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Post by Lobster on Jan 19, 2021 11:26:23 GMT
Maybe I'm simple or idealistic, but if rules imposed by the government mean that football clubs and other business have their primary income stream shut down, then surely it is the government's responsibility to ensure they are adequately compensated and able to keep going? I just don't understand what's up for debate or negotiation there.
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Post by superman on Jan 19, 2021 11:46:35 GMT
For me the real fault lies with the NL management who should have ensured that secure grant funding was guaranteed to fairly support all clubs for the full duration of the season if necessary. It was fairly predictable that there would be a good chance that the pandemic would worsen over winter. You could argue that the clubs were sold a false promise or that they were all a bit naive. As supporters we all wanted the season to start, to get crowds back, and perhaps thought things would somehow be ok. How wrong most of us were. We now need to look forward, find the best way to preserve our club and hopefully it’s status in NLN. Our current board have led us well. We now need to know the detailed financial status, and collectively reach a consensus to allow the board to act with the backing of the membership. We need to focus on this and not waste time and energy looking for scapegoats.
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Post by oldsealandroadender on Jan 19, 2021 12:33:58 GMT
In normal times if clubs cannot guarantee funding to complete the season then they are thrown out of the competition. The NL bumble on clueless and or incompetent and are still in charge of running a league.
NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE!
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jan 19, 2021 15:33:36 GMT
Andrew Morris interview link
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Post by dhw on Jan 19, 2021 16:04:21 GMT
Good summary by Andy, but only increases my fear we will not complete the season.
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Post by exiled on Jan 19, 2021 17:15:21 GMT
All down to the National leagues misallocation and mismanagement of the original grant. it should have been allocated in the first instance to cover lost gate revenue as was intended.
The buck stops with them. Now they want clubs to lobby their MP'S for the next lot of funding to come in the form of Grant's rather than loans.I suppose theve got to do something to try and look good and get clubs that they wronged first time round on side.
Loans no good for a fan owned club that relies for the majority of their budget on gate revenue like ours. We were struggling anyway being shortchanged with the grant. Although might suit those clubs that have sugar daddies and small fanbases that run on loans anyway.
Also didn't the premier league release next seasons solidarity payments last year to help us through the pandemic? (Although I might be wrong on that).
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Post by glosblue on Jan 19, 2021 17:49:42 GMT
It's so depressing, isn't it. An unelected sub-committee decide on an award process for the original grant that effectively embezzles some of their fellow clubs, and nobody does anything about it. Let's hope the legal action works, but it may come too late even if it does. And then the next grant application process is a shambles - probably because loans advantage the same clubs once again, given their financial position and ownership model: I smell the same rat.
Football seems to be the same everywhere. Myself and 3 mates have tickets for 2 England games at the Euros, held over from last year. Uefa have now said that - if the matches can't be held at Wembley - they will move them wherever in Europe they like, and no-one can have a refund at that point - you have to get one by January 26th or take that risk. And the awarding of the last and next World Cup tournaments are clearly the result of corruption, yet nothing can be done about that either, it seems. Makes you lose faith in human nature, tbh.
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Post by agl on Jan 19, 2021 17:51:25 GMT
Not entirely sure who has done the Maths but one report I've read suggests that the cost to the taxpayer of furloughing players and employees of National league clubs (if season ends) would be more than the cost of giving grants to finish the season.
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Post by Ian H Block on Jan 19, 2021 18:04:18 GMT
Not entirely sure who has done the Maths but one report I've read suggests that the cost to the taxpayer of furloughing players and employees of National league clubs (if season ends) would be more than the cost of giving grants to finish the season. And in the short-term the cheapest option for the Government is for the NL to implode and clubs go pop. Remember these are sociopathic Tories we are dealing with, they don’t care about us.
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 19, 2021 18:26:13 GMT
This thread is as bad as the off topic forum 🤣
Why sit here and think of solutions to our clubs problem when we can all moan about politicians...
How about we take it in our own hands and save our football club hey?
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Post by Lobster on Jan 19, 2021 18:28:52 GMT
This thread is as bad as the off topic forum 🤣 Why sit here and think of solutions to our clubs problem when we can all moan about politicians... How about we take it in our own hands and save our football club hey? Go on then, start us off.
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Post by agl on Jan 19, 2021 18:37:13 GMT
This thread is as bad as the off topic forum 🤣 Why sit here and think of solutions to our clubs problem when we can all moan about politicians... How about we take it in our own hands and save our football club hey? At the moment the best route is surely to put as much pressure on politicians and get a U turn. Frankly, 10 million is a drop in the ocean. I don't see huge appetite for more fan fundraising, bearing in mind those who chipped in last time made ongoing commitments.
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 19, 2021 18:37:51 GMT
This thread is as bad as the off topic forum 🤣 Why sit here and think of solutions to our clubs problem when we can all moan about politicians... How about we take it in our own hands and save our football club hey? Go on then, start us off. Typical response from you. I'll tell you what absolutely won't work, if people keep posting how much they won't donate, that kind of attitude means our club is dead
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 19, 2021 18:40:57 GMT
This thread is as bad as the off topic forum 🤣 Why sit here and think of solutions to our clubs problem when we can all moan about politicians... How about we take it in our own hands and save our football club hey? At the moment the best route is surely to put as much pressure on politicians and get a U turn. Frankly, 10 million is a drop in the ocean. I don't see huge appetite for more fan fundraising, bearing in mind those who chipped in last time made ongoing commitments. Who are you to say what appetite chester fans have for fund raising? This forum does not represent the majority of our fans based in Chester let alone the country or the region
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Post by Gandalf on Jan 19, 2021 18:46:23 GMT
This thread is as bad as the off topic forum 🤣 Why sit here and think of solutions to our clubs problem when we can all moan about politicians... How about we take it in our own hands and save our football club hey? When most people are furloughed and already seeing a reduced wage, on top of direct debits that are going out for the last fund?? The club can't go to the fans in what is already trying times for most. The National League boards a joke along with that Tory prick Dowden I really hope heads role if the season is ended after tomorrow.
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Post by agl on Jan 19, 2021 18:48:34 GMT
At the moment the best route is surely to put as much pressure on politicians and get a U turn. Frankly, 10 million is a drop in the ocean. I don't see huge appetite for more fan fundraising, bearing in mind those who chipped in last time made ongoing commitments. Who are you to say what appetite chester fans have for fund raising? This forum does not represent the majority of our fans based in Chester let alone the country or the region I'm giving my opinion, that I don't see much appetite for more fundraising for the reason I gave. That's all. Feel free to disagree.
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 19, 2021 18:49:23 GMT
This thread is as bad as the off topic forum 🤣 Why sit here and think of solutions to our clubs problem when we can all moan about politicians... How about we take it in our own hands and save our football club hey? When most people are furloughed and already seeing a reduced wage, on top of direct debits that are going out for the last fund?? The club can't go to the fans in what is already trying times for most. The National League boards a joke along with that Tory prick Dowden I really hope heads role if the season is ended after tomorrow. I'm not defending the politicians or the national league. Far from it but I don't see the point in moaning they won't change. So let's act now! If people are already donating via DD or furloughed then fine they don't have to donate more! But there's an awful lot of people who are still working and could afford to spare some. We should tap into that before it gets worse
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Post by geoff on Jan 19, 2021 19:00:56 GMT
I’m really impressed by our Chairman, Andy Morris. We are so fortunately to have him leading the club at this difficult time.
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Post by superman on Jan 19, 2021 19:27:22 GMT
At the moment we don’t know what the final scenario will be. Only the board will currently know the likely financial implications of what each potential outcome is. Too many unknowns today. Fund raising without a clear objective is unlikely to reap much reward. Once we know more the board should be able to give us their view. However if there is a collective decision by the league to terminate the season, then there will be some serious head scratching to be done about finances going forward. The doomsday scenario for us is if we are alone in wanting to withdraw from this seasons competition.
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Post by agl on Jan 19, 2021 19:32:52 GMT
At the moment we don’t know what the final scenario will be. Only the board will currently know the likely financial implications of what each potential outcome is. Too many unknowns today. Fund raising without a clear objective is unlikely to reap much reward. Once we know more the board should be able to give us their view. However if there is a collective decision by the league to terminate the season, then there will be some serious head scratching to be done about finances going forward. The doomsday scenario for us is if we are alone in wanting to withdraw from this seasons competition. I very much doubt we will be alone. The vast majority of clubs rely on gate money and will be wary of taking on more debt. One would hope even the more enlightened sugar daddy clubs would show solidarity.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Jan 19, 2021 22:04:10 GMT
Excellent summary by the Chairman. The one hope is that there is strength in numbers. There are bound to be lots of clubs in the same boat.
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Post by Si on Jan 19, 2021 22:23:12 GMT
At the moment we don’t know what the final scenario will be. Only the board will currently know the likely financial implications of what each potential outcome is. Too many unknowns today. Fund raising without a clear objective is unlikely to reap much reward. Once we know more the board should be able to give us their view. However if there is a collective decision by the league to terminate the season, then there will be some serious head scratching to be done about finances going forward. The doomsday scenario for us is if we are alone in wanting to withdraw from this seasons competition. Fair points. What exactly would we be fundraising for? Hypothetically if we raised another 100k then I fail to see the point if other clubs cannot carry on and the season is null and void. In which case, we hold back on fundraising and renew our efforts on that over the summer when hopefully the outlook for football and fans looks more promising. As many others have pointed out, a lot of people are financially struggling and a decent amount of Chester fans are giving what they can every month, now isn't the time to be begging fans to prop us up to finish a season where barely any of us have seen us play live. If all the clubs somehow did decide to carry on without grants then do we decide to use more of our rainy day fund? I'd personally say yes, as it would be awful for us to be the only team unable to carry on and seems like a legitimate scenario where you would tap into that. I can't remember the last figure exactly that was given at the AGM but I think it was around 80-90k? We've had streaming revenue and the Josh Taylor money too. It's all just hypothetical situations at the moment. I really don't see the point in hounding MP's and the government - they don't give a shit about sport at our level no matter how much we shout, and we don't have a Marcus Rashford to change their mind. I fear the National League will see who can carry on without funding and who won't, and there will be plenty of clubs who can't do it so the season is null and void and the Tories can mull over why they are spunking an extra 4million quid than what it would have cost them to enable us to finish the season, and the National League can ponder how they spunked 10million quid for absolutely no reason whatsoever, not that they did that well anyway. The whole thing is a complete farce and I fear for what's left of football at this level.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2021 22:24:39 GMT
This thread is as bad as the off topic forum 🤣 Why sit here and think of solutions to our clubs problem when we can all moan about politicians... How about we take it in our own hands and save our football club hey? The cause of and solution to our clubs problems lies in the main part with politicians who have so far mishandled the situation abysmally. We are entitled to and allowed to complain it's a forum to let of steam as much as anything else. I have no doubt once we know the situation after tomorrow we will take it in hand to keep our football club in existence, but we have to be realistic it's very, very unlikely we can raise the funds to complete the season from supporter fund raising we would have to at least double the last herculean fundraising effort most of which is made up of ongoing existing Direct Debits.
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Post by agl on Jan 19, 2021 22:42:46 GMT
I know it's a big if but if those numbers are true about it costing the taxpayer more to end the season than give out a grant, then you'd hope sanity will prevail. A very good letter by the Chester MP to the Sports Minister, btw. Regarding our own fundraising, it's going to need some out of the box thinking by someone. My view is that it has to come from external sources, as the fans are pretty much bled dry. I appreciate, of course, that's easier said than done.
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Post by waggoner on Jan 19, 2021 22:57:44 GMT
Go on then, start us off. Typical response from you. I'll tell you what absolutely won't work, if people keep posting how much they won't donate, that kind of attitude means our club is dead TBH. We are by no means the only club who cannot continue without funding. I also feel that we cannot keep putting our hands into the same pockets to save the club., Money is tight everywhere and even though lots of people still have a job, lots of them are getting less because of overtime, bonus and hours being cut. I work but i don't know for how long i could find out tomorrow that we are all out of work. And many are in the same boat. I know of plenty of people who are having to go to foodbanks just to have enough for the kids to eat. Yes i do want the club to survive i really do but i also understand if people cannot afford £5, £10, £20 If the season ends tomorrow then we just have to mothball and try again in a few months
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Post by dmcnally on Jan 19, 2021 23:16:01 GMT
There will be a strong majority of NLN/S clubs who will want the season ended tomorrow, so they can get onto the furlough scheme without delay.
The issue could be the NL clubs, where it'll be closer. Will they let two of their leagues end, one cripple itself towards a conclusion? Dare they insist all three of their leagues follow the same path?
NLN/S only have 4 votes each, compared to one per club in NL, correct? This could get messier if the NL top half get their way.
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Post by Forever Blue on Jan 20, 2021 1:09:59 GMT
I have been working my bollocks off and have missed what is going on can someone kindly fill me in ?
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Post by oldsealandroadender on Jan 20, 2021 1:18:02 GMT
I know it's a big if but if those numbers are true about it costing the taxpayer more to end the season than give out a grant, then you'd hope sanity will prevail. A very good letter by the Chester MP to the Sports Minister, btw. Regarding our own fundraising, it's going to need some out of the box thinking by someone. My view is that it has to come from external sources, as the fans are pretty much bled dry. I appreciate, of course, that's easier said than done. If clubs can't or won't take on loans then that saves most of the £11 million.
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Post by Forever Blue on Jan 20, 2021 1:20:33 GMT
Sickens me the likes of Chesterfield sign a shit load of players then apply for a hardship fund 😒 were is the bleeding justice in all this ?
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Post by oldsealandroadender on Jan 20, 2021 1:35:41 GMT
With the NL having 23 votes and the North and South divisions having 8 votes between the 44 clubs does that mean if the majority of NL clubs decide to carry on whatever then the other 44 have to as well even if they cannot afford to?
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