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Post by South Wirral Blue on Apr 17, 2017 16:10:45 GMT
No more excuses.
No more defensive interviews avoiding difficult questions.
No more pretending to be a proper manager.
Just go.
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Post by tarvinblue on Apr 17, 2017 16:15:36 GMT
The deluded one isn't going anywhere. He'll stick to the fact he kept us in this division and will blindly create expectations that this 'outstanding young squad' will achieve great things next season. He's an utter fantasist. Mark McGuire needs to pack his desk - the man's a digrace. Ultimately he was the one that offered this fool a 2 and a half year contract on the basis of nothing.
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Post by ted the count on Apr 17, 2017 16:23:42 GMT
Crap form atm or not,it was an odd decision to hand out such a long term contract.
Do you think our board get bullied by these manager's/ex league player's who've been around the block a bit or what?
If he stay's and let's be honest it look's like he will we just have to hope can can do something in the off season and start building.
Hardly excited about next season tbh.
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Post by sqzl on Apr 17, 2017 16:29:22 GMT
Crap form atm or not,it was an odd decision to hand out such a long term contract. Do you think our board get bullied by these manager's/ex league player's who've been around the block a bit or what? If he stay's and let's be honest it look's like he will we just have to hope can can do something in the off season and start building. Hardly excited about next season tbh. I don't think Maguire is trying to drop us in the crap as some people have stupidly suggested. However the guys made a crap decision with the JM situation and he's a talker that offers absolutely nothing in terms of product. We've heard so much from him about doing this and doing that, where's the bloody evidence, he's been here how long and nothing has changed. JM and Maguire to go! |
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Post by billyw on Apr 17, 2017 16:38:39 GMT
Crap form atm or not,it was an odd decision to hand out such a long term contract. Do you think our board get bullied by these manager's/ex league player's who've been around the block a bit or what? If he stay's and let's be honest it look's like he will we just have to hope can can do something in the off season and start building. Hardly excited about next season tbh. I don't think Maguire is trying to drop us in the crap as some people have stupidly suggested. However the guys made a crap decision with the JM situation and he's a talker that offers absolutely nothing in terms of product. We've heard so much from him about doing this and doing that, where's the bloody evidence, he's been here how long and nothing has changed. JM and Maguire to go! Spend an hour in McCarthys company and you can't fail to be impressed by his knowledge, tactical awareness and man management but that's where it ends. He can talk till the cows come home but it is all theory and he can't put it into practice - will never make a decent manager as long as he lives. |
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Post by Lobster on Apr 17, 2017 16:41:54 GMT
I think one thing we have to accept is that he's not going to walk. He's got a contract for another two years, would you walk out of your job like that even if you were struggling at it? Especially knowing you aren't going to get another one at this level any time soon.
I would hope that we're not offering anyone a contract we can't afford to pay off if things don't go to plan. Perhaps it's time to consider taking that action now. I'm patient with managers and think it's a real shame considering how well he did up to Christmas, but this is an exceptionally poor run and his media handling has completely baffled me of late.
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Post by keyboard1 on Apr 17, 2017 16:42:21 GMT
What is needed, Don't sack him but fetch in someone to override him
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 16:45:05 GMT
I think one thing we have to accept is that he's not going to walk. He's got a contract for another two years, would you walk out of your job like that even if you were struggling at it? Especially knowing you aren't going to get another one at this level any time soon. I would hope that we're not offering anyone a contract we can't afford to pay off if things don't go to plan. Perhaps it's time to consider taking that action now. I'm patient with managers and think it's a real shame considering how well he did up to Christmas, but this is an exceptionally poor run and his media handling has completely baffled me of late. Just listened to his post match interview - I genuinely despair! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 16:47:31 GMT
I've just listened to Mecca being interviewed after today's game .groundhog day comes to mind were going to work harder in training.wow i thought we did that because we get paid for doing it. please stop protecting these players .and do the decent thing leave .missed my first game this season today.could not raise interest or enthusiasm am I surprised by the result ? not one bit not sure if I will renew my season ticket
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Post by Lobster on Apr 17, 2017 16:48:05 GMT
I think one thing we have to accept is that he's not going to walk. He's got a contract for another two years, would you walk out of your job like that even if you were struggling at it? Especially knowing you aren't going to get another one at this level any time soon. I would hope that we're not offering anyone a contract we can't afford to pay off if things don't go to plan. Perhaps it's time to consider taking that action now. I'm patient with managers and think it's a real shame considering how well he did up to Christmas, but this is an exceptionally poor run and his media handling has completely baffled me of late. Just listened to his post match interview - I genuinely despair! I don't think I can listen to it to be honest, I feel sorry for him. It's hard for anyone to give a good interview after a defeat but he's particularly bad at it. |
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Post by Fed up on Apr 17, 2017 16:48:33 GMT
Compare what the deluded one has done to what the Dundee manager did - and then do the same as Dundee!
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Post by Blue blood on Apr 17, 2017 16:49:49 GMT
I think one thing we have to accept is that he's not going to walk. He's got a contract for another two years, would you walk out of your job like that even if you were struggling at it? Especially knowing you aren't going to get another one at this level any time soon. I would hope that we're not offering anyone a contract we can't afford to pay off if things don't go to plan. Perhaps it's time to consider taking that action now. I'm patient with managers and think it's a real shame considering how well he did up to Christmas, but this is an exceptionally poor run and his media handling has completely baffled me of late. Just listened to his post match interview - I genuinely despair! I just heard it and it is clear he has lost it - he really needs to go. |
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Post by Sealking on Apr 17, 2017 16:56:35 GMT
Anyone got a link for the interview please? I'm struggling to sleep lately so listening to this boring clown will hopefully help
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Apr 17, 2017 17:03:56 GMT
Just listened to his post match interview - I genuinely despair! I just heard it and it is clear he has lost it - he really needs to go. He doesn't even talk a convincing game any more. |
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Post by catfordbags on Apr 17, 2017 17:05:30 GMT
.... I've still got plenty of patience.... the blokes learning his trade ... no shortage of effort today and signs of a decent performance second half .... no evidence in the stats that clubs who rotate managers eventually succeed.... third lowest playing budget and we are not third bottom ... to improve, we need to release perhaps the five worse players and sign five significantly better players ... whether JM can achieve this remains to be seen.... up the seals, now where did I put me tin hat .....
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Post by Jack on Apr 17, 2017 17:17:47 GMT
I think his hands have been tied a bit with the injuries to Mahon and Akintunde, he's been limited to playing a team with no width and little creativity.
However, I cannot say I would be upset if he left now. He's a manager who hasn't created any kind of rapport with the crowd and seems to struggle in the media. He was never a glamorous appointment and he wasn't really one to sell season tickets. 10 home defeats is staggering and that in itself almost make his position untenable.
The last thing I want to see is us become a Southport and change our manager every season, it will end in our demise just as it has with them. That being said, I just wonder if we've backed the wrong horse here. If he was going to go, it'd need to be an appointment to enthuse the crowd again because this end to the season has been really draining.
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Post by Lobster on Apr 17, 2017 17:22:22 GMT
This is how Maguire must feel about giving McCarthy a contract now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 17:30:38 GMT
I think the tipping point has been reached.
Looking at the number of fans streaming out, but more importantly, their expressions + the more vociferous comments at the end + the comments here on DC, you get the serious impression that the majority of fans want a change.
As a fan-owned club, surely now is the time for the"powers that be" to AT LEAST consider the views of the shareholders i.e. US
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Post by gaz on Apr 17, 2017 17:40:06 GMT
it is unlikely he will walk away from a two year contact and it would cost a fortune to sack him and pay him off......
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Post by bonecrusher on Apr 17, 2017 17:44:05 GMT
He's not going anywhere just yet but we're going to the National league North at the end of next season unless there are some changes somewhere - the playing squad needs an overhaul for a start. He'll probably be here until November but which time it will be too late.
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Post by YELLOW CARD on Apr 17, 2017 17:52:57 GMT
Football is a results industry, no matter what type of contract a Manager has been given; the possibility of making a change of Manager, should have been thought of, and built into the financial package/contract that he was given, (without making dire financial issues for the Club), which is normal football practice.
If this has not been done then the person/people responsible are accountable, whether a volunteer or paid employee.
Suggest any disgruntled fans get to the CFU meeting on Thursday and join the CFU (if not a member) this will entitle the shareholders of the Club to engage in their participation for making decisions,and at the same time this will increase the CFU membership which will be a bonus for the Club going forward.
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Post by billyw on Apr 17, 2017 18:08:25 GMT
it is unlikely he will walk away from a two year contact and it would cost a fortune to sack him and pay him off...... When Wrexham gave Keates a three and a half year contract, they allegedly included a performance related clause that they would not have to pay the balance of the contract if he was dismissed. I wonder whether our Board had the foresight to do likewise. |
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Post by Derry Blue on Apr 17, 2017 18:23:41 GMT
it is unlikely he will walk away from a two year contact and it would cost a fortune to sack him and pay him off...... When Wrexham gave Keates a three and a half year contract, they allegedly included a performance related clause that they would not have to pay the balance of the contract if he was dismissed. I wonder whether our Board had the foresight to do likewise. Billy's, I normally agree with everything you say, but I think we need to accept that the board made a mistake - one that was picked up by just a very few fans at the time. We can't do anything about that except hope that the board will be wiser in the future. What we can do is get rid of this clown of a manager before he destroys us. Not only is he a poor manager and tactician but he seems deluded about his ability. |
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Post by btb on Apr 17, 2017 18:25:50 GMT
It's hard to see where he goes from this point. He's lost the crowd and he's lost the media.
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Post by billyw on Apr 17, 2017 18:33:14 GMT
When Wrexham gave Keates a three and a half year contract, they allegedly included a performance related clause that they would not have to pay the balance of the contract if he was dismissed. I wonder whether our Board had the foresight to do likewise. Billy's, I normally agree with everything you say, but I think we need to accept that the board made a mistake - one that was picked up by just a very few fans at the time. We can't do anything about that except hope that the board will be wiser in the future. What we can do is get rid of this clown of a manager before he destroys us. Not only is he a poor manager and tactician but he seems deluded about his ability. I was being sarcastic mate when I wondered whether our Board had the foresight. They were wrong to give McCarthy an extended contract until the Sharps effect had worn off and I very much doubt whether they included a let-out clause, but we can live in hope. |
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Post by billyw on Apr 17, 2017 18:34:39 GMT
It's hard to see where he goes from this point. He's lost the crowd and he's lost the media. And his grip on reality. |
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Post by Derry Blue on Apr 17, 2017 18:37:32 GMT
Billy's, I normally agree with everything you say, but I think we need to accept that the board made a mistake - one that was picked up by just a very few fans at the time. We can't do anything about that except hope that the board will be wiser in the future. What we can do is get rid of this clown of a manager before he destroys us. Not only is he a poor manager and tactician but he seems deluded about his ability. I was being sarcastic mate when I wondered whether our Board had the foresight. They were wrong to give McCarthy an extended contract until the Sharps effect had worn off and I very much doubt whether they included a let-out clause, but we can live in hope. Hope is all we've got at the moment. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 18:37:33 GMT
He's not going anywhere just yet but we're going to the National league North at the end of next season unless there are some changes somewhere - the playing squad needs an overhaul for a start. He'll probably be here until November but which time it will be too late. That's the big worry because unlike other clubs we've not got the financial clout to buy our way out of trouble if we find ourselves bottom of the league in November |
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Post by MPW on Apr 17, 2017 18:44:08 GMT
We will probably stay up by the skin of our teeth which is what our objective was this season. But the worry is what damage has this years poor run done to the supporter base?, fans have become disinterested or disillusioned and are unlikely to be rushing to buy season tickets. I'm certainly in two minds about it.
If we have a poor preseason or start to the season, then his position will become untenable and we could be left with a squad that isn't good enough.
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Post by Derry Blue on Apr 17, 2017 18:45:01 GMT
He's not going anywhere just yet but we're going to the National league North at the end of next season unless there are some changes somewhere - the playing squad needs an overhaul for a start. He'll probably be here until November but which time it will be too late. That's the big worry because unlike other clubs we've not got the financial clout to buy our way out of trouble if we find ourselves bottom of the league in November I agree. I think if we start next season with JM we will be well and truly .......... (Add whatever word you think appropriate). |
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