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Post by henry on Jul 24, 2020 9:28:23 GMT
There has been no indication about how reduced capacity would work and this could raise a few issues which need to be resolved.
Can we assume that each area of the ground will have its own allocation? in which case the sale of season tickets will need to be controlled, or perhaps the sale of season tickets should be halted until the the authorities and the SAG have clearer view.
If the numbers allowed into the ground equals the season tickets sold, this could mean that non season ticket holders would not be able to attend? Not everybody has the spare cash during these difficult times to purchase a season tickets
I don't know how this can be resolved, but this would be terrible PR after the great efforts by the supporters in raising money to fund the Club
Any thoughts?
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jul 24, 2020 9:32:26 GMT
As you say until the authorities and SAG advise who knows, the problem as I see it with halting the sale of season tickets starves the club of much needed cash which is vital at the start of the season, that said however until we know how many can be admitted then I doubt season tickets can go on sale anyway
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Post by glosblue on Jul 24, 2020 9:38:53 GMT
A friend of mine is a Shrewsbury fan, and he has just bought his season ticket.
In their circumstance, they have more season ticket holders than equates to 30% of their capacity, which is the figure being bandied about currently as to the proportion of the ground capacity that might be re-opend initially. So - if games do start allowing fans back in - not all their season ticket holders would be allowed in, to start with at least. He has bought his season ticket early, on the basis that there may be some reward for those who commit early ie if you buy as an 'early bird' you get allowed in.
In our circumstance, we usually have about 1,000 season ticket holders and a ground capacity of something like 5,000 or so. So in theory, if you buy a season ticket, you get in. Provided we offer a direct debit option, rather than just a single lump sum payment, hopefully that should be fine.
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Post by devadiva on Jul 24, 2020 14:41:42 GMT
Now we know when the Prem League and EFL seasons will start hopefully that will help the National League pull it’s finger out and make a decision.
As has been said we need to be able to sell season tickets ASAP if we stand a chance of building the squad we need to win the league this season. You would hope that even with social distancing we’d have plenty of capacity to accommodate season ticket holders and plenty of folk paying at the gate.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jul 24, 2020 15:00:35 GMT
30% of our capacity is around 1,500 - doubt we’ll be hosting away fans for a while, we normally shift either side of 1,000 STs.
It’s a reasonable estimation to limit capacity to 400-500 pay on the gate extra home fans. Would we have to make every game all ticket though?
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Post by weareblues on Jul 24, 2020 15:09:22 GMT
Seems abit pointless not to allow away fans in what about fans who don't live in chester ? Still gonna be travelling regardless
Open 50% Capacity may aswell
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jul 24, 2020 15:24:37 GMT
Seems abit pointless not to allow away fans in what about fans who don't live in chester ? Still gonna be travelling regardless
Open 50% Capacity may aswell
I didn’t suggest it would be our rule, more from higher powers. 30% capacity is being mooted.
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Post by avfo on Jul 24, 2020 15:42:24 GMT
30% of our capacity is around 1,500 - doubt we’ll be hosting away fans for a while, we normally shift either side of 1,000 STs. It’s a reasonable estimation to limit capacity to 400-500 pay on the gate extra home fans. Would we have to make every game all ticket though? Currently the FA favour a start to the new season in early September for the National League. However, the government have indicated that currently their aim is for the return of limited attendance at football matches in October at the earliest, given that the NL have already said that the season cant start without fans in attendance, it would appear a September start would appear at best optimistic. Obviously that date may be subject to any changes in the spread (or lack of) the virus. In answer to your question, this is a copy of the draft proposals for the return of spectators at matches, issued I understand, to PL/EFL clubs - but, if as expected adopted, would apply to non league clubs as well. It states that - A. Admittance to events held under social distancing should be by ticket only.
b. Tickets should only be sold in advance of the event day'It is in draft format to enable operators to consider the contents and provide any comments, before it is finalised next month. The guidance will be tested at special events. These are planned to cover cricket, horse racing and snooker. These events will be evaluated with the assistance of Movement Strategies, an expert consultancy on people movement and crowd dynamics. Martyn Henderson, Chief Executive of the SGSA, said: “This is an important step on the road to spectators being allowed into sports grounds. This document provides sports grounds with the knowledge and guidance they need to plan for the return of fans with confidence. “Our purpose is, and always will be, ensuring fans can watch live sport safely. T he return to full stadia will not happen overnight. However, our new guidance provides sports grounds with the tools to enable some spectators to return safely.”
The guidance should only be used in line with Government announcements. It does not allow for the immediate return of spectators. Instead it provides sports grounds with the opportunity to plan effectively for their return when this is allowed.' Good luck to anyone ploughing through this - sgsa.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/SG02-Planning-for-social-distancing-at-sports-grounds.pdf
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Post by Harry Lime on Jul 24, 2020 15:52:28 GMT
Seems abit pointless not to allow away fans in what about fans who don't live in chester ? Still gonna be travelling regardless
Open 50% Capacity may aswell
Problem is, that we will need the away sections to accommodate our own supporters. If we have, say, a 1500 capacity and 1000 season ticket holders. Majority of those season ticket holders sit in the middle sections of the main stand. Obviously we won't be able to meet distancing rules, if they all sit in their own seat. We will need to be spread out to do this. Opening a stand for a few away fans, would limit the number of home fans allowed in.
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Post by weareblues on Jul 24, 2020 16:13:57 GMT
I didn’t suggest it would be our rule, more from higher powers. 30% capacity is being mooted. That’s more than our average home gate It really isn't
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Post by Lobster on Jul 24, 2020 16:26:38 GMT
Capacity quoted at 6500, 30% of which is 1950, which is 112 more than the average home gate of 1838. The capacity hasn't been 6,000+ for a long time. The seating in the South Stand knocked it down to 5,400. You can work out what 30% of that is, and probably tell me I've put a comma in the wrong place or something at the same time.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jul 24, 2020 16:28:47 GMT
Capacity quoted at 6500, 30% of which is 1950, which is 112 more than the average home gate of 1838. SIX AND A HALF THOUSAND?! Don’t think it’s ever been that much. It’s more like 5,000 now.
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Post by dmcnally on Jul 24, 2020 16:30:53 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jul 24, 2020 16:32:02 GMT
Deva Stadium Deva Stadium.jpg Wikimedia | © OpenStreetMap Full name Deva Stadium Location Bumpers Lane Chester CH1 4LT Coordinates 53.1892°N 2.9238°WCoordinates: 53.1892°N 2.9238°W Owner Cheshire West and Chester Council Capacity 6,500 (5,500 Seated) Record attendance 5,987 Field size 112 x 71.5 metres Surface Grass Construction Full name Deva Stadium Location Bumpers Lane Chester CH1 4LT Coordinates 53.1892°N 2.9238°WCoordinates: 53.1892°N 2.9238°W Owner Cheshire West and Chester Council Wikipaedia Capacity 6,500 (5,500 Seated) Record attendance 5,987 Field size 112 x 71.5 metres Surface Grass Construction Broke ground 26 January 1992 Built 1992 Opened 24 August 1992 www.chester-city.co.uk/attendances_1819.asp Capacity has never been that high, so I would question your source. The attendances you’ve provided are two seasons old.
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Post by weareblues on Jul 24, 2020 16:40:16 GMT
I got attendance figures from the official website for last seasons attendances((based on a full season, unlike this one), and the physical capacity refers to the construction capacity, not one limited by safety certificates. The ground held the figure you have gave it was still terracing in the south Poor research fella
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Post by Lobster on Jul 24, 2020 16:43:59 GMT
I got attendance figures from the official website for last seasons attendances((based on a full season, unlike this one), and the physical capacity refers to the construction capacity, not one limited by safety certificates. Well, it's useful to learn that our average attendance from over a year ago is less than 30% of the stadium's 1992 capacity that no longer applies.
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Post by dmcnally on Jul 24, 2020 16:44:16 GMT
I got attendance figures from the official website for last seasons attendances((based on a full season, unlike this one), and the physical capacity refers to the construction capacity, not one limited by safety certificates. Why on earth would you take attendance figures from a season that finished 15 months ago? There again, you’re also taking capacity figures from almost three decades ago!
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Post by weareblues on Jul 24, 2020 16:45:31 GMT
Capacity has never been that high, so I would question your source.The attendances you’ve provided are two seasons old. You really wouldn’t, would you. My source is Wikipaedia and these figures have been there for several years, during which time you have not questioned them. Further, the attendance figure are one season old and are the latest available figures in respect of a whole season. Wikipedia 😂😂😂😂😂 I’m done you’ve gotta be a piss take account I’m not having it
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Post by dmcnally on Jul 24, 2020 16:47:20 GMT
Capacity has never been that high, so I would question your source.The attendances you’ve provided are two seasons old. You really wouldn’t, would you. My source is Wikipaedia and these figures have been there for several years, during which time you have not questioned them. Further, the attendance figure are one season old and are the latest available figures in respect of a whole season. Very disappointed to see you regarding Wikipedia as a reliable source of information rcb. I thought better of you.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jul 24, 2020 16:53:58 GMT
Capacity has never been that high, so I would question your source.The attendances you’ve provided are two seasons old. You really wouldn’t, would you. My source is Wikipaedia and these figures have been there for several years, during which time you have not questioned them. Further, the attendance figure are one season old and are the latest available figures in respect of a whole season. Ah yes, Wikipedia. The bible of enclyopedic information such as: Charlie Sheen (born September 3, 1965) is half man, half cocaine. Mariah Carey (Died December 31, 2016, New York); Cause of death: Embarrasment Kay Burley (born 17 December, 1960) is an English television newsreader, presenter and journalist. She also works part time as Death, being the first to announce the demise of then-missing child April Jones, her primary source being her own testimony. All genuine Wikipedia edits by the way.
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Post by dmcnally on Jul 24, 2020 16:59:15 GMT
Why on earth would you take attendance figures from a season that finished 15 months ago? There again, you’re also taking capacity figures from almost three decades ago! Simply because it is the latest available in respect of a whole season, or have you overlooked that the season just ended was incomplete? Why does it matter that it wasn’t completed? It’s an average, not cumulative. We had a large enough sample size to go on. If anything, I’d argue with the likes of Boston and Gateshead still to visit, the average would have increased.
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Post by devadiva on Jul 24, 2020 17:06:08 GMT
If you vacated every other row but allowed those season ticket holders who come from the same house to sit together as normal I bet there’d be plenty of space for people paying on the day and away supporters as well and still maintain social distancing.
Appreciate the authorities may come up with something more arbitrary than that but I’d like away fans there as well if possible - we’ll need all the atmosphere we can get if we are all spaced out around the ground.
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Post by henry on Jul 24, 2020 17:56:47 GMT
I am glad that the topic has got people thinking, whilst there is plenty of time to consider various options. Hopefully we will be "shovel ready"😉 when the powers that be decide that we can start the new season
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Post by rcb on Jul 24, 2020 20:33:12 GMT
In trying to make the simple point that in allowing 30% capacity into the stadium, I had hoped to illustrate the point it effectively would permit our average home attendance to continue to attend, thereby giving us almost full income when compared with past seasons. Unfortunately, on this site, it appears that simple points seem to engage simple people who seem to think they have an importance and a need to challenge innocuous comments. I suppose that is one of the tragedies of following this club.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jul 24, 2020 20:50:00 GMT
As I said earlier though, 30% of our capacity is around the 1,500 mark.
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Post by jb on Jul 25, 2020 10:10:33 GMT
With the proposals this week about getting fans back into the grounds albeit at a reduced capacity there should be an announcement about season tickets. It will help to get some much needed income in and give the club an idea about budgets.
Maybe also a “fan card” type scheme to help manage any available tickets too.
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Post by Churton Blue on Jul 25, 2020 10:50:13 GMT
With the proposals this week about getting fans back into the grounds albeit at a reduced capacity there should be an announcement about season tickets. It will help to get some much needed income in and give the club an idea about budgets. Maybe also a “fan card” type scheme to help manage any available tickets too. So far there are just proposals and nothing has been approved or confirmed. Anything less than a capacity of 1750 will give the club financial problems. The lower the figure the more serious those problems will be.
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Post by superman on Jul 25, 2020 11:20:27 GMT
As we are well past the usual early bird offer time, perhaps for these uncertain times financially for the club with reduced capacity we might all have to go without the additional discount this year. Agree that a direct debit/standing order scheme might be beneficial for some. If the limit is 1750, and we can sell that number of season tickets, then the financial picture will be clearer and can be managed. Maybe a resell scheme could be put in place for season ticket holders to donate unneeded tickets back to the club.
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Post by dc2cfc on Jul 26, 2020 5:54:27 GMT
How about a live streaming season ticket ?
Would have to put out the information for fans and see if enough would sign up for it to make it worthwhile doing, (costs for camera equipment, streaming costs etc)
This could make up for some lost revenue and would be perfect for exiles, fans that don’t want to attend the game, or even fans that can’t make the game on a regular basis.
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Post by banksy on Jul 26, 2020 8:10:02 GMT
Morning all,
We hope to have an update on the season tickets detail this week.
Naturally we're in a bit of a minefield with the guidance being given (that also constantly changes too!), and are looking at various ways to make things work for the best, both in terms of selling season tickets and also the logistics of seats etc for next season.
Thanks Jeff
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