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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2020 14:25:16 GMT
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Post by rcb on May 16, 2020 15:55:02 GMT
I don’t believe, given the immediate uncertainty due to Covid19, that a five year plan is of any value, so am not in a position to make any contribution. Good luck to those who feel differently.
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Post by jimgreen on May 16, 2020 16:07:10 GMT
While there is clearly much uncertainty about the future, personally I still feel having a longer term plan to progress the club is important, although it will need to factor in the current constraints, and be flexible to respond to future challenges. I hope every fan will take 10 minutes to read this, tell us what your targets/ambitions are and share any thoughts or ideas you have. For good reason, it is open to ALL supporters and not just CFU members. www.chesterfc.com/2020/05/16/cfu-statement-the-five-year-vision/
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Post by agl on May 16, 2020 16:32:17 GMT
It's obvious that we will need some short/ medium term fund raising but there's also a clear need for long term strategy and measurable targets.
You'd think everyone would recognise that and welcome the opportunity to contribute. Also that it's open to all, not just CFU members. Shame after all that's gone on in the past week that the first post dismisses the document in a paragraph.
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Post by Lobster on May 16, 2020 16:34:02 GMT
I don’t believe, given the immediate uncertainty due to Covid19, that a five year plan is of any value, so am not in a position to make any contribution. Good luck to those who feel differently. Take the survey and tell them that then. It invites your feedback. More value in doing that than just harrumphing about it on here.
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Post by geoff on May 16, 2020 16:34:53 GMT
I don’t believe, given the immediate uncertainty due to Covid19, that a five year plan is of any value, so am not in a position to make any contribution. Good luck to those who feel differently. I know it is not the best time but the Club was bumped into this by the hostile takeover bid. I am sure you could make a contribution rcb, obviously a lot of work has gone into preparing this strategic plan and you could at least comment on whether you agree with the proposals. If Covid persists it could yet become the 2021-2026 -lan.
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Post by exiled on May 16, 2020 17:03:17 GMT
Just read it . Outlines what a fan owned community club is all about. Also gives you an opportunity to suggest ways you think some areas could be improved upon, and asks for feedback. Football might not return to us for a while, But it does no harm having a battle plan in place ready for when it does.
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Post by Al on May 16, 2020 17:15:20 GMT
Was expecting something a little more in granular detail really. It's all at a very high level, was expecting some specifics.
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Post by Al on May 16, 2020 17:23:11 GMT
A club strategy which was detailed and had specifics including targets was on the desks of existing board members 2 years ago. I'd strongly suggest revisiting it and using it as the clubs blueprint moving forward
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Post by jimgreen on May 16, 2020 17:38:41 GMT
As you know I was involved in that process and there are some areas in which the two documents are very similar and others where there are differences.
I think any targets and objectives will be more relevant if they are driven by the membership as a whole rather than the board and/or working groups. That is why this is more a high level summary and seeks to understand what the ambitions of the members and supporters are - that can then guide the next stage which will be about adding more of that detail.
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Post by geoff on May 16, 2020 17:44:28 GMT
A strategic plan tends to be at a very high level and is often aspirational. Once the strategic plan is agreed their needs to be a focused implementation plan with specific targets and date lines and an indication of who is responsible for each action point. As AI above says this may already have been partly done.
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Post by gezzer on May 16, 2020 17:47:50 GMT
Read and completed survey. Nothing wrong with trying to be proactive for a change.
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Post by waggoner on May 16, 2020 17:58:20 GMT
Just read it . Outlines what a fan owned community club is all about. Also gives you an opportunity to suggest ways you think some areas could be improved upon, and asks for feedback. Football might not return to us for a while, But it does no harm having a battle plan in place ready for when it does.Exactly
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Post by rcb on May 16, 2020 18:56:12 GMT
I don’t believe, given the immediate uncertainty due to Covid19, that a five year plan is of any value, so am not in a position to make any contribution. Good luck to those who feel differently. Take the survey and tell them that then. It invites your feedback. More value in doing that than just harrumphing about it on here. Took the survey before I responded on here. Didn’t find it of any value, apart from which I don’t agree with the mission statement.
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Post by geoff on May 16, 2020 19:34:44 GMT
rcb......it would be interesting if you told us what you think is wrong with the mission statement
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Post by Lobster on May 16, 2020 19:36:02 GMT
Take the survey and tell them that then. It invites your feedback. More value in doing that than just harrumphing about it on here. Took the survey before I responded on here. Didn’t find it of any value, apart from which I don’t agree with the mission statement. Fair enough. I kind of see what you're getting at, but it was a terribly haughty first response to the post that just sets the tone for a quarrelsome thread rather than a constructive one. I'm not big on five year plans myself. I'm more of the opinion that you should focus on the season ahead and then try to improve on it the season after, and as we've seen, something like this virus can wreck even the best laid plans. But if the club gives you an opportunity to have a say on something, you should take it, even if just to tell them you think it's a waste of time.
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Post by rcb on May 16, 2020 20:05:08 GMT
rcb......it would be interesting if you told us what you think is wrong with the mission statement I’m on record as saying that fan ownership during the first four years was great, and it then exhausted it’s usefulness. I’m happy to see a two year plan with a mission of proactively seeking suitable external ownership with sufficient backing to aim for the EFL. Thank goodness we have dodged a bullet in the recent attempted stealth takeover, but once again the fan ownership model was so gullibly accepting of a perceived gift horse in SM.
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Post by rcb on May 16, 2020 20:27:04 GMT
Took the survey before I responded on here. Didn’t find it of any value, apart from which I don’t agree with the mission statement. Fair enough. I kind of see what you're getting at, but it was a terribly haughty first response to the post that just sets the tone for a quarrelsome thread rather than a constructive one. I'm not big on five year plans myself. I'm more of the opinion that you should focus on the season ahead and then try to improve on it the season after, and as we've seen, something like this virus can wreck even the best laid plans. But if the club gives you an opportunity to have a say on something, you should take it, even if just to tell them you think it's a waste of time. Thanks Lobster. I thought I politely wished good luck to those who think differently to myself. Shame that this forum still has idiots who would deny alternative opinions.
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Post by geoff on May 16, 2020 20:54:01 GMT
Yes, I tend to agree with both Lobster and rcb and I thought we were going to get a three year plan. I have responded like the two of you. I’m not wedded to fan ownership and I expect at some future date we may need to re-visit whether we proactively seek external funding. The most pressing dangers as we look to the future are, of course, Financial stability and attracting the right people to be Board members. I admire anyone who is prepared to serve on the board as it must be a thankless job!
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Post by bluetartan on May 16, 2020 22:14:19 GMT
For what’s its worth in this instance I agree that we should not be wedded to the current model, people are allowed to have different opinions and be able to express them. I genuinely think that a lot of great people have put a lot of effort into this plan, nothing would make me happier to see it succeed, however I fear that without a change to the fan owned model we will be back here next season and the season after and the season after................
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Post by superman on May 17, 2020 7:55:32 GMT
Whilst actively supporting the current model, I also agree that we need to be honest with ourselves. The time may come when an alternative funding model is needed. This survey gives the board the opportunity to get feedback from across the fan base. It is only a draft plan. If the response level is poor, or largely contrary in content then we must trust the board to do the right thing and change strategy. This is probably the last chance to get a significant uplift in support for the fan ownership model. It will hopefully be a good indicator of the way forward.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on May 17, 2020 9:31:44 GMT
Really pleasantly surprised by this document. All fans need to full engage with it. It sets out a workable and realistic plan for fans ownership.
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Post by agl on May 19, 2020 11:35:57 GMT
On the whole this is a good document and quite ambitious. Yes, in parts it's a bit vague and woolly but that's the nature of a framework document. Good to see that there are some clear commitments, such as improving the Blues bar and growing commercial revenue (even if there is no detail at this stage). Also that we still have the aim of a return to the football league, although the term 'eventual' is actually pretty meaningless. There is a split among fans as to whether our priority is to play at a higher level, or be a community club...I'm not sure that's addressed in the document and we may still end up pulling in different directions. Can you have both? I'm not sure, as inevitably funds will be diverted away from wages to other projects. My view has always been that unless we have a successful first team the rest will collapse like a pack of cards anyway. I hope everyone will read it and respond, if only out of recognition for the work that's been put in. Obviously written largely pre-Covid, so who knows what we will return to? But we have a great opportunity to be among the stronger teams not only in our league but the league above. Realistically, we need to be brutally honest and accept that we may not see any football next season. Hopefully we will look back and see that failed takeover as a positive that gave us a much-needed kick up the backside. It told me that there's plenty of enthusiasm out there for private ownership, so anyone who wants the fan owned model has to realise that the buck stops with the fans. Apart from anything else, I doubt there are many private investors out there who would want to get involved unless there is an ulterior motive. So, we can't just sit on our arses and wait for a white knight, even if that's what some might want.
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Post by Malcolm Tucker on May 19, 2020 11:42:10 GMT
Very encouraging that there’s been over 1000 responses to this.
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Post by agl on May 19, 2020 11:44:42 GMT
And yet only 20-odd replies on here, compared with over 50 for people on Deva Chat being required to use their real names. Maybe too many words in the document for some Deva Chatters, I fear.
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Post by Lobster on May 19, 2020 13:21:42 GMT
And yet only 20-odd replies on here, compared with over 50 for people on Deva Chat being required to use their real names. Maybe too many words in the document for some Deva Chatters, I fear. It is an odd phenomenon of Deva Chat that the number of replies a thread gets seems to be inversely proportional to its pertinence and quality.
Then again, there's no real need to comment on filling in a form, is there? The important thing is that plenty of fans have done it, and there's still nearly a fortnight for more to do so.
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Post by Si on May 19, 2020 13:59:00 GMT
Surprised nobody has mentioned the 3G pitch idea. For me it contradicts the aim of returning to the football league, as currently 3G pitches aren't accepted. I accept the current pitch has expense and maintenance attached to it, but it's long been one the best playing surfaces in the lower leagues and it's one of the main plus points of our stadium. I've seen plenty of games of 3G surfaces and the game just doesn't seem right to me - I'm a firm believer that football should be played on real grass. I get the boards thinking, in that a 3G pitches also becomes a community asset and generates funds, but I thought that's what the King George development was all about? The stadium should always be real grass, whatever the cost.
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Post by Lobster on May 19, 2020 14:06:48 GMT
Surprised nobody has mentioned the 3G pitch idea. For me it contradicts the aim of returning to the football league, as currently 3G pitches aren't accepted. I accept the current pitch has expense and maintenance attached to it, but it's long been one the best playing surfaces in the lower leagues and it's one of the main plus points of our stadium. I've seen plenty of games of 3G surfaces and the game just doesn't seem right to me - I'm a firm believer that football should be played on real grass. I get the boards thinking, in that a 3G pitches also becomes a community asset and generates funds, but I thought that's what the King George development was all about? The stadium should always be real grass, whatever the cost. Agree. It also seems to contradict the point directly above it about having a more environmentally friendly stadium.
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Post by Gandalf on May 19, 2020 14:28:12 GMT
I've opposed the 3G pitch in the survey. I think at the moment it would be good to get an understanding of the Stuart Murphy money. Do we still have an amount left, according to Stuart the majority has already been spent. He also offered an additional amount as a donation to the KGV project, is this still the case?
For me the KGV should be one of our main focuses now and things have gone quiet there (imagine due to the virus) let's get our actual infrastructure sorted to set us up for future success and let the managers sort out things on the pitch.
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Post by Bristol Blue on May 19, 2020 14:48:12 GMT
Surprised nobody has mentioned the 3G pitch idea. For me it contradicts the aim of returning to the football league, as currently 3G pitches aren't accepted. I accept the current pitch has expense and maintenance attached to it, but it's long been one the best playing surfaces in the lower leagues and it's one of the main plus points of our stadium. I've seen plenty of games of 3G surfaces and the game just doesn't seem right to me - I'm a firm believer that football should be played on real grass. I get the boards thinking, in that a 3G pitches also becomes a community asset and generates funds, but I thought that's what the King George development was all about? The stadium should always be real grass, whatever the cost. Seeing the photos of the pitch posted by the club today , I can only assume we aren't planning for any behind closed doors playoff matches.
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