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Post by Johnnybling on Apr 9, 2017 9:49:58 GMT
Well the seasons nearly over thank god, I for one think it's been a season we need to forget, as per the title I do think the board have to take some responsibility in our down turn, why? The budget for one to give JM a piss poor budget when we average over 2000 is poor.
JM states that we need to judge him over the season well if that means having a bottom 4 budget and finishing 5th from bottom, you could argue that's a success. I can see why JM states this squad has over achieved, because clearly the budget given was shit.
Yes we are in the national league and punching above our weight, however we didn't have any sugar daddy's in the Macclesfield days ifrc?? Or in the early 90's when we were consistently acheiving strong finishing positions, so what's changed? Yes we are a fan owned club, now it shouldn't stop us having a decent stab at this league we SHOULD be challenging near the top half with a half decent budget, therefore I do believe the mistakes made lie at the top rather then at JM.
I don't think it helps our cause when JM doesn't bollock the team in his eyes he won't because they have over achieved, what we should do is budget developing an extra player each year and selling on, not saying give an extra 100k on the budget but rather a percentage say 25% of the players value,this way we should be concentrating on developing the youth a bit like Crewe did in the late 90's. A bit like of speculate to accumulate springs to mind, we HAVE one of the best non league youth teams in the area.
Currently we are drifting reliant on crappy loan deals with no hope of signing anyone permanent, yes Lynch is the exception, however the board is wrong we have a general manager creaming a wage and a CEO too how much could this save if one went?
It would be interesting to see how JM did with a top 10 budget like him or loath him I do feel he wasn't given the tools to start with and we are where we are with it. Again next season I worry my only hope is Sam Hughes brings in 200k and he is given at least 30-50% of this for the budget, if not we are well and truly done for next season and relegation almost seems a certainty without even kick a ball.
Yes I hear about being prudent and rainy day funds etc, however the club will only be successful by developing its own, we really should now be focusing on giving some more youngsters a chance over the last few games.
So my message to the board is simple you pay peanuts you get monkeys, if we are all happy to finish 5th from bottom each season fine but I do feel the board has to take some responsibility towards the mess we find ourselves in, the club isn't attractive in its current format.
As for JM 9 home defeats out of 10 isn't ideal and anyone else should and probably would of been sacked however I do feel this is a cover up the budget by the board. Like I said earlier a 5th from bottom budget finishing mid table represents progress however which way we look at it like or not we are stuck with what we have unless an injection of capital or change to the budget takes place.
The rainy day fund will gradually be eroded by dwindling crowds over the next few seasons and that's when we will find ourselves in the shit.
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Post by tarvinblue on Apr 9, 2017 10:14:07 GMT
Even the so called war chest is pittance in comparison with what some clubs at this level are throwing around and it would be suicidal to hand what's in it to JM. Any Sam Highest money will pay off this year's debts and be added to the coffers. We are also going to need it to cover future debts from dwindling crowds. Look at what Braintree achieved last year on scraps. It can be done at this level with the right person in charge. We are only not in the bottom 4 because of the Sharps-inspired run. Break the season down and that pattern is absolutely relevant. JM is living off the back of it and will until next season when it no longer applies and we are in the mire. Maybe this squad is good enough as they were responsible for that run, which only highlights further where the problem actually lies.
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Post by gone4eva on Apr 9, 2017 10:22:29 GMT
What is their mandate in terms of actual number of fans voting?
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Post by Blue Realist on Apr 9, 2017 10:36:27 GMT
Well the seasons nearly over thank god, I for one think it's been a season we need to forget, as per the title I do think the board have to take some responsibility in our down turn, why? The budget for one to give JM a piss poor budget when we average over 2000 is poor. JM states that we need to judge him over the season well if that means having a bottom 4 budget and finishing 5th from bottom, you could argue that's a success. I can see why JM states this squad has over achieved, because clearly the budget given was shit. Yes we are in the national league and punching above our weight, however we didn't have any sugar daddy's in the Macclesfield days ifrc?? Or in the early 90's when we were consistently acheiving strong finishing positions, so what's changed? Yes we are a fan owned club, now it shouldn't stop us having a decent stab at this league we SHOULD be challenging near the top half with a half decent budget, therefore I do believe the mistakes made lie at the top rather then at JM. I don't think it helps our cause when JM doesn't bollock the team in his eyes he won't because they have over achieved, what we should do is budget developing an extra player each year and selling on, not saying give an extra 100k on the budget but rather a percentage say 25% of the players value,this way we should be concentrating on developing the youth a bit like Crewe did in the late 90's. A bit like of speculate to accumulate springs to mind, we HAVE one of the best non league youth teams in the area. Currently we are drifting reliant on crappy loan deals with no hope of signing anyone permanent, yes Lynch is the exception, however the board is wrong we have a general manager creaming a wage and a CEO too how much could this save if one went? It would be interesting to see how JM did with a top 10 budget like him or loath him I do feel he wasn't given the tools to start with and we are where we are with it. Again next season I worry my only hope is Sam Hughes brings in 200k and he is given at least 30-50% of this for the budget, if not we are well and truly done for next season and relegation almost seems a certainty without even kick a ball. Yes I hear about being prudent and rainy day funds etc, however the club will only be successful by developing its own, we really should now be focusing on giving some more youngsters a chance over the last few games. So my message to the board is simple you pay peanuts you get monkeys, if we are all happy to finish 5th from bottom each season fine but I do feel the board has to take some responsibility towards the mess we find ourselves in, the club isn't attractive in its current format. As for JM 9 home defeats out of 10 isn't ideal and anyone else should and probably would of been sacked however I do feel this is a cover up the budget by the board. Like I said earlier a 5th from bottom budget finishing mid table represents progress however which way we look at it like or not we are stuck with what we have unless an injection of capital or change to the budget takes place. The rainy day fund will gradually be eroded by dwindling crowds over the next few seasons and that's when we will find ourselves in the shit.
I suspect, has been said before, that our budget it is somewhere in the lower mid-table range. Although I believe it is not a bottom 7 budget. That said , given previous spending and financial pressures, the budget will inevitably be lower than 2 years ago . In any event, given the unacceptable level of performances, I very much doubt that McCarthy would have done very much better with an increased budget . But, if budget pressures are so severe that we couldn’t sign an additional striker (even on loan), perhaps the Board should be looking at whether we can really afford some of the reasonably paid backroom staff which have been hired, including the CEO.
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Post by guest on Apr 9, 2017 11:34:30 GMT
i think you will find that there is only one team in this league with a lower budget than chester fc
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Post by Bemused blue on Apr 9, 2017 11:39:14 GMT
i think you will find that there is only one team in this league with a lower budget than chester fc When we have the 8th highest avg attendance for the season how can we have such a poor budget, if we got 1000 fans each game I'd accept it but we have averaged 2044 this season. |
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Post by Blue Realist on Apr 9, 2017 11:59:26 GMT
i think you will find that there is only one team in this league with a lower budget than chester fc If this is the case as regards the First Team budget , I haven't heard this before, and quite frankly would raise very serious doubts about the continuing sustainability of the club at this level. If this is the case, where has the Board found the money from to hire reasonably well paid staff behind the scenes ? It doesn't seem to add up. |
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Post by Harry Lime on Apr 9, 2017 12:25:22 GMT
Any suggestions where the extra money comes from then?
Forget other clubs 'average attendances'. Bromley's budget is apparently over £500k and they're not alone. Nearly all the Southern clubs have a rich owner funding them. But like SV did with us for a while. How do you think we got Daryl Clare etc in?
The Chief Excellent was brought in to bring in the extra funds to help us compete. That's a speculate to accumulate thing. If he doesn't bring any in, presumably he'll be gone. He hasn't had a close season yet to do his stuff. That's watch and judge then.
It's a real frustration for us as a set of supporters. I don't know the answers any more than the next fan. We can all shout and scream and rant, but any advance will be a slow journey. We need to support the club in what they do.
Why would the floating fan come down if all they hear is most of the supoorters moaning and saying we're shit? Lots of people read devachat and listen to us in the pub and form their opinion based on second hand rants.
Agreed that then if they do come down they see a side that has 2 shots all game, and they don't come back. It's a vicious circle and unfortunately maybe we're not helping the situation either.
How does the CE bring in new sponsors and fans if all they hear is negative? Would you invest in that? Remember SV shafted most of the local business sponsors at least once.
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Post by Disgruntled on Apr 9, 2017 18:28:36 GMT
Well the seasons nearly over thank god, I for one think it's been a season we need to forget, as per the title I do think the board have to take some responsibility in our down turn, why? The budget for one to give JM a piss poor budget when we average over 2000 is poor. JM states that we need to judge him over the season well if that means having a bottom 4 budget and finishing 5th from bottom, you could argue that's a success. I can see why JM states this squad has over achieved, because clearly the budget given was shit. Yes we are in the national league and punching above our weight, however we didn't have any sugar daddy's in the Macclesfield days ifrc?? Or in the early 90's when we were consistently acheiving strong finishing positions, so what's changed? Yes we are a fan owned club, now it shouldn't stop us having a decent stab at this league we SHOULD be challenging near the top half with a half decent budget, therefore I do believe the mistakes made lie at the top rather then at JM. I don't think it helps our cause when JM doesn't bollock the team in his eyes he won't because they have over achieved, what we should do is budget developing an extra player each year and selling on, not saying give an extra 100k on the budget but rather a percentage say 25% of the players value,this way we should be concentrating on developing the youth a bit like Crewe did in the late 90's. A bit like of speculate to accumulate springs to mind, we HAVE one of the best non league youth teams in the area. Currently we are drifting reliant on crappy loan deals with no hope of signing anyone permanent, yes Lynch is the exception, however the board is wrong we have a general manager creaming a wage and a CEO too how much could this save if one went? It would be interesting to see how JM did with a top 10 budget like him or loath him I do feel he wasn't given the tools to start with and we are where we are with it. Again next season I worry my only hope is Sam Hughes brings in 200k and he is given at least 30-50% of this for the budget, if not we are well and truly done for next season and relegation almost seems a certainty without even kick a ball. Yes I hear about being prudent and rainy day funds etc, however the club will only be successful by developing its own, we really should now be focusing on giving some more youngsters a chance over the last few games. So my message to the board is simple you pay peanuts you get monkeys, if we are all happy to finish 5th from bottom each season fine but I do feel the board has to take some responsibility towards the mess we find ourselves in, the club isn't attractive in its current format. As for JM 9 home defeats out of 10 isn't ideal and anyone else should and probably would of been sacked however I do feel this is a cover up the budget by the board. Like I said earlier a 5th from bottom budget finishing mid table represents progress however which way we look at it like or not we are stuck with what we have unless an injection of capital or change to the budget takes place. The rainy day fund will gradually be eroded by dwindling crowds over the next few seasons and that's when we will find ourselves in the shit. |
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Post by Lobster on Apr 9, 2017 18:54:39 GMT
i think you will find that there is only one team in this league with a lower budget than chester fc When we have the 8th highest avg attendance for the season how can we have such a poor budget, if we got 1000 fans each game I'd accept it but we have averaged 2044 this season. Because we're being financially responsible? |
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Post by bluboy79 on Apr 9, 2017 19:37:35 GMT
Budgets aren't everything at this level, organisation team spirit and fitness are also key factors of which we have none. The Cowley brothers have performed miracles at Braintree on shoe string budget and managed to get Lincoln to top of table and great up run with almost same players as last season , so it shows it can be done.
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Post by Johnnybling on Apr 10, 2017 8:57:03 GMT
Budgets aren't everything at this level, organisation team spirit and fitness are also key factors of which we have none. The Cowley brothers have performed miracles at Braintree on shoe string budget and managed to get Lincoln to top of table and great up run with almost same players as last season , so it shows it can be done. yes but that's like playing Russian roulette hoping for that once in a million chance your manager gets you to the top of the league on the shittest budget, most other occasions you would be relegated, working with the lowest budget this would be fair to say would A -get you the dross that's left, and B - almost certainly relegate you. Braintree were lucky, no way could JM do what the Cowleys have done with that budget. Look at Braintree this season without Coowley and the same budget there nailed on to go down. |
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Post by boughtonblue on Apr 10, 2017 9:25:15 GMT
Even the so called war chest is pittance in comparison with what some clubs at this level are throwing around and it would be suicidal to hand what's in it to JM. Any Sam Highest money will pay off this year's debts and be added to the coffers. We are also going to need it to cover future debts from dwindling crowds. Look at what Braintree achieved last year on scraps. It can be done at this level with the right person in charge. We are only not in the bottom 4 because of the Sharps-inspired run. Break the season down and that pattern is absolutely relevant. JM is living off the back of it and will until next season when it no longer applies and we are in the mire. Maybe this squad is good enough as they were responsible for that run, which only highlights further where the problem actually lies. Wrexham are reducing their budget by loaning out or letting players before the season ends. It seems that our decision not to bolster the squad in January maybe in order to help the budget next season especially as safety has almost been guaranteed. Red passion is moaning about giving Keats a long term contract etc and we have the same moaners on here wanting to stick the boot in to JM. The thinking that if we get relegated the club will fold blah, blah, blah is erroneous. It will not be the end of the club, attendances will pick up because we will be a bigger player in a slightly smaller pool. Chester fans turn up when we are winning and gradually crawl back into the woodwork when we struggle. The average attendances have not really changed for the last 30 years when linked to our results. The model we have now is sustainable in the lower leagues as we will have to tailor our budget accordingly (this is the way is should be IMO). Yes its a crap run but stick with it, it's what supporting the blues (or any non league team) is all about. |
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Post by peterkaysock on Apr 10, 2017 10:28:14 GMT
Even the so called war chest is pittance in comparison with what some clubs at this level are throwing around and it would be suicidal to hand what's in it to JM. Any Sam Highest money will pay off this year's debts and be added to the coffers. We are also going to need it to cover future debts from dwindling crowds. Look at what Braintree achieved last year on scraps. It can be done at this level with the right person in charge. We are only not in the bottom 4 because of the Sharps-inspired run. Break the season down and that pattern is absolutely relevant. JM is living off the back of it and will until next season when it no longer applies and we are in the mire. Maybe this squad is good enough as they were responsible for that run, which only highlights further where the problem actually lies. Wrexham are reducing their budget by loaning out or letting players before the season ends. It seems that our decision not to bolster the squad in January maybe in order to help the budget next season especially as safety has almost been guaranteed. Red passion is moaning about giving Keats a long term contract etc and we have the same moaners on here wanting to stick the boot in to JM. The thinking that if we get relegated the club will fold blah, blah, blah is erroneous. It will not be the end of the club, attendances will pick up because we will be a bigger player in a slightly smaller pool. Chester fans turn up when we are winning and gradually crawl back into the woodwork when we struggle. The average attendances have not really changed for the last 30 years when linked to our results. The model we have now is sustainable in the lower leagues as we will have to tailor our budget accordingly (this is the way is should be IMO). Yes its a crap run but stick with it, it's what supporting the blues (or any non league team) is all about. Cant disagree with that, most realistic post i have read for sometime |
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Post by Si on Apr 10, 2017 12:14:55 GMT
Even the so called war chest is pittance in comparison with what some clubs at this level are throwing around and it would be suicidal to hand what's in it to JM. Any Sam Highest money will pay off this year's debts and be added to the coffers. We are also going to need it to cover future debts from dwindling crowds. Look at what Braintree achieved last year on scraps. It can be done at this level with the right person in charge. We are only not in the bottom 4 because of the Sharps-inspired run. Break the season down and that pattern is absolutely relevant. JM is living off the back of it and will until next season when it no longer applies and we are in the mire. Maybe this squad is good enough as they were responsible for that run, which only highlights further where the problem actually lies. Wrexham are reducing their budget by loaning out or letting players before the season ends. It seems that our decision not to bolster the squad in January maybe in order to help the budget next season especially as safety has almost been guaranteed. Red passion is moaning about giving Keats a long term contract etc and we have the same moaners on here wanting to stick the boot in to JM. The thinking that if we get relegated the club will fold blah, blah, blah is erroneous. It will not be the end of the club, attendances will pick up because we will be a bigger player in a slightly smaller pool. Chester fans turn up when we are winning and gradually crawl back into the woodwork when we struggle. The average attendances have not really changed for the last 30 years when linked to our results. The model we have now is sustainable in the lower leagues as we will have to tailor our budget accordingly (this is the way is should be IMO). Yes its a crap run but stick with it, it's what supporting the blues (or any non league team) is all about. I could understand that to a certain extent - I remember when there was all the eagerness to sign Lloyd permanently and push on with some signings but realistically we were never going to make the play offs so there was no point in splashing out when we could keep that in the budget for next year. However, he went too far the other way and the decision in particular to not sign a striker has backfired terribly. I imagine he was thinking we'd get by with just Alabi and Kane until the end of the season without dipping into the budget, and as we are pretty much safe with a few games left so he might argue that he achieved that, but in doing so we have been on an awful run which has killed any enthusiasm and the home form has been so dire that people are saying that won't buy season tickets etc. Did he save enough money to compensate for lack of season ticket sales? For what its worth I would keep Macca on, but I'd like him to admit the shortcomings of the squad, acknowledge that the 2017 form has not been acceptable and endeavor to improve things for next season. At the moment, his version of being positive is rambling on about the first half of the season whenever anyone challenges him and relentlessly backing his squad - I'd find it more positive if he accepted the justified criticism as at least you'd be able to see a man who can recognise a clear problem and try and sort it. We've not won a home game in 2017, and our manager is telling us he wants this squad to stay, so the club can't really grumble if we don't shift season tickets when this is the sort of noise our manager is making. |
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Post by YELLOW CARD on Apr 10, 2017 12:20:32 GMT
Their are many comments about the budget, and other team's budgets; people are only guessing these figures, Football Clubs are a business and the budget information is kept confidential by each Club; do you honestly think someone would declare their finances to the public the answer is no.
Remember also it is not always budgets than win trophies it is good Management skills and getting the best from the playing resources you have ie Leicester winning the Premiership.
As mentioned on another thread the Scouting side of the Club needs to be looked at, Managers cannot learn how teams play from a DVD, as the camera only follows the ball, you have to be there physically watching the game to see how teams are setting up elsewhere on the pitch at any given time.
The Board need to address the amount of money being spent on non football staff, and ask are they getting value for money? I think not.
The Commercial side of the Club needs to be meeting its targets also, has this been accomplished this season? The Commercial side should be bringing in revenue to fund the squad going forward
You cannot just sit back and rely on the possible revenue from selling a Player.
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Post by iandychesterfc on Apr 10, 2017 12:30:48 GMT
Any suggestions where the extra money comes from then? Forget other clubs 'average attendances'. Bromley's budget is apparently over £500k and they're not alone. Nearly all the Southern clubs have a rich owner funding them. But like SV did with us for a while. How do you think we got Daryl Clare etc in? The Chief Excellent was brought in to bring in the extra funds to help us compete. That's a speculate to accumulate thing. If he doesn't bring any in, presumably he'll be gone. He hasn't had a close season yet to do his stuff. That's watch and judge then. It's a real frustration for us as a set of supporters. I don't know the answers any more than the next fan. We can all shout and scream and rant, but any advance will be a slow journey. We need to support the club in what they do. Why would the floating fan come down if all they hear is most of the supoorters moaning and saying we're shit? Lots of people read devachat and listen to us in the pub and form their opinion based on second hand rants.Agreed that then if they do come down they see a side that has 2 shots all game, and they don't come back. It's a vicious circle and unfortunately maybe we're not helping the situation either. How does the CE bring in new sponsors and fans if all they hear is negative? Would you invest in that? Remember SV shafted most of the local business sponsors at least once. Decent point this. My only concern is how stale the club has become off the field. It's the same old sponsors and the same old ideas to increase revenue. Added to this there was no xmas raffle and the only promotion the club have run all season came from a Deva-Chat rant about utilising social media. |
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Post by Hannibal on Apr 10, 2017 12:56:17 GMT
The board need to take responsibility for extending McCarthy's contract based on what was almost certainly the Sharps-effect. I think the board must have looked at the Cowley inspired upsurge that was transforming Lincoln City from being a team we did the double over 2 seasons ago to champions elect and sadly thought that Macca was in the same category, which judging by his signings, team selection, tactics and strange comments he clearly isn't. I also agree that the CEO should at least be bringing in his salary in additional income otherwise he is taking money that could boost the playing budget. I don't really see that that is happening at this time. How long is his contract?
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Post by iandychesterfc on Apr 10, 2017 13:01:41 GMT
The board need to take responsibility for extending McCarthy's contract based on what was almost certainly the Sharps-effect. I think the board must have looked at the Cowley inspired upsurge that was transforming Lincoln City from being a team we did the double over 2 seasons ago to champions elect and sadly thought that Macca was in the same category, which judging by his signings, team selection, tactics and strange comments he clearly isn't. I also agree that the CEO should at least be bringing in his salary in additional income otherwise he is taking money that could boost the playing budget. I don't really see that that is happening at this time. How long is his contract?   Amazing. I heard the white stripes in the kit are not as bright since Sharps left and the bovril just hasn't been as beefy either. |
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Post by Johnnybling on Apr 10, 2017 14:25:19 GMT
Their are many comments about the budget, and other team's budgets; people are only guessing these figures, Football Clubs are a business and the budget information is kept confidential by each Club; do you honestly think someone would declare their finances to the public the answer is no. Remember also it is not always budgets than win trophies it is good Management skills and getting the best from the playing resources you have ie Leicester winning the Premiership. As mentioned on another thread the Scouting side of the Club needs to be looked at, Managers cannot learn how teams play from a DVD, as the camera only follows the ball, you have to be there physically watching the game to see how teams are setting up elsewhere on the pitch at any given time. The Board need to address the amount of money being spent on non football staff, and ask are they getting value for money? I think not. The Commercial side of the Club needs to be meeting its targets also, has this been accomplished this season? The Commercial side should be bringing in revenue to fund the squad going forward You cannot just sit back and rely on the possible revenue from selling a Player. [ actually as a fans owned club I think we have a right to know the budget. |
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Post by tarvinblue on Apr 10, 2017 15:32:56 GMT
Even the so called war chest is pittance in comparison with what some clubs at this level are throwing around and it would be suicidal to hand what's in it to JM. Any Sam Highest money will pay off this year's debts and be added to the coffers. We are also going to need it to cover future debts from dwindling crowds. Look at what Braintree achieved last year on scraps. It can be done at this level with the right person in charge. We are only not in the bottom 4 because of the Sharps-inspired run. Break the season down and that pattern is absolutely relevant. JM is living off the back of it and will until next season when it no longer applies and we are in the mire. Maybe this squad is good enough as they were responsible for that run, which only highlights further where the problem actually lies. Wrexham are reducing their budget by loaning out or letting players before the season ends. It seems that our decision not to bolster the squad in January maybe in order to help the budget next season especially as safety has almost been guaranteed. Red passion is moaning about giving Keats a long term contract etc and we have the same moaners on here wanting to stick the boot in to JM. The thinking that if we get relegated the club will fold blah, blah, blah is erroneous. It will not be the end of the club, attendances will pick up because we will be a bigger player in a slightly smaller pool. Chester fans turn up when we are winning and gradually crawl back into the woodwork when we struggle. The average attendances have not really changed for the last 30 years when linked to our results. The model we have now is sustainable in the lower leagues as we will have to tailor our budget accordingly (this is the way is should be IMO). Yes its a crap run but stick with it, it's what supporting the blues (or any non league team) is all about. I've supported the club since 1992 so I've a pretty good idea what it's like to be a fan. I don't disagree with you on the attendances, the Chester public are very fickle. However, 1,600 is our average home following if you take away visiting supporters. That's a good 400 or so down on the last couple of years in the conference and it comes down to apathy among even those who have previously attended regularly. We have a limited budget and always will have, that's why we need to maximise it. Do you generally believe that JM and this squad of players will achieve anything other than relegation next year? This is what is so frustrating and what will lead to home crowds dropping further. All I want to see is progress. If year on year we are improving, on and off the field, then we have to be happy. Some would say that has been achieved this year and is factually correct. However it was achieved under a different management structure - the current one having proved inadequate since its inception in December. Look at the record December-April and think to yourself. Next year we will have the same management structure and same players, shorn of our main assets. JM has proved so far incapable of recruiting effectively and won't have much to throw around anyway. Then go back to sustainability. Maybe we would be better off as a competitive Conference North team? Is that where our aspirations need to be? |
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Post by boughtonblue on Apr 10, 2017 16:18:18 GMT
(sp Wrexham are reducing their budget by loaning out or letting players before the season ends. It seems that our decision not to bolster the squad in January maybe in order to help the budget next season especially as safety has almost been guaranteed. Red passion is moaning about giving Keats a long term contract etc and we have the same moaners on here wanting to stick the boot in to JM. The thinking that if we get relegated the club will fold blah, blah, blah is erroneous. It will not be the end of the club, attendances will pick up because we will be a bigger player in a slightly smaller pool. Chester fans turn up when we are winning and gradually crawl back into the woodwork when we struggle. The average attendances have not really changed for the last 30 years when linked to our results. The model we have now is sustainable in the lower leagues as we will have to tailor our budget accordingly (this is the way is should be IMO). Yes its a crap run but stick with it, it's what supporting the blues (or any non league team) is all about. I've supported the club since 1992 so I've a pretty good idea what it's like to be a fan. I don't disagree with you on the attendances, the Chester public are very fickle. However, 1,600 is our average home following if you take away visiting supporters. That's a good 400 or so down on the last couple of years in the conference and it comes down to apathy among even those who have previously attended regularly. We have a limited budget and always will have, that's why we need to maximise it. Do you generally believe that JM and this squad of players will achieve anything other than relegation next year? This is what is so frustrating and what will lead to home crowds dropping further. All I want to see is progress. If year on year we are improving, on and off the field, then we have to be happy. Some would say that has been achieved this year and is factually correct. However it was achieved under a different management structure - the current one having proved inadequate since its inception in December. Look at the record December-April and think to yourself. Next year we will have the same management structure and same players, shorn of our main assets. JM has proved so far incapable of recruiting effectively and won't have much to throw around anyway. Then go back to sustainability. Maybe we would be better off as a competitive Conference North team? Is that where our aspirations need to be? I believe that whatever JM says in public there will be a change of personnel this closed season (some of them enforced). We have suffered from long term injuries, we are a different team with Mahon and Chappell as an outlet. Plus, the loss of Akintunde has been a loss as we have been restricted to two forwards, Alibi has improved, Richards gone backwards. The crowds have been lower by 400 all season even when we were overachieving so to blame it on JM is too simplistic. I believe a section of our support had made their minds up about this season even before it began. It's a shame that our form dropped at Xmas because if we had been in touching distance of the play offs in the new year they would have started to come back. So we get rid of JM appoint a new manager (who?) and take a risk on him and a new group of players we know nothing about? JM has to be honest with himself and learn from the mistakes of this season and improve. |
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Post by Hannibal on Apr 10, 2017 16:35:19 GMT
I believe our budget is £350k, which may well be the second lowest.
Even NFU have some finance from the Hull City owners' family.
I'd be interested to know which team is lower than us ....... I'd guess Woking. Their budget was reduced to around £250k this season according to a Woking fan on OneFootballForum.
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Post by tarvinblue on Apr 10, 2017 17:18:58 GMT
(sp I've supported the club since 1992 so I've a pretty good idea what it's like to be a fan. I don't disagree with you on the attendances, the Chester public are very fickle. However, 1,600 is our average home following if you take away visiting supporters. That's a good 400 or so down on the last couple of years in the conference and it comes down to apathy among even those who have previously attended regularly. We have a limited budget and always will have, that's why we need to maximise it. Do you generally believe that JM and this squad of players will achieve anything other than relegation next year? This is what is so frustrating and what will lead to home crowds dropping further. All I want to see is progress. If year on year we are improving, on and off the field, then we have to be happy. Some would say that has been achieved this year and is factually correct. However it was achieved under a different management structure - the current one having proved inadequate since its inception in December. Look at the record December-April and think to yourself. Next year we will have the same management structure and same players, shorn of our main assets. JM has proved so far incapable of recruiting effectively and won't have much to throw around anyway. Then go back to sustainability. Maybe we would be better off as a competitive Conference North team? Is that where our aspirations need to be? I believe that whatever JM says in public there will be a change of personnel this closed season (some of them enforced). We have suffered from long term injuries, we are a different team with Mahon and Chappell as an outlet. Plus, the loss of Akintunde has been a loss as we have been restricted to two forwards, Alibi has improved, Richards gone backwards. The crowds have been lower by 400 all season even when we were overachieving so to blame it on JM is too simplistic. I believe a section of our support had made their minds up about this season even before it began. It's a shame that our form dropped at Xmas because if we had been in touching distance of the play offs in the new year they would have started to come back. So we get rid of JM appoint a new manager (who?) and take a risk on him and a new group of players we know nothing about? JM has to be honest with himself and learn from the mistakes of this season and improve. Marcus Bignot. Just sacked by Grimsby having achieved outstanding success at Solihull with a tiny budget. Talks well and gets the most out of players of limited ability. Also has an eye for a player that can then be sold on for significant profit. Compare that to JM and the contrast is stark. He has shown no ability to improve, in fact his record and the situation itself is a mirror of the SB situation, just over a shorter length of time. |
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Post by Almost Blue on Apr 11, 2017 11:23:28 GMT
Most of us said when McCarthy was given the manager's job he was only appointed because he was the cheap option. The board should be ashamed of themselves,
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Post by steveo1 on Apr 14, 2017 21:01:20 GMT
(spI believe that whatever JM says in public there will be a change of personnel this closed season (some of them enforced). We have suffered from long term injuries, we are a different team with Mahon and Chappell as an outlet. Plus, the loss of Akintunde has been a loss as we have been restricted to two forwards, Alibi has improved, Richards gone backwards. The crowds have been lower by 400 all season even when we were overachieving so to blame it on JM is too simplistic. I believe a section of our support had made their minds up about this season even before it began. It's a shame that our form dropped at Xmas because if we had been in touching distance of the play offs in the new year they would have started to come back. So we get rid of JM appoint a new manager (who?) and take a risk on him and a new group of players we know nothing about? JM has to be honest with himself and learn from the mistakes of this season and improve. Marcus Bignot. Just sacked by Grimsby having achieved outstanding success at Solihull with a tiny budget. Talks well and gets the most out of players of limited ability. Also has an eye for a player that can then be sold on for significant profit. Compare that to JM and the contrast is stark. He has shown no ability to improve, in fact his record and the situation itself is a mirror of the SB situation, just over a shorter length of time. He also had the balls to come over to the Grimsby fans at Crewe and apologise after they got a beating, takes something that doing. What do we get from McCarthy? Waffle of positives and a guy that looks awkward taking any criticism. |
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Post by paulie on Apr 15, 2017 7:49:12 GMT
Marcus Bignot. Just sacked by Grimsby having achieved outstanding success at Solihull with a tiny budget. Talks well and gets the most out of players of limited ability. Also has an eye for a player that can then be sold on for significant profit. Compare that to JM and the contrast is stark. He has shown no ability to improve, in fact his record and the situation itself is a mirror of the SB situation, just over a shorter length of time. He also had the balls to come over to the Grimsby fans at Crewe and apologise after they got a beating, takes something that doing. What do we get from McCarthy? Waffle of positives and a guy that looks awkward taking any criticism. Then criticises fans for being negative. How he is still in a Job baffles me. I cannot remember the last time I disliked a Chester manager as much as I do now. |
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Post by Al on Apr 15, 2017 14:31:15 GMT
Sorry just read the above. Having a go at the board for not giving JM more cash to spend when we're projected to lose 20k anyway? How much would you want to blow in addition to 20k then? 100k loss? How do you expect us to make up that kind of shortfall?
Instead of having a pop at the board why not offer your help? They still need people to co-opt onto the board. I had applied myself but I can not commit due to an emergency at home that has popped up, I have asked for my co-option to be postponed until I can commit again but might be a few months down the line. If you can commit the time and have the knowledge and drive to make a difference to the way the club operates then email your interest to Marion Needham at the club.
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Post by Fed up on Apr 15, 2017 14:42:18 GMT
Sorry just read the above. Having a go at the board for not giving JM more cash to spend when we're projected to lose 20k anyway? How much would you want to blow in addition to 20k then? 100k loss? How do you expect us to make up that kind of shortfall? Instead of having a pop at the board why not offer your help? They still need people to co-opt onto the board. I had applied myself but I can not commit due to an emergency at home that has popped up, I have asked for my co-option to be postponed until I can commit again but might be a few months down the line. If you can commit the time and have the knowledge and drive to make a difference to the way the club operates then email your interest to Marion Needham at the club. Instead of criticising the fans who are justifiably upset, you should be having a go at the inadequate members of the board who appointed the people who got us into this mess. They've given out contracts that are too long to people who cannot cope with the jobs they've been given and then complain about the supporters who dare to tell the truth! |
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Post by Al on Apr 15, 2017 14:51:25 GMT
Sorry just read the above. Having a go at the board for not giving JM more cash to spend when we're projected to lose 20k anyway? How much would you want to blow in addition to 20k then? 100k loss? How do you expect us to make up that kind of shortfall? Instead of having a pop at the board why not offer your help? They still need people to co-opt onto the board. I had applied myself but I can not commit due to an emergency at home that has popped up, I have asked for my co-option to be postponed until I can commit again but might be a few months down the line. If you can commit the time and have the knowledge and drive to make a difference to the way the club operates then email your interest to Marion Needham at the club. Instead of criticising the fans who are justifiably upset, you should be having a go at the inadequate members of the board who appointed the people who got us into this mess. They've given out contracts that are too long to people who cannot cope with the jobs they've been given and then complain about the supporters who dare to tell the truth! If the members on the board are inadequate then why not put your name down to help change the way it's run? |
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