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Post by wxmred on Feb 15, 2021 15:01:41 GMT
We have got to get OUT of this league first
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Post by bing on Feb 15, 2021 15:50:30 GMT
My gut feeling is the £2m won't go particularly far, but their presence would open up new doors for revenue streams away from the football field.
I'm not one of these people who wishes misfortune on clubs - even if they are our biggest rivals - but I am gutted as I loved being in the same league, guaranteeing regular derbies each season.
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Post by bluejay on Feb 15, 2021 19:50:55 GMT
This type of thread pops up every month or so depending on what’s happening (or not happening) around the club. Akwasi leaves - Sell the club. Lose a game - Sell the club. The W*****m takeover - Sell the club. Firstly, there’s nothing to sell. Secondly, who wants to own a business with zero chance of making money? Thirdly, what is it we all want? Getting beat off Boreham Wood at home? Travelling to Crawley? Huge home games versus Morecambe and Barrow? It’s just a constant cyclical conversation whenever another club does something we haven’t. It’s tiring just reading it every few weeks. It's the same at every football club when nothing's really happening (on or off the pitch). Lots of fans looking for what's wrong. Fan ownership is just the easiest thing to blame at the moment as there's nothing to blame the managers for 🤫 and everyone's bored. It's human nature.
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Post by waggoner on Feb 15, 2021 21:15:57 GMT
This type of thread pops up every month or so depending on what’s happening (or not happening) around the club. Akwasi leaves - Sell the club. Lose a game - Sell the club. The W*****m takeover - Sell the club. Firstly, there’s nothing to sell. Secondly, who wants to own a business with zero chance of making money? Thirdly, what is it we all want? Getting beat off Boreham Wood at home? Travelling to Crawley? Huge home games versus Morecambe and Barrow? It’s just a constant cyclical conversation whenever another club does something we haven’t. It’s tiring just reading it every few weeks. It's the same at every football club when nothing's really happening (on or off the pitch). Lots of fans looking for what's wrong. Fan ownership is just the easiest thing to blame at the moment as there's nothing to blame the managers for 🤫 and everyone's bored. It's human nature. Double edged sword though is it not?. The fan ownership model we have is the reason we have a club to support, but it is also the reason we cannot progress and also the reason why 1000 have vanished off the gate over the last few years. We all sat at the first few CFU meetings when we reformed and the '5 year plan' and '7 year plan' were put forwards Both plans were the times it would take to get into the league. We have stagnated and gone backwards. I am not wanting to sell up or sell out but we will never get anyone interested in coming onboard if they keep reading ''yea we will have your money but you get nothing for it, because WE own OUR club'' We need some investment off somebody to get out of these piss poor leagues. Our crowds are just going to get lower and lower because it stinks of lack of ambition in the eyes of the fans we want to attract. I am sorry if some of you are bored reading that people want to move into better football. I often wonder if some on here would rather the club drift into the Evostick leagues than at least consider looking for investment
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Post by norwegianblue on Feb 15, 2021 21:18:51 GMT
Out of interest, what would the opinion be if Red Bull wanted to add an English non-league club to their portfolio and offered a takeover of Chester?
Let's face it R&R are are small time compared to Mr. Mateschitz (Speaking from experience, he's a nice bloke actually).
RB Chester anyone?
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Post by Moltisanti on Feb 15, 2021 21:56:50 GMT
Out of interest, what would the opinion be if Red Bull wanted to add an English non-league club to their portfolio and offered a takeover of Chester? Let's face it R&R are are small time compared to Mr. Mateschitz (Speaking from experience, he's a nice bloke actually). RB Chester anyone? Yep.
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Post by cheshireblue on Feb 15, 2021 22:37:01 GMT
It's the same at every football club when nothing's really happening (on or off the pitch). Lots of fans looking for what's wrong. Fan ownership is just the easiest thing to blame at the moment as there's nothing to blame the managers for 🤫 and everyone's bored. It's human nature. Double edged sword though is it not?. The fan ownership model we have is the reason we have a club to support, but it is also the reason we cannot progress and also the reason why 1000 have vanished off the gate over the last few years. We all sat at the first few CFU meetings when we reformed and the '5 year plan' and '7 year plan' were put forwards Both plans were the times it would take to get into the league. We have stagnated and gone backwards. I am not wanting to sell up or sell out but we will never get anyone interested in coming onboard if they keep reading ''yea we will have your money but you get nothing for it, because WE own OUR club'' We need some investment off somebody to get out of these piss poor leagues. Our crowds are just going to get lower and lower because it stinks of lack of ambition in the eyes of the fans we want to attract. I am sorry if some of you are bored reading that people want to move into better football. I often wonder if some on here would rather the club drift into the Evostick leagues than at least consider looking for investment You say that about our gates, but prior to the the lockdown last season, our attendances were only around 100 people down from five years prior and back then we were in the National League and with games against Tranmere and Wrexham.
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Post by oldboneze on Feb 16, 2021 8:20:05 GMT
Out of interest, what would the opinion be if Red Bull wanted to add an English non-league club to their portfolio and offered a takeover of Chester? Let's face it R&R are are small time compared to Mr. Mateschitz (Speaking from experience, he's a nice bloke actually). RB Chester anyone? Yep. Nope.
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Post by eyeswideopen on Feb 16, 2021 8:49:43 GMT
Out of interest, what would the opinion be if Red Bull wanted to add an English non-league club to their portfolio and offered a takeover of Chester? Let's face it R&R are are small time compared to Mr. Mateschitz (Speaking from experience, he's a nice bloke actually). RB Chester anyone? Only if we retained 51% ownership and they changed their named to Blue Bull, then definitely.
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Post by agl on Feb 16, 2021 9:22:54 GMT
Out of interest, what would the opinion be if Red Bull wanted to add an English non-league club to their portfolio and offered a takeover of Chester? Let's face it R&R are are small time compared to Mr. Mateschitz (Speaking from experience, he's a nice bloke actually). RB Chester anyone? Only if we retained 51% ownership and they changed their named to Blue Bull, then definitely. Not having that ....the Bull is Hereford's nickname. For me it would have to be Blue Seal Chester. Would obviously have to tweak the marketing slogan slightly....'Blue Seal, the drink that gives you flippers'
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Post by superman on Feb 16, 2021 9:42:52 GMT
Out of interest, what would the opinion be if Red Bull wanted to add an English non-league club to their portfolio and offered a takeover of Chester? Let's face it R&R are are small time compared to Mr. Mateschitz (Speaking from experience, he's a nice bloke actually). RB Chester anyone? Only if we retained 51% ownership and they changed their named to Blue Bull, then definitely. Are there any UK examples of this ownership ratio? Difficult to understand why any commercial organisation or indeed individual would want a 49% share.
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Post by exiled on Feb 16, 2021 10:46:49 GMT
Out of interest, what would the opinion be if Red Bull wanted to add an English non-league club to their portfolio and offered a takeover of Chester? Let's face it R&R are are small time compared to Mr. Mateschitz (Speaking from experience, he's a nice bloke actually). RB Chester anyone? Just stepping into a parallel universe for a moment. That would be a game changer and an opportunity any non league club would dream of. But here back on planet Earth, I would settle for the N/L putting proper FFP rules in place. But there again that's probably as unlikely as a Global brand taking over a non league club.
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Feb 16, 2021 11:33:24 GMT
Double edged sword though is it not?. The fan ownership model we have is the reason we have a club to support, but it is also the reason we cannot progress and also the reason why 1000 have vanished off the gate over the last few years. We all sat at the first few CFU meetings when we reformed and the '5 year plan' and '7 year plan' were put forwards Both plans were the times it would take to get into the league. We have stagnated and gone backwards. I am not wanting to sell up or sell out but we will never get anyone interested in coming onboard if they keep reading ''yea we will have your money but you get nothing for it, because WE own OUR club'' We need some investment off somebody to get out of these piss poor leagues. Our crowds are just going to get lower and lower because it stinks of lack of ambition in the eyes of the fans we want to attract. I am sorry if some of you are bored reading that people want to move into better football. I often wonder if some on here would rather the club drift into the Evostick leagues than at least consider looking for investment You say that about our gates, but prior to the the lockdown last season, our attendances were only around 100 people down from five years prior and back then we were in the National League and with games against Tranmere and Wrexham. I'd argue our home gate holds up well against our League days too where our averages were around 2500. The season we got to the play off semis under Ratcliffe it was under 2300. Once you factor in that the average away following we currently get must be 100 tops. Crewe and Tranmere grew on the back of good League and Cup runs that were sustained over a couple of seasons late 80s early 90s getting them into the equivalent of the Championship. Both averaged lower than us in the early 80s before this. Success bred growth, which was nurtured. Under McNally in the mid-late 80s we were average 2600-3100 before our momentum was killed in exile at Macclesfield. We then get promoted under Barrow (average 3100), and all that goodwill goes as Morrissons cut the legs from under him and we get relegated under Pejic (average back down to 2400 and falling). We get promoted back to the FL in 2003/4 (ave 3100) and Vaughan did what he did... We've never followed success with success. If we'd have bounced up again under NY who knows? Crewe and Tranmere shouldn't be sticks for our fans to self-flagellate, they are really good examples of what can happen when a few years success coupled with strong community programmes dragging people to the ground, then using the money correctly to improve facilites etc and make the matchday experience better. This may happen down the A483 as with the £2m invested and the bubble in ST / shirt / merch sales they'll get they've a hell of a base to build off, but its spending the money correctly and ensuring that future growth is there. That balance between investment in infrastructure and the temptation to spend it all on the pitch. We got that wrong in 2013. £20k on the lounge aside we blew it all on players. A big mistake we are paying for today. I think if Wxm spend it all on players and a new management team it will burn brightly for a while and die down, but if spent right on the pitch with funds diverted into developing the fanbase, community trust, schools work, participation etc it could set them back on the road to that L1 mid table nirvana. There are few amongst our support who wouldn't have voted for it, so put the green eyes away and watch it unfurl. I will never watch Always Sunny again though.
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Post by eyeswideopen on Feb 16, 2021 11:47:18 GMT
Only if we retained 51% ownership and they changed their named to Blue Bull, then definitely. Are there any UK examples of this ownership ratio? Difficult to understand why any commercial organisation or indeed individual would want a 49% share. Stranger things have happened Imagine if a pair of mega rich actors decided to buy a football club who have languished in the same pub league for over ten years with no real assets, no real prospect of climbing more than a league or two and lies in a town that makes Basra look like Sandbanks. It couldn't happen...could it?
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Post by norwegianblue on Feb 16, 2021 23:22:47 GMT
Are there any UK examples of this ownership ratio? Difficult to understand why any commercial organisation or indeed individual would want a 49% share. Stranger things have happened Imagine if a pair of mega rich actors decided to buy a football club who have languished in the same pub league for over ten years with no real assets, no real prospect of climbing more than a league or two and lies in a town that makes Basra look like Sandbanks. It couldn't happen...could it? Tuesday evening saw RB Leipzig playing Liverpool in the Champions League after being in the German 5th tier, 11 years ago. Yes, all done with money to make even more money. It goes against all of my sporting ethics by the way but I can see that it could be tempting for some.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 11:48:31 GMT
Are there any UK examples of this ownership ratio? Difficult to understand why any commercial organisation or indeed individual would want a 49% share. Stranger things have happened Imagine if a pair of mega rich actors decided to buy a football club who have languished in the same pub league for over ten years with no real assets, no real prospect of climbing more than a league or two and lies in a town that makes Basra look like Sandbanks. It couldn't happen...could it? Really ? Two famous people buy a football club with history and a fan base way higher than many other clubs. They buy a club with the oldest international ground in the world .They buy a club with a 99 year fixed lease . The buy a club that is desparate to get out of this shit awful league but would never have done it under the previous self serving clique that managed the club. I may agree with your comment regarding small parts of our town centre but in the wider picture Wrexham is a great place to live and work as more and more people and companies are starting to realise.
Would the same happen to you ? cant see it but you never know .
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Post by combover on Feb 19, 2021 12:13:45 GMT
Stranger things have happened Imagine if a pair of mega rich actors decided to buy a football club who have languished in the same pub league for over ten years with no real assets, no real prospect of climbing more than a league or two and lies in a town that makes Basra look like Sandbanks. It couldn't happen...could it? Really ? Two famous people buy a football club with history and a fan base way higher than many other clubs. They buy a club with the oldest international ground in the world .They buy a club with a 99 year fixed lease . The buy a club that is desparate to get out of this shit awful league but would never have done it under the previous self serving clique that managed the club. I may agree with your comment regarding small parts of our town centre but in the wider picture Wrexham is a great place to live and work as more and more people and companies are starting to realise.
Would the same happen to you ? cant see it but you never know .
I think he's being ironic
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Post by eyeswideopen on Feb 19, 2021 14:42:32 GMT
Stranger things have happened Imagine if a pair of mega rich actors decided to buy a football club who have languished in the same pub league for over ten years with no real assets, no real prospect of climbing more than a league or two and lies in a town that makes Basra look like Sandbanks. It couldn't happen...could it? Really ? Two famous people buy a football club with history and a fan base way higher than many other clubs. They buy a club with the oldest international ground in the world .They buy a club with a 99 year fixed lease . The buy a club that is desparate to get out of this shit awful league but would never have done it under the previous self serving clique that managed the club. I may agree with your comment regarding small parts of our town centre but in the wider picture Wrexham is a great place to live and work as more and more people and companies are starting to realise.
Would the same happen to you ? cant see it but you never know .
Strange? As when we won it, it was a pub league you wouldn't have ever dropped into....
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