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Post by livinginhope on Aug 18, 2017 11:12:06 GMT
The Board has always and will always appoint the manager, from my understanding, including any extensions. It may seek experienced opinions in this process, a CEO normally would be included, but there is no reason why it would have to, should it not feel the need. Lets rewind... Macca is appointed as both the assistant manager of Chester FC and subsequently the CEO of the Comm Trust. As a very experience player and highly qualified coach, he's much respected amongst the playing squad. When Burr's sacked, he galvanises the team with four games to go, producing impressive football to avoid the drop. Given a 12 month contract. Starts the season with a few okay results, then goes on an incredible run of form, resulting in Chester being up to 7th and one of the best defensive records in England. Not to shabby. A manager who's done this in his first managerial post, on a comparatively small budget, only has 6 months on his contract left. Now, other clubs come looking. Macca's on a small wage and a short contract. Those interest parties become more serious by the day. What do you do? Let the high flying manager get pinched, losing two managers in the space of six months and a man who knows so much about the way in which the club is run. I think not. You can't out bid the bigger clubs with finances, as we well know, but you can offer the security of a longer term contract. From what i understand the board did the right thing at the time for the club, no-one was complaining then. Very good post that puts things in perspective! The decision to give him an extended contract has backfired, but we had just gone on a run of 1 loss in 17 games and that superb run of clean sheets. There is no way the board could have foreseen the terrible run of form that was to follow. We were happy at the time, and it's easy to say in hindsight that McCarthy should have gone with Burr, but it wasn't a bad decision at the time to extend his contract as we were in with a shout of the playoffs amongst some strong sides with better resources. |
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Post by Dodge on Aug 18, 2017 11:50:19 GMT
The Board has always and will always appoint the manager, from my understanding, including any extensions. It may seek experienced opinions in this process, a CEO normally would be included, but there is no reason why it would have to, should it not feel the need. Lets rewind... Macca is appointed as both the assistant manager of Chester FC and subsequently the CEO of the Comm Trust. As a very experience player and highly qualified coach, he's much respected amongst the playing squad. When Burr's sacked, he galvanises the team with four games to go, producing impressive football to avoid the drop. Given a 12 month contract. Starts the season with a few okay results, then goes on an incredible run of form, resulting in Chester being up to 7th and one of the best defensive records in England. Not to shabby. A manager who's done this in his first managerial post, on a comparatively small budget, only has 6 months on his contract left. Now, other clubs come looking. Macca's on a small wage and a short contract. Those interest parties become more serious by the day. What do you do? Let the high flying manager get pinched, losing two managers in the space of six months and a man who knows so much about the way in which the club is run. I think not. You can't out bid the bigger clubs with finances, as we well know, but you can offer the security of a longer term contract. From what i understand the board did the right thing at the time for the club, no-one was complaining then. Remind me, was McCarthy's contract extended before or after Sharps left. It's interesting reading the Deva Chat thread when his contract was extended. Why didn't you raise your concerns that our success was all down to Sharps then, Billy? You even commented on the thread to concur with a point that fans need to stick with McCarthy during any "sticky patches" (not suggesting 0 home wins in 8 months is just a sticky patch, mind). Hindsight is a wonderful thing, and whilst at this moment in time it looks as though the Board may have made a mistake in the length of the contract, nobody at that point would have thought things would end up the way they have, as evidenced by the positive reaction on that thread. |
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Post by iandychesterfc on Aug 18, 2017 12:10:48 GMT
Ouch Dodge, that facts shit is brutal  |
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Post by Lobster on Aug 18, 2017 13:26:03 GMT
Remind me, was McCarthy's contract extended before or after Sharps left. It's interesting reading the Deva Chat thread when his contract was extended. Why didn't you raise your concerns that our success was all down to Sharps then, Billy? You even commented on the thread to concur with a point that fans need to stick with McCarthy during any "sticky patches" (not suggesting 0 home wins in 8 months is just a sticky patch, mind). Hindsight is a wonderful thing, and whilst at this moment in time it looks as though the Board may have made a mistake in the length of the contract, nobody at that point would have thought things would end up the way they have, as evidenced by the positive reaction on that thread. Yes, easy to forget at one point we were frightened of losing McCarthy to Tranmere after they sacked Brabin. I really don't think you can blame the board for what they did. A club of our size and set-up needs to be appointing managers will a view towards them being here at least a couple of seasons. |
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Post by tarvinblue on Aug 18, 2017 14:32:39 GMT
It's interesting reading the Deva Chat thread when his contract was extended. Why didn't you raise your concerns that our success was all down to Sharps then, Billy? You even commented on the thread to concur with a point that fans need to stick with McCarthy during any "sticky patches" (not suggesting 0 home wins in 8 months is just a sticky patch, mind). Hindsight is a wonderful thing, and whilst at this moment in time it looks as though the Board may have made a mistake in the length of the contract, nobody at that point would have thought things would end up the way they have, as evidenced by the positive reaction on that thread. Yes, easy to forget at one point we were frightened of losing McCarthy to Tranmere after they sacked Brabin. I really don't think you can blame the board for what they did. A club of our size and set-up needs to be appointing managers will a view towards them being here at least a couple of seasons. Let's be honest, Ian Sharps got Jon the job originally and he got him the two and a half year extension. The only points we have been competitive since Jon took over were when Sharps was stood next to him, and McCarthy has lived off the back of it on both occasions. It took a few games for the work to unravel in late November/early December but once it had, everything was lost. I'm not sure anyone fully appreciated the impact that change would have when Jon was given his new deal. I would like to have hoped that the club would have learnt from the Steve Burr saga and, however giddy they were about McCarthy, inserted some important performance clauses in his contract. Let's hope that, if it comes to it, they have. |
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Post by Hannibal on Aug 18, 2017 14:41:11 GMT
Agree, but wouldn't McCarthy have kept his community role? Not if he was appointed as first team manager because it would be hard to balance the two roles out. You got wrong end of stick Rio. I meant if he was sacked (along with Burr) from his role as first team coach. |
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Post by Hannibal on Aug 18, 2017 14:49:43 GMT
Your rewind button is broken. McCarthy was NOT appointed as assistant manager. He was appointed as First Team Coach. Gary Jones was the assistant manager. It was Burr who ensured Gary Jones was ousted to put a full stop on the remains of Neil Young's regime. In my opinion the board, having decided to get rid of Burr, failed to deal with the whole problem. McCarthy should have gone at the same time. It isn't. To appoint is to 'assign a role or job to someone', he was employed by us as a coach initially and subsequently appointed to the two positions referenced. Gary Jones was and is a top bloke, but he wasn't managerial material. Like young, he covered the basics.The performance's on the pitch we're due to the fact we outspent everyone in our first three years. We had the better players, in every position on the pitch than our opponents. And if we needed more, we just offered an increased wage to a player at a opponent, who could leave on the spot, because there we're no solid contracts at those levels. Winning was inevitable. Then we came to the Conference, we could no longer outspend other clubs and we began to fall apart. We had a decent team, but it wasn't coach or managed correctly, and we correctly sacked Youngie before we we're dead in the water. And Macca defiantly shouldn't 'have gone at the same time' as he stopped us getting relegated that season. Or have you forgotten that. I'm not being in Macca's 'camp' but some of you need to apply a bit of common sense, when looking at things retrospectively. You are right to question his tactics now, but like most sensible posters on DC have alluded to, he has to be given a 10 game grace to show us whether he is up to it, or not. Youngie, as you call him, wasn't sacked. |
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Post by billyw on Aug 18, 2017 15:01:35 GMT
Remind me, was McCarthy's contract extended before or after Sharps left. It's interesting reading the Deva Chat thread when his contract was extended. Why didn't you raise your concerns that our success was all down to Sharps then, Billy? You even commented on the thread to concur with a point that fans need to stick with McCarthy during any "sticky patches" (not suggesting 0 home wins in 8 months is just a sticky patch, mind). Hindsight is a wonderful thing, and whilst at this moment in time it looks as though the Board may have made a mistake in the length of the contract, nobody at that point would have thought things would end up the way they have, as evidenced by the positive reaction on that thread. You have been a bit selective in your research - if you looked at the thread about Sharps going to Walsall, you will see that I did express concern. As far as my posting on the thread you mention, my comment was neither an endorsement of McCarthy nor a criticism,simply stating that 'it was not in a supporters psyche to support a manager through sticky patches' and attached an appropriate emoli attached. My original question as to when McCarthys contract was extended was a genuine question because I couldn't remember. Yes hindsight is a wonderful thing and to some extent i can understand the Board taking the action they did at that time. Let's not forget that McCarthy is very eloquent and talks a good game so it was easy to be swayed by him. It is only when we get to know him better that we realise he talks a load of Bol---ks. |
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Post by bluefrombirth on Aug 18, 2017 16:49:37 GMT
It isn't. To appoint is to 'assign a role or job to someone', he was employed by us as a coach initially and subsequently appointed to the two positions referenced. Gary Jones was and is a top bloke, but he wasn't managerial material. Like young, he covered the basics.The performance's on the pitch we're due to the fact we outspent everyone in our first three years. We had the better players, in every position on the pitch than our opponents. And if we needed more, we just offered an increased wage to a player at a opponent, who could leave on the spot, because there we're no solid contracts at those levels. Winning was inevitable. Then we came to the Conference, we could no longer outspend other clubs and we began to fall apart. We had a decent team, but it wasn't coach or managed correctly, and we correctly sacked Youngie before we we're dead in the water. And Macca defiantly shouldn't 'have gone at the same time' as he stopped us getting relegated that season. Or have you forgotten that. I'm not being in Macca's 'camp' but some of you need to apply a bit of common sense, when looking at things retrospectively. You are right to question his tactics now, but like most sensible posters on DC have alluded to, he has to be given a 10 game grace to show us whether he is up to it, or not. Youngie, as you call him, wasn't sacked. He left by 'mutual consent' you are technically correct, but as well all know that's being sacked in football. Exactly the same as when someones been with a business a long time, they have their role made redundant, instead of them getting the straight up can. |
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Post by Lobster on Aug 18, 2017 17:23:30 GMT
I always thought the timing of Young's sacking/departure was pretty terrible. People forget that the three or four performances before he went were pretty good, and he was sacked something like 11 days after the last fixture and with the transfer window almost over, which didn't really make any sense. I think he deserved more time and might have got it right. Sacking/parting company with Young then was a lot more harsh than sacking McCarthy now would be in my opinion.
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Post by jb on Aug 18, 2017 17:24:24 GMT
Right back on track with the Sutton preview.... looking at their defence it looks slow with Spence, Beckwith and Downer. Amankwaah must be late 30's by now. Now then Jon how about playing this game with pace and stretching it so that Mahon, Hannah and Super Ak can use their pace against a slow defence? If we do that I fancy a few Chester goals.
Please no stupid long ball or 10 behind the ball Jon, go for it!
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Post by tarvinblue on Aug 18, 2017 17:27:29 GMT
I always thought the timing of Young's sacking/departure was pretty terrible. People forget that the three or four performances before he went were pretty good, and he was sacked something like 11 days after the last fixture and with the transfer window almost over, which didn't really make any sense. I think he deserved more time and might have got it right. Sacking/parting company with Young then was a lot more harsh than sacking McCarthy now would be in my opinion. I think the Burr situation was quite similar. There must be a need for consensus on the board before action is taken. I can imagine the board being split on matters such as these, meaning it drags on until they are left with no choice. This is why I can't see McCarthy going anywhere soon, no matter what the outcome of the next few months. That and the potential financial implications. At most clubs there will be one person who ultimately hires and fires. |
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Post by dmcnally on Aug 18, 2017 17:57:00 GMT
This is literally the EXACT opposite of what he said at the pre-season CFU meeting where he said - " we'll always be positive and take it to teams, we're good enough to do that." Just about sums up his communication - one of constant contradiction. Let's be honest, he is going to need a massive run of good form to turn around perception. At some point we will win a game of football and I've no doubt his handful of fans will be on here then telling us how wonderful he is. We have averaged less than a point a game for the last 6 months of competitive football. Who can possibly defend that and be surprised that fans are outraged that it's been allowed? Let's hope Maguire and the CFU board are holding a review of his performance sooner rather than later. Have to agree with this. Think all of the fans who still want to give him time, me included, wouldn't be upset if he left or somehow took the Torquay job (or another vacancy). |
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Post by Hannibal on Aug 18, 2017 18:02:02 GMT
Youngie, as you call him, wasn't sacked. He left by 'mutual consent' you are technically correct, but as well all know that's being sacked in football. Exactly the same as when someones been with a business a long time, they have their role made redundant, instead of them getting the straight up can. He resigned. |
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Post by dmcnally on Aug 18, 2017 18:03:44 GMT
Just f#%*king entertain us tomorrow please Macca. Get us on the edge of our seats. Get the Harry Mac vocal. Come on..
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Post by rcb on Aug 18, 2017 18:08:43 GMT
Now aged 65, this is my first season on concession rate of £12. With the summer signings I had expected more and cannot believe absolutely no change. Takes a "special one" to turn quality signings into hoofball merchants so quickly.
Going tomorrow with absolutely no expectations whatsoever. More of a courtesy visit to say goodbye to those I sat amongst. Hope it won't be a long sabbatical but I won't be in the ground again as long as McCarthy is there.
Best wishes to all, especially the under thirties. Hope you end up with a club worthy of your support.
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Post by dmcnally on Aug 18, 2017 18:17:56 GMT
We were so defensive against Halifax and the only reason we didn't lose is because Halifax didn't have the quality to snatch the points.
Sutton do.
Defensive tactics simply will not work tomorrow. So come on McCarthy, live up to your recent interview and give us some attacking, expansive football. Another result similar to the one last year would be good!
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Post by agl on Aug 18, 2017 18:35:42 GMT
Now aged 65, this is my first season on concession rate of £12. With the summer signings I had expected more and cannot believe absolutely no change. Takes a "special one" to turn quality signings into hoofball merchants so quickly. Going tomorrow with absolutely no expectations whatsoever. More of a courtesy visit to say goodbye to those I sat amongst. Hope it won't be a long sabbatical but I won't be in the ground again as long as McCarthy is there. Best wishes to all, especially the under thirties. Hope you end up with a club worthy of your support. Attention seeker alert. Surprised you say you are 65, as you are coming across like an eight year old. Why do people have to announce they are not going? You must have see some dross down the years....say everyone throws the towel in - where does that leave the club? |
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Post by jb on Aug 18, 2017 18:46:13 GMT
Now aged 65, this is my first season on concession rate of £12. With the summer signings I had expected more and cannot believe absolutely no change. Takes a "special one" to turn quality signings into hoofball merchants so quickly. Going tomorrow with absolutely no expectations whatsoever. More of a courtesy visit to say goodbye to those I sat amongst. Hope it won't be a long sabbatical but I won't be in the ground again as long as McCarthy is there. Best wishes to all, especially the under thirties. Hope you end up with a club worthy of your support. Us Chester fans have seen off the likes of Gutterman, Smith and Vaughan but because the football's poor and McCarthy's in cloud cuckoo land you are not going to attend? It's rarely been tiki taka in the 20 plus years I've watched this proud club but it's my club and without each and every fans contribution (no matter how big or small) it won't continue to develop. I go most weeks hoping for beautiful football and it rarely happens but when it does the previous weeks abject displays are a distant memory. Without Chester FC the world would be a much darker place! |
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Post by Rio Doherty on Aug 18, 2017 18:46:52 GMT
Not if he was appointed as first team manager because it would be hard to balance the two roles out. You got wrong end of stick Rio. I meant if he was sacked (along with Burr) from his role as first team coach. Ok. If he was sacked along with Burr I would presume he would be sacked from all of his roles. It would seem strange to be relieved from first team coach duties whilst still being in charge of the Trust. |
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Post by Hannibal on Aug 18, 2017 18:50:33 GMT
You got wrong end of stick Rio. I meant if he was sacked (along with Burr) from his role as first team coach. Ok. If he was sacked along with Burr I would presume he would be sacked from all of his roles. It would seem strange to be relieved from first team coach duties whilst still being in charge of the Trust. I understood that the community role is completely separate from any football/coaching responsibilities. |
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Post by richard on Aug 18, 2017 18:55:13 GMT
Now aged 65, this is my first season on concession rate of £12. With the summer signings I had expected more and cannot believe absolutely no change. Takes a "special one" to turn quality signings into hoofball merchants so quickly. Going tomorrow with absolutely no expectations whatsoever. More of a courtesy visit to say goodbye to those I sat amongst. Hope it won't be a long sabbatical but I won't be in the ground again as long as McCarthy is there. Best wishes to all, especially the under thirties. Hope you end up with a club worthy of your support. We don't see eye to eye, but I'm sorry to hear that you are not going to come down to watch our team after tomorrow's game. Hope you change your mind. |
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Post by Rio Doherty on Aug 18, 2017 19:04:27 GMT
Now aged 65, this is my first season on concession rate of £12. With the summer signings I had expected more and cannot believe absolutely no change. Takes a "special one" to turn quality signings into hoofball merchants so quickly. Going tomorrow with absolutely no expectations whatsoever. More of a courtesy visit to say goodbye to those I sat amongst. Hope it won't be a long sabbatical but I won't be in the ground again as long as McCarthy is there. Best wishes to all, especially the under thirties. Hope you end up with a club worthy of your support. We don't see eye to eye, but I'm sorry to hear that you are not going to come down to watch our team after tomorrow's game. Hope you change your mind. He has probably just had a couple of drinks tonight. Hopefully he will change his mind. |
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Post by bing on Aug 18, 2017 19:26:58 GMT
I can remember some pretty dire football over the years - far worse than we are seeing at the moment. I'm sure there were dissenting voices back then - it probably feels worse now due to forums and social media. I hope people stick with us - after all, our club is in a far rosier place on the pitch and in the boardroom than recent phases in our history.
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Post by trublu on Aug 18, 2017 19:35:46 GMT
The Board has always and will always appoint the manager, from my understanding, including any extensions. It may seek experienced opinions in this process, a CEO normally would be included, but there is no reason why it would have to, should it not feel the need. Lets rewind... Macca is appointed as both the assistant manager of Chester FC and subsequently the CEO of the Comm Trust. As a very experience player and highly qualified coach, he's much respected amongst the playing squad. When Burr's sacked, he galvanises the team with four games to go, producing impressive football to avoid the drop. Given a 12 month contract. Starts the season with a few okay results, then goes on an incredible run of form, resulting in Chester being up to 7th and one of the best defensive records in England. Not to shabby. A manager who's done this in his first managerial post, on a comparatively small budget, only has 6 months on his contract left. Now, other clubs come looking. Macca's on a small wage and a short contract. Those interest parties become more serious by the day. What do you do? Let the high flying manager get pinched, losing two managers in the space of six months and a man who knows so much about the way in which the club is run. I think not. You can't out bid the bigger clubs with finances, as we well know, but you can offer the security of a longer term contract. From what i understand the board did the right thing at the time for the club, no-one was complaining then. Very good post that puts things in perspective! The decision to give him an extended contract has backfired, but we had just gone on a run of 1 loss in 17 games and that superb run of clean sheets. There is no way the board could have foreseen the terrible run of form that was to follow. We were happy at the time, and it's easy to say in hindsight that McCarthy should have gone with Burr, but it wasn't a bad decision at the time to extend his contract as we were in with a shout of the playoffs amongst some strong sides with better resources. Agreed, and Id go even further to say that McCarthy has actually guided us to safety through possibly the most difficult period of our short history. The last 4 games of the season before last was a marvellous turnaround working with a broken dressing room. Last season I dont think the budget was there and the team was made up of a group of players nobody else wanted really. We can probably view survival as a good outcome last season and its probably a bit overshadowed by the fact that it was all great till christmas and then fell apart spectacularly. (Something Chester fans will be particularly sensitive to.) I do worry that the rot has set in at this point. The results havent been terrible but the football has. I cant recall seeing a team defend as deep and narrow as we do. We're hamstrung in a way by the personnel we have because weve got 2 really decent CBs in their own right but youd say either one needs a bit of pace next to them to cover in behind. |
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Post by Rio Doherty on Aug 18, 2017 20:27:12 GMT
Just thought I would say that it is Jon McCarthy's birthday today!
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Post by yossergolf on Aug 18, 2017 21:07:20 GMT
The philosophy of every football fan should be to support the club through thick and thin, good times and bad. There are too many so called supporters at our club who do not fit in to this category. Yes it's poor, boring, lack of tactics etc etc but it is our club. Let's get behind the lads, you never know it might work
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Post by Si on Aug 18, 2017 21:17:58 GMT
I can remember some pretty dire football over the years - far worse than we are seeing at the moment. I'm sure there were dissenting voices back then - it probably feels worse now due to forums and social media. I hope people stick with us - after all, our club is in a far rosier place on the pitch and in the boardroom than recent phases in our history. Spot on. I don't look at us and think we are shit, just tactically naive and innapropriate. I've seen plenty of genuine cack over the years, whereas these days it's just downright boring. |
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Post by johnboy on Aug 18, 2017 22:17:00 GMT
First time poster. Supporter since the early 70s. My 85 yr old dad still a regular. Have stayed away from these sites as they generally negative and 75% nonsense.
BUT need to agree with Bing I too have seen some woeful football at Chester over the years and this team is NOWHERE near the worst.
This post is supposed to be about the game on Saturday but is just a slag McCarthy fest. After 3 games undefeated ! Really ! Just reinforces my views about the negative nature of a lot of posts on here.
While I'm on - prob first and last time. I was at Hartlepool, my first game this season, and sat with their fans (I hate watching football from the end of the pitch). When we scored the early goal, they were really rattled. We then played well for 20mins and had a couple of chances to go 2 up. That would have been game over. The creativity came from Mahon and Dawson with Akintundes pace really worried them. We were also the better team in early periods of the second half and as the game started to get stretched both teams had half chances. I think McCarthy didn't like it and went 4-5-1 to tighten it up. When the game is stretched our two centre back are too slow to cope, BUT they are very good at defending the edge of the box.
It was a good point. Hartlepool did not play like a bottom 4 club and I suspect will be in the playoffs by the end. We're solid and worked massively hard for each other. Much better full backs. More solid centre mid but not creative - a concern. Thought Mahon played well and caused them problems. - for me losing him was the main reason we struggled after xmas last year. Surprisingly Akintunde and Hannah did well up front together. Whites cameo was ok.
On balance, even after losing Hughes and Alabi, thought we looked a stronger side than last year.
Back to the game on Saturday. Very important. 1W 3D is a much nicer place than 3D 1L. Get behind your team.
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Post by Forever Blue on Aug 19, 2017 0:11:39 GMT
Back to the football I think we will be beat 4-0 by a strong Sutton team and JM will have no clue how to change it but in his interview he will say oh come on its a great start 3 draws and 1 loss the fans need to get behind us.
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