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Post by Forever Blue on Nov 17, 2024 4:12:38 GMT
Is it just me that thinks people are over reacting to this game ? ( and no before anyone starts I'm not a happy clapper ) Gainsborough was never going to be a push over.
They maybe sitting 17th in the league table but that is with I think 4 games in hand due to the success they are having in the FA cup and now the Fa Trophy ( fair play to them)
Macc are smashing that league TBF on 44 points so Gainsborough have a lot of catching up to do.
My main concern is our league and for me the next 3 games are crucial for Cal and the board and anything less than 6 or even 7 points and he has to go no excuses.
At the beginning of the season Cal talk about having a smaller but reliable squad and that clearly is not working out.
I said last season we are not scoring enough goals from open play and that has continued, I honestly thought that would change when he signed Kurt Willoughby but even he seems a shadow of his former self.
Why is it our forwards can't find the net ? we create so many chances but with little reward, If Cal gets anything less than 6 or 7 points in the next 3 games he has to go with no arguments.
What is this cloud over them that Cal talks about in his last couple of interviews and why do they have it ? on paper this is a decent squad so why the cloud and low confidence ? that has to be down to the manager.
Also Cal suggested he is going nowhere unless he is asked so for those wanting him to quit it doesn't sound like that's going to happen unless the board ask him to go.
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Post by waggoner on Nov 17, 2024 8:32:56 GMT
Is it just me that thinks people are over reacting to this game ? ( and no before anyone starts I'm not a happy clapper ) Gainsborough was never going to be a push over. They maybe sitting 17th in the league table but that is with I think 4 games in hand due to the success they are having in the FA cup and now the Fa Trophy ( fair play to them) Macc are smashing that league TBF on 44 points so Gainsborough have a lot of catching up to do. My main concern is our league and for me the next 3 games are crucial for Cal and the board and anything less than 6 or even 7 points and he has to go no excuses. At the beginning of the season Cal talk about having a smaller but reliable squad and that clearly is not working out. I said last season we are not scoring enough goals from open play and that has continued, I honestly thought that would change when he signed Kurt Willoughby but even he seems a shadow of his former self. Why is it our forwards can't find the net ? we create so many chances but with little reward, If Cal gets anything less than 6 or 7 points in the next 3 games he has to go with no arguments. What is this cloud over them that Cal talks about in his last couple of interviews and why do they have it ? on paper this is a decent squad so why the cloud and low confidence ? that has to be down to the manager. Also Cal suggested he is going nowhere unless he is asked so for those wanting him to quit it doesn't sound like that's going to happen unless the board ask him to go. I have given up listening to his post match drivel . It’s the same bullshit every time. The remark about him going nowhere, I get that he is contracted so fair dos. My issue is the fact he keeps saying our away form needs to improve but has no idea what to do about it. A real concern to me is the squad depth and lack of quality outside of the main first team pool of players. We have a smaller squad than most, the Christmas and new year fixtures come thick and fast. Injuries and suspensions always happen around a busy period, we don’t have the resources to cope, which is why we always have a post Christmas dip in form. A few mention that we are only a couple of points outside the playoffs looks good on paper. The reality is that we have been clinging on by a thread, after Christmas we could plummet down that league which is a very tight league, and you are in a relegation battle and I don’t think this manager would get us out of a battle to stay in this division if it came to that. |
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Post by superhans on Nov 17, 2024 9:01:48 GMT
Never get excited about the Trophy, but doesn't look good that we've gone out so meakly with basically our strongest XI playing to a team from the league below.
Real worry is Bainbridge missing the next few games, could be a bloodbath without him in the midfield..Chorley are flying too and basically any away game I fancy us to get outmuscled.
You can say we're X amount off the play offs but the form since the start of October has been woeful. And the away form all season has been horrendous.
Cal has limited himself with a small squad (in terms of physically and numbers) so in a game like today I don't think he actually could change the system too much. It's glaringly obvious that we lack any options that give us physicality or width, it's just like for like changes so the system doesn't change even though it's not working.
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Post by Eddie Gray's left foot on Nov 17, 2024 9:03:47 GMT
I suppose it was a blessing that Gainsboro scored near the end because it saved us the embarrassment of yet another penalty shoot-out loss.
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Post by Eddie Gray's left foot on Nov 17, 2024 9:18:23 GMT
Worrying that we have struggled yet again against poor opposition. BIG game Tuesday. We haven't score at Leamington in 5 attempts. Can anyone see that changing. Best we can hope for is a 0-0. |
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Post by proudblue on Nov 17, 2024 9:21:02 GMT
Worrying that we have struggled yet again against poor opposition. BIG game Tuesday. We haven't score at Leamington in 5 attempts. Can anyone see that changing. Best we can hope for is a 0-0. I can only recall us playing there four times - two 0-0 draws, a 1-0 defeat when they scored late on and an awful 3-0 loss there. What was the other one? |
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Post by Harry Lime on Nov 17, 2024 9:26:43 GMT
Is it just me that thinks people are over reacting to this game ? ( and no before anyone starts I'm not a happy clapper ) Gainsborough was never going to be a push over. They maybe sitting 17th in the league table but that is with I think 4 games in hand due to the success they are having in the FA cup and now the Fa Trophy ( fair play to them) Macc are smashing that league TBF on 44 points so Gainsborough have a lot of catching up to do. My main concern is our league and for me the next 3 games are crucial for Cal and the board and anything less than 6 or even 7 points and he has to go no excuses. At the beginning of the season Cal talk about having a smaller but reliable squad and that clearly is not working out. I said last season we are not scoring enough goals from open play and that has continued, I honestly thought that would change when he signed Kurt Willoughby but even he seems a shadow of his former self. Why is it our forwards can't find the net ? we create so many chances but with little reward, If Cal gets anything less than 6 or 7 points in the next 3 games he has to go with no arguments. What is this cloud over them that Cal talks about in his last couple of interviews and why do they have it ? on paper this is a decent squad so why the cloud and low confidence ? that has to be down to the manager. Also Cal suggested he is going nowhere unless he is asked so for those wanting him to quit it doesn't sound like that's going to happen unless the board ask him to go. Taken in isolation maybe. It's rather that it's the latest in a long succession of disappointing performances and results against average opposition. Add to that we don't score goals, and most people dislike the style of play as they find it too controlling and dull to watch. Do we actually create that many chances? I'd say not. Those that we do create we then manage to miss the target completely more often than not. We've scored from open play in 1 of the last 12 games, according to one poster. Most games we only have 3 or 4 efforts on goal and probably only 1 of those is a decent chance. Obviously that's a combination of multiple factors. We don't commit enough men into the box for one. Other teams often manage to get 4 or 5 in there. We have Peers going beyond the near post, and then Glendon would drift to the far post. You won't score goals doing just that. Willoughby may have scored goals played as the central striker. May still do, but he'll need a boost in confidence. Maybe just needs one to go in? He's a far better finisher than Peers will ever be imo. Peers for all his genuine endeavour hasn't any real quality at all. Although people raved about the summer recruitment, just think for a moment. We signed Rawlinson and Pollock both very good experienced centre halves. However, our best 2 outfield players last season were Burke and Williams. Did we need 2 centre halves? I suggest we got Pollock, then found out we could get Rawlinson later. We only signed Bainbridge to beef up the midfield, no-one else. We brought Willoughby back. Add to this Glendon re-signed. We didn't strengthen the area of the team which had struggled last season. Willoughby did improve it, but we played him wide or had him on the bench. Meaning we hadn't strengthened it. We had a similar attacking group to last season, which hadn't worked. We tried a 433 in a couple of games which appeared to solve the issues, but actually it hadn't. We've gone back to a diamond type, and that hasn't worked. The reality is the combination of players and / or style of play is the problem. We've now got 2 of our (presumably) higher paid players sat on the bench or in the stand. Glendon and Rawlinson or Pollock. Add Hancox maybe to that too. That's not a good use of budget in a small squad. I think we're close to where crowds really start to drop off now. It's been a drip feed over the past 12 months and there's no real sign of it improving. |
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Post by proudblue on Nov 17, 2024 9:36:33 GMT
Another consequence of yesterday’s defeat is we face going a fortnight without a game in December. Looking at the results yesterday I can’t realistically see us rearranging a match for December 7th.
If that’s the case then I suppose the break can be viewed two ways. On the positive side it should allow some recovery time after a demanding run of fixtures. But the impending break makes the result at Warrington on November 30th particularly important. Doesn’t bear thinking about how grim the mood will be if we have a poor result there, with two weeks to dwell on it before a tough trip to Brackley.
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Post by Harry Lime on Nov 17, 2024 9:52:49 GMT
Another consequence of yesterday’s defeat is we face going a fortnight without a game in December. Looking at the results yesterday I can’t realistically see us rearranging a match for December 7th. If that’s the case then I suppose the break can be viewed two ways. On the positive side it should allow some recovery time after a demanding run of fixtures. But the impending break makes the result at Warrington on November 30th particularly important. Doesn’t bear thinking about how grim the mood will be if we have a poor result there, with two weeks to dwell on it before a tough trip to Brackley. Having a two week break could be a good opportunity to get on the training ground and work on things. Playing every midweek means you only really have 1 session and 1 light set piece type session to do that. You can't change much in that time. This might be what's needed. |
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Post by southernblue on Nov 17, 2024 10:02:03 GMT
Cal can't seem to find the balance for away games. What was he doing that worked so well in away games in our first season, and why can't that be replicated now? I remember Willoughby was properly up front where Peers currently plays, but what else?
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Post by muchwenlock2 on Nov 17, 2024 10:03:39 GMT
Another consequence of yesterday’s defeat is we face going a fortnight without a game in December. Looking at the results yesterday I can’t realistically see us rearranging a match for December 7th. If that’s the case then I suppose the break can be viewed two ways. On the positive side it should allow some recovery time after a demanding run of fixtures. But the impending break makes the result at Warrington on November 30th particularly important. Doesn’t bear thinking about how grim the mood will be if we have a poor result there, with two weeks to dwell on it before a tough trip to Brackley. Having a two week break could be a good opportunity to get on the training ground and work on things. Playing every midweek means you only really have 1 session and 1 light set piece type session to do that. You can't change much in that time. This might be what's needed. You could be right but it could go the other way as well . If the next few results don't go our way say we lost a couple of them . Can you then imagine what the pressure would be like from a fractured fanbase would be! Two weeks with nothing might get really nasty especially on here . |
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Post by Blockhead on Nov 17, 2024 10:11:58 GMT
Having a pop at our own fans walking into the tunnel at half time wasn't a good look for Cal.
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Post by muchwenlock2 on Nov 17, 2024 10:16:29 GMT
Having a pop at our own fans walking into the tunnel at half time wasn't a good look for Cal. If this is true then we're in trouble. |
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Nov 17, 2024 10:17:35 GMT
I think people who are dismissing today as ‘It’s the Trophy, who cares’ are missing the point. People aren’t overly bothered about the result itself, it’s just another week of us looking completely inept going forward and the whole outcome felt predictable. We don’t look good enough to achieve anything no matter how many points off the play-offs we happen to be in the league. Just seems irrelevant to me at the moment as we look miles short. That wasn’t a good team who just couldn’t be arsed with this competition, instead it followed the pattern to all other games. Struggled to create a serious chance never mind put one away, like most other games and you can envisage the same coming again on Tuesday. The whole day was summed up by the state of the goal we conceded, too far away to know if Harrison was fouled to be fair. Just felt like only Chester could manage to concede such an awful rubbish looking goal like that though. Can’t be mithered kicking and screaming, apathy is setting in and it was rife throughout the away support today and the big fear is about home gates going forward. The apathy is the killer for any managers time at a club. The relationship between Calum and a section of our fanbase is very reminiscent of a romantic relationship - you want out, for no real reason other than its just boring as fuck and you get on each others tits every now and then. Missionary sex once a fortnight but that’s it. Don't hate each other but there’s absolutely no spark. Clamours for a new beau might work in the first instance - it’s new and exciting, fresh. But will it last long-term? Our history of managers suggests perhaps not. |
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Post by jimianto on Nov 17, 2024 10:32:42 GMT
Too many inadequacies with the recruitment are coming home to roost. It's clear that the squad is unbalanced and I think it's debatable whether the players are fully invested.
No doubt Hereford was a great performance, but it seems this the exception rather than the rule. I have no real belief that we will go back to back with this type of quality performance. I cannot see us winning at Lemmo. If the players can muster a good committed performance, then great, but another tame defeat really would add to the increasing pressure on the manager.
So far the home support has been good. But we have have a team winning games to keep the the gates near 2000. These next few 'winnable' games will be crucial.
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Post by billyw on Nov 17, 2024 10:38:01 GMT
Is it correct that apart from the Hereford game, we haven’t scored from open play in our last 12 games. If so, this is horrendous, unacceptable and cannot be allowed to continue. We scored 10 goals in 4 matches in August so what has gone wrong?
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Post by tarvinblue on Nov 17, 2024 10:38:52 GMT
Another week, another dreadful performance. Got away with one at Needham Market but didn't happen again yesterday. So often we hear about how the opponents had been underestimated somewhat. There are no excuses. Regardless of the opponents we should winning games like that and fighting at the top end of the league. Cal was saved by the win against Hereford and seems to be able to live off the back of the odd decent performance here and there. That seems to be enough to satisfy his personal fanbase. They need to look beyond their personal friendships and realise that for the vast majority of supporters, drinking pints in the bar and making a few gags in a press conference isn't enough.
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Post by jimianto on Nov 17, 2024 10:48:30 GMT
Cal can't seem to find the balance for away games. What was he doing that worked so well in away games in our first season, and why can't that be replicated now? I remember Willoughby was properly up front where Peers currently plays, but what else? Kev Roberts marshalled things ahead of a more solid back 4. He played the DM role in a more conservative way than Bainbridge does. This kept us tight in defence. Also Dec Weeks was in tremendous form behind the strikers. He would often run the show and was definitely the heartbeat of a well balanced team. Kurt was always a threat to get a goal and took his good chances more often than not. We also had useful players like Hall and Thomas who were good at stretching play at times. |
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Post by Lobster on Nov 17, 2024 11:02:55 GMT
I think people who are dismissing today as ‘It’s the Trophy, who cares’ are missing the point. People aren’t overly bothered about the result itself, it’s just another week of us looking completely inept going forward and the whole outcome felt predictable. We don’t look good enough to achieve anything no matter how many points off the play-offs we happen to be in the league. Just seems irrelevant to me at the moment as we look miles short. That wasn’t a good team who just couldn’t be arsed with this competition, instead it followed the pattern to all other games. Struggled to create a serious chance never mind put one away, like most other games and you can envisage the same coming again on Tuesday. The whole day was summed up by the state of the goal we conceded, too far away to know if Harrison was fouled to be fair. Just felt like only Chester could manage to concede such an awful rubbish looking goal like that though. Can’t be mithered kicking and screaming, apathy is setting in and it was rife throughout the away support today and the big fear is about home gates going forward. The apathy is the killer for any managers time at a club. The relationship between Calum and a section of our fanbase is very reminiscent of a romantic relationship - you want out, for no real reason other than its just boring as fuck and you get on each others tits every now and then. Missionary sex once a fortnight but that’s it. Don't hate each other but there’s absolutely no spark. Clamours for a new beau might work in the first instance - it’s new and exciting, fresh. But will it last long-term? Our history of managers suggests perhaps not. If you're going to sack the manager, you have to consider what you're actually hoping to achieve. When we sacked B&J, I didn't really see the point as we weren't going to go up or down that season whoever we appointed. I actually see more point now, because the league is wide open, our position isn't terrible and there's no reason why we can't be the club that puts a run together and takes advantage, but I don't think anyone can see us doing that with the way we are at the moment. But, it is actually a big ask for a new manager to get a pretty unbalanced squad like this into promotion winners. To continue your analogy, we don't want to end our relationship dreaming of landing a supermodel only to end up living with our mums and washing our socks in the sink. |
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Post by thetheremin on Nov 17, 2024 11:06:16 GMT
Too many inadequacies with the recruitment are coming home to roost. It's clear that the squad is unbalanced and I think it's debatable whether the players are fully invested. No doubt Hereford was a great performance, but it seems this the exception rather than the rule. I have no real belief that we will go back to back with this type of quality performance. I cannot see us winning at Lemmo. If the players can muster a good committed performance, then great, but another tame defeat really would add to the increasing pressure on the manager. So far the home support has been good. But we have have a team winning games to keep the the gates near 2000. These next few 'winnable' games will be crucial. I don’t think the players are playing for him. I don’t think this group has from start of the season TBH. Something wrong from the start. |
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Post by waggoner on Nov 17, 2024 11:35:15 GMT
Too many inadequacies with the recruitment are coming home to roost. It's clear that the squad is unbalanced and I think it's debatable whether the players are fully invested. No doubt Hereford was a great performance, but it seems this the exception rather than the rule. I have no real belief that we will go back to back with this type of quality performance. I cannot see us winning at Lemmo. If the players can muster a good committed performance, then great, but another tame defeat really would add to the increasing pressure on the manager. So far the home support has been good. But we have have a team winning games to keep the the gates near 2000. These next few 'winnable' games will be crucial. I don’t think the players are playing for him. I don’t think this group has from start of the season TBH. Something wrong from the start. maybe it’s some of the players have played at a higher level than this and under managers who played in the EFL? I don’t know just guessing but could some of them have a ‘what the fuck do you know about football’ mentality CMc has not played at any decent level and I reckon some of the players can pick up on it with what he says and the crazy tactics he employs, if true then it would not be too much to suggest that apathy is rubbing off on the team? |
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Post by kyle on Nov 17, 2024 11:58:45 GMT
People need to stop letting a hobby ruin their Saturday night/weekend. It's a good job its not just "a hobby". I wouldn't be coming on Saturday if it was. Hobbies are things you choose to do because you enjoy them |
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Post by Anders on Nov 17, 2024 12:05:20 GMT
Stumbled across this vlog from the game - Link |
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Post by devadiva on Nov 17, 2024 12:34:01 GMT
Never get excited about the Trophy, but doesn't look good that we've gone out so meakly with basically our strongest XI playing to a team from the league below. Real worry is Bainbridge missing the next few games, could be a bloodbath without him in the midfield..Chorley are flying too and basically any away game I fancy us to get outmuscled. You can say we're X amount off the play offs but the form since the start of October has been woeful. And the away form all season has been horrendous. Cal has limited himself with a small squad (in terms of physically and numbers) so in a game like today I don't think he actually could change the system too much. It's glaringly obvious that we lack any options that give us physicality or width, it's just like for like changes so the system doesn't change even though it's not working. [br Think we’re going to have to hope/pray that Roberts or Burke can cover the Bainbridge gap for us. He’s been superb for us all season but having all your eggs in one basket for the role he performs (and the one we most desperately needed to address this season) is not the smartest strategy from Cal. |
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Nov 17, 2024 12:36:40 GMT
Burke will be solid there, just have Rawlinson back into the defence alongside Pollock.
Would like us to adopt the 3-5-2 we seem better built for though with Roberts in the back three with the big two, Burke protecting them in front, and Hunter (there’s nobody else really) and Woodthorpe out wide.
Hugill and Weeks in with Burke, and then any two of the four forwards.
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Post by bluejay on Nov 17, 2024 12:46:55 GMT
Burke will be solid there, just have Rawlinson back into the defence alongside Pollock. Would like us to adopt the 3-5-2 we seem better built for though with Roberts in the back three with the big two, Burke protecting them in front, and Hunter (there’s nobody else really) and Woodthorpe out wide. Hugill and Weeks in with Burke, and then any two of the four forwards. A formation the squad seems more suited to. No idea why we did it preseason but not since. |
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Post by Eddie Gray's left foot on Nov 17, 2024 12:48:00 GMT
It’s people like you who are happy the fact we’ve been in this league for 8 odd years It’s actually six. 👍🏻 This is our 7th season since we were relegated. It you count the season when we won it and broke all kind of records this IS our 8th. |
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Nov 17, 2024 13:00:42 GMT
This is our 7th season since we were relegated. It you count the season when we won it and broke all kind of records this IS our 8th. Seventh “season” but sixth consecutive year until January 1st 2025. The other year you speak of was 11/12 years ago but it’s clear the original poster was referencing consecutive years in his post. |
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Post by Eddie Gray's left foot on Nov 17, 2024 13:10:09 GMT
This is our 7th season since we were relegated. It you count the season when we won it and broke all kind of records this IS our 8th. Seventh “season” but sixth consecutive year until January 1st 2025. The other year you speak of was 11/12 years ago but it’s clear the original poster was referencing consecutive years in his post. Yes, but I'm correct and you are wrong. You've always got to be right. Don't bother replying because I won't be reading anything more from you. |
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Nov 17, 2024 13:18:32 GMT
Seventh “season” but sixth consecutive year until January 1st 2025. The other year you speak of was 11/12 years ago but it’s clear the original poster was referencing consecutive years in his post. Yes, but I'm correct and you are wrong. You've always got to be right. Don't bother replying because I won't be reading anything more from you. Ok mate 👍🏻 |
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