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Post by Si on Mar 31, 2021 12:14:58 GMT
I honestly can't think of anything the club has done wrong since the pandemic hit us. Under unprecedented challenges, everything has been carefully measured, well thought out, and professionally and respectfully expressed. That are a lot of organisations that could take a leaf out of the club's book on how to handle a situation like this. It's all very un-Chester, historically! It makes me realise that while Conference North isn't where I want us to be forever, I've never been so proud of what the club is, does, and stands for. Completely agree. That extends to everyone, not just the board.....the players who gave absolutely everything despite it being a risk to their own health and with some playing for nothing, the understanding of the managers, and everyone else behind the scenes from the media team to Baz who have all conducted themselves impeccably. We've a lot to be proud of.
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Post by geoff on Mar 31, 2021 16:16:13 GMT
I couldn’t agree more with the comments of Lobster and Si.....__well done everyone we are all proud of your professionalism and dedication.
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Post by superman on Mar 31, 2021 16:39:49 GMT
Absolutely agree with all these comments. We need to remind ourselves not to be overly critical if results next season fail to meet our sometime overinflated expectations!
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Post by muffinthemule on Apr 1, 2021 17:42:46 GMT
Anyone heard the outcome of the numbers supporting the vote of no confidence?
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Post by Gandalf on Apr 1, 2021 18:13:54 GMT
Anyone heard the outcome of the numbers supporting the vote of no confidence? I was looking around today but there's been nothing more said at the moment
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Post by avfo on Apr 1, 2021 19:34:53 GMT
Anyone heard the outcome of the numbers supporting the vote of no confidence? I was looking around today but there's been nothing more said at the moment The deadline was extended until Monday following requests from a number of clubs who wanted time to hold board meetings to discuss the proposal.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Apr 6, 2021 15:39:56 GMT
Barwick to stand down at end of 20/21 season, the rats are certainly jumping ship link
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Post by devadiva on Apr 6, 2021 15:41:52 GMT
I see Barwick is on his way at end of season. Let’s hope it leads to a full clear out and reassessment of what governance the NL needs to make it fit for purpose for the next 10+ years. Can’t be that hard as you just have to do the opposite of the last 18 months.
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Post by loskasleftfoot on Apr 6, 2021 15:47:53 GMT
Just reading some of the tributes to Barwick and his achievements with the NL since 2015. I must live in a parallel universe
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Post by Lobster on Apr 8, 2021 10:06:56 GMT
Seventeen clubs (25%) have supported the vote of no confidence. Well above the 10% needed to call for an EGM, but not as many as I expected. What's up with the other 75%?
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Post by superman on Apr 8, 2021 10:30:16 GMT
No point in having an EGM if insufficient support for vote of no confidence/demand for board to step down in its totality. Better to have a progressive resolution backed by an outline proposal for structural change which looks forward. Just leaving a void was never going to get enough buy in.
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Post by eyeswideopen on Apr 8, 2021 10:51:31 GMT
Seventeen clubs (25%) have supported the vote of no confidence. Well above the 10% needed to call for an EGM, but not as many as I expected. What's up with the other 75%? Probably too many Chairman of the other clubs have been "looked after" by the current board. Shocking but no surprise
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Post by Lobster on Apr 8, 2021 11:00:42 GMT
No point in having an EGM if insufficient support for vote of no confidence/demand for board to step down in its totality. Better to have a progressive resolution backed by an outline proposal for structural change which looks forward. Just leaving a void was never going to get enough buy in. Agree, but I suppose the ideal situation is to force change without the need for an EGM. Barwick has gone which is a start - that bloke is the Mark Maguire of the FA, constantly stuffing everything up and still somehow getting jobs - but it doesn't solve the issues.
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Post by Churton Blue on Apr 14, 2021 17:52:29 GMT
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Post by Wortleyblue on Apr 14, 2021 19:18:35 GMT
Club co-owner Rob McElhenney has previously commented on the matter saying “We don’t need their money.”
Today the Welsh Government have confirmed a grant of £100,000 has been made, with the Deputy Minister for Culture, Sport and Tourism Dafydd Elis-Thomas MS saying: “Following an exchange of correspondence with the club, they were invited to submit an application to the Spectator Sports Survival Fund 2020-21 so officials could formally assess its eligibility.
“The application was deemed eligible for support and Wrexham AFC were offered a Funding Award grant in the amount of up to £100,000, which was accepted and paid in one instalment.
“It was awarded on the basis the sources of funding the Welsh Government expected to be available to the club from the UK Government had not materialised so they had not been afforded the same opportunity as their competitors to access support to mitigate the impact of the net losses.”
Lesley Griffiths MS has been in regular contact with Wrexham AFC and has made representations to Sport England, the UK Government and Welsh Government on the matter.
She said: “I’m delighted this issue has been resolved. Once it became clear Wrexham AFC had been excluded from UK Government support, I approached the Welsh Government and it has stepped up to the plate.”
“After the takeover, Wrexham AFC is fortunately in a much more secure position financially, but it was the principle of the matter that was important to me. I didn’t want to see Wrexham AFC missing out on something it is perfectly entitled to just because the club is located in Wales.
I thought grants were there to help out clubs that needed the money to survive, and are they not now signing player something stinks
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Post by combover on Apr 14, 2021 20:02:28 GMT
Club co-owner Rob McElhenney has previously commented on the matter saying “We don’t need their money.”Today the Welsh Government have confirmed a grant of £100,000 has been made, with the Deputy Minister for Culture, Sport and Tourism Dafydd Elis-Thomas MS saying: “Following an exchange of correspondence with the club, they were invited to submit an application to the Spectator Sports Survival Fund 2020-21 so officials could formally assess its eligibility. “ The application was deemed eligible for support and Wrexham AFC were offered a Funding Award grant in the amount of up to £100,000, which was accepted and paid in one instalment.
“It was awarded on the basis the sources of funding the Welsh Government expected to be available to the club from the UK Government had not materialised so they had not been afforded the same opportunity as their competitors to access support to mitigate the impact of the net losses.” Lesley Griffiths MS has been in regular contact with Wrexham AFC and has made representations to Sport England, the UK Government and Welsh Government on the matter. She said: “I’m delighted this issue has been resolved. Once it became clear Wrexham AFC had been excluded from UK Government support, I approached the Welsh Government and it has stepped up to the plate.” “After the takeover, Wrexham AFC is fortunately in a much more secure position financially, but it was the principle of the matter that was important to me. I didn’t want to see Wrexham AFC missing out on something it is perfectly entitled to just because the club is located in Wales. I thought grants were there to help out clubs that needed the money to survive, and are they not now signing player something stinks Lesley Griffith's buying votes for the elections on May 6th
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Apr 14, 2021 20:06:16 GMT
I thought grants were there to help out clubs that needed the money to survive, and are they not now signing player something stinks Oh well what you gonna do 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by luke90 on Apr 15, 2021 8:27:27 GMT
I thought grants were there to help out clubs that needed the money to survive, and are they not now signing player something stinks Oh well what you gonna do 🤷🏻♂️ Bet you wouldn't take that attitude if it were a conservative MP from down south. Such a hypocrite.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Apr 15, 2021 9:02:01 GMT
Lol you missed my point entirely.
I actually completely and thoroughly agree with WortleyBlue’s point that rich benefactor clubs shouldn’t really be getting government handouts at all - I’m just unbelievably astounded by WortleyBlue’s complete lack of self-awareness about this.
Oh, and keep politics off the football chat please.
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Post by Harry Lime on Apr 15, 2021 9:11:38 GMT
This is just one in a long line of misappropriation of available grant funding. People don't act frugally. They just spend what's available. Some get loads, others get nothing. Not just restricted to football or sport. Someone in the NHS said to me when arranging a respite placing "Don't worry about funding. We can get money for anything at the moment, due to Covid". This was nothing to do with Covid.
Some people just see money available and use it for things it wasn't intended for. The rest if us end up funding it. It's hardly surprising the wider public have a low opinion of football clubs when things like this happen. It's a bit like giving Man City or Salford grants.
In short, Welsh club gets a grant it wouldn't otherwise qualify for, because they're Welsh.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Apr 15, 2021 9:50:21 GMT
In short, Welsh club gets a grant it wouldn't otherwise qualify for, because they're Welsh. Regardless of the rest of the argument about benefactors etc, the Welsh Gov has stepped in to provide Wrexham with the same benefit that their competitors will have been given by the English government - if you look at that one, single point on its own, I don’t see a problem with that.
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Post by Si on Apr 15, 2021 9:56:33 GMT
In short, Welsh club gets a grant it wouldn't otherwise qualify for, because they're Welsh. Regardless of the rest of the argument about benefactors etc, the Welsh Gov has stepped in to provide Wrexham with the same benefit that their competitors will have been given by the English government - if you look at that one, single point on its own, I don’t see a problem with that. I wouldn't have had so much of an issue with it if the owner that isn't Deadpool hadn't come out with his pitchfork declaring they didn't need it anyway. When you put a comment like that out in the press for everyone to see, and then you are retrospectively accepting that 100k a few months later then quite rightly the tax payer should be questioning the allocation of these funds. As they don't need it, they should thank for the Welsh FA for allocating it as it should have been initially, but bearing in mind they don't need it (his words, not mine) then they can refuse to take it, or perhaps donate it to a local charity.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Apr 15, 2021 10:04:49 GMT
In short, Welsh club gets a grant it wouldn't otherwise qualify for, because they're Welsh. Regardless of the rest of the argument about benefactors etc, the Welsh Gov has stepped in to provide Wrexham with the same benefit that their competitors will have been given by the English government - if you look at that one, single point on its own, I don’t see a problem with that. Your post from 25th March "The Government shouldn't be giving “emergency survival” handouts to clubs with more incoming than outgoing and a decent rainy day fund sitting in the bank. Yes, reckless clubs are given a lifeline, but the money they spend and debt they get themselves into is just the nature of football at all levels of the pyramid unfortunately".
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Post by Lobster on Apr 15, 2021 10:11:17 GMT
Yes, I think what they've done is pretty distasteful and classless there, and I wouldn't be happy with us acting like that. It would be a good PR move to donate it.
Also, and I'm trying not to just sound like a bitter Chester fan here, do Wrexham not have to bear in mind that a concession is already being made for them as a Welsh club playing in the English league, and that there are times when there will inevitably be a conflict between their geographic location and their football administration side? They already get the rare luxury of being able to appeal to a separate FA to the rest of us - who often intervene on their behalf. I'm not one for saying "play in your own country's league", as I accept their history is in the EFL and the League of Wales is only a recent creation, but I think a little humility might serve them well.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Apr 15, 2021 10:45:51 GMT
Regardless of the rest of the argument about benefactors etc, the Welsh Gov has stepped in to provide Wrexham with the same benefit that their competitors will have been given by the English government - if you look at that one, single point on its own, I don’t see a problem with that. Your post from 25th March "The Government shouldn't be giving “emergency survival” handouts to clubs with more incoming than outgoing and a decent rainy day fund sitting in the bank. Yes, reckless clubs are given a lifeline, but the money they spend and debt they get themselves into is just the nature of football at all levels of the pyramid unfortunately". Literally said I agree with you earlier in the thread; you’re deviating away from the point I made in the post you have quoted. As I said earlier, though, your particular stance on this issue is bemusing (you don’t seem to be able to make your mind up), though I wholeheartedly agree with it.
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Post by Harry Lime on Apr 15, 2021 11:06:24 GMT
In short, Welsh club gets a grant it wouldn't otherwise qualify for, because they're Welsh. Regardless of the rest of the argument about benefactors etc, the Welsh Gov has stepped in to provide Wrexham with the same benefit that their competitors will have been given by the English government - if you look at that one, single point on its own, I don’t see a problem with that. Have I missed something here?? Did every English club get £100k? My understanding was that Grants were only there for clubs that could demonstrate they would be in danger of going bust by April, if no funding was given. Otherwise they could accept a loan. We wouldn't have qualified for a grant, as most clubs wouldn't. Fair enough. So how come they get a grant? I don't understand. As I've said, maybe I've missed something.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Apr 15, 2021 12:18:45 GMT
Your post from 25th March "The Government shouldn't be giving “emergency survival” handouts to clubs with more incoming than outgoing and a decent rainy day fund sitting in the bank. Yes, reckless clubs are given a lifeline, but the money they spend and debt they get themselves into is just the nature of football at all levels of the pyramid unfortunately". Literally said I agree with you earlier in the thread; you’re deviating away from the point I made in the post you have quoted. As I said earlier, though, your particular stance on this issue is bemusing (you don’t seem to be able to make your mind up), though I wholeheartedly agree with it. I'm not sure why you think that, I thought I had been quite clear on this subject in that I believe the original allocation was diabolical and that only clubs who are unable to survive should get a grant not clubs who have enough financial clout behind them (Wrexham being one) or clubs who have spent recklessly ie Chesterfield who opted for a loan. In our case (and no doubt there are a number of clubs in a similar situation) I am dissappointed we didn't get a grant, yes we have been prudent with our finances but we have also lost a substantial amount of money due to Covid and the grossly unfair initial handout
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Post by Si on Apr 15, 2021 12:30:04 GMT
Literally said I agree with you earlier in the thread; you’re deviating away from the point I made in the post you have quoted. As I said earlier, though, your particular stance on this issue is bemusing (you don’t seem to be able to make your mind up), though I wholeheartedly agree with it. I'm not sure why you think that, I thought I had been quite clear on this subject in that I believe the original allocation was diabolical and that only clubs who are unable to survive should get a grant not clubs who have enough financial clout behind them (Wrexham being one) or clubs who have spent recklessly ie Chesterfield who opted for a loan. In our case (and no doubt there are a number of clubs in a similar situation) I am disappointed we didn't get a grant, yes we have been prudent with our finances but we have also lost a substantial amount of money due to Covid and the grossly unfair initial handout But then you'd need some clarification on what you'd classify as 'financial clout' - how do the league determine that? You could argue that Chester FC with 100k in reserve have financial clout, therefore don't need the grant. All clubs will have lost substantial amounts of money, Wrexham included, but we've hibernated the business and furloughed the staff therefore our 100k financial clout will be enough to see us through this, all being well. This is what happens when the league tries to treat clubs separately, you get winners and losers - as far as I can see the only fair way would have been grants based on your lost income, with extra loans available for clubs in danger of going bust.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Apr 15, 2021 12:58:53 GMT
I'm not sure why you think that, I thought I had been quite clear on this subject in that I believe the original allocation was diabolical and that only clubs who are unable to survive should get a grant not clubs who have enough financial clout behind them (Wrexham being one) or clubs who have spent recklessly ie Chesterfield who opted for a loan. In our case (and no doubt there are a number of clubs in a similar situation) I am disappointed we didn't get a grant, yes we have been prudent with our finances but we have also lost a substantial amount of money due to Covid and the grossly unfair initial handout But then you'd need some clarification on what you'd classify as 'financial clout' - how do the league determine that? You could argue that Chester FC with 100k in reserve have financial clout, therefore don't need the grant. All clubs will have lost substantial amounts of money, Wrexham included, but we've hibernated the business and furloughed the staff therefore our 100k financial clout will be enough to see us through this, all being well. This is what happens when the league tries to treat clubs separately, you get winners and losers - as far as I can see the only fair way would have been grants based on your lost income, with extra loans available for clubs in danger of going bust. Well for a start "financial clout" in my opinion would be any club who voted to continue the season knowing that grants were not going to be avaialble and that clubs would have to finance themselves untill the end of the season (Dover being the only one to tell the league to stuff it, albeit after no relegation was introduced) or indeed any club who publically announce they "dont need the money". As in our case and many others no doubt, yes we were deemed to have the financial clout but thats a joke just how far would 100k go in running the club it certainly would not have kept us going until the end of the season without crowds. The idea of taking a loan is ludicrous and had the initial funding been based on average crowds as was originally promised there may have been a small chance of finishing the season.
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Post by Churton Blue on Apr 15, 2021 17:03:49 GMT
In short, Welsh club gets a grant it wouldn't otherwise qualify for, because they're Welsh. Regardless of the rest of the argument about benefactors etc, the Welsh Gov has stepped in to provide Wrexham with the same benefit that their competitors will have been given by the English government - if you look at that one, single point on its own, I don’t see a problem with that. Sport England, not the Government, provided a total of 40k in grants in March/April to the 65 National League clubs based in England. Two clubs got about 20k each. The Welsh Government gave Wrexham AFC a grant of 100k. Appears to be a club with Government financial support competing against clubs who can not access such support. The UK Government specifically made the point that they would not provide such financial support, hence monies came from the National Lottery Promotion Fund and Sport England.
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