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Post by iandychesterfc on Mar 20, 2017 13:33:36 GMT
I've tried very hard of late to try to avoid being overly negative when talking about Chester. I can appreciate some people are becoming tired of what they view as constant negativity or digs at the club and have tried to add some balance when plausible.
We all know this season has been an improvement on the last, despite the recent results from either playing with formations, injuries or loss of form. I'm happy with the manager, perhaps 2.5 years is a bit of a push but he's done well with no resources and the main thing is he hasn't moaned about it constantly. I like that he will defend his players to the hilt, even in the face of obvious areas of concern, because this is a young squad which needs that approach. Lloyd choosing Macca over Burr for less money tells you a lot in my view.
Andy Ruscoe and Jim Green are doing their bit to resurrect the community trust side and are getting Chester out to the kids.
Every single thread comes back to these positive aspects, they cannot be doubted (in my view).
I then sat there on Saturday.
During the most dullest of games, with no shots in the first half and a very Mark Wright feel to it (although we'd have won 1-0 then and put up with it) and looked around the ground and saw all the gaps and wondered, why do i bother?
It was a shocking moment to be fair, but i sat there and thought about the commitment of time and money I give to this club and I just thought it was all pretty pointless.
Apathy breeds apathy which then on breeds contempt.
Not getting over dramatic here, I'll be very open and say i wasn't 'blue from birth' or any of that. I followed Chester because i liked football and my uncle brought me and i loved the buzz of live football over TV. I watched us get relegated and come back up again, the chaos of that first season back and unending drama thereafter.
I haven't followed Chester when nothing has been happening.
And yet, despite pre-season hoping for mid-table obscurity I sat there watching a nothing game with no atmosphere whatsoever and couldn't get away from the fact that if this had been the type of game my uncle brought me to all those years ago, I wouldn't be following Chester now.
Watching your local club does have aspects of loyalty and belonging, but faced with a deluge of live TV football turning up to an empty stadium and paying a premium is literally only for the hard-core.
I'd like to think i'm hard-core. I'm a season ticket holder and have been for 10 years plus. I've played for, captained and managed the supporter's team for 11 years. I've followed Chester home and away, to some absolute holes getting up at 7am to go play a supporters match beforehand and taking out my full saturday dedicated to Chester. Yet, here i am, sat there on Saturday wondering what the point is.
I'm not saying i'll stop going, I know that won't happen.
But this isn't what i signed up for. All i'm hearing for next season is not progression, but regression - a smaller squad, tighter budget and lower crowds.
It's very hard to get motivated faced with that. If i didn't buy a season ticket, I do wonder how many games i'd miss. I've got friends who've followed Chester longer than me who just aren't going any more. I mean these are fans who used to go everywhere, to every game.
It's not just because there is nothing to play for, this has been happening all season. It's the apathy from the club at present that - this is our lot - this is it - we have to make do. There's a significant like of drive and ideas coming from the club. There's plenty from the fans, we've all tried to come up with ideas - i should mention i've discussed matters at length with directors in the past and understand some of the constraints but unfortunately there's only so many times you can hear 'no' before you stop bothering.
I said all this on a "crossroads" thread last year on the old DC so it's nothing new. That was a great discussion which Jim Green turned into an article and yet we're still plodding along doing the same old tired things whilst watching the club's fanbase die away.
NWAS got some stick for that, and I may for this, but thats how it feels at the moment. Falling crowds, falling budgets and nothing other than pie in the sky talk or the hilarious 'pipelines'.
I'm fed up, and i'm having a moan. Plenty are happy with the status quo or are just happy with a club to support look where we were 7 years ago etc. Credit you guys, honestly, no digs - but i can't sit there in sub 2000s and possible sub 1500 tuesday and find it anything other than a chore.
As i said, apathy will breed contempt at some stage.
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Post by Hannibal on Mar 20, 2017 14:13:46 GMT
I've tried very hard of late to try to avoid being overly negative when talking about Chester. I can appreciate some people are becoming tired of what they view as constant negativity or digs at the club and have tried to add some balance when plausible. We all know this season has been an improvement on the last, despite the recent results from either playing with formations, injuries or loss of form. I'm happy with the manager, perhaps 2.5 years is a bit of a push but he's done well with no resources and the main thing is he hasn't moaned about it constantly. I like that he will defend his players to the hilt, even in the face of obvious areas of concern, because this is a young squad which needs that approach. Lloyd choosing Macca over Burr for less money tells you a lot in my view. Andy Ruscoe and Jim Green are doing their bit to resurrect the community trust side and are getting Chester out to the kids. Every single thread comes back to these positive aspects, they cannot be doubted (in my view). I then sat there on Saturday. During the most dullest of games, with no shots in the first half and a very Mark Wright feel to it (although we'd have won 1-0 then and put up with it) and looked around the ground and saw all the gaps and wondered, why do i bother? It was a shocking moment to be fair, but i sat there and thought about the commitment of time and money I give to this club and I just thought it was all pretty pointless. Apathy breeds apathy which then on breeds contempt. Not getting over dramatic here, I'll be very open and say i wasn't 'blue from birth' or any of that. I followed Chester because i liked football and my uncle brought me and i loved the buzz of live football over TV. I watched us get relegated and come back up again, the chaos of that first season back and unending drama thereafter. I haven't followed Chester when nothing has been happening. And yet, despite pre-season hoping for mid-table obscurity I sat there watching a nothing game with no atmosphere whatsoever and couldn't get away from the fact that if this had been the type of game my uncle brought me to all those years ago, I wouldn't be following Chester now. Watching your local club does have aspects of loyalty and belonging, but faced with a deluge of live TV football turning up to an empty stadium and paying a premium is literally only for the hard-core. I'd like to think i'm hard-core. I'm a season ticket holder and have been for 10 years plus. I've played for, captained and managed the supporter's team for 11 years. I've followed Chester home and away, to some absolute holes getting up at 7am to go play a supporters match beforehand and taking out my full saturday dedicated to Chester. Yet, here i am, sat there on Saturday wondering what the point is. I'm not saying i'll stop going, I know that won't happen. But this isn't what i signed up for. All i'm hearing for next season is not progression, but regression - a smaller squad, tighter budget and lower crowds. It's very hard to get motivated faced with that. If i didn't buy a season ticket, I do wonder how many games i'd miss. I've got friends who've followed Chester longer than me who just aren't going any more. I mean these are fans who used to go everywhere, to every game. It's not just because there is nothing to play for, this has been happening all season. It's the apathy from the club at present that - this is our lot - this is it - we have to make do. There's a significant like of drive and ideas coming from the club. There's plenty from the fans, we've all tried to come up with ideas - i should mention i've discussed matters at length with directors in the past and understand some of the constraints but unfortunately there's only so many times you can hear 'no' before you stop bothering. I said all this on a "crossroads" thread last year on the old DC so it's nothing new. That was a great discussion which Jim Green turned into an article and yet we're still plodding along doing the same old tired things whilst watching the club's fanbase die away. NWAS got some stick for that, and I may for this, but thats how it feels at the moment. Falling crowds, falling budgets and nothing other than pie in the sky talk or the hilarious 'pipelines'. I'm fed up, and i'm having a moan. Plenty are happy with the status quo or are just happy with a club to support look where we were 7 years ago etc. Credit you guys, honestly, no digs - but i can't sit there in sub 2000s and possible sub 1500 tuesday and find it anything other than a chore. As i said, apathy will breed contempt at some stage. Your not on your own ... this is exactly how I feel and I've been mainly suffering for 57 years now. I wonder what the CEO is doing to justify his salary. I'm told he talks the talk, but wouldn't the money we are paying him be better off going into the playing budget? I've always bought a season ticket and will probably buy one again next season, but I wouldn't blame anyone who didn't. I'm taking my son to York Railway Museum tomorrow and will be dashing back here to watch us, but I wonder why I bother |
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Post by Jack on Mar 20, 2017 15:26:43 GMT
I've tried very hard of late to try to avoid being overly negative when talking about Chester. I can appreciate some people are becoming tired of what they view as constant negativity or digs at the club and have tried to add some balance when plausible. We all know this season has been an improvement on the last, despite the recent results from either playing with formations, injuries or loss of form. I'm happy with the manager, perhaps 2.5 years is a bit of a push but he's done well with no resources and the main thing is he hasn't moaned about it constantly. I like that he will defend his players to the hilt, even in the face of obvious areas of concern, because this is a young squad which needs that approach. Lloyd choosing Macca over Burr for less money tells you a lot in my view. Andy Ruscoe and Jim Green are doing their bit to resurrect the community trust side and are getting Chester out to the kids. Every single thread comes back to these positive aspects, they cannot be doubted (in my view). I then sat there on Saturday. During the most dullest of games, with no shots in the first half and a very Mark Wright feel to it (although we'd have won 1-0 then and put up with it) and looked around the ground and saw all the gaps and wondered, why do i bother? It was a shocking moment to be fair, but i sat there and thought about the commitment of time and money I give to this club and I just thought it was all pretty pointless. Apathy breeds apathy which then on breeds contempt. Not getting over dramatic here, I'll be very open and say i wasn't 'blue from birth' or any of that. I followed Chester because i liked football and my uncle brought me and i loved the buzz of live football over TV. I watched us get relegated and come back up again, the chaos of that first season back and unending drama thereafter. I haven't followed Chester when nothing has been happening. And yet, despite pre-season hoping for mid-table obscurity I sat there watching a nothing game with no atmosphere whatsoever and couldn't get away from the fact that if this had been the type of game my uncle brought me to all those years ago, I wouldn't be following Chester now. Watching your local club does have aspects of loyalty and belonging, but faced with a deluge of live TV football turning up to an empty stadium and paying a premium is literally only for the hard-core. I'd like to think i'm hard-core. I'm a season ticket holder and have been for 10 years plus. I've played for, captained and managed the supporter's team for 11 years. I've followed Chester home and away, to some absolute holes getting up at 7am to go play a supporters match beforehand and taking out my full saturday dedicated to Chester. Yet, here i am, sat there on Saturday wondering what the point is. I'm not saying i'll stop going, I know that won't happen. But this isn't what i signed up for. All i'm hearing for next season is not progression, but regression - a smaller squad, tighter budget and lower crowds. It's very hard to get motivated faced with that. If i didn't buy a season ticket, I do wonder how many games i'd miss. I've got friends who've followed Chester longer than me who just aren't going any more. I mean these are fans who used to go everywhere, to every game. It's not just because there is nothing to play for, this has been happening all season. It's the apathy from the club at present that - this is our lot - this is it - we have to make do. There's a significant like of drive and ideas coming from the club. There's plenty from the fans, we've all tried to come up with ideas - i should mention i've discussed matters at length with directors in the past and understand some of the constraints but unfortunately there's only so many times you can hear 'no' before you stop bothering. I said all this on a "crossroads" thread last year on the old DC so it's nothing new. That was a great discussion which Jim Green turned into an article and yet we're still plodding along doing the same old tired things whilst watching the club's fanbase die away. NWAS got some stick for that, and I may for this, but thats how it feels at the moment. Falling crowds, falling budgets and nothing other than pie in the sky talk or the hilarious 'pipelines'. I'm fed up, and i'm having a moan. Plenty are happy with the status quo or are just happy with a club to support look where we were 7 years ago etc. Credit you guys, honestly, no digs - but i can't sit there in sub 2000s and possible sub 1500 tuesday and find it anything other than a chore. As i said, apathy will breed contempt at some stage. Interesting read and definitely things that I relate to personally. But I think it's key to stress that by that logic, every club from 10th downwards is in a similar boat and that's reflected in attendances across the board right now, in this division and even in the football league. We can't compete at the top and we've got enough about us to keep ourselves out of real danger at the bottom so there is a feel of meandering at present. Under our model, that's how it has to be and the way we'll improve is by marginal gains. If we end this season in 15th with say 55 points, then we need to aim for 12th place next season on 63. Then 10th on 68 etc, etc. It's by no means a glamorous few years ahead but that is our reality. Along the way, we can dream of selling a few Sam Hughes's and maybe getting a money-spinning cup run etc, which will all help speed the process up. What I would say, though, is that we've seen this season those moments where you see a glimmer of what we could be under JM. The Eastleigh, Dover, Dagenham, Aldershot results and the performance at Prenton Park where we played Tranmere off the park for large spells. As McCarthy gathers experience, I'm confident he can produce a unit of players that can squeeze far from out of a budget that is expected. I'm thinking Braintree a few seasons back or Macclesfield every season. That's what gives me hope, if those sides can do it then I don't see why we cannot. But I've no doubt the club could do loads more to entice people to buy into that dream. We need a huge push this summer on just about everything, a completely fresh start where we really embrace our supporters owned status. We are different to other clubs and we need to message singing from the rooftops. I'd like to see a drive on volunteers where we try and bring new blood into that side of things. The people who give so much deserve medals but we need more of them. A big 'your city needs YOU' campaign is needed where we get out into schools, workplaces, university, youth groups, shopping centers with CFU memberships, stressing how you can own your local football club and outlining the perks that come with it. (There needs to be more of them, too!) We need to make going to the game part of peoples routine, the masses will never just pop down on a whim. I'd be looking at a leaflet drop on an industrial scale, with the reasons why our club is so unique plastered all over it going through every letterbox in the city. Advertise a completely free pre-season friendly where we throw the doors open and showcase a really impressive matchday experience. We've got to look at introducing more affordable areas of the ground for those on low incomes too, the £10 Terrace idea has been discussed to death but something needs to be done. The schools need targeting systematically, so does the University. I know these things take resources and time but wouldn't it be worth ploughing both into it? These are the biggest markets we've got to exploit and we don't do it enough. Kids, generally speaking, love football and if you hook the kids, you'll reel in the parents. It's become a rant now, but there's so much more that could be done but this summer is enormous. A completely fresh, can-do attitude is required and we need to really embrace what we are. If we do what we've always done this summer, we'll get what we've always had. |
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Post by backtottheleague on Mar 20, 2017 15:28:28 GMT
I agree with the above posts,I must admit I do pick and choose matches to go to Deva,(prefer the away matches,(better atmosphere for blues fans).what needs to get me back regular is to get back to the basics .stop buying every mediocre midfield players available and not required standard,get a target man with height(Daryll stamp type.get rid of the players who are signed and never in the squad.quality not quantity needed.I see a lot players in leagues below us who are better and dying to get a chance in the conference.so why do we just get the rejects from so called bigger clubs.
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Post by richard on Mar 20, 2017 15:36:24 GMT
I've tried very hard of late to try to avoid being overly negative when talking about Chester. I can appreciate some people are becoming tired of what they view as constant negativity or digs at the club and have tried to add some balance when plausible. We all know this season has been an improvement on the last, despite the recent results from either playing with formations, injuries or loss of form. I'm happy with the manager, perhaps 2.5 years is a bit of a push but he's done well with no resources and the main thing is he hasn't moaned about it constantly. I like that he will defend his players to the hilt, even in the face of obvious areas of concern, because this is a young squad which needs that approach. Lloyd choosing Macca over Burr for less money tells you a lot in my view. Andy Ruscoe and Jim Green are doing their bit to resurrect the community trust side and are getting Chester out to the kids. Every single thread comes back to these positive aspects, they cannot be doubted (in my view). I then sat there on Saturday. During the most dullest of games, with no shots in the first half and a very Mark Wright feel to it (although we'd have won 1-0 then and put up with it) and looked around the ground and saw all the gaps and wondered, why do i bother? It was a shocking moment to be fair, but i sat there and thought about the commitment of time and money I give to this club and I just thought it was all pretty pointless. Apathy breeds apathy which then on breeds contempt. Not getting over dramatic here, I'll be very open and say i wasn't 'blue from birth' or any of that. I followed Chester because i liked football and my uncle brought me and i loved the buzz of live football over TV. I watched us get relegated and come back up again, the chaos of that first season back and unending drama thereafter. I haven't followed Chester when nothing has been happening. And yet, despite pre-season hoping for mid-table obscurity I sat there watching a nothing game with no atmosphere whatsoever and couldn't get away from the fact that if this had been the type of game my uncle brought me to all those years ago, I wouldn't be following Chester now. Watching your local club does have aspects of loyalty and belonging, but faced with a deluge of live TV football turning up to an empty stadium and paying a premium is literally only for the hard-core. I'd like to think i'm hard-core. I'm a season ticket holder and have been for 10 years plus. I've played for, captained and managed the supporter's team for 11 years. I've followed Chester home and away, to some absolute holes getting up at 7am to go play a supporters match beforehand and taking out my full saturday dedicated to Chester. Yet, here i am, sat there on Saturday wondering what the point is. I'm not saying i'll stop going, I know that won't happen. But this isn't what i signed up for. All i'm hearing for next season is not progression, but regression - a smaller squad, tighter budget and lower crowds. It's very hard to get motivated faced with that. If i didn't buy a season ticket, I do wonder how many games i'd miss. I've got friends who've followed Chester longer than me who just aren't going any more. I mean these are fans who used to go everywhere, to every game. It's not just because there is nothing to play for, this has been happening all season. It's the apathy from the club at present that - this is our lot - this is it - we have to make do. There's a significant like of drive and ideas coming from the club. There's plenty from the fans, we've all tried to come up with ideas - i should mention i've discussed matters at length with directors in the past and understand some of the constraints but unfortunately there's only so many times you can hear 'no' before you stop bothering. I said all this on a "crossroads" thread last year on the old DC so it's nothing new. That was a great discussion which Jim Green turned into an article and yet we're still plodding along doing the same old tired things whilst watching the club's fanbase die away. NWAS got some stick for that, and I may for this, but thats how it feels at the moment. Falling crowds, falling budgets and nothing other than pie in the sky talk or the hilarious 'pipelines'. I'm fed up, and i'm having a moan. Plenty are happy with the status quo or are just happy with a club to support look where we were 7 years ago etc. Credit you guys, honestly, no digs - but i can't sit there in sub 2000s and possible sub 1500 tuesday and find it anything other than a chore. As i said, apathy will breed contempt at some stage. Interesting read and definitely things that I relate to personally. But I think it's key to stress that by that logic, every club from 10th downwards is in a similar boat and that's reflected in attendances across the board right now, in this division and even in the football league. We can't compete at the top and we've got enough about us to keep ourselves out of real danger at the bottom so there is a feel of meandering at present. Under our model, that's how it has to be and the way we'll improve is by marginal gains. If we end this season in 15th with say 55 points, then we need to aim for 12th place next season on 63. Then 10th on 68 etc, etc. It's by no means a glamorous few years ahead but that is our reality. Along the way, we can dream of selling a few Sam Hughes's and maybe getting a money-spinning cup run etc, which will all help speed the process up. What I would say, though, is that we've seen this season those moments where you see a glimmer of what we could be under JM. The Eastleigh, Dover, Dagenham, Aldershot results and the performance at Prenton Park where we played Tranmere off the park for large spells. As McCarthy gathers experience, I'm confident he can produce a unit of players that can squeeze far from out of a budget that is expected. I'm thinking Braintree a few seasons back or Macclesfield every season. That's what gives me hope, if those sides can do it then I don't see why we cannot. But I've no doubt the club could do loads more to entice people to buy into that dream. We need a huge push this summer on just about everything, a completely fresh start where we really embrace our supporters owned status. We are different to other clubs and we need to message singing from the rooftops. I'd like to see a drive on volunteers where we try and bring new blood into that side of things. The people who give so much deserve medals but we need more of them. A big 'your city needs YOU' campaign is needed where we get out into schools, workplaces, university, youth groups, shopping centers with CFU memberships, stressing how you can own your local football club and outlining the perks that come with it. (There needs to be more of them, too!) We need to make going to the game part of peoples routine, the masses will never just pop down on a whim. I'd be looking at a leaflet drop on an industrial scale, with the reasons why our club is so unique plastered all over it going through every letterbox in the city. Advertise a completely free pre-season friendly where we throw the doors open and showcase a really impressive matchday experience. We've got to look at introducing more affordable areas of the ground for those on low incomes too, the £10 Terrace idea has been discussed to death but something needs to be done. The schools need targeting systematically, so does the University. I know these things take resources and time but wouldn't it be worth ploughing both into it? These are the biggest markets we've got to exploit and we don't do it enough. Kids, generally speaking, love football and if you hook the kids, you'll reel in the parents. It's become a rant now, but there's so much more that could be done but this summer is enormous. A completely fresh, can-do attitude is required and we need to really embrace what we are. If we do what we've always done this summer, we'll get what we've always had. Excellent posts. |
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Post by btb on Mar 20, 2017 15:46:38 GMT
Good post Andy and I feel your pain. I haven't reached the point of no return yet and in reality I probably never will. Chester are my team for better or worse and I will go to the home games that I can and support the team. I did, however, sit there on Saturday and think if this was somebody's first venture to a chester game there's not a cat in hells chance that they would return. In other threads I've said JM went for the win with the changes he made. We still didn't really have many chances of note. A free kick and a woeful effort wide from Richards against a team that looked as bad as us if not worse! We could have shut up shop for a bore draw and should have, really. But then that's not going to get the punters in is it.
I've no idea hoŵ we get out of this rut we're currently in. The football is dire and it's just not fun to go to the game at the moment. But the club has to do more. The management and players have an obligation to do more. The paid employees also have to work around the clock. If apathy has set in we could become the only club in football history to die twice!
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Post by Rio Doherty on Mar 20, 2017 16:05:56 GMT
Most of the posts above are rants but they include good points which the club need to learn from.
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Post by bluboy79 on Mar 20, 2017 16:13:57 GMT
These views mirror my own , I feel very disinterested at the moment. Saturdays game was not a one off its been like that for a few seasons barring the odd game .
I think John McCarthy is doing a decent job but needs to make some tough decisions and release some players who are letting him down also needs a proper assistant alongside him next season.
I am a season ticket holder and have been for a long time but don't think! I will be renewing next season, the idea that we are slowly building is rubbish ! We are going backwards I'm afraid, since reformation nothing much has been done ie stadium, bar, executive boxes, training ground , general matchday experience - there has been no firm plans made and followed through .
This view is shared by many hence the ever dwindling crowds, our CEO needs to perform some miracles very quickly !
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Post by billyw on Mar 20, 2017 16:45:47 GMT
Good OP and echoes the sentiments of a lot of missing fans. I fear the fan owned model will not work with such an apathetic Chester public and talk of league football or challenging for promotion is pie in the sky. With our ever depleting attendances, there is only one way we will be getting out of this league and quite frankly I think the league below is our natural setting.
We do not have the support or finances to maintain our position in this league and poor performances only serve to reduce attendances so a vicious circle is created and income suffers even more. How many teams can afford to have only one striker on their books FFS and it is because of this that we are flirting with relegation and gates have fallen dramatically.
We had a good start to the season but the departure of Sharps and lack of money to supplement the squad has seen a complete turnaround so it does make people ask 'what's the point'. I would stress that I would always buy a season ticket no matter what but can perfectly understand why others do not.
No doubt I will be accused of negativity but a dose of realism is required and a thousand missing supporters can't be wrong.
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Post by Hannibal on Mar 20, 2017 16:56:25 GMT
Most of the posts above are rants but they include good points which the club need to learn from. Hardly rants. Some heart-felt emotion in there. Wait til you've been supporting this club for another 5, 10, 15 years and let us know how you feel then. |
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Post by Rio Doherty on Mar 20, 2017 17:24:33 GMT
Most of the posts above are rants but they include good points which the club need to learn from. Hardly rants. Some heart-felt emotion in there. Wait til you've been supporting this club for another 5, 10, 15 years and let us know how you feel then. These problems will probably be resolved in that space of time. |
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Post by btb on Mar 20, 2017 17:43:05 GMT
Hardly rants. Some heart-felt emotion in there. Wait til you've been supporting this club for another 5, 10, 15 years and let us know how you feel then. These problems will probably be resolved in that space of time. Come back in 10 years time as perm says. And as he also says, for the best part this thread has not contained rants. |
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Post by Buckley Blue on Mar 20, 2017 17:45:15 GMT
Hardly rants. Some heart-felt emotion in there. Wait til you've been supporting this club for another 5, 10, 15 years and let us know how you feel then. These problems will probably be resolved in that space of time. Sorry Rio, they probably won't. Year on year nothing changes, not even the rhetoric. I'm glad I'm not the only one who sat there on Saturday thinking what the hell am I doing here. Gates will suffer between now and the end of the season because we have nothing to play for (hopefully) but the lack of form lately is worrying. A football supporter needs hope, hope something good will happen, take away that hope with a poor squad with no cash to splash and they will stay away. I'll buy a season ticket for next year but I know one of our group won't and to be honest going to the game these days is more of a chore than a pleasure. |
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Post by YDdraigCoch on Mar 20, 2017 17:47:48 GMT
Keep the faith boys. I would be a very sad Wrexham fan not having our 'love to hate' (just kidding) rivals in the same league. It will come good I'm sure.
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Post by Sealking on Mar 20, 2017 17:56:16 GMT
Felt the same Saturday after getting home, I really haven't enjoyed it much this season... Certainly something lacking about how the club in going forward. Even in our good spell that enjoyment and buzz around the club seemed to be lost. I always looked forward to home games but I much prefer away games at the moment as there's more of a thrill
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Post by mcseal on Mar 20, 2017 18:12:45 GMT
Some well reasoned posts here but I suspect mostly the reason for the apathy is that this is our first (hopefully) midtable season since reformation. That's progress but hardly puts fire in the belly.
It's going to be hard to bridge the gap between mid table and challenging at the top. Having said that Lincoln have managed it this year. The worrying bit is I don't see us 'doing a Lincoln' with this group of players and all the indications are that we will be watching most of them next year. We definitely need fresh blood (without wholesale changes) if only to rekindle some interest.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 18:15:12 GMT
The OP completely sums up my feelings right now.
I've taken my daughter to a few games this season and bless her, she has enjoyed them but we've had a minor issue regarding a prize she won earlier in the season and despite several emails we've yet to receive it (although latest email says it's on its way), so that's been disappointing. Took my eldest when we were in the lower leagues but he lost interest pretty much as soon as we got to the conference.
I didn't go Saturday, didn't fancy it plus with Tuesday game coming up as well I didn't want to pay for 2 games in the space of a few days. First time I've ever missed a game for no reason really.
I love the club, anyone who knows me will know that and maybe, hopefully, it's just a blip and it'll turn around after we beat Macca thanks to a last minute Kane winner
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Post by Pedant on Mar 20, 2017 18:20:40 GMT
Some well reasoned posts here but I suspect mostly the reason for the apathy is that this is our first (hopefully) midtable season since reformation. That's progress but hardly puts fire in the belly. We finished 12th two years ago and that was very much a mid-table season where we were never going to go up or down. |
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Post by Krankie's Ghost on Mar 20, 2017 18:25:39 GMT
I've tried very hard of late to try to avoid being overly negative when talking about Chester. I can appreciate some people are becoming tired of what they view as constant negativity or digs at the club and have tried to add some balance when plausible. We all know this season has been an improvement on the last, despite the recent results from either playing with formations, injuries or loss of form. I'm happy with the manager, perhaps 2.5 years is a bit of a push but he's done well with no resources and the main thing is he hasn't moaned about it constantly. I like that he will defend his players to the hilt, even in the face of obvious areas of concern, because this is a young squad which needs that approach. Lloyd choosing Macca over Burr for less money tells you a lot in my view. Andy Ruscoe and Jim Green are doing their bit to resurrect the community trust side and are getting Chester out to the kids. Every single thread comes back to these positive aspects, they cannot be doubted (in my view). I then sat there on Saturday. During the most dullest of games, with no shots in the first half and a very Mark Wright feel to it (although we'd have won 1-0 then and put up with it) and looked around the ground and saw all the gaps and wondered, why do i bother? It was a shocking moment to be fair, but i sat there and thought about the commitment of time and money I give to this club and I just thought it was all pretty pointless. Apathy breeds apathy which then on breeds contempt. Not getting over dramatic here, I'll be very open and say i wasn't 'blue from birth' or any of that. I followed Chester because i liked football and my uncle brought me and i loved the buzz of live football over TV. I watched us get relegated and come back up again, the chaos of that first season back and unending drama thereafter. I haven't followed Chester when nothing has been happening. And yet, despite pre-season hoping for mid-table obscurity I sat there watching a nothing game with no atmosphere whatsoever and couldn't get away from the fact that if this had been the type of game my uncle brought me to all those years ago, I wouldn't be following Chester now. Watching your local club does have aspects of loyalty and belonging, but faced with a deluge of live TV football turning up to an empty stadium and paying a premium is literally only for the hard-core. I'd like to think i'm hard-core. I'm a season ticket holder and have been for 10 years plus. I've played for, captained and managed the supporter's team for 11 years. I've followed Chester home and away, to some absolute holes getting up at 7am to go play a supporters match beforehand and taking out my full saturday dedicated to Chester. Yet, here i am, sat there on Saturday wondering what the point is. I'm not saying i'll stop going, I know that won't happen. But this isn't what i signed up for. All i'm hearing for next season is not progression, but regression - a smaller squad, tighter budget and lower crowds. It's very hard to get motivated faced with that. If i didn't buy a season ticket, I do wonder how many games i'd miss. I've got friends who've followed Chester longer than me who just aren't going any more. I mean these are fans who used to go everywhere, to every game. It's not just because there is nothing to play for, this has been happening all season. It's the apathy from the club at present that - this is our lot - this is it - we have to make do. There's a significant like of drive and ideas coming from the club. There's plenty from the fans, we've all tried to come up with ideas - i should mention i've discussed matters at length with directors in the past and understand some of the constraints but unfortunately there's only so many times you can hear 'no' before you stop bothering. I said all this on a "crossroads" thread last year on the old DC so it's nothing new. That was a great discussion which Jim Green turned into an article and yet we're still plodding along doing the same old tired things whilst watching the club's fanbase die away. NWAS got some stick for that, and I may for this, but thats how it feels at the moment. Falling crowds, falling budgets and nothing other than pie in the sky talk or the hilarious 'pipelines'. I'm fed up, and i'm having a moan. Plenty are happy with the status quo or are just happy with a club to support look where we were 7 years ago etc. Credit you guys, honestly, no digs - but i can't sit there in sub 2000s and possible sub 1500 tuesday and find it anything other than a chore. As i said, apathy will breed contempt at some stage. Interesting read and definitely things that I relate to personally. But I think it's key to stress that by that logic, every club from 10th downwards is in a similar boat and that's reflected in attendances across the board right now, in this division and even in the football league. We can't compete at the top and we've got enough about us to keep ourselves out of real danger at the bottom so there is a feel of meandering at present. Under our model, that's how it has to be and the way we'll improve is by marginal gains. If we end this season in 15th with say 55 points, then we need to aim for 12th place next season on 63. Then 10th on 68 etc, etc. It's by no means a glamorous few years ahead but that is our reality. Along the way, we can dream of selling a few Sam Hughes's and maybe getting a money-spinning cup run etc, which will all help speed the process up. What I would say, though, is that we've seen this season those moments where you see a glimmer of what we could be under JM. The Eastleigh, Dover, Dagenham, Aldershot results and the performance at Prenton Park where we played Tranmere off the park for large spells. As McCarthy gathers experience, I'm confident he can produce a unit of players that can squeeze far from out of a budget that is expected. I'm thinking Braintree a few seasons back or Macclesfield every season. That's what gives me hope, if those sides can do it then I don't see why we cannot. But I've no doubt the club could do loads more to entice people to buy into that dream. We need a huge push this summer on just about everything, a completely fresh start where we really embrace our supporters owned status. We are different to other clubs and we need to message singing from the rooftops. I'd like to see a drive on volunteers where we try and bring new blood into that side of things. The people who give so much deserve medals but we need more of them. A big 'your city needs YOU' campaign is needed where we get out into schools, workplaces, university, youth groups, shopping centers with CFU memberships, stressing how you can own your local football club and outlining the perks that come with it. (There needs to be more of them, too!) We need to make going to the game part of peoples routine, the masses will never just pop down on a whim. I'd be looking at a leaflet drop on an industrial scale, with the reasons why our club is so unique plastered all over it going through every letterbox in the city. Advertise a completely free pre-season friendly where we throw the doors open and showcase a really impressive matchday experience. We've got to look at introducing more affordable areas of the ground for those on low incomes too, the £10 Terrace idea has been discussed to death but something needs to be done. The schools need targeting systematically, so does the University. I know these things take resources and time but wouldn't it be worth ploughing both into it? These are the biggest markets we've got to exploit and we don't do it enough. Kids, generally speaking, love football and if you hook the kids, you'll reel in the parents. It's become a rant now, but there's so much more that could be done but this summer is enormous. A completely fresh, can-do attitude is required and we need to really embrace what we are. If we do what we've always done this summer, we'll get what we've always had.
2 great posts.
A lot of it is about getting the club back, at the moment nothing sets it apart from any other national league club other than our abject poverty. The point about regression is important, how can anyone get excited about something which you know is going to be worse next year?
I understand that might be the reality, but bloody hell, it's hardly inspiring to actually come out and say it.
Jack is right when he says action is needed, but I can't see it, not without a radical re-think of how the club is run and what it's all about.
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Post by Harry Lime on Mar 20, 2017 19:26:18 GMT
Difficult to disagree with these posts in this thread.
There has been a few things coming together over the past couple of years that have created this discontent.
Last year we had a succession of loan signings and changes that only made things worse. A collection of players that didn't look much good, combined with a load of negative comments from SB. He gets sacked.
Macca takes over and re-signs most of the average looking players. Both things that didn't excite the crowd at that time. Starting off the negative vibe.
The lack of exciting signings like a couple of young new strikers, didn't help either.
Injuries to key players, leaving us short haven't helped. Still no new striker.
The crowd need to have the feeling that the new signing is the next Rimmer or Clare. We haven't had anything like that.
Macca and the club needs to appreciate that perception is important. Just watching a functional hard-working team isn't enough. We want to see goalmouth action. We want to see shots. We want to see players taking men on, and getting past them. It's almost been a perfect storm causing the drop in crowds. Just think how bad it would be now if we hadn't won so many early in the season.
Let's hope a couple of exciting signings are made in the summer. Otherwise I fear the worst for next season's crowds.
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Post by cooperman on Mar 20, 2017 19:40:19 GMT
I've tried very hard of late to try to avoid being overly negative when talking about Chester. I can appreciate some people are becoming tired of what they view as constant negativity or digs at the club and have tried to add some balance when plausible. We all know this season has been an improvement on the last, despite the recent results from either playing with formations, injuries or loss of form. I'm happy with the manager, perhaps 2.5 years is a bit of a push but he's done well with no resources and the main thing is he hasn't moaned about it constantly. I like that he will defend his players to the hilt, even in the face of obvious areas of concern, because this is a young squad which needs that approach. Lloyd choosing Macca over Burr for less money tells you a lot in my view. Andy Ruscoe and Jim Green are doing their bit to resurrect the community trust side and are getting Chester out to the kids. Every single thread comes back to these positive aspects, they cannot be doubted (in my view). I then sat there on Saturday. During the most dullest of games, with no shots in the first half and a very Mark Wright feel to it (although we'd have won 1-0 then and put up with it) and looked around the ground and saw all the gaps and wondered, why do i bother? It was a shocking moment to be fair, but i sat there and thought about the commitment of time and money I give to this club and I just thought it was all pretty pointless. Apathy breeds apathy which then on breeds contempt. Not getting over dramatic here, I'll be very open and say i wasn't 'blue from birth' or any of that. I followed Chester because i liked football and my uncle brought me and i loved the buzz of live football over TV. I watched us get relegated and come back up again, the chaos of that first season back and unending drama thereafter. I haven't followed Chester when nothing has been happening. And yet, despite pre-season hoping for mid-table obscurity I sat there watching a nothing game with no atmosphere whatsoever and couldn't get away from the fact that if this had been the type of game my uncle brought me to all those years ago, I wouldn't be following Chester now. Watching your local club does have aspects of loyalty and belonging, but faced with a deluge of live TV football turning up to an empty stadium and paying a premium is literally only for the hard-core. I'd like to think i'm hard-core. I'm a season ticket holder and have been for 10 years plus. I've played for, captained and managed the supporter's team for 11 years. I've followed Chester home and away, to some absolute holes getting up at 7am to go play a supporters match beforehand and taking out my full saturday dedicated to Chester. Yet, here i am, sat there on Saturday wondering what the point is. I'm not saying i'll stop going, I know that won't happen. But this isn't what i signed up for. All i'm hearing for next season is not progression, but regression - a smaller squad, tighter budget and lower crowds. It's very hard to get motivated faced with that. If i didn't buy a season ticket, I do wonder how many games i'd miss. I've got friends who've followed Chester longer than me who just aren't going any more. I mean these are fans who used to go everywhere, to every game. It's not just because there is nothing to play for, this has been happening all season. It's the apathy from the club at present that - this is our lot - this is it - we have to make do. There's a significant like of drive and ideas coming from the club. There's plenty from the fans, we've all tried to come up with ideas - i should mention i've discussed matters at length with directors in the past and understand some of the constraints but unfortunately there's only so many times you can hear 'no' before you stop bothering. I said all this on a "crossroads" thread last year on the old DC so it's nothing new. That was a great discussion which Jim Green turned into an article and yet we're still plodding along doing the same old tired things whilst watching the club's fanbase die away. NWAS got some stick for that, and I may for this, but thats how it feels at the moment. Falling crowds, falling budgets and nothing other than pie in the sky talk or the hilarious 'pipelines'. I'm fed up, and i'm having a moan. Plenty are happy with the status quo or are just happy with a club to support look where we were 7 years ago etc. Credit you guys, honestly, no digs - but i can't sit there in sub 2000s and possible sub 1500 tuesday and find it anything other than a chore. As i said, apathy will breed contempt at some stage. Your not on your own ... this is exactly how I feel and I've been mainly suffering for 57 years now. I wonder what the CEO is doing to justify his salary. I'm told he talks the talk, but wouldn't the money we are paying him be better off going into the playing budget? I've always bought a season ticket and will probably buy one again next season, but I wouldn't blame anyone who didn't. I'm taking my son to York Railway Museum tomorrow and will be dashing back here to watch us, but I wonder why I bother |
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Post by cooperman on Mar 20, 2017 19:41:19 GMT
I've tried very hard of late to try to avoid being overly negative when talking about Chester. I can appreciate some people are becoming tired of what they view as constant negativity or digs at the club and have tried to add some balance when plausible. We all know this season has been an improvement on the last, despite the recent results from either playing with formations, injuries or loss of form. I'm happy with the manager, perhaps 2.5 years is a bit of a push but he's done well with no resources and the main thing is he hasn't moaned about it constantly. I like that he will defend his players to the hilt, even in the face of obvious areas of concern, because this is a young squad which needs that approach. Lloyd choosing Macca over Burr for less money tells you a lot in my view. Andy Ruscoe and Jim Green are doing their bit to resurrect the community trust side and are getting Chester out to the kids. Every single thread comes back to these positive aspects, they cannot be doubted (in my view). I then sat there on Saturday. During the most dullest of games, with no shots in the first half and a very Mark Wright feel to it (although we'd have won 1-0 then and put up with it) and looked around the ground and saw all the gaps and wondered, why do i bother? It was a shocking moment to be fair, but i sat there and thought about the commitment of time and money I give to this club and I just thought it was all pretty pointless. Apathy breeds apathy which then on breeds contempt. Not getting over dramatic here, I'll be very open and say i wasn't 'blue from birth' or any of that. I followed Chester because i liked football and my uncle brought me and i loved the buzz of live football over TV. I watched us get relegated and come back up again, the chaos of that first season back and unending drama thereafter. I haven't followed Chester when nothing has been happening. And yet, despite pre-season hoping for mid-table obscurity I sat there watching a nothing game with no atmosphere whatsoever and couldn't get away from the fact that if this had been the type of game my uncle brought me to all those years ago, I wouldn't be following Chester now. Watching your local club does have aspects of loyalty and belonging, but faced with a deluge of live TV football turning up to an empty stadium and paying a premium is literally only for the hard-core. I'd like to think i'm hard-core. I'm a season ticket holder and have been for 10 years plus. I've played for, captained and managed the supporter's team for 11 years. I've followed Chester home and away, to some absolute holes getting up at 7am to go play a supporters match beforehand and taking out my full saturday dedicated to Chester. Yet, here i am, sat there on Saturday wondering what the point is. I'm not saying i'll stop going, I know that won't happen. But this isn't what i signed up for. All i'm hearing for next season is not progression, but regression - a smaller squad, tighter budget and lower crowds. It's very hard to get motivated faced with that. If i didn't buy a season ticket, I do wonder how many games i'd miss. I've got friends who've followed Chester longer than me who just aren't going any more. I mean these are fans who used to go everywhere, to every game. It's not just because there is nothing to play for, this has been happening all season. It's the apathy from the club at present that - this is our lot - this is it - we have to make do. There's a significant like of drive and ideas coming from the club. There's plenty from the fans, we've all tried to come up with ideas - i should mention i've discussed matters at length with directors in the past and understand some of the constraints but unfortunately there's only so many times you can hear 'no' before you stop bothering. I said all this on a "crossroads" thread last year on the old DC so it's nothing new. That was a great discussion which Jim Green turned into an article and yet we're still plodding along doing the same old tired things whilst watching the club's fanbase die away. NWAS got some stick for that, and I may for this, but thats how it feels at the moment. Falling crowds, falling budgets and nothing other than pie in the sky talk or the hilarious 'pipelines'. I'm fed up, and i'm having a moan. Plenty are happy with the status quo or are just happy with a club to support look where we were 7 years ago etc. Credit you guys, honestly, no digs - but i can't sit there in sub 2000s and possible sub 1500 tuesday and find it anything other than a chore. As i said, apathy will breed contempt at some stage. Your not on your own ... this is exactly how I feel and I've been mainly suffering for 57 years now. I wonder what the CEO is doing to justify his salary. I'm told he talks the talk, but wouldn't the money we are paying him be better off going into the playing budget? I've always bought a season ticket and will probably buy one again next season, but I wouldn't blame anyone who didn't. I'm taking my son to York Railway Museum tomorrow and will be dashing back here to watch us, but I wonder why I bother |
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Post by cooperman on Mar 20, 2017 19:51:36 GMT
I have to agree with all of this. we have 2 season tickets and used to go all home games and most away games, this season we,ve already missed 10 home games, and been to no away games. the bottom line with me is we just don't feel part of the club anymore. I was a sponsor, volunteer and on a committee at the club, but felt I was wasting my time after a while. I am amazed to say we wont be renewing our season tickets for next season, the sad thing is I loved going to the games, but in all honesty we have lost interest I am hoping I get my thrill of going again back, but in all honesty I cant see it happening
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Post by billyw on Mar 20, 2017 20:25:08 GMT
This thread must be a DC record. With everyone in agreement - Alan Povey and the Board please note. - also please get a striker on loan for the rest of the season otherwise relegation could be the death knell of this club.
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Post by Si on Mar 20, 2017 20:36:12 GMT
This won't be a popular post but here goes.....
Perhaps it's down to a history of being stung by owners or crap managers but for as long as I can remember (I'm 29, started when I was 5) we have always been crap and badly run apart from the odd season, that's just life as a Chester fan. That's not to say we shouldn't strive for better but if I based my decision on renewing my season ticket on how I feel the club is run or the quality of the players then I'd rarely have bought one in the years i've supported Chester. Wrexham might get through managers quicker than us but their fans back their team through it all and support the shirts in the pitch, whereas Chester fans just seem to complain and down tools and do something else on a Saturday. We are in the middle of a bad run at the moment which has maybe prompted a lot of the emotions on here, like everyone else I enjoyed it earlier in the season and its frustrating that things have fizzled out but I expected us to be in a relegation battle before the season so on the whole things haven't been that bad and hopefully Macca will learn a lot from the things that haven't got well in the last couple of months.
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Post by Rimmer on Mar 20, 2017 21:08:36 GMT
Not sure that Macca will learn that if he has tried to sign most of the current squad - anybody could see that we were crying out for an on loan striker as Richard simply is not good enough and whenever I watch him I feel that his petulance always has the potential to either receive a yellow card or worse still get sent off
I wonder if Macca and Laurence Kirkby et el can see the damage that these uninspiring performance are doing to the fan base - I used to go to every home and quite a few away games but I have missed quite a few this year as I simply can't be bothered and really not sure about a season ticket next season
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Post by Fed up on Mar 20, 2017 21:09:47 GMT
I've been a reader of deva chat in its old and new versions and for a while I have been amazed by the attitudes of some "fans". I actually agree that the fan owned model won't work, but I think it is down to us as fans. We are the worst in the division in terms of moaning, both at the players and staff at games, and online. Also in terms of contribution to the club - plenty of people act as if it is easy and they have all the answers, but they actually do nothing to help the club and just post ideas on this (unofficial) forum and expect the board to read them and act on every idea, some of which are completely implausible. Teams like Macc and our friends down the road always boost their budget by a crowdfunder campaign but we keep our hands in our pocket. As a fan owned club we all need to contribute if we want a successful season. It is really a wonder why anyone wants to play for us or be involved with the club because all they get is a torrent of abuse from keyboard warriors or people at matches who's lives must be so miserable that the highlight of their day is to insult people left, right and centre, abuse the people who without whom we would not have a club. There are people who (although they deny it) absolutely love it when we lose because it gives them ammunition to slag off everything about the club until the next game comes around. These are the same people who are silent when we play well and win.
People like Alan Povey work unbelievably hard, juggling family life and a job with doing the best they can for the club, and even he hasn't been immune to some bad posts on here. It sickens me how people act sometimes. I genuinely think a reason for falling attendances is some of our so called fans at games just spend the whole 90 mins abusing players instead of supporting the team. I'm getting sick of it and I know others are too.
Whatever the club try to do people slate it. We are the most fickle set of fans in the league, there's no doubt that if we were in the playoffs nobody would be complaining about off the field matters and attendances would be 3000. We aren't perfect, but we are doing so much better than a lot of people make out. This club means a lot to me and I've spent a heck of a lot of money following us up and down the country. But my love is dwindling due to the bad fans. We have a lot of good ones who will support us through thick and thin, but too often I find myself getting really hacked off by people spouting a load of rubbish because we've lost a few games. Grow up, get behind the team and actually do what supporters should do, and support the club.
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Post by Arrogant Blue on Mar 20, 2017 21:37:26 GMT
I started supporting this club during the Gutterman era so have witnessed some pretty low times supporting this club. Had I wanted success then I'd have got myself a Man Utd shirt and a bar stool and an occasional trip to Salford.
Supporting Chester is never going to be a non-stop party and the bad times will more often than outweigh the good. However, I wouldn't change supporting this club for anything and it's part of me.
I've seen two relegations to the Conference, numerous administrations and finally a liquidation so I'm pretty grateful for uneventful mid-table mediocrity. Yes improvements need to be made on and off the pitch but it can only be done by its most important asset, the fans!
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Post by Rio Doherty on Mar 20, 2017 21:39:31 GMT
I've been a reader of deva chat in its old and new versions and for a while I have been amazed by the attitudes of some "fans". I actually agree that the fan owned model won't work, but I think it is down to us as fans. We are the worst in the division in terms of moaning, both at the players and staff at games, and online. Also in terms of contribution to the club - plenty of people act as if it is easy and they have all the answers, but they actually do nothing to help the club and just post ideas on this (unofficial) forum and expect the board to read them and act on every idea, some of which are completely implausible. Teams like Macc and our friends down the road always boost their budget by a crowdfunder campaign but we keep our hands in our pocket. As a fan owned club we all need to contribute if we want a successful season. It is really a wonder why anyone wants to play for us or be involved with the club because all they get is a torrent of abuse from keyboard warriors or people at matches who's lives must be so miserable that the highlight of their day is to insult people left, right and centre, abuse the people who without whom we would not have a club. There are people who (although they deny it) absolutely love it when we lose because it gives them ammunition to slag off everything about the club until the next game comes around. These are the same people who are silent when we play well and win. People like Alan Povey work unbelievably hard, juggling family life and a job with doing the best they can for the club, and even he hasn't been immune to some bad posts on here. It sickens me how people act sometimes. I genuinely think a reason for falling attendances is some of our so called fans at games just spend the whole 90 mins abusing players instead of supporting the team. I'm getting sick of it and I know others are too. Whatever the club try to do people slate it. We are the most fickle set of fans in the league, there's no doubt that if we were in the playoffs nobody would be complaining about off the field matters and attendances would be 3000. We aren't perfect, but we are doing so much better than a lot of people make out. This club means a lot to me and I've spent a heck of a lot of money following us up and down the country. But my love is dwindling due to the bad fans. We have a lot of good ones who will support us through thick and thin, but too often I find myself getting really hacked off by people spouting a load of rubbish because we've lost a few games. Grow up, get behind the team and actually do what supporters should do, and support the club. Sums it up, great post. |
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Post by Si on Mar 20, 2017 21:45:13 GMT
I started supporting this club during the Gutterman era so have witnessed some pretty low times supporting this club. Had I wanted success then I'd have got myself a Man Utd shirt and a bar stool and an occasional trip to Salford. Supporting Chester is never going to be a non-stop party and the bad times will more often than outweigh the good. However, I wouldn't change supporting this club for anything and it's part of me. I've seen two relegations to the Conference, numerous administrations and finally a liquidation so I'm pretty grateful for uneventful mid-table mediocrity. Yes improvements need to be made on and off the pitch but it can only be done by its most important asset, the fans! Spot on. We all want the club to do more and there's been loads of great ideas suggested on this board, but it starts with fans turning up for games and its concerning to read that quite a few existing season ticket holders won't renew because we are a bit cack and the they don't get a warm community fuzzy feeling anymore. We as fans just have to stick with it, that's the commitment we made when following our local team rather than Man U, and when the good times do arrive then it make a it all the sweeter that you were there for the ride. I agree with a lot of the comments that the club aren't proactive enough in getting fans in, but we can't afford to lose more of our hardcore support so I urge everyone to keep turning up otherwise things will only get harder. |
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