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Post by bluey7 on Nov 27, 2021 17:37:46 GMT
Callum Mc will not be able to attract the type of players that are needed right now at this club
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Nov 27, 2021 18:09:17 GMT
Callum Mc will not be able to attract the type of players that are needed right now at this club List a few players who we need? And the available manager who will bring them in on the budget that Johnson and Morley have left us? We need to look longer term than bringing in senior players on big money (like Horsfield and Stephenson) who just dont earn their corn (like Horsfield and Stephenson). A name manager like Burr or Bignot hasnt worked. Insanity is doing what you've always done and expecting different results, we should try something different. Calum would give us everything, would already have players identified, probably want to go full time at KGV etc, but to be honest I think he'd be fucking mental to take this bag of shite squad on. It could kill the excellent momentum his managerial career has picked up.
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Post by Harry Lime on Nov 27, 2021 18:14:00 GMT
Callum Mc will not be able to attract the type of players that are needed right now at this club Would he yet have an in-depth knowledge of the players at this level? I don't doubt he's a good coach. Every time I've watched his teams they look organised, disciplined and hard-working. He's also tactically aware and does his work in the opposition. Maybe he would make an ideal assistant to an experienced manager? Maybe he's learning more by being a manager at Runcorn?
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Nov 27, 2021 18:21:50 GMT
Callum Mc will not be able to attract the type of players that are needed right now at this club Would he yet have an in-depth knowledge of the players at this level? I don't doubt he's a good coach. Every time I've watched his teams they look organised, disciplined and hard-working. He's also tactically aware and does his work in the opposition. Maybe he would make an ideal assistant to an experienced manager? Maybe he's learning more by being a manager at Runcorn? It's not rocket science though is it? It's hard work. You get out there and watch them. You request video from games. That's how you scout players and opposition. Not from the contacts list in your phone. For all the plaudits, B&J were on a LARGE salary for what was a couple of nights and a day a week. Did they put the real hard yards in when signing what they did over the summer? The results dont show that? For me it's not about what or who they know, it's about how they are going to apply themselves to the role and develop our first team squad into one that will carry us upwards. I am fairly sure the board will want full time next season with the KGV being available, and that would mean young, hungry players released from further up the pyramid. This is a market CMc has worked in with Runcorn. It fits for me, but probably only in the summer. This shower would see him sacked by March.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 27, 2021 18:30:48 GMT
It’s a good point. Curzon have done us over twice this season with two different managers I’ve never heard of before and a squad of nobodies and Chester rejects. It’s all about how you set up and organise to win a game of football, not how many star names you can cram onto the field. MOZZA will sort this shower out IMO. No messing around with this guy.  Attachments:

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Post by scott on Nov 27, 2021 18:42:57 GMT
It’s a good point. Curzon have done us over twice this season with two different managers I’ve never heard of before and a squad of nobodies and Chester rejects. It’s all about how you set up and organise to win a game of football, not how many star names you can cram onto the field. MOZZA will sort this shower out IMO. No messing around with this guy.  No doubt Neil Redfearn will apply again. Wasn't he close to getting it last time?
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Post by bluejon on Nov 27, 2021 18:53:41 GMT
Given the squad we've currently got, and the way they perform, any young manager with ambitions to mange higher up the pyramid would be a fool to come to us at this point in time. We can expect a journey man who will be prepared to take the stick and hope for a bag full of cash when it all goes wrong. Unless he could get a guarantee of imunity from the ###kheads and an 18 month contract Callum would be best to wait until the close season when he could build his own squad and start afresh next season.
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Post by superman on Nov 27, 2021 18:59:25 GMT
Callum Mac needs the job like a whole in the head. Yes he would get superb backing from virtually everyone and would give a short term lift in spirits, but for how long. People are turning their noses up at the perceived horrible bastards, same as they do to the horrible bastard players who always turn us over. Time we had some right horrible bastards of our own. Too much reliance on various Mr nice guys.
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Post by Harry Lime on Nov 27, 2021 19:04:15 GMT
Would he yet have an in-depth knowledge of the players at this level? I don't doubt he's a good coach. Every time I've watched his teams they look organised, disciplined and hard-working. He's also tactically aware and does his work in the opposition. Maybe he would make an ideal assistant to an experienced manager? Maybe he's learning more by being a manager at Runcorn? It's not rocket science though is it? It's hard work. You get out there and watch them. You request video from games. That's how you scout players and opposition. Not from the contacts list in your phone. For all the plaudits, B&J were on a LARGE salary for what was a couple of nights and a day a week. Did they put the real hard yards in when signing what they did over the summer? The results dont show that? For me it's not about what or who they know, it's about how they are going to apply themselves to the role and develop our first team squad into one that will carry us upwards. I am fairly sure the board will want full time next season with the KGV being available, and that would mean young, hungry players released from further up the pyramid. This is a market CMc has worked in with Runcorn. It fits for me, but probably only in the summer. This shower would see him sacked by March. I didn't mean you get everything from a list of contacts. Knowing who's out there by being part of the league last couple of seasons, or longer. Yes, you do your homework and background work. But thsts easier when you've already got a grounding. Starting from scratch leaves you open to signing those who impress 1 game in 4 or those who aren't mentally strong. If you've managed, coached or scouted against those players you've a list of players you like already. You'll also know players who've played with and against those players, who can give you valuable information. You build up knowledge of players and use that. It's 80% recruitment at this level.
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Post by Harry Lime on Nov 27, 2021 19:14:28 GMT
It’s a good point. Curzon have done us over twice this season with two different managers I’ve never heard of before and a squad of nobodies and Chester rejects. It’s all about how you set up and organise to win a game of football, not how many star names you can cram onto the field. MOZZA will sort this shower out IMO. No messing around with this guy.  It's probably not this lot we'd want sorting out, but the next lot. You'd hope whoever came in could put together a competitive team.
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Post by brianfelshaw on Nov 27, 2021 19:14:44 GMT
I wouldn’t be surprised if Cal Mac is given the job. He was at the game today, in sunglasses no less, maybe trying to keep a low profile lol.
I think we need to give it to someone everyone can get behind, no more negativity. There was always a group that never quite fancied B+J from the very outset and then there was a group that eventually felt like a change was needed, me included. Calum will know these lot, he’s have seen lots of them last season with Linnets season finishing well earlier than ours. He can’t really lose in my opinion
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Post by bluey7 on Nov 27, 2021 19:34:13 GMT
I was at the game today and Callum wanted to be noticed
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2021 22:20:08 GMT
I wouldn’t be surprised if Cal Mac is given the job. He was at the game today, in sunglasses no less, maybe trying to keep a low profile lol. I think we need to give it to someone everyone can get behind, no more negativity. There was always a group that never quite fancied B+J from the very outset and then there was a group that eventually felt like a change was needed, me included. Calum will know these lot, he’s have seen lots of them last season with Linnets season finishing well earlier than ours. He can’t really lose in my opinion is Callum just a sentimental wish though? We need someone who has links who can maybe call in a few flavours with loans and with links to higher level club's. CM is great at developing youth players and setting up youth teams to perform but I am not sure he is ready for this level yet. He would be better off at linnets for a season or two
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Post by trueblue2021 on Nov 27, 2021 22:36:17 GMT
Just give it to big Andy Morrison
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Post by spencerwhelanleftpeg on Nov 27, 2021 23:13:35 GMT
IMO The style of football doesn’t matter. As long as it gets us out of this league sooner rather than later Callum is a great guy and obviously loves our club. I don’t think now is the correct time for him however . Whoever takes over has got an awful lot in his plate that’s for sure with this current lot
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Nov 28, 2021 0:06:02 GMT
Callum Mc will not be able to attract the type of players that are needed right now at this club Would he yet have an in-depth knowledge of the players at this level? I don't doubt he's a good coach. Every time I've watched his teams they look organised, disciplined and hard-working. He's also tactically aware and does his work in the opposition. Maybe he would make an ideal assistant to an experienced manager? Maybe he's learning more by being a manager at Runcorn? There are loads of players playing, in the Northern Premier West, that could probably step up and play National League North. etc Neviett from Wareington Rylands, has just signed a contract extension with Tranmere. I would rather tske a chance on 2 or 3 of them
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Post by weareblues on Nov 28, 2021 0:43:47 GMT
Callum Mc will not be able to attract the type of players that are needed right now at this club Considering we’ve no money I don’t think any manager could attract players we need to get us out this mess Sad times it really is.
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Nov 28, 2021 8:36:18 GMT
I wouldn’t be surprised if Cal Mac is given the job. He was at the game today, in sunglasses no less, maybe trying to keep a low profile lol. I think we need to give it to someone everyone can get behind, no more negativity. There was always a group that never quite fancied B+J from the very outset and then there was a group that eventually felt like a change was needed, me included. Calum will know these lot, he’s have seen lots of them last season with Linnets season finishing well earlier than ours. He can’t really lose in my opinion is Callum just a sentimental wish though? We need someone who has links who can maybe call in a few flavours with loans and with links to higher level club's. CM is great at developing youth players and setting up youth teams to perform but I am not sure he is ready for this level yet. He would be better off at linnets for a season or two He has literally just loaned a player from Man United
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Post by uptonblue1 on Nov 28, 2021 8:46:13 GMT
Keith Curle recently departed Oldham, maybe he will come back on reduced terms and turn things around?👀
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Post by dc2cfc on Nov 28, 2021 8:50:21 GMT
I think Cal is the long term replacement we should go for, but the only issue at the moment is he under contract at Runcorn as are his staff he would want to bring with him,
Probably worth getting someone in until the end of season to sort us out and then have a fresh start in the summer and start again with the recruitment
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Post by RonD on Nov 28, 2021 8:53:50 GMT
If the board stick to the job requirements on the advert they posted it would rule out a lot of the names put up on here, eg Calum and Andy Morrison. Would love to know if Ian Sharps would give up a good job at Wolves Academy for a go at it?
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Post by durdy on Nov 28, 2021 9:16:35 GMT
What's the old Ginga Ninja Wrighty up to nowadays?
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Post by bluey7 on Nov 28, 2021 9:17:42 GMT
spot on RonD it makes sense
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Post by superman on Nov 28, 2021 9:21:34 GMT
If the board stick to the job requirements on the advert they posted it would rule out a lot of the names put up on here, eg Calum and Andy Morrison. Would love to know if Ian Sharps would give up a good job at Wolves Academy for a go at it? If they stick to the job requirements then I think that would also rule out Ian.
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Post by Lobster on Nov 28, 2021 9:40:29 GMT
Results come first obviously To what extent though? Watching us play like Alfreton every week, but winning. Does that build the crowd? Do people keep coming back? If we're winning I honestly don't think people will care what the football is like. Mark Wright certainly didn't win us the Conference with attractive football. Strangely though, while Billy Heath is usually the first name that springs to mind when thinking of hoofball, spoiling games and being well organised, he's one of the few managers Bern & Jonno regularly got the better of.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 10:01:27 GMT
spot on RonD it makes sense If we ended up with him again, I would not step foot in deva again until he was gone, So no way!!, Most Arrogant Person I Have ever met. For me Callum is the man for us, Chester through & through, people saying too young etc, Just remember We’ve tried so called older & more experienced managers many times, Mostly without Success.
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Post by Harry Lime on Nov 28, 2021 10:06:03 GMT
To what extent though? Watching us play like Alfreton every week, but winning. Does that build the crowd? Do people keep coming back? If we're winning I honestly don't think people will care what the football is like. Mark Wright certainly didn't win us the Conference with attractive football. Strangely though, while Billy Heath is usually the first name that springs to mind when thinking of hoofball, spoiling games and being well organised, he's one of the few managers Bern & Jonno regularly got the better of. True. However Mark Wright also had the money to bring in quality players like Clare and Twiss. That gave us an attractive edge to an otherwise functional team. Short term I agree people won't care how we play. Once results improve they then want to watch enjoyable football. That's why crowds turn against Pulis, Alladyce etc quickly. I don't mean we shoyld play the tippy tappy stuff. I mean a high tempo style where we look to get the ball into the area. Proper lower league fast aggressive style. We've an excellent pitch, thanks to Mike, we should be able to play decent football on it.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Nov 28, 2021 10:36:40 GMT
If you want experience then Gannon is probably the man. However, As for newer managers Carden ( now Telford) has done well. The sacked Buxton duo ( Haywood and Ward) play good football as Calum and Dave McNeil at Rylands do. Those two will both manage teams at a higher level
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Post by Royal Blue on Nov 28, 2021 10:40:02 GMT
I don't think Callum should manage us. Not because he doesn't have the ability but because it is his home club. He'd be on a hiding to nothing and could spoil his relationship with the club if things went wrong (as they eventually do with almost all managers). Things can easily go sour for a manger for a variety of reasons and some of our fans would turn on him as they would with anyone. I think he's going to have a great career in management and can do that without taking on our job. How many of our managers go on to bigger and better things after being here?
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Post by cityboy5705 on Nov 28, 2021 11:09:36 GMT
If it is Gannon our club is finished will only do aways if he sets foot at the Deva the man is bad news
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