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Post by eyeswideopen on Oct 21, 2021 8:10:26 GMT
Quite sad that we still have our own fans posting on here rubbishing the whole Covid thing.
Even after our own manager was hospitalized with it after ignoring his call for a vaccination and that was his second time of getting infected!.
I also guess some people have not yet lost a family member through Covid.
As for politely declining to wear a mask when asked by a shopworker, i think that says more about Bob than anything else.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 21, 2021 8:30:23 GMT
I do think until they have a family member, or God forbid themselves, really affected by this horrible virus then these Bill Gates microchip Flat Earth lizard people conspiracy wackos will never understand.
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Post by vandycandy on Oct 21, 2021 10:28:38 GMT
I do think until they have a family member, or God forbid themselves, really affected by this horrible virus then these Bill Gates microchip Flat Earth lizard people conspiracy wackos will never understand.Bit harsh on Bob. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 21, 2021 10:50:05 GMT
I do think until they have a family member, or God forbid themselves, really affected by this horrible virus then these Bill Gates microchip Flat Earth lizard people conspiracy wackos will never understand.Bit harsh on Bob. Hardly, have you seen some of his views on other issues? Whilst the internet, and social media in particular, are good at bringing people together they also have the downside of connecting conspiracy theorists and other oddballs, giving imagined credence to their bizarre ideas. 30 years ago Bob would probably be a member of his local Flat Earth Society and enjoy bimonthly meetings of his local National Front branch, in between a bit of UFO spotting. Whilst these activities are not entirely harmless at least they took place away from conventional society and their outlandish opinions were more or less aired between themselves in a sterile environment. Now, with social media, the opinions of the Bobs of this world gain extra mileage and communities of other like-minded individuals are able to feed each other’s paranoia and twisted logic. Bob’s understanding of the collapse in flu numbers is a case in point. He believes that for some reason this substantiates his reasoning the Covid is a hoax. To the rest of us it underlines the fact that the less human interactions there are, the less chance respiratory illnesses have to be transmitted. Unwittingly he has demonstrated that face coverings and social distancing actually work, although in his twisted little world clearly believes the opposite. |
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Post by Lobster on Oct 21, 2021 11:46:40 GMT
Hardly, have you seen some of his views on other issues? Whilst the internet, and social media in particular, are good at bringing people together they also have the downside of connecting conspiracy theorists and other oddballs, giving imagined credence to their bizarre ideas. 30 years ago Bob would probably be a member of his local Flat Earth Society and enjoy bimonthly meetings of his local National Front branch, in between a bit of UFO spotting. Whilst these activities are not entirely harmless at least they took place away from conventional society and their outlandish opinions were more or less aired between themselves in a sterile environment. Now, with social media, the opinions of the Bobs of this world gain extra mileage and communities of other like-minded individuals are able to feed each other’s paranoia and twisted logic. Bob’s understanding of the collapse in flu numbers is a case in point. He believes that for some reason this substantiates his reasoning the Covid is a hoax. To the rest of us it underlines the fact that the less human interactions there are, the less chance respiratory illnesses have to be transmitted. Unwittingly he has demonstrated that face coverings and social distancing actually work, although in his twisted little world clearly believes the opposite. The thing is even for something as daft as the whole shape-changing reptilians thing, I can at least understand the premise of the conspiracy. I can see how it would be the interests of the supposed lizards to masquerade as world leaders. David Icke's assertion that fear and evil are controlling forces is not that crazy in itself, it's the whole supernatural element that's bonkers. Covid denial fails at the first hurdle in that there's no point in the lie. In a capitalist society, how is anyone gaining anything from pretending we need to stay at home and avoid crowded spaces? How come all world leaders, who can't agree on basic things like world peace and ending hunger, can agree to fabricate a pandemic? It's up there with Flat Earth in that respect - why would every astronomer and space agency go to such great lengths to lie about the shape of the world?
And also, if we assume for a minute that the Bobs of the world are correct, what are they doing to use this knowledge in a beneficial way? It seems to me all they do is insult people, tell them to "wake up", call them "sheeple", "slaves" or whatever. It comes across as gloating. They seem like insecure and somewhat misanthropic people who get off on the idea that they know something others don't.
If it does turn out that we've all been conned and Bill Gates has microchipped us so that we all use Windows 11 or whatever, I won't be thinking "oh, if only I'd listened to the Covid deniers", I'll be thinking "given they actually had access to enhanced knowledge, why did they insist on presenting their argument in such an offensive, unprofessional and non-believable way?"
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Post by eyeswideopen on Oct 21, 2021 14:26:38 GMT
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Oct 21, 2021 16:46:10 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Oct 21, 2021 16:46:10 GMT
Rees-Mogg is the id of the Tory. He hasn't learned to moderate his language. But he basically gives an undiluted insight into how they all think. |
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Post by arthuro on Oct 22, 2021 7:26:51 GMT
You can’t take him seriously it’s like he’s just landed on the planet. So detached from reality it’s unreal. |
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Nov 14, 2021 8:46:35 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 14, 2021 8:46:35 GMT
7,000 new companies were set up in London last year. They claimed payments of over £26mn of taxpayers money under the governments furlough scheme. Between the 7,000 they were registered to just five addresses.
Just leaving that here.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 22, 2021 12:45:49 GMT
Javid on Marr at the weekend said he doesn’t want to see UK Covid cases/deaths to reach European mainland numbers.
Presumably he means he doesn’t want our numbers to reduce DOWN to the levels in Europe seeing as, at 19/11:
France 7.35m cases, 118,373 deaths
Germany 5.24m/98,739
Italy 4.89m/133,034
The UK 9.81m/144k
World-beating.
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Post by Lobster on Nov 22, 2021 13:17:00 GMT
Javid on Marr at the weekend said he doesn’t want to see UK Covid cases/deaths to reach European mainland numbers. Presumably he means he doesn’t want our numbers to reduce DOWN to the levels in Europe seeing as, at 19/11: France 7.35m cases, 118,373 deaths Germany 5.24m/98,739 Italy 4.89m/133,034 The UK 9.81m/144k World-beating. Maybe he meant all of mainland Europe combined? |
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Post by Lobster on Nov 24, 2021 14:53:40 GMT
I see that today they've said babies are banned from the House of Commons. Bit harsh when many of them are democratically elected.
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Post by Lobster on Nov 27, 2021 19:23:38 GMT
Masks compulsory again in shops and public transport as of next week. Should never have been done away with, that. The fact that the NHS has kept the rule in place should've said a lot.
Problem is it seems to me like 70-80% of people have got out of the habit of wearing them now and will now suddenly acquire "health conditions" that mean they can't.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 28, 2021 5:41:25 GMT
In a just and humane world people would be vaccinated globally based on risk profile, regardless of what country they live in. It is of course both absurd and dangerous that somebody like me, who has incredibly low risk of serious illness from coronavirus, will be vaccinated probably years before a pensioner with underlying health conditions in a country without the expertise or finance to produce or buy vaccines. Spot on. The point I made a couple of months ago on here (which got shouted down by the usual suspects) about there still being 130 countries who have not been able to administer a single vaccine dose between them due to the hoarding of the richer nations, applies. The UN say that 75% of the total world vaccinations so far have been issued by just ten countries. In a global world it isn’t simply about fairness and evenness, this obviously poses a public health threat to those countries who have been able to afford mass vaccination as the virus still rages around the world. Every nation has a duty to promote fair and equitable distribution of vaccines, and make them accessible and affordable for developing countries, including those in conflict. Forgive me for quoting myself here but almost 12 months on from that original point I made about the rich countries hoarding all the vaccines and disposing of unused vaccines, whilst poorer countries are priced out of acquiring vaccines by the patenting by Big Pharma corporations whose only purpose is to make themselves ever more richer. Be interesting to hear from some of those posters who shot down my idea that it’s a global pandemic affecting the entire world and “we’re not all safe until we’re all safe” - now ANOTHER new variant from elsewhere in the world has landed on our shores. Some of the comments I got back from certain posters at the time, as you can see, say an awful lot. |
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Post by everhopeful on Dec 1, 2021 9:29:07 GMT
Spot on. The point I made a couple of months ago on here (which got shouted down by the usual suspects) about there still being 130 countries who have not been able to administer a single vaccine dose between them due to the hoarding of the richer nations, applies. The UN say that 75% of the total world vaccinations so far have been issued by just ten countries. In a global world it isn’t simply about fairness and evenness, this obviously poses a public health threat to those countries who have been able to afford mass vaccination as the virus still rages around the world. Every nation has a duty to promote fair and equitable distribution of vaccines, and make them accessible and affordable for developing countries, including those in conflict. Forgive me for quoting myself here but almost 12 months on from that original point I made about the rich countries hoarding all the vaccines and disposing of unused vaccines, whilst poorer countries are priced out of acquiring vaccines by the patenting by Big Pharma corporations whose only purpose is to make themselves ever more richer. Be interesting to hear from some of those posters who shot down my idea that it’s a global pandemic affecting the entire world and “we’re not all safe until we’re all safe” - now ANOTHER new variant from elsewhere in the world has landed on our shores. Some of the comments I got back from certain posters at the time, as you can see, say an awful lot. And who, no doubt, have refused to have the vaccine themselves and denied it to their children!! |
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Post by Lobster on Dec 3, 2021 17:55:21 GMT
Happened to catch a bit of Matt Hancock on Robert Peston's show the other night. Why that fraud is still being given a platform I'm not sure, but anyway, there was a great bit where he was asked why he handed a huge PPE contract to a personal contact with no experience in providing it.
I'm paraphrasing, but his response was something along the lines of "well, it might seem unheard of to you, but then Covid was unheard of to all of us". Utter nonsense that made everyone in the studio struggle not to laugh. If it wasn't so serious that guy would be hilarious!
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 9, 2021 20:39:48 GMT
Yet another dead cat or two… or three… or four.
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Post by Lobster on Dec 10, 2021 8:14:37 GMT
It's quite enjoyable watching them squirm, but I suspect they will wriggle their way out of it. If your position has never been tenable, there's not a lot you can do to lose it.
Yet again, the only thing I find surprising is that anyone is surprised. How can anyone be amazed that Boris Johnson is lying, betraying and doing what he wants? He's always been like this. That's why you shouldn't have voted for him.
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Post by Lobster on Dec 10, 2021 12:29:50 GMT
Any thoughts on "Plan B"?
Got to admit I'm finding it difficult now. I worry that if we're going to have on-off rules and guidance every time there's a new varient, this will dictate the rest of our lives. Not convinced it justifies the mental toll its taking on people.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 10, 2021 14:47:08 GMT
Spot on. The point I made a couple of months ago on here (which got shouted down by the usual suspects) about there still being 130 countries who have not been able to administer a single vaccine dose between them due to the hoarding of the richer nations, applies. The UN say that 75% of the total world vaccinations so far have been issued by just ten countries. In a global world it isn’t simply about fairness and evenness, this obviously poses a public health threat to those countries who have been able to afford mass vaccination as the virus still rages around the world. Every nation has a duty to promote fair and equitable distribution of vaccines, and make them accessible and affordable for developing countries, including those in conflict. Forgive me for quoting myself here but almost 12 months on from that original point I made about the rich countries hoarding all the vaccines and disposing of unused vaccines, whilst poorer countries are priced out of acquiring vaccines by the patenting by Big Pharma corporations whose only purpose is to make themselves ever more richer. Be interesting to hear from some of those posters who shot down my idea that it’s a global pandemic affecting the entire world and “we’re not all safe until we’re all safe” - now ANOTHER new variant from elsewhere in the world has landed on our shores. Some of the comments I got back from certain posters at the time, as you can see, say an awful lot. All comes back to this, Lobster. |
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Post by lincolnexile on Dec 10, 2021 18:40:52 GMT
Any thoughts on "Plan B"? Got to admit I'm finding it difficult now. I worry that if we're going to have on-off rules and guidance every time there's a new varient, this will dictate the rest of our lives. Not convinced it justifies the mental toll its taking on people. The big problem is that the rules regarding isolation, testing, masks, etc... change by the day so no one is 100 percent sure what restrictions are in place. |
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Post by Lobster on Dec 10, 2021 22:24:21 GMT
Any thoughts on "Plan B"? Got to admit I'm finding it difficult now. I worry that if we're going to have on-off rules and guidance every time there's a new varient, this will dictate the rest of our lives. Not convinced it justifies the mental toll its taking on people. The big problem is that the rules regarding isolation, testing, masks, etc... change by the day so no one is 100 percent sure what restrictions are in place. Plus those who dictate the rules don't appear to follow them. |
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Post by bb93 on Dec 11, 2021 19:59:25 GMT
Any thoughts on "Plan B"? Got to admit I'm finding it difficult now. I worry that if we're going to have on-off rules and guidance every time there's a new varient, this will dictate the rest of our lives. Not convinced it justifies the mental toll its taking on people. We seem to be the only country in the world who's running scared of this variant. It makes up 100% of South Africa's cases and they're still at Level 1 on their Covid response. There's also mounting evidence it might be starting to peak there already, this could come to look like a massive overreaction by our government. And as for vaccine passports, they're a disgrace. Completely illiberal, but also from a practical perspective, completely pointless if the fully vaccinated can still catch and spread it |
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Post by Lobster on Dec 12, 2021 11:08:35 GMT
Any thoughts on "Plan B"? Got to admit I'm finding it difficult now. I worry that if we're going to have on-off rules and guidance every time there's a new varient, this will dictate the rest of our lives. Not convinced it justifies the mental toll its taking on people. We seem to be the only country in the world who's running scared of this variant. It makes up 100% of South Africa's cases and they're still at Level 1 on their Covid response. There's also mounting evidence it might be starting to peak there already, this could come to look like a massive overreaction by our government. And as for vaccine passports, they're a disgrace. Completely illiberal, but also from a practical perspective, completely pointless if the fully vaccinated can still catch and spread it Well, you're kind of saying the vaccine itself is pointless there. Yes, vaccinated people can catch and spread it, but they should be a lot less affected by it. The idea behind vaccine passports is to protect the unvaccinated more than anything. A nurse I know reckons 80-90% of the people in her ward with Covid at the moment are unvaccinated. I don't want anyone to suffer whether they've had the jab or not, but it makes me wonder how many liberties we're sacrificing for the benefit of people choosing to ignore medical advice. I'm not big on the idea of vaccine passports though. If you marginalise these people they just dig their heels even more. I'd like to see some kind of campaign set up where sceptics can just go and chat with a medic, tell them about some Facebook video they've seen and the medic can tell them why it's a load of bollocks. Some anti-vaxxers are beyond reasoning but many are just impressionable. |
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Post by Lobster on Dec 12, 2021 11:19:51 GMT
Not like me to praise the tabloids but I do quite like the way they're releasing more incriminating evidence by the day so the government have to keep back-peddling.
I'm assuming the grand finale will be a video of Boris with a party hat on, drunkenly singing Fairytale of New York with his arms around Rees-Mogg and Gove.
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Post by bb93 on Dec 12, 2021 18:14:40 GMT
We seem to be the only country in the world who's running scared of this variant. It makes up 100% of South Africa's cases and they're still at Level 1 on their Covid response. There's also mounting evidence it might be starting to peak there already, this could come to look like a massive overreaction by our government. And as for vaccine passports, they're a disgrace. Completely illiberal, but also from a practical perspective, completely pointless if the fully vaccinated can still catch and spread it Well, you're kind of saying the vaccine itself is pointless there. Yes, vaccinated people can catch and spread it, but they should be a lot less affected by it. The idea behind vaccine passports is to protect the unvaccinated more than anything. A nurse I know reckons 80-90% of the people in her ward with Covid at the moment are unvaccinated. I don't want anyone to suffer whether they've had the jab or not, but it makes me wonder how many liberties we're sacrificing for the benefit of people choosing to ignore medical advice. I'm not big on the idea of vaccine passports though. If you marginalise these people they just dig their heels even more. I'd like to see some kind of campaign set up where sceptics can just go and chat with a medic, tell them about some Facebook video they've seen and the medic can tell them why it's a load of bollocks. Some anti-vaxxers are beyond reasoning but many are just impressionable. I'm not saying the vaccine is pointless because it's doing it's job and protecting people from serious illness and death, what I have a problem with is the state dictating to people what they can and can't do because they decided against having a medical procedure, and I don't think the argument of they can spread it to the vaccinated is very strong if other vaccinated people can also spread it |
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Post by mrburns on Dec 13, 2021 1:47:28 GMT
Can we still watch the blues without a covid passport?
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Post by Ian H Block on Dec 13, 2021 9:32:51 GMT
Any thoughts on "Plan B"? Got to admit I'm finding it difficult now. I worry that if we're going to have on-off rules and guidance every time there's a new varient, this will dictate the rest of our lives. Not convinced it justifies the mental toll its taking on people. We seem to be the only country in the world who's running scared of this variant. It makes up 100% of South Africa's cases and they're still at Level 1 on their Covid response. There's also mounting evidence it might be starting to peak there already, this could come to look like a massive overreaction by our government. And as for vaccine passports, they're a disgrace. Completely illiberal, but also from a practical perspective, completely pointless if the fully vaccinated can still catch and spread it I agree that vaccine passports and mandatory vaccinations are illiberal, but then again much of what this Government does is similarly fascistic. I would like to see similar righteous anger over the Nationality and Borders Bill which gives powers to remove citizenship from up to 6million people without notice, or the Police and Crime Bill which effectively bans public protest with up to 51 weeks in jail for those found guilty. Alas, unlike vaccinations, the targeting of brown-skinned people or political activists does not impact on the self-obsessed, look out for number one brigade, so it’s largely ignored. |
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Post by Lobster on Dec 13, 2021 9:44:00 GMT
Well, you're kind of saying the vaccine itself is pointless there. Yes, vaccinated people can catch and spread it, but they should be a lot less affected by it. The idea behind vaccine passports is to protect the unvaccinated more than anything. A nurse I know reckons 80-90% of the people in her ward with Covid at the moment are unvaccinated. I don't want anyone to suffer whether they've had the jab or not, but it makes me wonder how many liberties we're sacrificing for the benefit of people choosing to ignore medical advice. I'm not big on the idea of vaccine passports though. If you marginalise these people they just dig their heels even more. I'd like to see some kind of campaign set up where sceptics can just go and chat with a medic, tell them about some Facebook video they've seen and the medic can tell them why it's a load of bollocks. Some anti-vaxxers are beyond reasoning but many are just impressionable. I'm not saying the vaccine is pointless because it's doing it's job and protecting people from serious illness and death, what I have a problem with is the state dictating to people what they can and can't do because they decided against having a medical procedure, and I don't think the argument of they can spread it to the vaccinated is very strong if other vaccinated people can also spread it From a liberal point of view I agree with you, but from a practical one I can't make much sense of your argument. Yes vaccinated people can catch and spread it, but unvaccinated people are a far greater risk to themselves and others, so it's just about minimising the risk. |
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Post by Lobster on Dec 13, 2021 15:44:17 GMT
A segment of the lunchtime news I caught today:
Reporter: You've said you think Boris Johnson has many attributes that make him a great leader at this time. Can you give me some of these attributes?
Leader of the Scottish Conservatives: Well, he's the democratically elected leader of the United Kingdom.
Reporter: That's not an attribute. I asked for some attributes.
Leader of the Scottish Conservatives: (repeats the same answer again)
Honestly, it makes me want to scream. All he's being asked to do there is "say something good about Boris Johnson" and he couldn't do it, and he supports him! I hate his guts and I'm pretty sure even I could blag a better answer than that!
Why why why do people vote for these idiots?
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