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Post by chesterken on Mar 25, 2017 22:16:27 GMT
Looks like the interest in Sam is starting to ramp up now with stories of Burnley and Palace taking an interest in this weeks news24,looks like the decision to hold out is going to pay dividends, add to those all the other clubs who have had a look let's have a biding war.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Mar 25, 2017 22:29:08 GMT
Apparently he put in a decent shift in today even with an injury.
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Post by Charfield Blue on Mar 25, 2017 22:32:26 GMT
I think the club have handled Sam very shrewdly and we deserve to be paid the dividend this time around. Hoping for £150K min.
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Post by blue4life on Mar 26, 2017 4:23:48 GMT
If the club want decent money for him McCarthy needs to keep him at the back.
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Post by Hannibal on Mar 26, 2017 8:23:25 GMT
What we get up front is important, but I think a good sell-on clause could be vital in a couple of seasons when he moves on higher up the pyramid with full time training and coaching.
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Post by Johnnybling on Mar 26, 2017 10:14:26 GMT
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Post by dmcnally on Mar 26, 2017 11:34:28 GMT
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Post by Blue from the top on Mar 26, 2017 12:06:32 GMT
It is absolutely imperative we are pushing for a 25% min sell on clause, that is where Sams true value lies. Any transfer or tribunal fee will be great for the short term but when Sam is 22/23 and is a superb player because he can and will go all the way in the game we set the club up for years. Be sad to see Sam go but good luck to the lad, absolute beast of a player and I hope he goes onto the premier league and international scene - very very capable of that.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Mar 26, 2017 12:08:34 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Mar 26, 2017 12:17:47 GMT
It is absolutely imperative we are pushing for a 25% min sell on clause, that is where Sams true value lies. Any transfer or tribunal fee will be great for the short term but when Sam is 22/23 and is a superb player because he can and will go all the way in the game we set the club up for years. Be sad to see Sam go but good luck to the lad, absolute beast of a player and I hope he goes onto the premier league and international scene - very very capable of that. Wonder if he could play for Wales with a name like Hughes, or maybe he's a bit Irish like a lot of Wirral folk are? Might up his value a bit. |
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Post by Jack on Mar 26, 2017 12:35:35 GMT
Now he has been made captain, we should be looking at a nice fee for him. He's first name on the team sheet, through the academy and is local to the club, these are all things that'll be taken into consideration too.
I think 150K and a 25% sell on fee should be our aim. If he keeps progressing how he is doing, he'll certainly make us a fair whack IF we can get that clause put in.
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Post by Blue from the top on Mar 26, 2017 12:36:16 GMT
It is absolutely imperative we are pushing for a 25% min sell on clause, that is where Sams true value lies. Any transfer or tribunal fee will be great for the short term but when Sam is 22/23 and is a superb player because he can and will go all the way in the game we set the club up for years. Be sad to see Sam go but good luck to the lad, absolute beast of a player and I hope he goes onto the premier league and international scene - very very capable of that. Wonder if he could play for Wales with a name like Hughes, or maybe he's a bit Irish like a lot of Wirral folk are? Might up his value a bit. Possibly right Lobster but I think he has the talent and potential to target the England set up, get into the U21 set up and go from there. He is an outstanding footballer first and foremost who has shown he is a top top centre half. I can't think of a better centre half in the National League and it's easy to forget he is only 19 still. Most 19 year olds are playing in the youth set ups or the u23 league which lacks pure competitiveness which he will have learnt so much from in this league. |
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Post by billyw on Mar 26, 2017 13:59:47 GMT
A player comparable to Sam was a Paul Futcher and we sold him for £100k. That was over 40 years ago during which time transfer fees have exploded, but not for the small clubs it seems, thanks to Jean Marc Bosman.
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Post by bonecrusher on Mar 26, 2017 15:35:19 GMT
A player comparable to Sam was a Paul Futcher and we sold him for £100k. That was over 40 years ago during which time transfer fees have exploded, but not for the small clubs it seems, thanks to Jean Marc Bosman. Jean Marc Bosman himself wasn't the problem though really. It was the appalling way he was treated by his club at the time which caused him to take the action he did. As I understand it at the end of his contract he was offered vastly reduced terms which he (understandably - how many of you would happily accept a reduction of pay for doing the same job?) refused. The Belgian club he was with then refused to release him or his registration leaving him with no chance of signing for someone else. Read up on it - the rules previously were totally contrary to employment law as we know it. We'll get a decent fee for Sam due to his age and potential. If we had him tied down to a contract we could probably demand, and get even more. |
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Post by billyw on Mar 26, 2017 15:50:10 GMT
A player comparable to Sam was a Paul Futcher and we sold him for £100k. That was over 40 years ago during which time transfer fees have exploded, but not for the small clubs it seems, thanks to Jean Marc Bosman. Jean Marc Bosman himself wasn't the problem though really. It was the appalling way he was treated by his club at the time which caused him to take the action he did. As I understand it at the end of his contract he was offered vastly reduced terms which he (understandably - how many of you would happily accept a reduction of pay for doing the same job?) refused. The Belgian club he was with then refused to release him or his registration leaving him with no chance of signing for someone else. Read up on it - the rules previously were totally contrary to employment law as we know it. We'll get a decent fee for Sam due to his age and potential. If we had him tied down to a contract we could probably demand, and get even more. I agree. Footballers used to be treated like chattels before Bosman, although the pendulum has possibly swung too far the other way. The irony is that the vast sums players earn today are due in part to the Bosman ruling, while he himself did not really benefit and lives in relative poverty. |
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Post by guest on Mar 26, 2017 19:51:39 GMT
though the fee and sell on money are important the biggest thing we have to get right is the apperance money ie another 100.000 after say 50 games and then again after 100 games and so on thats how the smaller clubs make there money because not a lot of players go on to be transfered for big money but have a good few seasons and then move on for nothing
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Post by Chester_Blue on Mar 26, 2017 20:00:39 GMT
wont be long till sam starts in the under 21s i'm suprised he's had no england c call ups as yet
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Post by Lobster on Mar 26, 2017 20:17:08 GMT
A player comparable to Sam was a Paul Futcher and we sold him for £100k. That was over 40 years ago during which time transfer fees have exploded, but not for the small clubs it seems, thanks to Jean Marc Bosman. Jean Marc Bosman himself wasn't the problem though really. It was the appalling way he was treated by his club at the time which caused him to take the action he did. As I understand it at the end of his contract he was offered vastly reduced terms which he (understandably - how many of you would happily accept a reduction of pay for doing the same job?) refused. The Belgian club he was with then refused to release him or his registration leaving him with no chance of signing for someone else. Read up on it - the rules previously were totally contrary to employment law as we know it. We'll get a decent fee for Sam due to his age and potential. If we had him tied down to a contract we could probably demand, and get even more. To be honest, a lot of what goes on in football probably still is in contravention of employment law. The whole concept of transfer fees is pretty dubious, as is managers getting sacked for often the flimsiest of reasons. With Sam Hughes, for example, what if the tribunal fee is set and nobody's prepared to pay it? Is he just forced to keep playing for us until somebody meets the valuation, we settle for less, or he becomes old enough to leave on a Bosman? It would kill the game if transfer fees were to disappear, but really is there any other job where you can't just hand your notice in and join another company? And what if a player just flat out refused to play for his club? He might get fined by both his club and the FA, but could you actually stop him signing for someone else? |
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Post by guest on Mar 26, 2017 21:03:09 GMT
a transfer fee is not set by a tribunal untill the clubs agree the transfer
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Post by Lobster on Mar 26, 2017 21:23:41 GMT
a transfer fee is not set by a tribunal untill the clubs agree the transfer And then does it have to be paid no matter what? The buying club couldn't say "woah, that's more than we were expecting" and pull out? |
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Post by Drug tounge on Mar 26, 2017 21:29:20 GMT
I had to pull out the missus last night cuz it was more than she was expecting
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Post by Blue Boy on Mar 26, 2017 21:39:31 GMT
a transfer fee is not set by a tribunal untill the clubs agree the transfer And then does it have to be paid no matter what? The buying club couldn't say "woah, that's more than we were expecting" and pull out? I believe they have categories and formulas which set the broad boundaries of the fee , such as based on years at the club , first team appearances etc so the clubs will have a good range of the price they expect to pay or receive |
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Post by CFC Forever on Mar 26, 2017 21:41:18 GMT
I get a bit confused by this tribunal stuff can the club insist on a sell on clause or once a price has been fixed is that it ?
Reading the reports did we really refuse 75 grand plus add-ons and what were the add-ons ?
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Post by chesterken on Mar 26, 2017 21:52:53 GMT
What's in our favour here is that it looks like more than one club is interested in Sam so will they all wait until he out of contract or might one or more of them make us an offer to see if they can jump the queue. It's going to be interesting to see what happens
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Post by Blue Boy on Mar 26, 2017 22:00:13 GMT
What's in our favour here is that it looks like more than one club is interested in Sam so will they all wait until he out of contract or might one or more of them make us an offer to see if they can jump the queue. It's going to be interesting to see what happens Given the relative pittance in premiership values I would imagine the club are hoping for a take it or leave it offer from a big club to seal the signature to achieve first refusal before it becomes a contractual bidding war on a free agent |
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Post by CFC Forever on Mar 26, 2017 22:03:37 GMT
What's in our favour here is that it looks like more than one club is interested in Sam so will they all wait until he out of contract or might one or more of them make us an offer to see if they can jump the queue. It's going to be interesting to see what happens It sure will be interesting and I hope the clubs do jump in with offers as I think to refuse 75 grand with add-ons might cost the club in the long term look at John Walters. |
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Post by eyeswideopen on Mar 27, 2017 8:53:25 GMT
Not only did Barnsley make a confirmed offer, there were reports that Villa were ready to make an offer too.
Given that Palace and Burnley are interested, that's 4 clubs seriously looking at him.( that we know of)
Although the talk of sell ons are important, in the end it got us nothing with Sarcevic, it could be and lets hope not the player gets injured and doesn't recover, again that's a big gamble.
On the positive side, I think Sam could go on to play at international level, number of appearances and sell on fees could all be factored in here.
Hypothetically, we would all love to be running the club, but its a huge decision for Mark McGuire to make, ( he has already made one in refusing the first offer) Do you take a substantial fee, with no add ons, or a lesser fee with add ons
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Post by Memory Man on Mar 27, 2017 9:37:28 GMT
Not only did Barnsley make a confirmed offer, there were reports that Villa were ready to make an offer too. Given that Palace and Burnley are interested, that's 4 clubs seriously looking at him.( that we know of) Although the talk of sell ons are important, in the end it got us nothing with Sarcevic, it could be and lets hope not the player gets injured and doesn't recover, again that's a big gamble. On the positive side, I think Sam could go on to play at international level, number of appearances and sell on fees could all be factored in here. Hypothetically, we would all love to be running the club, but its a huge decision for Mark McGuire to make, ( he has already made one in refusing the first offer) Do you take a substantial fee, with no add ons, or a lesser fee with add ons Good post. I'd always advocate having clauses in there when you sell players of potential, even if there are times when it doesn't work out. Vaughan was a bloody fool not to hold out for any clauses when we sold Danny Collins to Sunderland, particularly as the initial sale fee of about £140k, while not bad, wasn't that huge. We did do it with Jon Walters when he joined Ipswich though. I'm not sure if clauses were really in use at the time but imagine how much we'd have ultimately made from selling Ian Rush if we'd say agreed a lower sale fee but had clauses in there for appearances, goals, international caps, sell-on etc (Juventus paid a lot of money for him)! |
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Post by vxblue on Mar 27, 2017 12:13:01 GMT
What's in our favour here is that it looks like more than one club is interested in Sam so will they all wait until he out of contract or might one or more of them make us an offer to see if they can jump the queue. It's going to be interesting to see what happens It sure will be interesting and I hope the clubs do jump in with offers as I think to refuse 75 grand with add-ons might cost the club in the long term look at John Walters. We'll get more than that at a tribunal, and add-ons if previous cases are anything to guy. I'd expect between 100-200k considering the criteria that is taken in to consideration. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 15:16:55 GMT
I think we will get a good deal for Sam, but its worth noting that he's a defender, who never command as much as attacking players do in the transfer market.
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