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Post by blueisthecolour on Jul 12, 2017 22:32:55 GMT
Does anybody else think that the amount of Backroom Staff we've got is ridiculous?
A Manager, an Assistant Manager, a Goalkeeper Coach, a Head of Academy and a Kit-man should be enough for a Club of our size.
This season we have:
Manager
Assistant Manager
1st Team Coach or Strikers Coach (whichever he wants to be called this week)
Goalkeeper Coach
Head of Academy
Strength and Conditioning Coach
Sports Therapist
Sports Rehabilitator
Coaching Assistant
Assistant to the 1st Team
Kit Manager
General Assistant
Nutritionist
Psychologist (what's that all about?)
whatever their on, expenses or peanuts it all adds up over a season for unnecessary Staff which could be put to better use.
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Post by rcb on Jul 12, 2017 23:18:54 GMT
Last on the list is Psychologist. Surely that should read Psychiatrist, having seen many of last seasons post match interviews.
Seriously, I have great concerns over the large number of non playing personnel on the clubs books, particularly when administrative personnel are added to the above list.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Jul 13, 2017 6:17:32 GMT
I think it is a good idea to have a larger backroom staff. Not much wrong with it in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 7:07:36 GMT
If it's all within budget then I haven't got a problem with it, plus I doubt most are on a decent wage anyway, if one at all.
It's just the way football has gone, it's just catching up to other sports.
One of the best signings we made this summer was giving Calum McIntyre a permanent/full time (?) gig, the lad has done wonders for the club
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Post by Hannibal on Jul 13, 2017 7:10:07 GMT
Does anybody else think that the amount of Backroom Staff we've got is ridiculous? A Manager, an Assistant Manager, a Goalkeeper Coach, a Head of Academy and a Kit-man should be enough for a Club of our size. This season we have: Manager Assistant Manager 1st Team Coach or Strikers Coach (whichever he wants to be called this week) Goalkeeper Coach Head of Academy Strength and Conditioning Coach Sports Therapist Sports Rehabilitator Coaching Assistant Assistant to the 1st Team Kit Manager General Assistant Nutritionist Psychologist (what's that all about?) whatever their on, expenses or peanuts it all adds up over a season for unnecessary Staff which could be put to better use. You forgot assistant kit manager. |
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Post by andy091079 on Jul 13, 2017 7:13:55 GMT
I agree with Rio, if you want your team to be as professional as possible then you have to more people apart from the manager. Hopefully having all these areas covered can give us the best chance of doing the best we can with the budget we have. I know last season at Lincoln the Cowley brothers used a lot of sports science and had video analysts employed to review games. They didn't do too badly using this approach.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jul 13, 2017 7:28:51 GMT
I'm only assuming of course, but I assume all those random roles are something to do with our partnership with Total Fitness perhaps.
The weirdest thing is having a Player/Assistant Manager, a First Team Assistant, a Coaching Assistant and a "General" Assistant whatever that is?! Actually I think the "General Assistant" had the title last season of "Assistant Kit Man" presumably in case Jimmy Soul ever forgot the socks.
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Post by iandychesterfc on Jul 13, 2017 8:34:22 GMT
imagine alot of those roles are unpaid or expenses - few of the names linked to Total Fitness as helps build their CV, others like the Psychologist has the surname Swettenham which suggests link with the sponsors and again it's good CV building to say worked with a professional football club.
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Post by sqzl on Jul 13, 2017 9:23:44 GMT
I'm only assuming of course, but I assume all those random roles are something to do with our partnership with Total Fitness perhaps.The weirdest thing is having a Player/Assistant Manager, a First Team Assistant, a Coaching Assistant and a "General" Assistant whatever that is?! Actually I think the "General Assistant" had the title last season of "Assistant Kit Man" presumably in case Jimmy Soul ever forgot the socks. I would think this is correct, plus there are so many Sports science students at the Uni that would jump at the chance of having worked with a football club on their CV as work experience too. I think it's easy to look as a list of roles and jump at the chance to have a moan, but unless we have the figures that show our staffing costs are now hugely more than last season then i think this is a pretty much dead thread. As long as we're working to budget, perform better on the pitch and everyone's doing their job then what doe it really matter if we've got a voluntary sports scientist from the gym/Uni. |
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Post by bogsnorkel on Jul 13, 2017 9:28:50 GMT
Think we have a secretary too....worms open of can...comes to mind
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 10:14:38 GMT
I'm only assuming of course, but I assume all those random roles are something to do with our partnership with Total Fitness perhaps.The weirdest thing is having a Player/Assistant Manager, a First Team Assistant, a Coaching Assistant and a "General" Assistant whatever that is?! Actually I think the "General Assistant" had the title last season of "Assistant Kit Man" presumably in case Jimmy Soul ever forgot the socks. I would think this is correct, plus there are so many Sports science students at the Uni that would jump at the chance of having worked with a football club on their CV as work experience too. I think it's easy to look as a list of roles and jump at the chance to have a moan, but unless we have the figures that show our staffing costs are now hugely more than last season then i think this is a pretty much dead thread. As long as we're working to budget, perform better on the pitch and everyone's doing their job then what doe it really matter if we've got a voluntary sports scientist from the gym/Uni. We've had a remarkably positive pre-season so far, everything is looking up. Some people still need to find fault and/or something to moan about. |
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Post by bing on Jul 13, 2017 10:22:06 GMT
It's amazing how much the game has moved on in the last 20 years or so.
I watched a documentary about a sports pychologist who was working with a player who couldn't use his left foot, one who couldn't role his marker to the left and one who fell to pieces when through on goal. It really did make a difference and illustrated how much sport is played in the head.
As we don't have the most expensive squad in the league, any advantage we can seek to improve our squad should be applauded.
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Post by livinginhope on Jul 13, 2017 10:30:03 GMT
I think it was McCarthy who said that off the pitch they are trying to make the set up as close to a Premier League side as we can within our budget constraints. Hopefully over the course of the season this will pay dividends, especially fitness related coaches given all our injury problems last year. I think the professional set up has also helped with making the very good signings we have and attracting them to the club. As long as there is still room in the budget for a reserve keeper and another defender, I can't see anything wrong with all the backroom staff at all. If they can help get our best 11 out on the pitch playing well more weeks than not, that's a very good investment.
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Post by Al on Jul 13, 2017 10:50:55 GMT
There's a few supporters on here that could do with having a lengthy chat with a Psychologist
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Post by harrymac on Jul 13, 2017 11:31:24 GMT
There's a few supporters on here that could do with having a lengthy chat with a Psychologist This!!  If the additional backroom staff are on expenses / peanuts and they manage to reduce injuries by say 25% and increase performance levels by even 5% then the impact on the team / squad over the season could be massive. If you don't understand the cumulative effect of several minimal gains in sport then check out the Sky team in the Tour De France!! |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jul 13, 2017 11:33:23 GMT
There's a few supporters on here that could do with having a lengthy chat with a Psychologist This!! If the additional backroom staff are on expenses / peanuts and they manage to reduce injuries by say 25% and increase performance levels by even 5% then the impact on the team / squad over the season could be massive. If you don't understand the cumulative effect of several minimal gains in sport then check out the Sky team in the Tour De France!! Are you advocating the use of performance-enhancing steroids?! |
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Post by Al on Jul 13, 2017 11:35:21 GMT
This!! If the additional backroom staff are on expenses / peanuts and they manage to reduce injuries by say 25% and increase performance levels by even 5% then the impact on the team / squad over the season could be massive. If you don't understand the cumulative effect of several minimal gains in sport then check out the Sky team in the Tour De France!! Are you advocating the use of performance-enhancing steroids?! WUM |
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Post by rcb on Jul 13, 2017 16:56:01 GMT
I agree with Rio, if you want your team to be as professional as possible then you have to more people apart from the manager. Hopefully having all these areas covered can give us the best chance of doing the best we can with the budget we have. I know last season at Lincoln the Cowley brothers used a lot of sports science and had video analysts employed to review games. They didn't do too badly using this approach. Sports science didn't score a single goal all season, from any of the teams! Lincoln did the job last season beacause of what happened on the pitch. Any Sports Science assessment of Matt Rhead would say he is too slow, too overweight and too obvious to be competent, but the Cowleys played him because football is a simple game and he is simply brilliant at what he does at that level of football. League teams in their cup run couldn't cope with him either. Good management saw his ability and played to his strengths. But for him we could easily have beaten them at home last season. Backroom staff and video analysts my arse! |
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Post by andy091079 on Jul 13, 2017 17:31:49 GMT
I agree with Rio, if you want your team to be as professional as possible then you have to more people apart from the manager. Hopefully having all these areas covered can give us the best chance of doing the best we can with the budget we have. I know last season at Lincoln the Cowley brothers used a lot of sports science and had video analysts employed to review games. They didn't do too badly using this approach. Sports science didn't score a single goal all season, from any of the teams! Lincoln did the job last season beacause of what happened on the pitch. Any Sports Science assessment of Matt Rhead would say he is too slow, too overweight and too obvious to be competent, but the Cowleys played him because football is a simple game and he is simply brilliant at what he does at that level of football. League teams in their cup run couldn't cope with him either. Good management saw his ability and played to his strengths. But for him we could easily have beaten them at home last season. Backroom staff and video analysts my arse! |
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Post by rcb on Jul 13, 2017 18:02:04 GMT
Sports science didn't score a single goal all season, from any of the teams! Lincoln did the job last season beacause of what happened on the pitch. Any Sports Science assessment of Matt Rhead would say he is too slow, too overweight and too obvious to be competent, but the Cowleys played him because football is a simple game and he is simply brilliant at what he does at that level of football. League teams in their cup run couldn't cope with him either. Good management saw his ability and played to his strengths. But for him we could easily have beaten them at home last season. Backroom staff and video analysts my arse! Excellent article, particularly the list of all the quality players that Lincoln has at their disposal. They obviously played to their strengths www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4165286/Cowley-brothers-experts-science-winning.htmlExcellent article, particularly the list of all the quality players Lincoln had at their disposal. Cowley had the management skills to play them all to their strengths. i hope you didn't miss the obvious qualities of the article because you were too engrossed in the nonsense about statistics! Did you hear about the farmer who adopted sports science for his prize pig? He recorded all its statistics faithfully seven times a day, analysed them with graphs and charts every day until it died. If only he had simply taken the time to feed it instead. Carry on enjoying the Daily Mail. |
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Post by lachelane on Jul 13, 2017 18:29:46 GMT
There's a few supporters on here that could do with having a lengthy chat with a Psychologist I feel sorry for that psychologist |
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Post by marner93 on Jul 13, 2017 19:07:56 GMT
Sports analytics is the way ahead, in ice hockey we have things like CORSI puckalytics.com/#/For managers to help pick players for their sides, it obviously isn't the be all and end all, however just another tool to use to help to make a better choice. |
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Post by rcb on Jul 13, 2017 20:24:05 GMT
Sports analytics is the way ahead, in ice hockey we have things like CORSI puckalytics.com/#/For managers to help pick players for their sides, it obviously isn't the be all and end all, however just another tool to use to help to make a better choice. Please give the details to the club. Perhaps McCarthy will become an ice hockey manager! |
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Post by marner93 on Jul 14, 2017 13:13:32 GMT
Sports analytics is the way ahead, in ice hockey we have things like CORSI puckalytics.com/#/For managers to help pick players for their sides, it obviously isn't the be all and end all, however just another tool to use to help to make a better choice. Please give the details to the club. Perhaps McCarthy will become an ice hockey manager! Well you obnoxious berk, they are stats that could be applied to other sports |
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Post by Lobster on Jul 14, 2017 13:30:02 GMT
Sports analytics is the way ahead, in ice hockey we have things like CORSI puckalytics.com/#/For managers to help pick players for their sides, it obviously isn't the be all and end all, however just another tool to use to help to make a better choice. Last time we allowed a tool to influence the starting lineup, he played his son at right back. |
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Post by rcb on Jul 14, 2017 13:30:14 GMT
Please give the details to the club. Perhaps McCarthy will become an ice hockey manager! Well you obnoxious berk, they are stats that could be applied to other sports Oh I say! Have I pricked your conscience or simply the conscience of a prick. The day football, or do people like you call it soccer, becomes a science rather than an art is the day it dies! if only Pele, Maradona, Best, Charlton, etc. had had their stats. analysed perhaps they would have become decent footballers. Wasn't Steven Gerrard told by analysts that a foot defect would prevent him becoming a footballer. Go and spend some time telling bumble bees stats. say they shouldn't be able to fly! |
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Post by Captain Duff on Jul 14, 2017 13:34:50 GMT
Does anybody else think that the amount of Backroom Staff we've got is ridiculous? A Manager, an Assistant Manager, a Goalkeeper Coach, a Head of Academy and a Kit-man should be enough for a Club of our size. This season we have: Manager Assistant Manager 1st Team Coach or Strikers Coach (whichever he wants to be called this week) Goalkeeper Coach Head of Academy Strength and Conditioning Coach Sports Therapist Sports Rehabilitator Coaching Assistant Assistant to the 1st Team Kit Manager General Assistant Nutritionist Psychologist (what's that all about?) whatever their on, expenses or peanuts it all adds up over a season for unnecessary Staff which could be put to better use. No, it is not too many. Most of those roles are p/t time, and most will not be paid very highly in terms of hourly rate to boot (although as a club I want us to sign up to the living wage and pay a minimum of £8.45 an hour for any paid role, unless we do that anyway?). With a small squad we need to do everything we can to keep every single player fit, motivated and recover from injury as quickly as possible. We also need to improve the skills of all our players, but particularly the youngsters (as that will pay for itself). On that basis I can't see a problem with any of those roles, in fact for a professional national team like CFC I would say that they are all much needed. |
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Post by marner93 on Jul 14, 2017 15:11:45 GMT
Well you obnoxious berk, they are stats that could be applied to other sports Oh I say! Have I pricked your conscience or simply the conscience of a prick. The day football, or do people like you call it soccer, becomes a science rather than an art is the day it dies! if only Pele, Maradona, Best, Charlton, etc. had had their stats. analysed perhaps they would have become decent footballers. Wasn't Steven Gerrard told by analysts that a foot defect would prevent him becoming a footballer. Go and spend some time telling bumble bees stats. say they shouldn't be able to fly! You people? I'm English, I call it football, like you do, soccer was originally an English word though. If you cared to read my post I said these stats are a tool to help show which players are performing, like everything else you get anomalies Don't worry, football, like every other professional sport, and if players don't perform, the manager gets sacked. Believe it or not all clubs in European top flight football will have analytic experts within their staff. www.theguardian.com/football/2014/mar/09/premier-league-football-clubs-computer-analysts-managers-data-winningwww.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/04/16/the-numbers-dont-lie-why-football-clubs-place-such-importance-on/Should footballers still be smoking 20 a day, and getting hammered after training? Why do you think Wenger and Fergie stamped it out. As it is another tool to improve his players. So in your eyes is football still alive? |
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Post by rcb on Jul 14, 2017 17:43:52 GMT
Oh I say! Have I pricked your conscience or simply the conscience of a prick. The day football, or do people like you call it soccer, becomes a science rather than an art is the day it dies! if only Pele, Maradona, Best, Charlton, etc. had had their stats. analysed perhaps they would have become decent footballers. Wasn't Steven Gerrard told by analysts that a foot defect would prevent him becoming a footballer. Go and spend some time telling bumble bees stats. say they shouldn't be able to fly! You people? I'm English, I call it football, like you do, soccer was originally an English word though. If you cared to read my post I said these stats are a tool to help show which players are performing, like everything else you get anomalies Don't worry, football, like every other professional sport, and if players don't perform, the manager gets sacked. Believe it or not all clubs in European top flight football will have analytic experts within their staff. www.theguardian.com/football/2014/mar/09/premier-league-football-clubs-computer-analysts-managers-data-winningwww.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/04/16/the-numbers-dont-lie-why-football-clubs-place-such-importance-on/Should footballers still be smoking 20 a day, and getting hammered after training? Why do you think Wenger and Fergie stamped it out. As it is another tool to improve his players. So in your eyes is football still alive? Well I'm glad you choose to differentiate top flight professional sport, and football in particular, as a means to support the concept of extreme analysis. For me, the game at that level is dead. I like to see any sport's outcome determined by skills performed within the rules. Sadly this no longer is the case for many top flight sports. As long as the analytic chemist remains one step ahead of the testing analysts then cheats will prevail, and backroom staff seem to actively encourage and promote victory by stealth. No doubt Tom Daley will be on the backroom staff of a top Premier team soon to help improve diving! I no longer watch athletics, cycling, boxing, or football at the top level because I hate cheating. Top level football is very much the plaything of corrupt wealth, be they from Russia, the Middle East, or China. Even at our low level look what happened when a bit of corrupt wealth controlled Chester. No thanks, I'll stick to more honest aspects of sport when the occasional display of artistry gets me off my seat without feeling conned. Matty McGinn's goal a prime example. By and large real footy still exists at our level thank God. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 18:10:59 GMT
Well I'm glad you choose to differentiate top flight professional sport, and football in particular, as a means to support the concept of extreme analysis. For me, the game at that level is dead. I like to see any sport's outcome determined by skills performed within the rules. Sadly this no longer is the case for many top flight sports. As long as the analytic chemist remains one step ahead of the testing analysts then cheats will prevail, and backroom staff seem to actively encourage and promote victory by stealth. No doubt Tom Daley will be on the backroom staff of a top Premier team soon to help improve diving! I no longer watch athletics, cycling, boxing, or football at the top level because I hate cheating. Top level football is very much the plaything of corrupt wealth, be they from Russia, the Middle East, or China. Even at our low level look what happened when a bit of corrupt wealth controlled Chester. No thanks, I'll stick to more honest aspects of sport when the occasional display of artistry gets me off my seat without feeling conned. Matty McGinn's goal a prime example. By and large real footy still exists at our level thank God. Bloody hell mate that was a bit OTT, its only using stats to determine the effectiveness of players etc. Its just a method of coaching that wasnt really around 'back in our day'. No one is cheating |
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