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Post by Deva Chanter on Apr 19, 2019 12:37:43 GMT
Yes, you have sussed me out, I do have huge sympathy for the cause, so much so I joined the organization, along with the other 3000 people per day they claim are joining I can see that causing disruption to joe public trying to go about their everyday lives may not be the best tactic, however I feel the time has come that something needs to be done about the way we are destroying the planet I have just come home from work along the A483, the roadside verges are an absolute shit tip, full of all manner of industrial plastic and detritus, this cant be right Common sense suggests that all those hot gasses emminating from the exhausts of internal combustion engines plus jet engines must be having some effect on the environment What about extinction, well look at the advert for WWF and elephant is killed every 26 minutes for what ? pure human greed. Rhinos are suffering the same fate Try googling Arabian Oryx, Shot into extinction in the wild just for fun by American oil workers [since returned by conservationists] No such luck for the Passenger Pigeon though, now extinct Scimiter Horned oryx ? how are they doing ? Google it Asiatic Lion ? Sorry but the time for action is now upon us before it is too late I know I'm in the minority on here but the impact of these protests on normal people is beyond justification. It's shameless self indulgence. They pretend to be winning the moral argument but they're losing it. Only a total fool or the completely delusional would think that intensification of these protests will increase public support. Quite the opposite. They're undermining their own cause, it's futile pretending otherwise. Loooool so the impact that a handful of protestors is having on some commuters in London is 'beyond justification' but the entire world being inched into a huge fireball is perfectly justifiable. Dear me - thank heavens the young people of this country don't think like you do - we might just have a planet for our grandchildren to live on. |
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Apr 19, 2019 15:35:26 GMT
I know I'm in the minority on here but the impact of these protests on normal people is beyond justification. It's shameless self indulgence. They pretend to be winning the moral argument but they're losing it. Only a total fool or the completely delusional would think that intensification of these protests will increase public support. Quite the opposite. They're undermining their own cause, it's futile pretending otherwise. Loooool so the impact that a handful of protestors is having on some commuters in London is 'beyond justification' but the entire world being inched into a huge fireball is perfectly justifiable. Dear me - thank heavens the young people of this country don't think like you do - we might just have a planet for our grandchildren to live on. A handful? Christ. It's so typical of the left to take the view of 'I have an opinion and as I'm always right I'm going to make everyone suffer until they agree'. |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Apr 19, 2019 15:48:16 GMT
Loooool so the impact that a handful of protestors is having on some commuters in London is 'beyond justification' but the entire world being inched into a huge fireball is perfectly justifiable. Dear me - thank heavens the young people of this country don't think like you do - we might just have a planet for our grandchildren to live on. A handful? Christ. It's so typical of the left to take the view of 'I have an opinion and as I'm always right I'm going to make everyone suffer until they agree'. That's because they are right. Just because getting off your arse and doing something about climate change might make your middle class life marginally more difficult, doesn't make it 'wrong'. It's so typical of centrists to take the view of 'oh look, there's a huge clusterfuck of a disaster heading straight toward us, let's tinker around the edges with a load of superficial insipid poncery and hope nobody notices because heaven forfend we actually change anything'. |
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Apr 19, 2019 15:51:38 GMT
A handful? Christ. It's so typical of the left to take the view of 'I have an opinion and as I'm always right I'm going to make everyone suffer until they agree'. That's because they are right. Just because getting off your arse and doing something about climate change might make your middle class life marginally more difficult, doesn't make it 'wrong'. It's so typical of centrists to take the view of 'oh look, there's a huge clusterfuck of a disaster heading straight toward us, let's tinker around the edges with a load of superficial insipid poncery and hope nobody notices because heaven forfend we actually change anything'. Also anyone who replies to a debate with 'looooool' is clearly not quite right. |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Apr 19, 2019 15:56:23 GMT
That's because they are right. Just because getting off your arse and doing something about climate change might make your middle class life marginally more difficult, doesn't make it 'wrong'. It's so typical of centrists to take the view of 'oh look, there's a huge clusterfuck of a disaster heading straight toward us, let's tinker around the edges with a load of superficial insipid poncery and hope nobody notices because heaven forfend we actually change anything'. Also anyone who replies to a debate with 'looooool' is clearly not quite right. Showing your age there. Could have guessed it given your reactionary views. |
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Apr 19, 2019 16:06:35 GMT
Also anyone who replies to a debate with 'looooool' is clearly not quite right. Showing your age there. Could have guessed it given your reactionary views. Yeah, not sure any reasonable person uses that term in a sensible debate. You support needless civil disobedience and call me reactionary. Has the sun got to you today? |
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Post by Ian H Block on Apr 19, 2019 18:51:45 GMT
Showing your age there. Could have guessed it given your reactionary views. Yeah, not sure any reasonable person uses that term in a sensible debate. You support needless civil disobedience and call me reactionary. Has the sun got to you today? Needless civil disobedience? If you were around 100 years ago I’m sure you’d have said the same about the Suffragettes. |
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Apr 19, 2019 19:30:13 GMT
Yeah, not sure any reasonable person uses that term in a sensible debate. You support needless civil disobedience and call me reactionary. Has the sun got to you today? Needless civil disobedience? If you were around 100 years ago I’m sure you’d have said the same about the Suffragettes. Like I say, I'm the only non-lefty who posts on here so I'm never winning this argument. That doesn't make what's happening at the moment right. To compare that that dreadful lot to the suffragettes is poor. Even for you. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Apr 19, 2019 19:47:06 GMT
Needless civil disobedience? If you were around 100 years ago I’m sure you’d have said the same about the Suffragettes. Like I say, I'm the only non-lefty who posts on here so I'm never winning this argument. That doesn't make what's happening at the moment right. To compare that that dreadful lot to the suffragettes is poor. Even for you. Liking your own posts now? That’s poor, even for you. |
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Apr 19, 2019 19:56:23 GMT
Like I say, I'm the only non-lefty who posts on here so I'm never winning this argument. That doesn't make what's happening at the moment right. To compare that that dreadful lot to the suffragettes is poor. Even for you. Liking your own posts now? That’s poor, even for you. Haha!! My point stands. No surprise you'd support what they're doing. |
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Post by jb on Apr 19, 2019 20:37:41 GMT
Sound like an EMO band. Have they got anything worth listening to?
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Post by eyeswideopen on Apr 20, 2019 7:08:17 GMT
Needless civil disobedience? If you were around 100 years ago I’m sure you’d have said the same about the Suffragettes. Like I say, I'm the only non-lefty who posts on here so I'm never winning this argument. That doesn't make what's happening at the moment right. To compare that that dreadful lot to the suffragettes is poor. Even for you. I would describe myself as left of centre and as previously stated I agree wholeheartedly with ERs cause, just not the way they have actioned it.This country is a dripping tap when it comes to contributing to greenhouse gases, whilst America, China and India have the full hosepipes constantly on.i keep searching the internet for news of protests in China but no joy, can someone enlighten me? On a side issue it would be very interesting to see how a Jeremy Corbyn government would handle such protests. |
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Post by Lobster on Apr 20, 2019 9:01:35 GMT
Like I say, I'm the only non-lefty who posts on here so I'm never winning this argument. That doesn't make what's happening at the moment right. To compare that that dreadful lot to the suffragettes is poor. Even for you. I would describe myself as left of centre and as previously stated I agree wholeheartedly with ERs cause, just not the way they have actioned it.This country is a dripping tap when it comes to contributing to greenhouse gases, whilst America, China and India have the full hosepipes constantly on.i keep searching the internet for news of protests in China but no joy, can someone enlighten me? On a side issue it would be very interesting to see how a Jeremy Corbyn government would handle such protests. That’s true, but we have nothing like the population of the countries you mention. The point is that we are responsible for a lot more emissions than we should be - more than France, for example, despite a lower population. How much coast do we have compared to most of Europe, so why does Germany uses far more wind power than us? Why do we constantly have the most expensive train fares around? China doesn’t have the same right to protest as we do (and even if it happened you might never hear about it with the way their media works) and we can’t expect the US to take any kind of lead for as long as that horrible bag of old sick is in the White House, but I think Brexit shows that the world takes notice of what goes on here. |
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Post by Derry Blue on Apr 20, 2019 19:34:38 GMT
Needless civil disobedience? If you were around 100 years ago I’m sure you’d have said the same about the Suffragettes. Like I say, I'm the only non-lefty who posts on here so I'm never winning this argument. That doesn't make what's happening at the moment right. To compare that that dreadful lot to the suffragettes is poor. Even for you. I’ve given up trying to argue with the lefties. |
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Post by Hannibal on Apr 20, 2019 20:53:40 GMT
I see Emma wanted to get herself back in the limelight.
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Post by everhopeful on Apr 21, 2019 3:35:20 GMT
Let's keep this debate on topic and stop the personal attacks please.
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Post by Mean Machine on Apr 23, 2019 19:43:38 GMT
Needless civil disobedience? If you were around 100 years ago I’m sure you’d have said the same about the Suffragettes. Like I say, I'm the only non-lefty who posts on here so I'm never winning this argument. That doesn't make what's happening at the moment right. To compare that that dreadful lot to the suffragettes is poor. Even for you. Not true, I would say I am right wing In fact the party, or parties i would vote for have been banned Therefore if i cannot vote for a party that represents my view then the whole democratic process is fundamentaly flawed |
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Post by jb on Apr 23, 2019 20:48:34 GMT
Let's keep this debate on topic and stop the personal attacks please. Good luck with that. The hard-left collegiate on here tend to specialise in personal attacks. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 11, 2019 22:27:28 GMT
You’ve got to admire XR’s action, it’s akin to the suffragette movement - let’s hope this, too, culminates in a positive change to the world.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2019 7:43:04 GMT
I fully understand peoples worry. But I don't see what they are achieving by stopping people going about their lives, these are just ordinary folk who have no say whatsoever. It might be a good idea to stand outside parliament and wave big flags thereby notifying the people who can do something
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 12, 2019 7:44:46 GMT
Massive action isn’t it? Gets everyone’s attention.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2019 8:29:36 GMT
I am merely pointing out that the people being inconvenienced are people who have no influence in these matters and are trying to go about their lives doing things like working. These actions don't gain support from these people but achieve the opposite
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 12, 2019 10:11:56 GMT
I’d like to see a Venn diagram of the people who get really angry and agitated about ordinary members of the public being inconvenienced by Extinction Rebellion activists and the people who are really sanguine and comfortable about ordinary members of the public being inconvenienced by a No Deal Brexit.
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Oct 12, 2019 19:08:31 GMT
I am merely pointing out that the people being inconvenienced are people who have no influence in these matters and are trying to go about their lives doing things like working. These actions don't gain support from these people but achieve the opposite Quite right - and I'm a remainer, just for the record.... |
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Post by Lobster on Oct 13, 2019 9:00:14 GMT
It's unfortunate that people are being inconvenienced, but maybe they should direct their anger at the government for their inaction on this very serious matter? Climate change is very inconvenient to everyone, which is why some people like to play it down or outright deny it, especially if they're making a lot of money out of something that's killing the planet.
I think the problem is that people see environmental protesters as hypocrites and an affront to their personal liberties. They start asking questions like "Well, do you have a phone? Did you drive here?" The point is that everybody is part of the problem and can make small changes that help, but it needs major action from businesses and, more significantly, governments. Sadly, that means people may have to get used to things being a bit less "convenient".
Nobody will remember that they were a bit late for work once or didn't get their shopping done if governments listen and we reverse climate change. And if they don't, time will view these protests even more favourably.
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Oct 13, 2019 9:54:46 GMT
It's unfortunate that people are being inconvenienced In some cases though it's been more than a simple inconvenience. People have had their work and earnings impacted too. Their message seems to be 'agree with us or we'll cause civil unrest and damage things'. They need standing up to, not supporting. |
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Post by Lobster on Oct 14, 2019 16:56:37 GMT
It's unfortunate that people are being inconvenienced In some cases though it's been more than a simple inconvenience. People have had their work and earnings impacted too. Their message seems to be 'agree with us or we'll cause civil unrest and damage things'. They need standing up to, not supporting. The problem is that if you don't agree with them, you don't agree with the vast majority of climate scientists, many of whom are in support of the protest. We live in a strange time when "people are tired of experts" as Michael Gove once infamously said, and there's a section of society that can't seem to accept that some people are cleverer than them. Hence the rise of the likes of flat Earth theory, anti-vaxxers and climate change denial. People are so desperate not to feel stupid, they go against scientific consensus and evidence, even though they have no evidence on which to do so, and even though they would be nothing to gain from any sort of cover-up. Personally, I'm very glad that there are people on this planet who know more than me! I'm not tired of experts, I'm tired of idiots thinking they're experts. I feel for people who are suffering because of the protests, but I suppose we've got to decide whether their inconvenience outweighs the droughts, floods, food shortages and huge impacts on poverty we're being warned of if we do nothing. I'm not ready to get myself arrested, but I don't want to look back on this time and think I just moaned about "uncooperative crusties" or whatever. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 15, 2019 8:42:47 GMT
London police arrest man dressed as broccoli for the crime of... holding a sign promoting locally sourced vegetables. As THREE police officers moved in to arrest him he yells, “Give Peas a chance!” - legend.
People like him, a 95-year old pensioner, a female local councillor, a lawyer, a rabbi and many, many others are protesting government inaction on climate change. Arresting them and banning them from the capital does not make their point go away. It just proves that the government is willing to break the law (yet again) around the right for people to peacefully protest, in order to protect its own image.
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Post by Lobster on Oct 18, 2019 7:53:44 GMT
Pretty shocking front page of the Star today celebrating violence towards the protesters.
Have to say, I don't really agree with them disrupting trains. I know it's just about getting the message across in any way necessary, but getting the train instead of driving is a realistic environmental step individuals can take.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 18, 2019 8:19:40 GMT
Aye they made a bad judgment with trains - surely sustainable public transport is what they want?!
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