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Post by Lobster on Jun 24, 2024 6:03:31 GMT
Looked a penalty to me. Stuart Armstrong was clever in getting his body in front of the defender and he was clearly caught. Imagine the outcry if a ref from Argentina doesn't give that to England. Having said that Scotland didn't deserve to go through over the three games. Zero attacking threat. Arguably they were too passive last night but Clarke must know that if they'd gone behind there was little chance of scoring 2 to win. Understandably he was cautious until the last 20 minutes. They've got to find a goal scorer or it will continue to be a struggle. Armstrong had his hand on the defender's chest first though.
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Post by agl on Jun 24, 2024 6:12:34 GMT
Looked a penalty to me. Stuart Armstrong was clever in getting his body in front of the defender and he was clearly caught. Imagine the outcry if a ref from Argentina doesn't give that to England. Having said that Scotland didn't deserve to go through over the three games. Zero attacking threat. Arguably they were too passive last night but Clarke must know that if they'd gone behind there was little chance of scoring 2 to win. Understandably he was cautious until the last 20 minutes. They've got to find a goal scorer or it will continue to be a struggle. Armstrong had his hand on the defender's chest first though. Possibly, but no foul was given to Hungary so I don't think that's really an issue. I thought the only reason for not giving could have been that Armstrong left his leg trailing, looking for contact. The former referee on ITV has been excellent...would have been interesting to get her take.
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Post by tooth on Jun 24, 2024 6:38:06 GMT
Just read a stat that Scotland had 17 shots across the 3 games 4 on target 2 own goals shows no ambition I'm afraid
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Post by Rimmer on Jun 24, 2024 7:29:45 GMT
38 years of those sad bastards wearing Argentina shirts, banging on endlessly about Maradonna and it’s an Argie ref who stiffs them for a stonewall penalty. Absolute theatre 😂😂😂
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Post by The Angry Agenda on Jun 24, 2024 7:31:57 GMT
Belgium's win tonight has given Group E an interesting look where all four teams go into the last game on three points. In effect they've all beaten each other. With my anorak on, the only other time I can remember that happening in a tournament was Ireland's group in the 1994 World Cup. On that occasion the final games were a draw leaving all four teams on four points with a goal difference of zero. John Aldridge's late consolation against Mexico, having nearly not been allowed on the pitch due to some meddling jobsworths hanging around the technical areas, proved to be reason why Ireland finishes second instead of last. So there's now a remote chance if the last two games are drawn in Group E we could have a team eliminated on 4 Points in last place, and if results go a certain way elsewhere a team could actually be going through in 3rd place on just 2. I'm not sure I like the new format for the champions league for the upcoming season where all group standings have been abolished and it'll go on just one big league, but at least it eliminates the kind of scenario I have spoken about above, and the teams going through to the next round are those with the most amount of points, which I'm in favour of.
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Post by Rimmer on Jun 24, 2024 7:33:16 GMT
38 years of those sad bastards wearing Argentina shirts, banging on endlessly about Maradonna and it’s an Argie ref who stiffs them for a stonewall penalty. Absolute theatre 😂😂😂
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Post by waggoner on Jun 24, 2024 8:17:58 GMT
Looked a penalty to me. Stuart Armstrong was clever in getting his body in front of the defender and he was clearly caught. Imagine the outcry if a ref from Argentina doesn't give that to England. Having said that Scotland didn't deserve to go through over the three games. Zero attacking threat. Arguably they were too passive last night but Clarke must know that if they'd gone behind there was little chance of scoring 2 to win. Understandably he was cautious until the last 20 minutes. They've got to find a goal scorer or it will continue to be a struggle. Not for me. Armstrong was clear on goal then almost stops and dangles his leg out looking for it. He could have got a shot away but chose to look for a penalty instead.
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Post by agl on Jun 24, 2024 15:29:17 GMT
Just read a stat that Scotland had 17 shots across the 3 games 4 on target 2 own goals shows no ambition I'm afraid That's a bit harsh. They play to their strengths, which is keeping games tight. If they go gung ho they will get destroyed. Given the limited talent pool the achievement was just getting there. Che Adams isn't even a good Championship striker.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 24, 2024 18:36:36 GMT
Just read a stat that Scotland had 17 shots across the 3 games 4 on target 2 own goals shows no ambition I'm afraid That's a bit harsh. They play to their strengths, which is keeping games tight. If they go gung ho they will get destroyed. Given the limited talent pool the achievement was just getting there. Che Adams isn't even a good Championship striker. One thing I'd say in their defence is while it's easy to say they had nothing to lose and should've just gone for it, the same was true for Hungary, and that seemed to cancel the two teams out and result in a cagey game. It was always likely there would be a late winner with both teams realising they needed for score or they would be out, and with Scotland being a bit powder puff up front it was always more likely it would come from Hungary.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 24, 2024 18:52:46 GMT
Albania have been one of my favourite teams so I'm going to watch them v Spain instead of boring Italy. No doubt I'll regret it.
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Post by vandycandy on Jun 24, 2024 20:16:49 GMT
Croatia lead the boring Italians. Brilliant stuff.
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Post by tooth on Jun 24, 2024 21:01:51 GMT
Football never ceases to amaze me
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Post by tooth on Jun 24, 2024 21:04:16 GMT
Just read a stat that Scotland had 17 shots across the 3 games 4 on target 2 own goals shows no ambition I'm afraid That's a bit harsh. They play to their strengths, which is keeping games tight. If they go gung ho they will get destroyed. Given the limited talent pool the achievement was just getting there. Che Adams isn't even a good Championship striker. maybe but they have the top scorer in the jock league on the bench then they shove him on the wing
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Post by welshrover on Jun 24, 2024 21:05:40 GMT
Football never ceases to amaze me Cruel game.
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Post by theshed1 on Jun 24, 2024 21:13:44 GMT
Croatia you only have yourselves to blame why try to piss about with a 1 goal lead chances to put the game to bed but no we'll just try to keep possession 1 goal is never enough
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Post by vandycandy on Jun 24, 2024 21:15:51 GMT
Undeserved draw for Italy I thought. Very poor side in my opinion, negative park the bus team with no real outlet up front which is probably why they play the way they do. Hope whoever they play in the last 16 gives them a good hiding.
Cracking finish from Zaccagni mind.
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Post by welshrover on Jun 24, 2024 21:31:11 GMT
Croatia you only have yourselves to blame why try to piss about with a 1 goal lead chances to put the game to bed but no we'll just try to keep possession 1 goal is never enough Probably a shed load of international retirements shortly from that team. Punched well above their weight for a comparatively small population.
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Post by hackett on Jun 24, 2024 22:03:10 GMT
Undeserved draw for Italy I thought. Very poor side in my opinion, negative park the bus team with no real outlet up front which is probably why they play the way they do. Hope whoever they play in the last 16 gives them a good hiding. Cracking finish from Zaccagni mind. Verratti (Arguably their best midfielder in the last ten years) & Locatelli sitting at home while Barella tries to operate the midfield on his ones is enough to know about the Italy team, lucky to progress, soon be out.
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Post by vandycandy on Jun 24, 2024 22:08:08 GMT
Undeserved draw for Italy I thought. Very poor side in my opinion, negative park the bus team with no real outlet up front which is probably why they play the way they do. Hope whoever they play in the last 16 gives them a good hiding. Cracking finish from Zaccagni mind. Verratti (Arguably their best midfielder in the last ten years) & Locatelli sitting at home while Barella tries to operate the midfield on his ones is enough to know about the Italy team, lucky to progress, soon be out. Hope you're right, they're dreadful. Especially when you think of some of the great Italian sides over the years.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 25, 2024 6:47:35 GMT
It would be just like Italy to grind their way to the final having been lucky to get out of their group.
The results yesterday mean England are definitely through as one of the best third-placed teams, although that would be a dismal outcome. Need to avoid finishing second and facing Germany. Trying to work out the permutations but I think winning the group would see England play the third-placed team in Group E, which is the one where everyone has three points.
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Post by weareblues on Jun 25, 2024 6:52:09 GMT
Southgate rumoured to be playing Gallagher over TAA Tonight Says everything need to know that he’s giving Gallagher game time over Wharton or Mainoo
Absolutely clueless can’t wait for him to leave after this tournament should’ve walked after World Cup last year
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Post by bing on Jun 25, 2024 7:36:35 GMT
Southgate rumoured to be playing Gallagher over TAA Tonight Says everything need to know that he’s giving Gallagher game time over Wharton or Mainoo Absolutely clueless can’t wait for him to leave after this tournament should’ve walked after World Cup last year I don't get it. He said that thing about us not properly replacing Kalvin Phillips, so why not put in the player most similar to the way he plays?!
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Post by Curva Nord on Jun 25, 2024 8:31:28 GMT
It would be just like Italy to grind their way to the final having been lucky to get out of their group. The results yesterday mean England are definitely through as one of the best third-placed teams, although that would be a dismal outcome. Need to avoid finishing second and facing Germany. Trying to work out the permutations but I think winning the group would see England play the third-placed team in Group E, which is the one where everyone has three points. Got to do what you've got to do to win, play to your strengths, if that's grinding out 1-0s then fair play to you. Upto the other team to break you down. Just like Chester. We couldn't break down sides this year.
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Post by glosblue on Jun 25, 2024 9:17:55 GMT
Southgate rumoured to be playing Gallagher over TAA Tonight Says everything need to know that he’s giving Gallagher game time over Wharton or Mainoo Absolutely clueless can’t wait for him to leave after this tournament should’ve walked after World Cup last year Wharton has played something like 13 games in the Premier League. Mainoo has only broken into a poor United team this year. At the start of the season they were both playing for England under 19s. Gallagher is Chelsea's player of the season; their fans love him. He isn't absolutely top class, but he works his socks off, is defensively sound, and his creative stats last season were right up there. As a like for like replacement to Phillips he's the obvious option, and will be better than anything the opposition have on the pitch tonight. There's another completely different argument about what the best formation to play is, but for this particular positional choice it's ludicrous to suggest Southgate is 'clueless'.
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Post by weareblues on Jun 25, 2024 9:30:03 GMT
Southgate rumoured to be playing Gallagher over TAA Tonight Says everything need to know that he’s giving Gallagher game time over Wharton or Mainoo Absolutely clueless can’t wait for him to leave after this tournament should’ve walked after World Cup last year Wharton has played something like 13 games in the Premier League. Mainoo has only broken into a poor United team this year. At the start of the season they were both playing for England under 19s. Gallagher is Chelsea's player of the season; their fans love him. He isn't absolutely top class, but he works his socks off, is defensively sound, and his creative stats last season were right up there. As a like for like replacement to Phillips he's the obvious option, and will be better than anything the opposition have on the pitch tonight. There's another completely different argument about what the best formation to play is, but for this particular positional choice it's ludicrous to suggest Southgate is 'clueless'. Have a day off it’s Southgate’s constant negative tactics & Repetitive team selections that’ve cost us He’s probably got the best England team in 15-20 years and still he hasn’t a clue who to play other than his favourites. Throwing TAA into the deep end in a position he’s not really played often for England when we’ve got players that have played that role and been fantastic all season missing out…
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Post by Moltisanti on Jun 25, 2024 9:34:49 GMT
Southgate rumoured to be playing Gallagher over TAA Tonight Says everything need to know that he’s giving Gallagher game time over Wharton or Mainoo Absolutely clueless can’t wait for him to leave after this tournament should’ve walked after World Cup last year Wharton has played something like 13 games in the Premier League. Mainoo has only broken into a poor United team this year. At the start of the season they were both playing for England under 19s. Gallagher is Chelsea's player of the season; their fans love him. He isn't absolutely top class, but he works his socks off, is defensively sound, and his creative stats last season were right up there. As a like for like replacement to Phillips he's the obvious option, and will be better than anything the opposition have on the pitch tonight. There's another completely different argument about what the best formation to play is, but for this particular positional choice it's ludicrous to suggest Southgate is 'clueless'. spot on. Good player Gallagher
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Post by Lobster on Jun 25, 2024 10:04:12 GMT
Wharton has played something like 13 games in the Premier League. Mainoo has only broken into a poor United team this year. At the start of the season they were both playing for England under 19s. Gallagher is Chelsea's player of the season; their fans love him. He isn't absolutely top class, but he works his socks off, is defensively sound, and his creative stats last season were right up there. As a like for like replacement to Phillips he's the obvious option, and will be better than anything the opposition have on the pitch tonight. There's another completely different argument about what the best formation to play is, but for this particular positional choice it's ludicrous to suggest Southgate is 'clueless'. Have a day off it’s Southgate’s constant negative tactics & Repetitive team selections that’ve cost us He’s probably got the best England team in 15-20 years and still he hasn’t a clue who to play other than his favourites.Throwing TAA into the deep end in a position he’s not really played often for England when we’ve got players that have played that role and been fantastic all season missing out… Better than the 2004 - 2010 team? Rooney, Owen, Beckham, Gerrard, Lampard, Cole, Ferdinand, Terry, Neville? Can't agree that there's anything like as much individual talent in the current team as in that one, and yet this team has performed better. I am starting to think this is one tournament too many for Southgate though. I think he could've left after the last one and been seen as playing an important role in making England into a team that can reach finals and semis. He dithered too long before committing himself after the last World Cup, which isn't a good sign, and I think he's started to sound a bit confused in interviews for the first time.
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Post by Harry Lime on Jun 25, 2024 10:17:12 GMT
Gallagher gives the team much missing energy. He is guaranteed to put a shift in and harass the opposition.
There aren't many options. Wharton and Mainoo have looked really good in the last few months,but they are not players who will aggressively tackle and close down. They are better on the ball than Gallagher, but we've other players who do that.
It's a sign of the modern game that people want you to play 5 creative attacking players and 2 full backs who will also bomb on, but then moan when we can't stop the opposition playing. Just playing more attacking players often doesn't mean you attack more.
For those interested Bet365 were offering 6/1 on Gallagher getting a card early today. Looks a bargain to me.
Southgate is too cautious a manager. We should have won Euro20,but went into our shell and ending up losing. As a rule if you're better than the opponent you should attack, and if you're weaker then the opponent you should be cautious. Steve Clarke has no real alternative but to play the way Scotland do, but Southgate has plenty of options.
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Post by vandycandy on Jun 25, 2024 10:32:04 GMT
Has Southgate commented if he is leaving his position after the Euros have finished or if he is staying in charge for the next World Cup?
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Post by Curva Nord on Jun 25, 2024 11:33:33 GMT
We've got 4 points in the group stage, and played two games. We'll comfortably get put of this group and I'll judge him how we finish the tournament. Those classing him as clueless are deluded.
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