an extension on the bar..and we need a bit of rendering in places and other stuff we wont go into just yet... and also i have a strange fixation with 4 G.pitches, so we can get one of those too....that should get the crowds flooding back...then you ask...will we have a bit left over for team building...ummm yes...i say.. almost certainly...i look at your face....you are bit disappointed .. ..now can you imagine a businessman saying all that to you....so yes i am a skeptic...and i need winning over.....and that is down to time im afraid...
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Post by happyclapper52 on Jul 2, 2018 15:21:45 GMT
I don’t agree with a word that inthestand has said, but given all of the past with previous owners an totally understand why some people may be skeptical of motives and let’s be honest, over the past 30 years, we haven’t had much go our way have we. Hopefully when some of these project start to come to fruition, then the skeptics will be won over. im not disagreeing with anyone..im just very very concerned...its just in the past we have looked at things through rose tinted glasses...Vaughan, Smith and all the rest of the idiots who have been here all forgotten...and we arnt even questing this a little bit...how many times do we have to get rolled over...so you and me sitting in a pub...i tell you ive just come into a lot of money and want to give a million of it to our football club...first thing you will think of is...strikers, wingers ..getting a great team together to bounce right back....but then i tell you...oh i want the money to go into improving the disabled facilities,and getting an extension on the bar..and we need a bit of rendering in places and other stuff we wont go into just yet... and also i have a strange fixation with 4 G.pitches, so we can get one of those too....that should get the crowds flooding back...then you ask...will we have a bit left over for team building...ummm yes...i say.. almost certainly...i look at your face....you are bit disappointed .. ..now can you imagine a businessman saying all that to you....so yes i am a skeptic...and i need winning over.....and that is down to time im afraid... Goat shit talking out of your arse son. So stuart has only just come into some money ? Try doing some company research on him. The "fixation" about artificial pitches is not about the first team but enabling use of the stadium facilities 7 days a week ? Do the disabled facilities require urgent attention ? Too right !!! You are such a clueless goat.
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Post by Al on Jul 2, 2018 17:26:25 GMT
I don’t agree with a word that inthestand has said, but given all of the past with previous owners an totally understand why some people may be skeptical of motives and let’s be honest, over the past 30 years, we haven’t had much go our way have we. Hopefully when some of these project start to come to fruition, then the skeptics will be won over. im not disagreeing with anyone..im just very very concerned...its just in the past we have looked at things through rose tinted glasses...Vaughan, Smith and all the rest of the idiots who have been here all forgotten...and we arnt even questing this a little bit...how many times do we have to get rolled over...so you and me sitting in a pub...i tell you ive just come into a lot of money and want to give a million of it to our football club...first thing you will think of is...strikers, wingers ..getting a great team together to bounce right back....but then i tell you...oh i want the money to go into improving the disabled facilities,and getting an extension on the bar..and we need a bit of rendering in places and other stuff we wont go into just yet... and also i have a strange fixation with 4 G.pitches, so we can get one of those too....that should get the crowds flooding back...then you ask...will we have a bit left over for team building...ummm yes...i say.. almost certainly...i look at your face....you are bit disappointed .. ..now can you imagine a businessman saying all that to you....so yes i am a skeptic...and i need winning over.....and that is down to time im afraid... Fair play fella you really haven't got a clue what you're talking about.
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Post by Hannibal on Jul 2, 2018 18:18:59 GMT
Or perhaps the disabled viewing platform and lift will be part of a bigger revenue generating project? I can believe the donation is done with the best of intentions but can't see many easy wins to make returns (for the club )on money spent. I think once we have some more details it might reassure some of the more paranoid fans (if that's even possible). Has it been decided what to spend the money on? What is the process for deciding? That's why you're probably not a multi-millionaire mate.
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Post by inthestand on Jul 3, 2018 15:38:56 GMT
I can believe the donation is done with the best of intentions but can't see many easy wins to make returns (for the club )on money spent. I think once we have some more details it might reassure some of the more paranoid fans (if that's even possible). Has it been decided what to spend the money on? What is the process for deciding? That's why you're probably not a multi-millionaire mate.
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Post by bluejay on Jul 3, 2018 17:04:47 GMT
I can believe the donation is done with the best of intentions but can't see many easy wins to make returns (for the club )on money spent. I think once we have some more details it might reassure some of the more paranoid fans (if that's even possible). Has it been decided what to spend the money on? What is the process for deciding? That's why you're probably not a multi-millionaire mate. Aha! First time i've been a victim of some of the ruder posts on here. Congratulations. I might not have millions but I am responsible for a budget of around £13m a year. My point (which I will give you the benefit you might have misunderstood) was that in Capex terms I hadn't even heard rumours of projects that would "pay back £2 for every £1 invested". As one of the owners of the club I think that's a fair observation. I will be delighted to hear how the money is going to be spent and will be 100% behind the developments. I just don't know what they are yet (apart from downpipes!) Do you hate accountants?
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