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Post by avfo on Nov 6, 2019 15:00:04 GMT
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Post by Matt on Nov 6, 2019 15:15:38 GMT
We need to get these tied down asap, I know the board jumped the gun with mad macca but these guys fit the club perfectly.
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Post by Churton Blue on Nov 6, 2019 15:30:21 GMT
We need to get these tied down asap, I know the board jumped the gun with mad macca but these guys fit the club perfectly. Sorry but I have to disagree. The reason is purely financial as at the moment the current squad is subsidized by Stuart Murphy on a somewhat ad hoc basis. Until this relationship between the club and Mr Murphy is sorted out it would simply be repeating previous mistakes with JM and NY in regard to managerial contracts.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 15:42:16 GMT
Love these two don't think we could ask for two more honest and diligent lads at the helm. They get the club and the vast majority of the fans are behind them (even if we draw a few a games on the bounce) Hope they stick with us and we with them, working our way realistically back up through the league structure. UTS
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Nov 6, 2019 17:03:10 GMT
Love these two don't think we could ask for two more honest and diligent lads at the helm. They get the club and the vast majority of the fans are behind them (even if we draw a few a games on the bounce) Hope they stick with us and we with them, working our way realistically back up through the league structure. UTS I agree. We need to build a team and a structure that sustains us. If we go up we need to stay up and challenge and that requires an excellent academy and scouting network. Halifax are a good example of where we should be.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 17:06:47 GMT
Outsiders for the Morecambe job
Sooner we get them tied up the better for the Club
If we can get out of this League this season i reckon these 2 will have a good crack at the National League
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Post by agl on Nov 6, 2019 17:48:17 GMT
I don't see the need to tie them down. Either they get us promoted and they may be tempted away anyway, or they don't and we will need to decide if they warrant another crack. Last season was poor....fell away badly in the second half of the season and suffered some shocking results. Definite improvement this season and generally impressed with their player recruitment (although hung on to a couple who perhaps should have been released). No doubting their enthusiasm, either. But still early days. I said at the start of the season they should be judged on the whole season, not the first half. Still maintain that. Top three would be excellent, anywhere else in the top seven acceptable. Anywhere outside the play offs has to be deemed a failure. Probably upset some of the Bern and Jonno groupies, but jury still out for me. We've been sucked into the pack over the last few weeks, so let's see how they handle that for starters. And don't mention Christmas.....
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Post by devadiva on Nov 6, 2019 18:15:24 GMT
Love these two don't think we could ask for two more honest and diligent lads at the helm. They get the club and the vast majority of the fans are behind them (even if we draw a few a games on the bounce) Hope they stick with us and we with them, working our way realistically back up through the league structure. UTS I agree. We need to build a team and a structure that sustains us. If we go up we need to stay up and challenge and that requires an excellent academy and scouting network. Halifax are a good example of where we should be. Spot on - for once it feels like we are building something that will be a good foundation for future success rather than the usual castle on sand. Assuming things continue as they have done this season, we’d have to be complete muppets to let these 2 go at the end of the season. Same goes for a few of the squad as well - eg Jacko.
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Post by agl on Nov 6, 2019 18:25:53 GMT
I agree. We need to build a team and a structure that sustains us. If we go up we need to stay up and challenge and that requires an excellent academy and scouting network. Halifax are a good example of where we should be. Spot on - for once it feels like we are building something that will be a good foundation for future success rather than the usual castle on sand. Assuming things continue as they have done this season, we’d have to be complete muppets to let these 2 go at the end of the season. Same goes for a few of the squad as well - eg Jacko. I think you have to be realistic that if they do well (players and managers) they will go if the money is right and they see it as a good career move. Especially as we can only offer part time contracts currently. A lot of league two clubs seem to spray contracts around to promising players from the part time leagues. Not great money but full time deals. We can't compete, sadly. Tom Crawford and James Jones being two examples. It's a myth that you 'build a squad' at this level.
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Post by devadiva on Nov 6, 2019 18:35:46 GMT
Spot on - for once it feels like we are building something that will be a good foundation for future success rather than the usual castle on sand. Assuming things continue as they have done this season, we’d have to be complete muppets to let these 2 go at the end of the season. Same goes for a few of the squad as well - eg Jacko. I think you have to be realistic that if they do well (players and managers) they will go if the money is right and they see it as a good career move. Especially as we can only offer part time contracts currently. A lot of league two clubs seem to spray contracts around to promising players from the part time leagues. Not great money but full time deals. We can't compete, sadly. Tom Crawford and James Jones being two examples. It's a myth that you 'build a squad' at this level. You are undoubtably correct - all I’m saying is let’s not make what you say any more likely to happen than would otherwise be the case. This is a problem I’d much rather have than the ones we’ve had over the last 3-4 years!
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Post by agl on Nov 6, 2019 18:41:32 GMT
I think you have to be realistic that if they do well (players and managers) they will go if the money is right and they see it as a good career move. Especially as we can only offer part time contracts currently. A lot of league two clubs seem to spray contracts around to promising players from the part time leagues. Not great money but full time deals. We can't compete, sadly. Tom Crawford and James Jones being two examples. It's a myth that you 'build a squad' at this level. You are undoubtably correct - all I’m saying is let’s not make what you say any more likely to happen than would otherwise be the case. This is a problem I’d much rather have than the ones we’ve had over the last 3-4 years! No doubt it's tricky. Let's say we give the managers a two year deal and we collapse after Christmas, finish below mid table and the fan base turns on them. What happens then, with season tickets to sell etc? We got our fingers burned with McCarthy. ON the other hand if we don't give them a decent deal they are more likely to be tempted away if we do well. They might feel the board didn't show faith in them. My preference is to err on the side of caution and see how it goes. We've also been lumbered with a fair few players who have been given long contracts and turned out to be useless... Kingsley James springs to mind
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 18:54:11 GMT
You are undoubtably correct - all I’m saying is let’s not make what you say any more likely to happen than would otherwise be the case. This is a problem I’d much rather have than the ones we’ve had over the last 3-4 years! No doubt it's tricky. Let's say we give the managers a two year deal and we collapse after Christmas, finish below mid table and the fan base turns on them. What happens then, with season tickets to sell etc? We got our fingers burned with McCarthy. ON the other hand if we don't give them a decent deal they are more likely to be tempted away if we do well. They might feel the board didn't show faith in them. My preference is to err on the side of caution and see how it goes. We've also been lumbered with a fair few players who have been given long contracts and turned out to be useless... Kingsley James springs to mind Considering someone posted on another thread last night Dudley was a wage thief (comment now been removed) Kingsley was a bigger one
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Post by trublu on Nov 6, 2019 19:02:49 GMT
Losing them to a better offer is better than being financially tied to them if it takes a turn south. Same as it would have been with McCarthy.
Hope for the best, that they keep doing the good job they have done so far and that they stick it out for the long term.
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Post by devadiva on Nov 6, 2019 19:03:15 GMT
You are undoubtably correct - all I’m saying is let’s not make what you say any more likely to happen than would otherwise be the case. This is a problem I’d much rather have than the ones we’ve had over the last 3-4 years! No doubt it's tricky. Let's say we give the managers a two year deal and we collapse after Christmas, finish below mid table and the fan base turns on them. What happens then, with season tickets to sell etc? We got our fingers burned with McCarthy. ON the other hand if we don't give them a decent deal they are more likely to be tempted away if we do well. They might feel the board didn't show faith in them. My preference is to err on the side of caution and see how it goes. We've also been lumbered with a fair few players who have been given long contracts and turned out to be useless... Kingsley James springs to mind Waiting until mid/late Jan would be my preference - if we are still looking good then I think we need to take the punt with the gaffers and maybe some players. I think that would be a good balance between us committing to them and vice versa. . Let’s face it, given the gaffers’ record it’s one hell of a lower risk than McC was.
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Post by Harry Lime on Nov 6, 2019 19:33:48 GMT
We also need to bear in mind that if the managers go, it is likely so would most of the squad.
We'd then be back to square one. Needing to select and appoint a new manager, who would then have to put a new squad together on a tight budget.
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Post by agl on Nov 6, 2019 19:34:17 GMT
No doubt it's tricky. Let's say we give the managers a two year deal and we collapse after Christmas, finish below mid table and the fan base turns on them. What happens then, with season tickets to sell etc? We got our fingers burned with McCarthy. ON the other hand if we don't give them a decent deal they are more likely to be tempted away if we do well. They might feel the board didn't show faith in them. My preference is to err on the side of caution and see how it goes. We've also been lumbered with a fair few players who have been given long contracts and turned out to be useless... Kingsley James springs to mind Waiting until mid/late Jan would be my preference - if we are still looking good then I think we need to take the punt with the gaffers and maybe some players. I think that would be a good balance between us committing to them and vice versa. . Let’s face it, given the gaffers’ record it’s one hell of a lower risk than McC was. Probably a good call. We all know Southport home and away over the festive period is going to end badly. 🙈
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 20:36:15 GMT
We also need to bear in mind that if the managers go, it is likely so would most of the squad. We'd then be back to square one. Needing to select and appoint a new manager, who would then have to put a new squad together on a tight budget. If they are only here because of the managers then I wouldn’t want them anyway. As for the current squad, next season is a step too far for many anyway, and even more so if we get promoted. No need to demotivate anyone by naming them! Dudley the wage thief?
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Post by Harry Lime on Nov 6, 2019 21:13:47 GMT
We also need to bear in mind that if the managers go, it is likely so would most of the squad. We'd then be back to square one. Needing to select and appoint a new manager, who would then have to put a new squad together on a tight budget. If they are only here because of the managers then I wouldn’t want them anyway. As for the current squad, next season is a step too far for many anyway, and even more so if we get promoted. No need to demotivate anyone by naming them! Players wouldn't hang around while a new manager was appointed, to wait and see if they maybe wanted or not. We can't really offer players contracts if we don't have the managers buy in. Our policy always has been that the managers are in charge of their budget. The club sets it. The manager puts a squad together within that budget. We would lose those we might want to keep while the recruitment process ran its course. They would, maybe reluctantly, accept an offer from elsewhere that guaranteed them a contract. It isn't as if we would be offering them much more money anyway.
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Post by Harry Lime on Nov 6, 2019 21:39:02 GMT
Players wouldn't hang around while a new manager was appointed, to wait and see if they maybe wanted or not. We can't really offer players contracts if we don't have the managers buy in. Our policy always has been that the managers are in charge of their budget. The club sets it. The manager puts a squad together within that budget. We would lose those we might want to keep while the recruitment process ran its course.They would, maybe reluctantly, accept an offer from elsewhere that guaranteed them a contract. It isn't as if we would be offering them much more money anyway. Is that the recruitment process that has never produced a manager since the club was reformed? I used the term loosely! You get my reasoning though.
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Nov 7, 2019 11:51:06 GMT
If they are only here because of the managers then I wouldn’t want them anyway. As for the current squad, next season is a step too far for many anyway, and even more so if we get promoted. No need to demotivate anyone by naming them! Dudley the wage thief? Thats a bit harsh Ian. He has had a few poor games this season but I wouldn't subscribe to that opinion. I would wait until mid January before sitting down with the managers. We will have a much better idea of where we are after the festive fixtures. If they really do get us and buy into what we are doing then they would understand our club board have to avoid past mistakes and accept a 12 month rolling contract triggered upon target achievement?
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Post by billyw on Nov 7, 2019 11:59:53 GMT
Thats a bit harsh Ian. He has had a few poor games this season but I wouldn't subscribe to that opinion. I would wait until mid January before sitting down with the managers. We will have a much better idea of where we are after the festive fixtures. If they really do get us and buy into what we are doing then they would understand our club board have to avoid past mistakes and accept a 12 month rolling contract triggered upon target achievement? Err, I think he as being sarcastic as some clown had previously made that claim before deleting it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 12:36:33 GMT
Thats a bit harsh Ian. He has had a few poor games this season but I wouldn't subscribe to that opinion. I would wait until mid January before sitting down with the managers. We will have a much better idea of where we are after the festive fixtures. If they really do get us and buy into what we are doing then they would understand our club board have to avoid past mistakes and accept a 12 month rolling contract triggered upon target achievement? Err, I think he as being sarcastic as some clown had previously made that claim before deleting it. Correct
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Post by happyclapper52 on Nov 7, 2019 16:08:36 GMT
I would give them both a 2 year extension to their contracts.
We have to think long term to survive.Cannot afford a " disposable manager" policy.
Would include a significant promotion bonus.
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Post by Si on Nov 7, 2019 17:45:16 GMT
I have some tactical reservations about the duo but I’m convinced enough to believe they have got us on the right path and they really buy into what the club is about. Their engagement and honesty with the fans is first class and it says a lot when a lot of the players who have played for them over the years have nothing but good things to say about them. If their contract was extended I wouldn’t be disappointed, but equally we have had our fingers burnt before and protecting the clubs future is the most important thing.
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Post by btb on Nov 7, 2019 19:25:07 GMT
I think the sensible thing to do is to see where we are come January and to start contract talks then but only another one year extension. Anything above that would be reckless considering what has happened previously, the level of football we are playing at and as somebody already posted the financial help we receive from, SM. Personally, I think they're doing a good job but there is also room for improvement. Mainly, finding a way to score goals and win games without, Asante.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 20:13:23 GMT
Always best to get the facts right before you post nonsense. Lowered your standards on this occasion. I posted the remark about Dudley in regard to his down-tools attitude post Christmas last season. I stand by that opinion and am still disappointed that he was given another chance. If it’s of interest, I still feel he is a poor footballer with a poor attitude and little team ethic. By the way, the post in question hasn’t been deleted. Point taken, I didn’t see your original post, I was going by what I read above about the post being deleted. Apologies, but still think you are wrong about Dudley. In Asante’s absence he should be played in his correct position. Are you Haniball in disguise ?? He's not been on for a few days and you pop up
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Post by g1 on Nov 7, 2019 22:35:30 GMT
Don't think Dudley's a wage thief more like playing out of position if there is a wage thief then its mahon who should of gone 3 years ago Dudley will come good
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Post by archwhopper on Nov 8, 2019 11:02:43 GMT
Outsiders for the Morecambe job Sooner we get them tied up the better for the Club If we can get out of this League this season i reckon these 2 will have a good crack at the National League cant see them going anywhere near morecambe, a crappy club smaller than our own, if they did go to the bright lights them 2 could have a good crack at the national league coz thats where morecambe will be next season
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Post by weareblues on Nov 8, 2019 11:17:39 GMT
Outsiders for the Morecambe job Sooner we get them tied up the better for the Club If we can get out of this League this season i reckon these 2 will have a good crack at the National League cant see them going anywhere near morecambe, a crappy club smaller than our own, if they did go to the bright lights them 2 could have a good crack at the national league coz thats where morecambe will be next season Derek Adams appointed manager at Morecambe
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Post by archwhopper on Nov 8, 2019 11:21:36 GMT
missed that , thanks for update, by the way who is derek adams?
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