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Post by eyeswideopen on Aug 17, 2017 11:16:43 GMT
I agree, there was rumours of dressing room unrest last season with Johnny Hunt, who many people including myself saw as potential captain material.
To quote JM , That's three games where we haven't been beaten and we've only conceded two goals.
Sounds fantastic but lets just look at the facts here: its three teams we have played who all still sit below us in the league having played a game more ! Fylde have yet to win a game and have shipped 9 goals in their three other games. Halifax have yet to win a game and have conceded 4 goals in their three other games. Hartlepools have yet to win a game and have conceded 4 goals in their three other games
We have yet to score more than once in a game.
But on a positive note, we are not conceding as many goals I grant you that. We have by far the best strike force we have ever had since we reformed ( Wildey would still get in any team now though btw) So if we can get the strikers scoring, we have the making of a good team here.
And here lies the problem, the manager has said so himself its the best squad since we reformed, he is arguably right, why are we happy with a point then against teams who sit below us, we should be beating teams like these if indeed we have the best squad blah blah. The reason why we are not, is we are playing far too defensive, we are missing out the midfield, not playing with width and playing strikers out of position. Everyone can see this except the manager it seems.
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Post by Lobster on Aug 17, 2017 11:17:06 GMT
Think we might just grind out a 1-0 here. Hannah to score.
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Post by Hannibal on Aug 17, 2017 13:14:50 GMT
I'm going to see if I can find out what the longest winless run in this league is. I would imagine it's someone like Hyde or Leigh RMI. Not even sure what our current score is but it must be around 13. It's a record that we don't want but unless things improve we could be in for it.
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Post by dmcnally on Aug 17, 2017 13:18:54 GMT
Just to make it clear, I do not want to sack the manager ( at this stage) but to say it would be terrible financially is short sighted. The entertainment he is serving up is killing us financially already, we will be lucky to have 1800 there on Saturday.
Something has to change, either we play with more positivity, a word the manager himself has expressed us fans to show more of, or the board will sack him if results and performances don't improve soon.
I don't disagree that something does have to change. The entertainment value at the Deva is poor, and we don't even have the results to fall back on as an excuse. It's just frustrating to see a prediction thread with 'hopefully we sack the manager' style comments. I don't see how certain posters want him to succeed but slate him at every opportunity. I guess people's opinions differ, and that's fine, i'm no huge JMC fan, in fact i would have parted ways end of last season. The issue now though, we're stuck with him. Maguire has pulled a few decent deals lately, which seem to have clouded everyones judgement on the man that wrongly offered JM an extension that could end up having large financial impact. JM could win the next 5 games, but if the football is poor, we'll still have people wanting his head, that's the fact. He's associated with the Burr era, which doesn't help him and 2017 just nails his coffin for most of us. Whether the manager is who we want, we still need fans going and getting behind their team, i hope for around 2000 through the gate. I'm no JM fan, but i'm a Chester fan and want us to see success. It was the CFU board who gave McCarthy the contract.
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Post by Hannibal on Aug 17, 2017 13:27:10 GMT
I don't disagree that something does have to change. The entertainment value at the Deva is poor, and we don't even have the results to fall back on as an excuse. It's just frustrating to see a prediction thread with 'hopefully we sack the manager' style comments. I don't see how certain posters want him to succeed but slate him at every opportunity. I guess people's opinions differ, and that's fine, i'm no huge JMC fan, in fact i would have parted ways end of last season. The issue now though, we're stuck with him. Maguire has pulled a few decent deals lately, which seem to have clouded everyones judgement on the man that wrongly offered JM an extension that could end up having large financial impact. JM could win the next 5 games, but if the football is poor, we'll still have people wanting his head, that's the fact. He's associated with the Burr era, which doesn't help him and 2017 just nails his coffin for most of us. Whether the manager is who we want, we still need fans going and getting behind their team, i hope for around 2000 through the gate. I'm no JM fan, but i'm a Chester fan and want us to see success. Indeed we are repeatedly told it was the CFU board that extended Jon's contract, but it is Mark Maguire who repeatedly said during the close season that Jon McCarthy is going nowhere. was the CFU board who gave McCarthy the contract.
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Post by rcb on Aug 17, 2017 13:28:34 GMT
I don't disagree that something does have to change. The entertainment value at the Deva is poor, and we don't even have the results to fall back on as an excuse. It's just frustrating to see a prediction thread with 'hopefully we sack the manager' style comments. I don't see how certain posters want him to succeed but slate him at every opportunity. I guess people's opinions differ, and that's fine, i'm no huge JMC fan, in fact i would have parted ways end of last season. The issue now though, we're stuck with him. Maguire has pulled a few decent deals lately, which seem to have clouded everyones judgement on the man that wrongly offered JM an extension that could end up having large financial impact. JM could win the next 5 games, but if the football is poor, we'll still have people wanting his head, that's the fact. He's associated with the Burr era, which doesn't help him and 2017 just nails his coffin for most of us. Whether the manager is who we want, we still need fans going and getting behind their team, i hope for around 2000 through the gate. I'm no JM fan, but i'm a Chester fan and want us to see success. It was the CFU board who gave McCarthy the contract. If you're studying A-level Business Studies I'm sure it will become apparent when you get to the bit about the Board endorsing the strong input of the CEO.
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Post by dmcnally on Aug 17, 2017 13:43:44 GMT
It was the CFU board who gave McCarthy the contract. If you're studying A-level Business Studies I'm sure it will become apparent when you get to the bit about the Board endorsing the strong input of the CEO. I'll repeat myself again then; the CFU board decided upon giving McCarthy a new contract. Maguire is below the board.
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Post by rcb on Aug 17, 2017 14:26:02 GMT
So Maguire is below the board. Is that the opposite of being above board? Either a very naive view, or perhaps you're studying politics. No repetition however, as you said on the first occasion the board "gave" the contract. I'm sure this is absolutely true. You then said the board "decided upon giving", which is a different situation. My opinion, and that of others, is that Maguire had all but made the decision, because that is part of the role of CEO, and the board ratified his recommendation.
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Post by sqzl on Aug 17, 2017 14:26:50 GMT
If you're studying A-level Business Studies I'm sure it will become apparent when you get to the bit about the Board endorsing the strong input of the CEO. I'll repeat myself again then; the CFU board decided upon giving McCarthy a new contract. Maguire is below the board. I won't try to patronise like some others because of your age. However, i do think Alan (who posts on here) may have more of an idea on who would hold influence when it comes to managerial contacts. I can't imagine the MM had no input on the decision (personal opinion). My bringing him up though, was simple to emphasise the fact JM can't help that fact he was offered this deal, and he would have been a fool not to take it. Whether we like it or not, the personnel behind that decision may prove costly, given the dwindling attendances due to entertainment value.
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Post by billyw on Aug 17, 2017 14:33:56 GMT
I agree, there was rumours of dressing room unrest last season with Johnny Hunt, who many people including myself saw as potential captain material.
To quote JM , That's three games where we haven't been beaten and we've only conceded two goals.
Sounds fantastic but lets just look at the facts here: its three teams we have played who all still sit below us in the league having played a game more ! Fylde have yet to win a game and have shipped 9 goals in their three other games. Halifax have yet to win a game and have conceded 4 goals in their three other games. Hartlepools have yet to win a game and have conceded 4 goals in their three other games
We have yet to score more than once in a game.
But on a positive note, we are not conceding as many goals I grant you that. We have by far the best strike force we have ever had since we reformed ( Wildey would still get in any team now though btw) So if we can get the strikers scoring, we have the making of a good team here.
And here lies the problem, the manager has said so himself its the best squad since we reformed, he is arguably right, why are we happy with a point then against teams who sit below us, we should be beating teams like these if indeed we have the best squad blah blah. The reason why we are not, is we are playing far too defensive, we are missing out the midfield, not playing with width and playing strikers out of position. Everyone can see this except the manager it seems.
Spot on. McCarthy goes on about 3 games unbeaten - he could just as easily say 3 games without a win. The deluded one would probably be happy going through the season drawing games which would inevitably lead to relegation.
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Post by bluefrombirth on Aug 17, 2017 14:51:41 GMT
So Maguire is below the board. Is that the opposite of being above board? Either a very naive view, or perhaps you're studying politics. No repetition however, as you said on the first occasion the board "gave" the contract. I'm sure this is absolutely true. You then said the board "decided upon giving", which is a different situation. My opinion, and that of others, is that Maguire had all but made the decision, because that is part of the role of CEO, and the board ratified his recommendation. The Board has always and will always appoint the manager, from my understanding, including any extensions. It may seek experienced opinions in this process, a CEO normally would be included, but there is no reason why it would have to, should it not feel the need. Lets rewind... Macca is appointed as both the assistant manager of Chester FC and subsequently the CEO of the Comm Trust. As a very experience player and highly qualified coach, he's much respected amongst the playing squad. When Burr's sacked, he galvanises the team with four games to go, producing impressive football to avoid the drop. Given a 12 month contract. Starts the season with a few okay results, then goes on an incredible run of form, resulting in Chester being up to 7th and one of the best defensive records in England. Not to shabby. A manager who's done this in his first managerial post, on a comparatively small budget, only has 6 months on his contract left. Now, other clubs come looking. Macca's on a small wage and a short contract. Those interest parties become more serious by the day. What do you do? Let the high flying manager get pinched, losing two managers in the space of six months and a man who knows so much about the way in which the club is run. I think not. You can't out bid the bigger clubs with finances, as we well know, but you can offer the security of a longer term contract. From what i understand the board did the right thing at the time for the club, no-one was complaining then.
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Post by billyw on Aug 17, 2017 14:59:02 GMT
So Maguire is below the board. Is that the opposite of being above board? Either a very naive view, or perhaps you're studying politics. No repetition however, as you said on the first occasion the board "gave" the contract. I'm sure this is absolutely true. You then said the board "decided upon giving", which is a different situation. My opinion, and that of others, is that Maguire had all but made the decision, because that is part of the role of CEO, and the board ratified his recommendation. The Board has always and will always appoint the manager, from my understanding, including any extensions. It may seek experienced opinions in this process, a CEO normally would be included, but there is no reason why it would have to, should it not feel the need. Lets rewind... Macca is appointed as both the assistant manager of Chester FC and subsequently the CEO of the Comm Trust. As a very experience player and highly qualified coach, he's much respected amongst the playing squad. When Burr's sacked, he galvanises the team with four games to go, producing impressive football to avoid the drop. Given a 12 month contract. Starts the season with a few okay results, then goes on an incredible run of form, resulting in Chester being up to 7th and one of the best defensive records in England. Not to shabby. A manager who's done this in his first managerial post, on a comparatively small budget, only has 6 months on his contract left. Now, other clubs come looking. Macca's on a small wage and a short contract. Those interest parties become more serious by the day. What do you do? Let the high flying manager get pinched, losing two managers in the space of six months and a man who knows so much about the way in which the club is run. I think not. You can't out bid the bigger clubs with finances, as we well know, but you can offer the security of a longer term contract. From what i understand the board did the right thing at the time for the club, no-one was complaining then. Remind me, was McCarthy's contract extended before or after Sharps left.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 15:15:47 GMT
I agree, there was rumours of dressing room unrest last season with Johnny Hunt, who many people including myself saw as potential captain material.
To quote JM , That's three games where we haven't been beaten and we've only conceded two goals.
Sounds fantastic but lets just look at the facts here: its three teams we have played who all still sit below us in the league having played a game more ! Fylde have yet to win a game and have shipped 9 goals in their three other games. Halifax have yet to win a game and have conceded 4 goals in their three other games. Hartlepools have yet to win a game and have conceded 4 goals in their three other games
We have yet to score more than once in a game.
But on a positive note, we are not conceding as many goals I grant you that. We have by far the best strike force we have ever had since we reformed ( Wildey would still get in any team now though btw) So if we can get the strikers scoring, we have the making of a good team here.
And here lies the problem, the manager has said so himself its the best squad since we reformed, he is arguably right, why are we happy with a point then against teams who sit below us, we should be beating teams like these if indeed we have the best squad blah blah. The reason why we are not, is we are playing far too defensive, we are missing out the midfield, not playing with width and playing strikers out of position. Everyone can see this except the manager it seems.
Spot on. McCarthy goes on about 3 games unbeaten - he could just as easily say 3 games without a win. The deluded one would probably be happy going through the season drawing games which would inevitably lead to relegation. From his Chronicle interview: "We have to look at a game plan to be able to stop other teams initially and then try and add to it." Therein I think lies the major cause of the rumblings of discontent. How long is it since we really bossed a game especially at home? I for one would not be displeased if we drew or lost the odd game but gave ourselves every chance of a win most games by asserting ourselves over the opposition rather than appearing to be held on the leash and feeding off scraps. A W12/D5/L6 home record with F40/A25 goals, for example, at the end of the season, would not be the end of the world Crowd revenue is THE major source of our club's income, we can't afford to squander the opportunity to increase it by attempting to provide at least a modicum of entertainment.
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Post by sqzl on Aug 17, 2017 15:36:09 GMT
Spot on. McCarthy goes on about 3 games unbeaten - he could just as easily say 3 games without a win. The deluded one would probably be happy going through the season drawing games which would inevitably lead to relegation. From his Chronicle interview: "We have to look at a game plan to be able to stop other teams initially and then try and add to it." Therein I think lies the major cause of the rumblings of discontent. How long is it since we really bossed a game especially at home? I for one would not be displeased if we drew or lost the odd game but gave ourselves every chance of a win most games by asserting ourselves over the opposition rather than appearing to be held on the leash and feeding off scraps. A W12/D5/L6 home record with F40/A25 goals, for example, at the end of the season, would not be the end of the worldCrowd revenue is THE major source of our club's income, we can't afford to squander the opportunity to increase it by attempting to provide at least a modicum of entertainment. NOT BE THE END OF THE WORLD? It would likely be playoff form so no it would be far from that! Bare in mind that would be an average of 1.83pt a match!A total of 81 points across a season if replicated away! I think you're right in most of what you're saying though. We got an early goal at H'Pool and could easily have tried to push on and take advantage of a heavily hostile crowd. Didn't happen and ended up lucky to get a point.
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Post by embalmer on Aug 17, 2017 15:48:39 GMT
Spot on. McCarthy goes on about 3 games unbeaten - he could just as easily say 3 games without a win. The deluded one would probably be happy going through the season drawing games which would inevitably lead to relegation. From his Chronicle interview: "We have to look at a game plan to be able to stop other teams initially and then try and add to it."
This is literally the EXACT opposite of what he said at the pre-season CFU meeting where he said - " we'll always be positive and take it to teams, we're good enough to do that."
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 15:55:03 GMT
From his Chronicle interview: "We have to look at a game plan to be able to stop other teams initially and then try and add to it." Therein I think lies the major cause of the rumblings of discontent. How long is it since we really bossed a game especially at home? I for one would not be displeased if we drew or lost the odd game but gave ourselves every chance of a win most games by asserting ourselves over the opposition rather than appearing to be held on the leash and feeding off scraps. A W12/D5/L6 home record with F40/A25 goals, for example, at the end of the season, would not be the end of the worldCrowd revenue is THE major source of our club's income, we can't afford to squander the opportunity to increase it by attempting to provide at least a modicum of entertainment. NOT BE THE END OF THE WORLD? It would likely be playoff form so no it would be far from that! Bare in mind that would be an average of 1.83pt a match!A total of 81 points across a season if replicated away! I think you're right in most of what you're saying though. We got an early goal at H'Pool and could easily have tried to push on and take advantage of a heavily hostile crowd. Didn't happen and ended up lucky to get a point. I did say it was an example for home form! Yep, if we were to do the same away we'd all be ecstatic and we'd be almost certainly in the playoffs! However, this is not very likely. Maybe for completeness sake, say we gained 25 points on the road, that would give us 66 pts, a decent season but a home record which would, I suspect, be acceptable to most people because it would imply some decent performances at home, something we're in short supply of.
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Post by tarvinblue on Aug 17, 2017 17:08:34 GMT
From his Chronicle interview: "We have to look at a game plan to be able to stop other teams initially and then try and add to it."
This is literally the EXACT opposite of what he said at the pre-season CFU meeting where he said - " we'll always be positive and take it to teams, we're good enough to do that." Just about sums up his communication - one of constant contradiction. Let's be honest, he is going to need a massive run of good form to turn around perception. At some point we will win a game of football and I've no doubt his handful of fans will be on here then telling us how wonderful he is. We have averaged less than a point a game for the last 6 months of competitive football. Who can possibly defend that and be surprised that fans are outraged that it's been allowed? Let's hope Maguire and the CFU board are holding a review of his performance sooner rather than later.
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Post by billyw on Aug 17, 2017 17:18:11 GMT
Agreed. Love the bit about how good we are tactically. It would be a good thing if McCarthy refrained from speaking to the media as he is sounding more and more ridiculous. He has made a rod for his own back though by saying this is the best squad we've had, so by implication, if they don't perform, McCarthy must take responsibility. The only bit that sounds poor is mention of tactics, because none of us actually agree he's got it right tactically so far. The rest doesn't sound poor, we do have a better squad of players. I'd agree he will have to take blame this season should it not go our way, not skirt the issues. The problem is, we've not lost, could easily be sitting on 6 points from 4 without losing had we played Solihull. I guess it's about giving him 10 games and seeing where we are then. I'd say 12-14 points is a minimum or axe him. A few months ago he was saying Blaine Hudson was his best ever signing - I dismiss everything that comes out of his mouth as total boll..ks personally.
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Post by spencerwhelanleftpeg on Aug 17, 2017 17:34:18 GMT
Back to previous posts and decisions made by the board and the timing of the contract extension. Which was concluded after the end of the season? If someone can provide info on the reasons a and rational for the two year deal aside from continuity I'd be very grateful. I'm sorry but rewarding the second half of last season is laughable. I get trying to build things up slowly becoming more competitive, budget on the rise etc and what MM has done deserves credit. It costs me £60 or more to attend home games. I expect some sort of entertainment.
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Post by hanoiblue on Aug 17, 2017 17:44:40 GMT
2-2 with Hannah and White on the scoresheet. Another draw and another crazy 'we've not been beaten yet' 'one of the lowest budgets in the league' 'solid display' interviews by JM at full-time.
Doesn't seem to matter if we're home or away now- same instructions will be given- don't let them score, waste time if we're under pressure late in the game etc etc.
Att: 1658 (which will only keep getting lower if we place this kind of football for the rest of the season- win or lose).
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Post by rcb on Aug 17, 2017 17:51:33 GMT
So Maguire is below the board. Is that the opposite of being above board? Either a very naive view, or perhaps you're studying politics. No repetition however, as you said on the first occasion the board "gave" the contract. I'm sure this is absolutely true. You then said the board "decided upon giving", which is a different situation. My opinion, and that of others, is that Maguire had all but made the decision, because that is part of the role of CEO, and the board ratified his recommendation. The Board has always and will always appoint the manager, from my understanding, including any extensions. It may seek experienced opinions in this process, a CEO normally would be included, but there is no reason why it would have to, should it not feel the need. Lets rewind... Macca is appointed as both the assistant manager of Chester FC and subsequently the CEO of the Comm Trust. As a very experience player and highly qualified coach, he's much respected amongst the playing squad. When Burr's sacked, he galvanises the team with four games to go, producing impressive football to avoid the drop. Given a 12 month contract. Starts the season with a few okay results, then goes on an incredible run of form, resulting in Chester being up to 7th and one of the best defensive records in England. Not to shabby. A manager who's done this in his first managerial post, on a comparatively small budget, only has 6 months on his contract left. Now, other clubs come looking. Macca's on a small wage and a short contract. Those interest parties become more serious by the day. What do you do? Let the high flying manager get pinched, losing two managers in the space of six months and a man who knows so much about the way in which the club is run. I think not. You can't out bid the bigger clubs with finances, as we well know, but you can offer the security of a longer term contract. From what i understand the board did the right thing at the time for the club, no-one was complaining then. Your rewind button is broken. McCarthy was NOT appointed as assistant manager. He was appointed as First Team Coach. Gary Jones was the assistant manager. It was Burr who ensured Gary Jones was ousted to put a full stop on the remains of Neil Young's regime. In my opinion the board, having decided to get rid of Burr, failed to deal with the whole problem. McCarthy should have gone at the same time.
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Post by blueisthecolour on Aug 17, 2017 20:34:30 GMT
The Board has always and will always appoint the manager, from my understanding, including any extensions. It may seek experienced opinions in this process, a CEO normally would be included, but there is no reason why it would have to, should it not feel the need. Lets rewind... Macca is appointed as both the assistant manager of Chester FC and subsequently the CEO of the Comm Trust. As a very experience player and highly qualified coach, he's much respected amongst the playing squad. When Burr's sacked, he galvanises the team with four games to go, producing impressive football to avoid the drop. Given a 12 month contract. Starts the season with a few okay results, then goes on an incredible run of form, resulting in Chester being up to 7th and one of the best defensive records in England. Not to shabby. A manager who's done this in his first managerial post, on a comparatively small budget, only has 6 months on his contract left. Now, other clubs come looking. Macca's on a small wage and a short contract. Those interest parties become more serious by the day. What do you do? Let the high flying manager get pinched, losing two managers in the space of six months and a man who knows so much about the way in which the club is run. I think not. You can't out bid the bigger clubs with finances, as we well know, but you can offer the security of a longer term contract. From what i understand the board did the right thing at the time for the club, no-one was complaining then. Remind me, was McCarthy's contract extended before or after Sharps left. Remind me which other Clubs were interested in him? what the hell were we doing giving him a 2 year extension because Port Vale were just mentioned in passing.
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Post by soulseal on Aug 17, 2017 22:05:45 GMT
3-0 to the blues hat-trick to Hannah.
Yes alright, it's ridiculously optimistic, but why not. We did not predict the big home wins early last season but they happened.
We've only played 3 games for Christ sake and too many fans are drawing conclusions. This is a new team and still finding their way. We can see where they are failing to control games with too much hoofball. It's interesting that one of our most highly rated players Astles is the biggest culprit in this. I am sure this will be remedied.
Let's give these players a chance, they are battling and clearly more competitive than the end of last season.
Whatever you think of Macca give the players your backing, encouragement and belief.
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Post by sqzl on Aug 17, 2017 23:41:03 GMT
The Board has always and will always appoint the manager, from my understanding, including any extensions. It may seek experienced opinions in this process, a CEO normally would be included, but there is no reason why it would have to, should it not feel the need. Lets rewind... Macca is appointed as both the assistant manager of Chester FC and subsequently the CEO of the Comm Trust. As a very experience player and highly qualified coach, he's much respected amongst the playing squad. When Burr's sacked, he galvanises the team with four games to go, producing impressive football to avoid the drop. Given a 12 month contract. Starts the season with a few okay results, then goes on an incredible run of form, resulting in Chester being up to 7th and one of the best defensive records in England. Not to shabby. A manager who's done this in his first managerial post, on a comparatively small budget, only has 6 months on his contract left. Now, other clubs come looking. Macca's on a small wage and a short contract. Those interest parties become more serious by the day. What do you do? Let the high flying manager get pinched, losing two managers in the space of six months and a man who knows so much about the way in which the club is run. I think not. You can't out bid the bigger clubs with finances, as we well know, but you can offer the security of a longer term contract. From what i understand the board did the right thing at the time for the club, no-one was complaining then. Your rewind button is broken. McCarthy was NOT appointed as assistant manager. He was appointed as First Team Coach. Gary Jones was the assistant manager. It was Burr who ensured Gary Jones was ousted to put a full stop on the remains of Neil Young's regime. In my opinion the board, having decided to get rid of Burr, failed to deal with the whole problem. McCarthy should have gone at the same time. Would agree on the last sentence he should have gone with Burr. I can also see why he didn't though. Burr was on a rumoured 55k a year with us. His sacking meant a pay off that ended up leaving us short. For JM to have joined him we would be lookin at more money on payouts. Fact is, 99% of us would have been fine to see the back of him with Burr, but we didn't and now we've got him. He's a genuine nice bloke that without question gives everything, but I'm not sure it's enough. These players need more time before being judged, especially the new lads. If after 10 games we are playing the same poor football but have 18 points (optimistic) then what do we do? That's playoff form across a season based on last years standings. It's unlikely of course, but could happen.
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Post by brettpaton23 on Aug 18, 2017 2:03:03 GMT
Sutton look quite handy, so I'll go for a tough 1-1 with Akintunde on the scoresheet and perhaps a red card or 2
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Aug 18, 2017 6:06:12 GMT
People on here have seemed remarkably relaxed about our inability to create anything. To have any chance of a result tomorrow though the lads will need to do more than sit back hoping for the best.
I'd like to see us work their keeper a lot more and properly utilise the attacking threat we have with Hannah and Akintunde. The midfield will need to impose itself on the game much more too, the usual John McCarthy way of total anonymity won't be good enough against Sutton.
Above all, I just want to see some evidence that McCarthy knows what he's doing that we're going to be able to compete this season. Personally, I don't feel like I have yet.
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Post by Hannibal on Aug 18, 2017 8:33:32 GMT
The Board has always and will always appoint the manager, from my understanding, including any extensions. It may seek experienced opinions in this process, a CEO normally would be included, but there is no reason why it would have to, should it not feel the need. Lets rewind... Macca is appointed as both the assistant manager of Chester FC and subsequently the CEO of the Comm Trust. As a very experience player and highly qualified coach, he's much respected amongst the playing squad. When Burr's sacked, he galvanises the team with four games to go, producing impressive football to avoid the drop. Given a 12 month contract. Starts the season with a few okay results, then goes on an incredible run of form, resulting in Chester being up to 7th and one of the best defensive records in England. Not to shabby. A manager who's done this in his first managerial post, on a comparatively small budget, only has 6 months on his contract left. Now, other clubs come looking. Macca's on a small wage and a short contract. Those interest parties become more serious by the day. What do you do? Let the high flying manager get pinched, losing two managers in the space of six months and a man who knows so much about the way in which the club is run. I think not. You can't out bid the bigger clubs with finances, as we well know, but you can offer the security of a longer term contract. From what i understand the board did the right thing at the time for the club, no-one was complaining then. Your rewind button is broken. McCarthy was NOT appointed as assistant manager. He was appointed as First Team Coach. Gary Jones was the assistant manager. It was Burr who ensured Gary Jones was ousted to put a full stop on the remains of Neil Young's regime. In my opinion the board, having decided to get rid of Burr, failed to deal with the whole problem. McCarthy should have gone at the same time. Agree, but wouldn't McCarthy have kept his community role?
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Post by Rio Doherty on Aug 18, 2017 8:38:36 GMT
Your rewind button is broken. McCarthy was NOT appointed as assistant manager. He was appointed as First Team Coach. Gary Jones was the assistant manager. It was Burr who ensured Gary Jones was ousted to put a full stop on the remains of Neil Young's regime. In my opinion the board, having decided to get rid of Burr, failed to deal with the whole problem. McCarthy should have gone at the same time. Agree, but wouldn't McCarthy have kept his community role? Not if he was appointed as first team manager because it would be hard to balance the two roles out.
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Post by bluefrombirth on Aug 18, 2017 10:24:41 GMT
The Board has always and will always appoint the manager, from my understanding, including any extensions. It may seek experienced opinions in this process, a CEO normally would be included, but there is no reason why it would have to, should it not feel the need. Lets rewind... Macca is appointed as both the assistant manager of Chester FC and subsequently the CEO of the Comm Trust. As a very experience player and highly qualified coach, he's much respected amongst the playing squad. When Burr's sacked, he galvanises the team with four games to go, producing impressive football to avoid the drop. Given a 12 month contract. Starts the season with a few okay results, then goes on an incredible run of form, resulting in Chester being up to 7th and one of the best defensive records in England. Not to shabby. A manager who's done this in his first managerial post, on a comparatively small budget, only has 6 months on his contract left. Now, other clubs come looking. Macca's on a small wage and a short contract. Those interest parties become more serious by the day. What do you do? Let the high flying manager get pinched, losing two managers in the space of six months and a man who knows so much about the way in which the club is run. I think not. You can't out bid the bigger clubs with finances, as we well know, but you can offer the security of a longer term contract. From what i understand the board did the right thing at the time for the club, no-one was complaining then. Your rewind button is broken. McCarthy was NOT appointed as assistant manager. He was appointed as First Team Coach. Gary Jones was the assistant manager. It was Burr who ensured Gary Jones was ousted to put a full stop on the remains of Neil Young's regime. In my opinion the board, having decided to get rid of Burr, failed to deal with the whole problem. McCarthy should have gone at the same time. It isn't. To appoint is to 'assign a role or job to someone', he was employed by us as a coach initially and subsequently appointed to the two positions referenced. Gary Jones was and is a top bloke, but he wasn't managerial material. Like young, he covered the basics.The performance's on the pitch we're due to the fact we outspent everyone in our first three years. We had the better players, in every position on the pitch than our opponents. And if we needed more, we just offered an increased wage to a player at a opponent, who could leave on the spot, because there we're no solid contracts at those levels. Winning was inevitable. Then we came to the Conference, we could no longer outspend other clubs and we began to fall apart. We had a decent team, but it wasn't coach or managed correctly, and we correctly sacked Youngie before we we're dead in the water. And Macca defiantly shouldn't 'have gone at the same time' as he stopped us getting relegated that season. Or have you forgotten that. I'm not being in Macca's 'camp' but some of you need to apply a bit of common sense, when looking at things retrospectively. You are right to question his tactics now, but like most sensible posters on DC have alluded to, he has to be given a 10 game grace to show us whether he is up to it, or not.
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Post by southernblue on Aug 18, 2017 10:57:16 GMT
Been a long time since I made a home game, looking to take this one in. Going 2-1 Chester but a tough one to predict, we could finally start firing on all cylinders or we could get spanked.
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