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Post by Al on Aug 16, 2024 21:29:19 GMT
Pretty sure he won't win another election, which is frightening when you look at the opposition. I get that you don’t like him, but as things stand I’d be surprised if he didn’t get to serve a second term as PM given the majority they’ve got, the ball being in their court about when to call the next election and the current state the Tories are in. Could all change of course and remains to be seen how strong a position Reform are in come the next election in terms of taking seats off Labour. To be fair the reason for the labour landslide wasn't anything to do with voters flocking to Labour in their droves, it was the complete collapse of the tory vote, with their hardcore moving to Farage and his gang. When you look at the total numbers of voters Labour actually had around the same total number of votes as they had during the last election when they got trounced! |
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Post by Lobster on Aug 22, 2024 2:18:01 GMT
I get that you don’t like him, but as things stand I’d be surprised if he didn’t get to serve a second term as PM given the majority they’ve got, the ball being in their court about when to call the next election and the current state the Tories are in. Could all change of course and remains to be seen how strong a position Reform are in come the next election in terms of taking seats off Labour. To be fair the reason for the labour landslide wasn't anything to do with voters flocking to Labour in their droves, it was the complete collapse of the tory vote, with their hardcore moving to Farage and his gang. When you look at the total numbers of voters Labour actually had around the same total number of votes as they had during the last election when they got trounced!
It was kind of a combination of a cleverly orchestrated and targeted Labour campaign, the Tories tearing themselves apart and the fall of the SNP in Scotland.
I also think the Tories' demise was more down to their general behaviour than their policies. The idea that they lost by being "too woke" is ludicrous. They were brutally right wing from day 1, from the Cameron/Osborne austerity policies, to the stubborn and pyrrhic execution of Brexit, to the ridiculous Rwanda scheme, and I think a sizeable portion of the electorate supported all this, but in the end both the left and the right just realised the Tories are a bunch of twats.
Starmer is at best a short-term fix I think. The turnout suggests there's no real love for him or his party right now, and bland centrists don't tend to last long, e.g. Macron and Biden. France's near miss with the far-right should be a warning to us. The threat of a Tory/Reform coalition is very much there in five years' time.
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Post by southernseal on Aug 22, 2024 6:03:44 GMT
To be fair the reason for the labour landslide wasn't anything to do with voters flocking to Labour in their droves, it was the complete collapse of the tory vote, with their hardcore moving to Farage and his gang. When you look at the total numbers of voters Labour actually had around the same total number of votes as they had during the last election when they got trounced!
It was kind of a combination of a cleverly orchestrated and targeted Labour campaign, the Tories tearing themselves apart and the fall of the SNP in Scotland.
I also think the Tories' demise was more down to their general behaviour than their policies. The idea that they lost by being "too woke" is ludicrous. They were brutally right wing from day 1, from the Cameron/Osborne austerity policies, to the stubborn and pyrrhic execution of Brexit, to the ridiculous Rwanda scheme, and I think a sizeable portion of the electorate supported all this, but in the end both the left and the right just realised the Tories are a bunch of twats.
Starmer is at best a short-term fix I think. The turnout suggests there's no real love for him or his party right now, and bland centrists don't tend to last long, e.g. Macron and Biden. France's near miss with the far-right should be a warning to us. The threat of a Tory/Reform coalition is very much there in five years' time.
What is “brutally right wing” about raising the tax burden to its highest since WW2? |
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Post by weareblues on Aug 24, 2024 21:47:42 GMT
If there’s one thing Starmer and the government need to do is address the knife crime problem this country has. People are getting stabbed and killed daily and yet they still remain silent on what they’re going to do to try stop this crisis.
Some the story’s seen the last few weeks and yet we’re releasing violent criminals aswell probably ain’t a great idea from Kier and Co.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Aug 25, 2024 6:24:59 GMT
I get that you don’t like him, but as things stand I’d be surprised if he didn’t get to serve a second term as PM given the majority they’ve got, the ball being in their court about when to call the next election and the current state the Tories are in. Could all change of course and remains to be seen how strong a position Reform are in come the next election in terms of taking seats off Labour. To be fair the reason for the labour landslide wasn't anything to do with voters flocking to Labour in their droves, it was the complete collapse of the tory vote, with their hardcore moving to Farage and his gang. When you look at the total numbers of voters Labour actually had around the same total number of votes as they had during the last election when they got trounced! This last election was the clearest indication yet for Proportional Representation. Yes you can argue the far right would’ve got tons of more seats under that method but, frustrating as that is, it’s still a better democracy. |
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Post by welshrover on Aug 26, 2024 21:18:13 GMT
To be fair the reason for the labour landslide wasn't anything to do with voters flocking to Labour in their droves, it was the complete collapse of the tory vote, with their hardcore moving to Farage and his gang. When you look at the total numbers of voters Labour actually had around the same total number of votes as they had during the last election when they got trounced! This last election was the clearest indication yet for Proportional Representation. Yes you can argue the far right would’ve got tons of more seats under that method but, frustrating as that is, it’s still a better democracy. Must admit have never given PR a great deal of thought until this election but it does seem a fairer system. |
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Post by Lobster on Sept 2, 2024 15:46:52 GMT
Nadine Dorries getting mad at Angela Rayner for having a bit of a dance in her spare time is hilarious. This is the same woman who defended Tories having parties at a time when it was actually illegal to have them, right?
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Post by TheatreOfHate on Sept 2, 2024 16:50:02 GMT
Socialist and voted Labour all my life, but this Starmer Club is nothing like Labour.
He is a Conservative in a red tie, Labour died the moment he took charge.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Sept 2, 2024 17:52:56 GMT
Spot on
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Post by welshrover on Sept 2, 2024 20:33:45 GMT
They have got their priorities right though, 500 immigrants arriving daily, freezing pensioners to death, removing the right of UK citizens to be first for a council house, undoing the Conservative upping of the care home threshold now cutting discounted rail cards for pensioners and others but they are concentrating on the important things like launching an investigation into the price of Oasis tickets, you couldn't make it up.
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Post by Lobster on Sept 2, 2024 20:49:41 GMT
They have got their priorities right though, 500 immigrants arriving daily, freezing pensioners to death, removing the right of UK citizens to be first for a council house, undoing the Conservative upping of the care home threshold now cutting discounted rail cards for pensioners and others but they are concentrating on the important things like launching an investigation into the price of Oasis tickets, you couldn't make it up. You could argue 14 million people tried to get tickets. Plus ticket rip-offs have been a problem for years and it's about time something was done about it. Sajid Javid even said when he was Culture Secretary that he thought ticket touts were great entrepreneurs. |
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Post by welshrover on Sept 2, 2024 20:56:30 GMT
They have got their priorities right though, 500 immigrants arriving daily, freezing pensioners to death, removing the right of UK citizens to be first for a council house, undoing the Conservative upping of the care home threshold now cutting discounted rail cards for pensioners and others but they are concentrating on the important things like launching an investigation into the price of Oasis tickets, you couldn't make it up. You could argue 14 million people tried to get tickets. Plus ticket rip-offs have been a problem for years and it's about time something was done about it. Sajid Javid even said when he was Culture Secretary that he thought ticket touts were great entrepreneurs. I respect your political viewpoint but it's not a priority is it? You can bet your life there will be politicians (of all persuasions) appearing in the "celebrity seats" Thankfully I have never had an interest in this type of "music" / "racket" / "noise" |
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Post by weareblues on Sept 3, 2024 1:40:13 GMT
They have got their priorities right though, 500 immigrants arriving daily, freezing pensioners to death, removing the right of UK citizens to be first for a council house, undoing the Conservative upping of the care home threshold now cutting discounted rail cards for pensioners and others but they are concentrating on the important things like launching an investigation into the price of Oasis tickets, you couldn't make it up. Be nice if they addressed the knife crime pandemic this country’s going through right now |
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Post by Al on Sept 3, 2024 12:45:36 GMT
They have got their priorities right though, 500 immigrants arriving daily, freezing pensioners to death, removing the right of UK citizens to be first for a council house, undoing the Conservative upping of the care home threshold now cutting discounted rail cards for pensioners and others but they are concentrating on the important things like launching an investigation into the price of Oasis tickets, you couldn't make it up. Theres approx 7,700 miles of UK Coastline.. If people are determined to arrive on these shores in a boat there is absolutely nothing to stop them doing so. Rather than moan about it happening i havent seen a single person moaning about it come up with a constructive answer as to how to stop it from happening.. |
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Sept 3, 2024 12:46:26 GMT
Not bombing their homelands to make them inhabitable might be the first thing.
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Post by Moltisanti on Sept 3, 2024 12:58:48 GMT
They have got their priorities right though, 500 immigrants arriving daily, freezing pensioners to death, removing the right of UK citizens to be first for a council house, undoing the Conservative upping of the care home threshold now cutting discounted rail cards for pensioners and others but they are concentrating on the important things like launching an investigation into the price of Oasis tickets, you couldn't make it up. Theres approx 7,700 miles of UK Coastline.. If people are determined to arrive on these shores in a boat there is absolutely nothing to stop them doing so. Rather than moan about it happening i havent seen a single person moaning about it come up with a constructive answer as to how to stop it from happening.. “Stop da Boats” 🤪🤪🤪 |
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Post by Lobster on Sept 3, 2024 14:37:32 GMT
They have got their priorities right though, 500 immigrants arriving daily, freezing pensioners to death, removing the right of UK citizens to be first for a council house, undoing the Conservative upping of the care home threshold now cutting discounted rail cards for pensioners and others but they are concentrating on the important things like launching an investigation into the price of Oasis tickets, you couldn't make it up. Theres approx 7,700 miles of UK Coastline.. If people are determined to arrive on these shores in a boat there is absolutely nothing to stop them doing so. Rather than moan about it happening i havent seen a single person moaning about it come up with a constructive answer as to how to stop it from happening.. Yep, it's not a case of what is and isn't a priority, it's what can be easily sorted and what can't. You'd think the whole Oasis thing could be stopped with a simple piece of legislation, and it's long overdue. Plus if immigration and pensioner poverty are that much of a priority, how long did the previous government have to sort it? |
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Post by welshrover on Sept 3, 2024 16:11:59 GMT
Theres approx 7,700 miles of UK Coastline.. If people are determined to arrive on these shores in a boat there is absolutely nothing to stop them doing so. Rather than moan about it happening i havent seen a single person moaning about it come up with a constructive answer as to how to stop it from happening.. Yep, it's not a case of what is and isn't a priority, it's what can be easily sorted and what can't. You'd think the whole Oasis thing could be stopped with a simple piece of legislation, and it's long overdue. Plus if immigration and pensioner poverty are that much of a priority, how long did the previous government have to sort it? The previous government didn't stop the Winter Fuel Allowance. The previous government were trying to implement the Rwanda plan but because we had a democracy then it was blocked because everything went to a vote. Now because of the Labour majority we have a dictatorship where nothing goes to a vote and if you are a Labour MP who disagrees with a policy you are shunted. |
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Post by Lobster on Sept 3, 2024 16:14:26 GMT
Come on, you didn't actually buy any of that Rwanda crap, did you? I'd have given you more credit than that.
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Post by Moltisanti on Sept 3, 2024 16:24:45 GMT
Yep, it's not a case of what is and isn't a priority, it's what can be easily sorted and what can't. You'd think the whole Oasis thing could be stopped with a simple piece of legislation, and it's long overdue. Plus if immigration and pensioner poverty are that much of a priority, how long did the previous government have to sort it? The previous government didn't stop the Winter Fuel Allowance. The previous government were trying to implement the Rwanda plan but because we had a democracy then it was blocked because everything went to a vote. Now because of the Labour majority we have a dictatorship where nothing goes to a vote and if you are a Labour MP who disagrees with a policy you are shunted. 😂😂 Deluded Tory tears STILL flowing. Love it. |
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Post by welshrover on Sept 3, 2024 16:34:53 GMT
The previous government didn't stop the Winter Fuel Allowance. The previous government were trying to implement the Rwanda plan but because we had a democracy then it was blocked because everything went to a vote. Now because of the Labour majority we have a dictatorship where nothing goes to a vote and if you are a Labour MP who disagrees with a policy you are shunted. 😂😂 Deluded Tory tears STILL flowing. Love it. I notice you never offer anything constructive to the discussion. Probably best if you say nothing. |
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Post by Moltisanti on Sept 3, 2024 16:37:32 GMT
😂😂 Deluded Tory tears STILL flowing. Love it. I noticed you never offer anything constructive to the discussion. I presume you vote Labour "because me dad did" I don’t need to. I just love reading your shite and thrive off how upset you are. The Tories are gone and there isn’t a thing you can do about other than cry on an Off Topic forum on a Chester FC message board. LOVE IT. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Sept 3, 2024 17:06:18 GMT
Yep, it's not a case of what is and isn't a priority, it's what can be easily sorted and what can't. You'd think the whole Oasis thing could be stopped with a simple piece of legislation, and it's long overdue. Plus if immigration and pensioner poverty are that much of a priority, how long did the previous government have to sort it? The previous government didn't stop the Winter Fuel Allowance. The previous government were trying to implement the Rwanda plan but because we had a democracy then it was blocked because everything went to a vote. Now because of the Labour majority we have a dictatorship where nothing goes to a vote and if you are a Labour MP who disagrees with a policy you are shunted. I’m not a Labour voter (last election anyway) but on 23 August the largest deportation flight in U.K. history took place with 220 failed asylum seekers repatriated. Didn’t make it on to GBNews so you probably didn’t hear about it. Google it if you don’t believe me. |
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Post by Curva Nord on Sept 3, 2024 17:36:20 GMT
I noticed you never offer anything constructive to the discussion. I presume you vote Labour "because me dad did" I don’t need to. I just love reading your shite and thrive off how upset you are. The Tories are gone and there isn’t a thing you can do about other than cry on an Off Topic forum on a Chester FC message board. LOVE IT. God you're cringe, the sooner people realise you get one vote, and politicians don't give a toss about you. The better |
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Post by welshrover on Sept 3, 2024 22:26:59 GMT
The previous government didn't stop the Winter Fuel Allowance. The previous government were trying to implement the Rwanda plan but because we had a democracy then it was blocked because everything went to a vote. Now because of the Labour majority we have a dictatorship where nothing goes to a vote and if you are a Labour MP who disagrees with a policy you are shunted. I’m not a Labour voter (last election anyway) but on 23 August the largest deportation flight in U.K. history took place with 220 failed asylum seekers repatriated. Didn’t make it on to GBNews so you probably didn’t hear about it. Google it if you don’t believe me. Could I just clarify I don't watch GB News. It was a hard find on Google but did find a story about some being repatriated to Brazil if that is the one? |
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Post by Ian H Block on Sept 4, 2024 5:13:02 GMT
linkIt was covered in The Times and Daily Hate Mail but both are behind a paywall.
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Post by welshrover on Sept 4, 2024 6:55:38 GMT
linkIt was covered in The Times and Daily Hate Mail but both are behind a paywall. Paywalls do seem to be the way they are all going now. Something interesting pops up on your phone, you go to read it and there inevitably is a paywall. I suppose they sell very few hard copy newspapers these days. |
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Sept 4, 2024 7:26:55 GMT
There’s various plugins you can use to break through a paywall.
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Post by welshrover on Sept 4, 2024 8:13:01 GMT
There’s various plugins you can use to break through a paywall. Have to admit after a lifetime of staring at computers I have absolutely no interest in technology since packing in work. It all just passes me by nowadays, what I know, I know, what I don't know I won't be learning now. |
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Post by Eddie Gray's left foot on Sept 7, 2024 11:59:13 GMT
I dont understand why the boats aren't impounded and the pilots arrested and charged with human trafficking the illegal trade would soon stop with no boats or pilots Must admit the two things that always bemuse me, with all the "intelligence agencies" across Europe how nobody can see a pattern of rib purchases and secondly how come the migrants know where to catch the boats but the latest technology employed by these agencies can't find the launch site. With regard to arresting the pilot it is belief, stand to be corrected, that one of the migrants assumes the role of pilot. Yes I went to Storyhouse a few months ago and saw a film called I o Capitano (I am the Captain), which was about a 16 year-old migrant who steered this rickety boat from North Africa to an island off Italy. The Traffickers would never get on one of these boats. |
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