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Post by Malcolm Tucker on Oct 23, 2021 22:30:48 GMT
Itâs a results business. No good playing well all season if you finish bottom half. Didnât realise the whole season finished in October. No, but if you plan on getting promoted I donât think youâd plan on going into November in 16th place.
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Post by arthuro on Oct 23, 2021 22:34:36 GMT
Iâve tried to be positiveâŚ. Anything but 6 points from the next 2 and I feel theyâll be walking. The board have to make the decision as the two Cannabis oil gummy bear salesman arenât going to resign.
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Post by catfordbags on Oct 24, 2021 12:23:28 GMT
It does seem more of a âresultsâ thread rather than âperformanceâ thread. Itâs a results business. No good playing well all season if you finish bottom half. But changing management whilst on a poor run is a guaranteed route to success. Itâs the intellectual solution to the problem.
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Post by weareblues on Oct 24, 2021 14:22:20 GMT
Iâve tried to be positiveâŚ. Anything but 6 points from the next 2 and I feel theyâll be walking. The board have to make the decision as the two Cannabis oil gummy bear salesman arenât going to resign. What they promote in their own time has nothing to do with their roles at Chester
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Post by te on Oct 30, 2021 15:00:23 GMT
And we go again đ
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Post by cityboy5705 on Oct 30, 2021 16:59:02 GMT
Enough is enough sorry can't justify Mike and Bernie winters have to go now
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Post by vandycandy on Oct 30, 2021 17:06:33 GMT
They are clueless! Get the F**K out of our club! Nobody can justify them still being in a job. It's ridiculous & they will take us into the league below at this rate, oh hang on we played rather well against York I seem to remember in spells, it's ok let them keep their jobs.
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Post by Johnnybling on Oct 30, 2021 17:06:56 GMT
Have they gone yet?
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Post by Matt on Oct 30, 2021 17:23:07 GMT
Not sure where we go from here really, season is already over. The board have done a fantastic job with the finances, just hope they're prepared for sub 1,000 gates for the rest of the season if they don't take action.
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Post by boughtonblue on Oct 30, 2021 17:31:55 GMT
Not sure where we go from here really, season is already over. The board have done a fantastic job with the finances, just hope they're prepared for sub 1,000 gates for the rest of the season if they don't take action. Yup, it's not working out is it. Damned if we do and damned if we dont
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Post by Frank Owenâs Paintbrush on Oct 30, 2021 17:36:51 GMT
Was still in their camp after the final whistle but the post-match interview was concerning - listing the problems as if from a fans perspective, offering no solutions. Not good at all. Canât have them going through the motions now.
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Post by btb on Oct 30, 2021 17:46:07 GMT
Was still in their camp after the final whistle but the post-match interview was concerning - listing the problems as if from a fans perspective, offering no solutions. Not good at all. Canât have them going through the motions now. I'm not disagreeing with you but not a great deal he can say really. The budget is gone and has been wasted. Nobody wants our dross so we can free budget up. And we train part time. The only thing Jono can hope is that they pull enough Blyth and Gloucester results out the bag to keep us up. And even then he will lose his job when we don't renew their contracts!
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Post by boughtonblue on Oct 30, 2021 18:05:06 GMT
Was still in their camp after the final whistle but the post-match interview was concerning - listing the problems as if from a fans perspective, offering no solutions. Not good at all. Canât have them going through the motions now. I'm not disagreeing with you but not a great deal he can say really. The budget is gone and has been wasted. Nobody wants our dross so we can free budget up. And we train part time. The only thing Jono can hope is that they pull enough Blyth and Gloucester results out the bag to keep us up. And even then he will lose his job when we don't renew their contracts! I thought the post match interview was honest and professional however it does lead you to thinking what next? Either they back themselves, knuckle down and coach the team to improve or walk.
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Post by btb on Oct 30, 2021 18:43:17 GMT
I'm not disagreeing with you but not a great deal he can say really. The budget is gone and has been wasted. Nobody wants our dross so we can free budget up. And we train part time. The only thing Jono can hope is that they pull enough Blyth and Gloucester results out the bag to keep us up. And even then he will lose his job when we don't renew their contracts! I thought the post match interview was honest and professional however it does lead you to thinking what next? Either they back themselves, knuckle down and coach the team to improve or walk. Yes, I did also, but those have been few and far between this season. A number have been, quite frankly bizarre. And yes, agreed, I think that has to be their approach. In my opinion, this is their team, nobody else wants the vast majority of these players and I believe they are the only people who could get the best out of them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2021 18:51:13 GMT
Mad to think that I have been called a troll because I want these two out of the club. Please defend that!!
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Post by inthestand on Oct 30, 2021 19:17:18 GMT
Post match interviewâŚtheyâve come to impasse..no funds, means poor quality signingsâŚhe virtually said the the players arenât good enoughâŚso where from hereâŚ?
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Post by Malcolm Tucker on Oct 30, 2021 20:28:46 GMT
They claim to care about this club, if they truly do then they will resign. They canât take this club any further forwards.
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Post by Lobster on Oct 30, 2021 22:00:52 GMT
For me they've lost the plot, lost the supporters and seem to have lost confidence even in themselves.
However, it upsets me reading all this "grow a pair and sack them" stuff because it fails to acknowledge two things - firstly that this would come with a cost, and secondly that you have to consider what you hope to change by sacking them.
So let's say they're sacked tomorrow. What are the questions you need to ask? Here are some I can think of:
Q: Can a new manager get this team in the playoffs? A: I don't think so. The squad doesn't seem good enough and there's little room to improve it. If anything the players may perform worse as they seem very loyal to the managers.
Q: Are we in danger of relegation? A: I may regret saying this, but not for me. Yes we're bloody awful at times but it's an awful league. I think we'll pick up enough points at home to be comfortably safe. We've actually won our last three home games in the league. I would therefore say we shouldn't need "new manager syndrome" to keep us up.
Q: Will a new manager improve attendances? A: Not convinced. Depends on if they can get the team playing better, so ties in with the first point.
Q: Will it help us get a head start on next season? A: Possibly, but the danger is we appoint a new manager who inherits a poor squad, fails to get them playing well and there are question marks over whether he's the man to lead them next season. This is what happened with Bignot, in short.
Q: Will it "lift the place"? A: Maybe, but this is an abstract concept and not measurable. A new manager might have an immediate boost on fans' morale but this will only be sustained if it's followed up with good results and performances, so it goes back again to the risks discussed.
So what, really, are we achieving by sacking them? We'd be paying them off and employing a new managerial team just to swap one lower-midtable finish for another.
This is a dead season. I would let them see out their contracts and, unless there is a marked improvement in their results and attitude, replace them in the summer. You may disagree if you're more optimistic than me and think we could still make something of the season, or are more pessimistic and think we're in danger of relegation.
And they're not just going to walk away from their contracts, and nor should they. The Budget the other day made on pretty clear we're in for a grim few years. You'd be mad to walk out a job right now, no matter how badly it was going.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2021 22:22:03 GMT
For me they've lost the plot, lost the supporters and seem to have lost confidence even in themselves. However, it upsets me reading all this "grow a pair and sack them" stuff because it fails to acknowledge two things - firstly that this would come with a cost, and secondly that you have to consider what you hope to change by sacking them. So let's say they're sacked tomorrow. What are the questions you need to ask? Here are some I can think of: Q: Can a new manager get this team in the playoffs? A: I don't think so. The squad doesn't seem good enough and there's little room to improve it. If anything the players may perform worse as they seem very loyal to the managers. Q: Are we in danger of relegation? A: I may regret saying this, but not for me. Yes we're bloody awful at times but it's an awful league. I think we'll pick up enough points at home to be comfortably safe. We've actually won our last three home games in the league. I would therefore say we shouldn't need "new manager syndrome" to keep us up. Q: Will a new manager improve attendances? A: Not convinced. Depends on if they can get the team playing better, so ties in with the first point. Q: Will it help us get a head start on next season? A: Possibly, but the danger is we appoint a new manager who inherits a poor squad, fails to get them playing well and there are question marks over whether he's the man to lead them next season. This is what happened with Bignot, in short. Q: Will it "lift the place"? A: Maybe, but this is an abstract concept and not measurable. A new manager might have an immediate boost on fans' morale but this will only be sustained if it's followed up with good results and performances, so it goes back again to the risks discussed. So what, really, are we achieving by sacking them? We'd be paying them off and employing a new managerial team just to swap one lower-midtable finish for another. This is a dead season. I would let them see out their contracts and, unless there is a marked improvement in their results and attitude, replace them in the summer. You may disagree if you're more optimistic than me and think we could still make something of the season, or are more pessimistic and think we're in danger of relegation. And they're not just going to walk away from their contracts, and nor should they. The Budget the other day made on pretty clear we're in for a grim few years. You'd be mad to walk out a job right now, no matter how badly it was going. Lobster some really valid points there, which I do see your view on. Weâre in a predicament. My big concern are 2 things; I) this wedge and siege mentality between players and fans. This must be a narrative built up by the managers & staff. II) Attendances - if we keep them and fritter away in lower mid table then weâll be looking at attendances of 800-1,000 a game. I think any team can take a flyer at the play offs in this league so why not make the change now? Somehow if we can lift the club and the toxic atmosphere (it is letâs not lie) then perhaps weâll be in a good position for next season? I worry, genuinely, if attendances and performances dip more weâll be struggling for a club again to support soon.
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Oct 30, 2021 22:58:16 GMT
For me they've lost the plot, lost the supporters and seem to have lost confidence even in themselves. However, it upsets me reading all this "grow a pair and sack them" stuff because it fails to acknowledge two things - firstly that this would come with a cost, and secondly that you have to consider what you hope to change by sacking them. So let's say they're sacked tomorrow. What are the questions you need to ask? Here are some I can think of: Q: Can a new manager get this team in the playoffs? A: I don't think so. The squad doesn't seem good enough and there's little room to improve it. If anything the players may perform worse as they seem very loyal to the managers. Q: Are we in danger of relegation? A: I may regret saying this, but not for me. Yes we're bloody awful at times but it's an awful league. I think we'll pick up enough points at home to be comfortably safe. We've actually won our last three home games in the league. I would therefore say we shouldn't need "new manager syndrome" to keep us up. Q: Will a new manager improve attendances? A: Not convinced. Depends on if they can get the team playing better, so ties in with the first point. Q: Will it help us get a head start on next season? A: Possibly, but the danger is we appoint a new manager who inherits a poor squad, fails to get them playing well and there are question marks over whether he's the man to lead them next season. This is what happened with Bignot, in short. Q: Will it "lift the place"? A: Maybe, but this is an abstract concept and not measurable. A new manager might have an immediate boost on fans' morale but this will only be sustained if it's followed up with good results and performances, so it goes back again to the risks discussed. So what, really, are we achieving by sacking them? We'd be paying them off and employing a new managerial team just to swap one lower-midtable finish for another. This is a dead season. I would let them see out their contracts and, unless there is a marked improvement in their results and attitude, replace them in the summer. You may disagree if you're more optimistic than me and think we could still make something of the season, or are more pessimistic and think we're in danger of relegation. And they're not just going to walk away from their contracts, and nor should they. The Budget the other day made on pretty clear we're in for a grim few years. You'd be mad to walk out a job right now, no matter how badly it was going. Lobster some really valid points there, which I do see your view on. Weâre in a predicament. My big concern are 2 things; I) this wedge and siege mentality between players and fans. This must be a narrative built up by the managers & staff. II) Attendances - if we keep them and fritter away in lower mid table then weâll be looking at attendances of 800-1,000 a game. I think any team can take a flyer at the play offs in this league so why not make the change now? Somehow if we can lift the club and the toxic atmosphere (it is letâs not lie) then perhaps weâll be in a good position for next season? I worry, genuinely, if attendances and performances dip more weâll be struggling for a club again to support soon. As a fan owned club, if crowds did drop to the levels you mention then it will obviously impact upon what we can do next season and this is what people don't seem to understand. We can talk up our past achievements as a fan owned club but none of them came on the back of crowds around the 1,000 mark - or even the 1,400 mark which we're getting now. The more our crowds drop off, the longer it will take to get them back and the harder it will be to get out of this division. This league is even harder to get out of than it was when we last did so.
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Post by Lobster on Oct 31, 2021 13:36:23 GMT
For me they've lost the plot, lost the supporters and seem to have lost confidence even in themselves. However, it upsets me reading all this "grow a pair and sack them" stuff because it fails to acknowledge two things - firstly that this would come with a cost, and secondly that you have to consider what you hope to change by sacking them. So let's say they're sacked tomorrow. What are the questions you need to ask? Here are some I can think of: Q: Can a new manager get this team in the playoffs? A: I don't think so. The squad doesn't seem good enough and there's little room to improve it. If anything the players may perform worse as they seem very loyal to the managers. Q: Are we in danger of relegation? A: I may regret saying this, but not for me. Yes we're bloody awful at times but it's an awful league. I think we'll pick up enough points at home to be comfortably safe. We've actually won our last three home games in the league. I would therefore say we shouldn't need "new manager syndrome" to keep us up. Q: Will a new manager improve attendances? A: Not convinced. Depends on if they can get the team playing better, so ties in with the first point. Q: Will it help us get a head start on next season? A: Possibly, but the danger is we appoint a new manager who inherits a poor squad, fails to get them playing well and there are question marks over whether he's the man to lead them next season. This is what happened with Bignot, in short. Q: Will it "lift the place"? A: Maybe, but this is an abstract concept and not measurable. A new manager might have an immediate boost on fans' morale but this will only be sustained if it's followed up with good results and performances, so it goes back again to the risks discussed. So what, really, are we achieving by sacking them? We'd be paying them off and employing a new managerial team just to swap one lower-midtable finish for another. This is a dead season. I would let them see out their contracts and, unless there is a marked improvement in their results and attitude, replace them in the summer. You may disagree if you're more optimistic than me and think we could still make something of the season, or are more pessimistic and think we're in danger of relegation. And they're not just going to walk away from their contracts, and nor should they. The Budget the other day made on pretty clear we're in for a grim few years. You'd be mad to walk out a job right now, no matter how badly it was going. Lobster some really valid points there, which I do see your view on. Weâre in a predicament. My big concern are 2 things; I) this wedge and siege mentality between players and fans. This must be a narrative built up by the managers & staff. II) Attendances - if we keep them and fritter away in lower mid table then weâll be looking at attendances of 800-1,000 a game. I think any team can take a flyer at the play offs in this league so why not make the change now? Somehow if we can lift the club and the toxic atmosphere (it is letâs not lie) then perhaps weâll be in a good position for next season? I worry, genuinely, if attendances and performances dip more weâll be struggling for a club again to support soon. I share the concerns about the "wedge" and its something that needs to be addressed if they are to stay. It could be in our heads, but there have been too many gestures of late that suggest the players are blanking the fans. If it is deliberate it has to stop, it's a petulant strategy and isn't working anyway as they're playing like clowns. I'm pretty sure something about engaging with supporters is in their job description so someone needs to remind them of that. I get that some fans overstep the mark and it must be hurtful, but most of the criticism is fair. We don't enjoy slagging them off. If they can go on a run of form, put this behind them and get their bounce back, there's no problem as far as I'm concerned, but they need to grow up. One bloke Jonno was getting into a spat with on Twitter wasn't even a Chester fan - he was a Tranmere fan, and in his profile picture he had a plastic pint of lager in his hand and no top on! I mean, for God's sake, if you can't ignore him at least don't judge us all by his standards. But we have to be careful not to think sacking the managers will automatically improve the attendances. It only will if we start winning, so the appointment needs to be the right one, possibly someone a bit dour who can get a side organised and doing the basics right. Otherwise we're left in a Marcus Bignot situation where things get no better and we have doubts over whether we have the right man for next season.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2021 14:08:03 GMT
Lobster some really valid points there, which I do see your view on. Weâre in a predicament. My big concern are 2 things; I) this wedge and siege mentality between players and fans. This must be a narrative built up by the managers & staff. II) Attendances - if we keep them and fritter away in lower mid table then weâll be looking at attendances of 800-1,000 a game. I think any team can take a flyer at the play offs in this league so why not make the change now? Somehow if we can lift the club and the toxic atmosphere (it is letâs not lie) then perhaps weâll be in a good position for next season? I worry, genuinely, if attendances and performances dip more weâll be struggling for a club again to support soon. I share the concerns about the "wedge" and its something that needs to be addressed if they are to stay. It could be in our heads, but there have been too many gestures of late that suggest the players are blanking the fans. If it is deliberate it has to stop, it's a petulant strategy and isn't working anyway as they're playing like clowns. I'm pretty sure something about engaging with supporters is in their job description so someone needs to remind them of that. I get that some fans overstep the mark and it must be hurtful, but most of the criticism is fair. We don't enjoy slagging them off. If they can go on a run of form, put this behind them and get their bounce back, there's no problem as far as I'm concerned, but they need to grow up. One bloke Jonno was getting into a spat with on Twitter wasn't even a Chester fan - he was a Tranmere fan, and in his profile picture he had a plastic pint of lager in his hand and no top on! I mean, for God's sake, if you can't ignore him at least don't judge us all by his standards. But we have to be careful not to think sacking the managers will automatically improve the attendances. It only will if we start winning, so the appointment needs to be the right one, possibly someone a bit dour who can get a side organised and doing the basics right. Otherwise we're left in a Marcus Bignot situation where things get no better and we have doubts over whether we have the right man for next season. I agree with you that it will not improve the gates. Why should it if we bring a new manager in? The concern is a lack of interest from the players on the pitch, the duo wanting to get one over on the fans on Twitter or in their post match interview and the shocking tactics being used by them both!
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Post by superman on Oct 31, 2021 14:13:12 GMT
The problem I have with sacking them, although in principle I am not against this, is identifying who is available and who we could be confident would improve things, not just short term but medium to long term. The last thing we need is an appointment which divides opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2021 14:16:33 GMT
The problem I have with sacking them, although in principle I am not against this, is identifying who is available and who we could be confident would improve things, not just short term but medium to long term. The last thing we need is an appointment which divides opinion. I don't think it can get more divided with them here!
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Post by tarvinblue on Oct 31, 2021 14:45:25 GMT
The problem I have with sacking them, although in principle I am not against this, is identifying who is available and who we could be confident would improve things, not just short term but medium to long term. The last thing we need is an appointment which divides opinion. It's a very good point. The short term solution is to somehow find a way of sacking them (although it's clear we can't afford to) but whoever came in would have to work with this squad, a squad largely full of players with allegiances to the current managers. Any new manager would surely want some funds to improve the squad, again leaving us as an unattractive option as we cannot provide any. In my view, we are stuck with these two until the end of the season, where we will part our ways (as we will do with the majority of the squad) and someone new will be recruited then. What division we will be in and how we maintain any kind of interest to keep attendances up in the interim is a bigger concern. Some would say a relegation battle can often be useful for attendances come the business end of the season
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Post by cityboy5705 on Oct 31, 2021 14:51:58 GMT
I'm chucking a name out there but it won't go down well and I don't think we can afford him askey
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Post by Malcolm Tucker on Oct 31, 2021 14:59:05 GMT
The problem I have with sacking them, although in principle I am not against this, is identifying who is available and who we could be confident would improve things, not just short term but medium to long term. The last thing we need is an appointment which divides opinion. It's a very good point. The short term solution is to somehow find a way of sacking them (although it's clear we can't afford to) but whoever came in would have to work with this squad, a squad largely full of players with allegiances to the current managers. Any new manager would surely want some funds to improve the squad, again leaving us as an unattractive option as we cannot provide any. In my view, we are stuck with these two until the end of the season, where we will part our ways (as we will do with the majority of the squad) and someone new will be recruited then. What division we will be in and how we maintain any kind of interest to keep attendances up in the interim is a bigger concern. Some would say a relegation battle can often be useful for attendances come the business end of the season We are on a sound financial footing so can afford to sack them. Dwindling crowds will hit us financially, as proven in the past once weâve lost supporters they donât tend to come back. The time to get rid of this pair is now before they do any more damage.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2021 15:25:06 GMT
Have stuck by them, but enough is enough, been every away game this season so far including Marske, But no more, nothing getting any better, so not going to waste anymore of my hard earned cash on shite.
Time to Go!!!!
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Post by classycas on Oct 31, 2021 16:46:50 GMT
Have stuck by them, but enough is enough, been every away game this season so far including Marske, But no more, nothing getting any better, so not going to waste anymore of my hard earned cash on shite. Time to Go!!!! When I (wrongly) predicted a sub-1000 crowd for the Gloucester City fixture at The Deva, Moltisonti and Midfield General called me a Helmet (thanks for the constructive debate), but with more fans now refusing to watch the Blues I can see home attendances dipping significantly. However, itâs clear Chester FC canât afford to ditch B&J so whatâs the answer? Iâm afraid itâs got to be grin and bear it in the hope Chesterâs form and the matchday experience will improve.
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Post by Vitoâs best mate on Oct 31, 2021 16:51:54 GMT
I cannot comment on yesterday as I did not attend. However, once again the post match interview to me just screams defeated and just repeating sound bites like ânot good enoughâ. Jonno said they are going to âtry to ride it and see what it looks likeâ. Is that their plan to fix this mess, just see what happens? Again, Iâm going only off the managers quotes, but that does not leave us any more confident in their abilities to sort this out.
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