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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2023 18:03:06 GMT
I don’t recall an English passport either? This forum shows the political numpties who likely voted to leave the EU - misinformed, slightly right wing and lacking the intelligence to debate. Wales had a larger population that any of the Baltics, Slovenia and a few others in the EU and NATO even. GDP wise the income would be heavily based on tourism (tax is coming in on this which is in line with other countries), natural resources and industry, especially in Flintshire / Deeside. I agree the people leading Labour Wales at the moment aren’t the best to take it forward to independence but with the Union an archaic notion, the quicker it’s broken up the better. The arrogance of a leftist. Scratch socialist, find a Nationalist. Anyone who voted against something you disagree with is wrong; you're a bigger cunt that that faux socialist FOP Highlight when I stated ‘intelligence to debate’ and then your most recent response resorting to calling me a bigger cunt than Frank. You’re definitely part of the ‘let’s take back our borders brigade’ Hope I’ll see you with Farage in his dinghy. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jul 16, 2023 18:36:45 GMT
Classic case of no argument to make so resorts to vile abuse.
Quite happy to have a grown-up debate about it, and indeed two of us have put grown-up points across in relation to the subject only to be met with abusive name-calling. As you said, some seem to lack the intelligence to debate.
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Post by devamug72 on Jul 16, 2023 19:19:22 GMT
The arrogance of a leftist. Scratch socialist, find a Nationalist. Anyone who voted against something you disagree with is wrong; you're a bigger cunt that that faux socialist FOP Highlight when I stated ‘intelligence to debate’ and then your most recent response resorting to calling me a bigger cunt than Frank. You’re definitely part of the ‘let’s take back our borders brigade’ Hope I’ll see you with Farage in his dinghy. You were quick to denigrate everyone who voted for Brexit as right wing to fit your rather myopic ersatz socialist worldview but I've become quite numb to the your ilks shit. Feel free to speak to me in person ne t time you're at the Deva. Message me and I'll.gladly give you my seat number. |
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Post by Lobster on Jul 16, 2023 19:24:27 GMT
I suppose the logical conclusion of this thread was that eventually all the Goats would disappear and leave us to argue amongst ourselves.
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Post by devamug72 on Jul 16, 2023 19:27:48 GMT
Classic case of no argument to make so resorts to vile abuse. Quite happy to have a grown-up debate about it, and indeed two of us have put grown-up points across in relation to the subject only to be met with abusive name-calling. As you said, some seem to lack the intelligence to debate. Who was trying to make an argument with you? Every time you're called out on anything you pull ou the victim card so why would anyone bother? I feel for you, I really do; every time I drive through Sychdyn, and see the austere 50s-Stalist landscape, I feel for you and pray that your wish to foment a socialist uprising is successful. Power to the people. Freedom for Peckham/Sychdyn. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Jul 16, 2023 19:36:58 GMT
Classic case of no argument to make so resorts to vile abuse. Quite happy to have a grown-up debate about it, and indeed two of us have put grown-up points across in relation to the subject only to be met with abusive name-calling. As you said, some seem to lack the intelligence to debate. Who was trying to make an argument with you? Every time you're called out on anything you pull ou the victim card so why would anyone bother? I feel for you, I really do; every time I drive through Sychdyn, and see the austere 50s-Stalist landscape, I feel for you and pray that your wish to foment a socialist uprising is successful. Power to the people. Freedom for Peckham/Sychdyn. Absolute gibberish. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jul 17, 2023 7:31:44 GMT
Classic case of no argument to make so resorts to vile abuse. Quite happy to have a grown-up debate about it, and indeed two of us have put grown-up points across in relation to the subject only to be met with abusive name-calling. As you said, some seem to lack the intelligence to debate. Who was trying to make an argument with you? Every time you're called out on anything you pull ou the victim card so why would anyone bother? I feel for you, I really do; every time I drive through Sychdyn, and see the austere 50s-Stalist landscape, I feel for you and pray that your wish to foment a socialist uprising is successful. Power to the people. Freedom for Peckham/Sychdyn. ‘Argument’ as in ‘debate’ comrade, not as in ‘fight’. Two of us have put forward reasons in response to you not to dismiss the financial impact of any proposed independence manoeuvre, and rather than debating those factual points you instead launched into abusive name-calling which you have continued in the above reply. As I said, you’ve no argument to make. As for you point on Sychdyn, I think you’ve got the wrong place! |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jul 17, 2023 8:47:02 GMT
Yeah and run an economy on what? Renting static caravans to scousers and grievance mongering? Welsh independence 🤣😅🤣😅 FFS Wales is one of the biggest exporters of electricity in the world, for example. 60+ countries have gained independence from the U.K. over the years and none of them have desperately asked to return. Welsh taxpayers are giving billions to a proposed high speed rail network that comes nowhere near Wales at all, for example. Less money going to England means more money in our own country. The UK goverment is giving Wales £18billion a year I would imagine that equates to most of the revenue from Electricity which I assume Wales keeps at the moment and still there is no money left "David Deans BBC Wales political reporter Published 13 July 2023 There is no money to continue free school meals during the school holidays, First Minister Mark Drakeford has said. The Welsh government has ended a scheme, which started in the pandemic, that saw meals provided in the holidays. Mr Drakeford is under pressure from politicians in Welsh Labour to change his mind. The party's leader said cash that was available in the past "had ceased" and the government could not fund "extra" policies beyond what it already does." So where is the money going to come from the HMRC has estimated Welsh income tax revenue for 2020-21 as £2,110 million. This represents an increase of £69 million (3.4%) against the 2019-20 outturn. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jul 17, 2023 9:26:13 GMT
Wales doesn’t keep the revenues generated from being the fifth largest exporter in the entire world - Westminster does. Then Wales get fed the scraps.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jul 17, 2023 11:54:01 GMT
Wales doesn’t keep the revenues generated from being the fifth largest exporter in the entire world - Westminster does. Then Wales get fed the scraps. I wouldn't call £18billion scraps but anyway 1) what is the income generated from these exports? 2) would it cover the loss of this funding? 3) if not where is the extra money coming from? |
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Post by Lobster on Jul 17, 2023 12:10:02 GMT
Wales doesn’t keep the revenues generated from being the fifth largest exporter in the entire world - Westminster does. Then Wales get fed the scraps. I wouldn't call £18billion scraps but anyway 1) what is the income generated from these exports? 2) would it cover the loss of this funding? 3) if not where is the extra money coming from? £18billion sounds a big number, but with a population of 3 million it works out as about £6,000 per person. I'm no economist but I'm not sure that's very much if it's to fund everything? |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jul 17, 2023 12:17:34 GMT
I wouldn't call £18billion scraps but anyway 1) what is the income generated from these exports? 2) would it cover the loss of this funding? 3) if not where is the extra money coming from? £18billion sounds a big number, but with a population of 3 million it works out as about £6,000 per person. I'm no economist but I'm not sure that's very much if it's to fund everything? It may sound a big number but don't the Welsh government also raise taxes I'm just interested in where the devolutionists think the money coming from to fund an independent Wales |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jul 20, 2023 16:24:34 GMT
The same place money comes from for every country to exist 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jul 20, 2023 17:22:05 GMT
Well that's a well thought out answer to enhance the debate
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jul 20, 2023 17:23:28 GMT
It was a silly question. Where does money come from for each country in the entire world to exist?
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jul 20, 2023 17:47:09 GMT
Why is it a silly question I'm just curious as to how an independent Wales would fund itself surely the devolutionists have an economic plan
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jul 20, 2023 19:01:22 GMT
Of course there’s ah economic plan. The idea that Wales cannot afford independence is laughable. The “economy” of a country is not something in and of itself. Instead - any country can afford to be independent, as long as it makes appropriate choices. There are over 100 countries around the world smaller than Wales and of the top ten wealthiest countries in terms of GDP per capita, nine of them have a population of less than 5 million, and seven of those have a smaller population than Wales.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jul 20, 2023 19:38:58 GMT
The Top 10 Richest Countries in the World (by GDP per Capita, current US$ - United Nations)*
Rank Country/Territory GDP per Capita (US$)
1 Monaco 234,317
2 Liechtenstein 169,260
3 Luxembourg 133,175
4 Bermuda 112,653
5 Ireland 101,109
6 Switzerland 93,525
7 Norway 89,242
not a country Cayman Islands (UK territory) 85,250
8 United States 69,185
9 Iceland 69,133
10 Denmark 68,037
Interesting top 10 there please enlighten me as to what the eonomic plan for Wales is to match these mega rich countries
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jul 21, 2023 6:18:47 GMT
Any economic plan would be down to any ruling party of an independent Wales which is currently not in existence.
Having its own treasury would make a massive difference.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2023 11:33:51 GMT
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Post by wxmred on Jul 29, 2023 18:18:33 GMT
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jul 29, 2023 18:33:25 GMT
The overhyped friendly with man u went well though cost a fortune to put on and I assume your all happy with the win against a youth ish team. Was it worth losing your best player for |
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Post by Curva Nord on Jul 29, 2023 19:56:03 GMT
Injuries can happen to any one at any time, tbf Mullen is going to get the best medical treatment available. Which alot of clubs can't or won't provide
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Post by stonemaster on Aug 5, 2023 5:32:57 GMT
Match made in heaven,odious club and even worse individual
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Post by Firestick Frank on Aug 5, 2023 5:45:01 GMT
What’s wrong with McLean? Apart from the fact he’s gone there for the cash.
You’re a poppy Nazi aren’t you? I always supported his stance on all that - freedom of choice that was fought for, and what the symbolism of the British Empire means to those in the Irish Republic (14 innocent civilians murdered by the British army in Derry). However, he’s one of them Goat bastards for me now.
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Post by stonemaster on Aug 5, 2023 6:27:41 GMT
What’s a poppy nazi?
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Post by Firestick Frank on Aug 5, 2023 6:32:06 GMT
Just wondering why you think he’s a “worse individual” that’s all.
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Post by agl on Aug 5, 2023 6:37:22 GMT
Have a day off guys. It's the first day of the season FFS.
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Post by welshrover on Aug 5, 2023 6:50:21 GMT
On a footballing note an ex Chester fan who still lives locally but a few years back decided he would start going to watch Wigan* tells me he was their best player last season.
* His reasoning at the time was a season ticket to watch Wigan in the Premier League was cheaper than a season ticket to watch us in the National League.
Leaving aside people's personal opinions on McLean, I think from a footballing perspective it is a good signing for them, the sort of player you would prefer to have playing for you than against you.
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Post by proudblue on Aug 5, 2023 7:53:43 GMT
Don’t doubt he can still make an impact, but paying a reported six-figure transfer fee plus presumably hefty wages on a player in his mid-30s who could potentially leave for nothing next summer sums up the position they are now in financially. A true underdog story…
Anyway, the important stuff starts today for us at Bishop’s Stortford.
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