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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Aug 16, 2017 16:13:25 GMT
Are the club doing anything for this on Saturday?
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Post by Cestrian1987 on Aug 16, 2017 17:52:01 GMT
Christ, I hope not. Can't be arsed with more ridicule. (Excuse the pun)
Just realised you're on the wind up. Silly me.
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Post by durdy on Aug 16, 2017 17:53:06 GMT
Are you ?👨❤️💋👨😂
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Post by Lobster on Aug 16, 2017 17:58:29 GMT
We have supported it previously.
Think it's a good idea myself, inclusion and all that. Sadly, a large proportion of the football community always seems a bit in the dark ages on these things, as shown by the responses so far.
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Post by richard on Aug 16, 2017 18:10:40 GMT
We have supported it previously.
Think it's a good idea myself, inclusion and all that. Sadly, a large proportion of the football community always seems a bit in the dark ages on these things, as shown by the responses so far. Quite right. Football needs to wake up big time to this .
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Post by Malcolm Tucker on Aug 16, 2017 18:18:28 GMT
We have supported it previously.
Think it's a good idea myself, inclusion and all that. Sadly, a large proportion of the football community always seems a bit in the dark ages on these things, as shown by the responses so far. I would certainly hope so, as we still have some ignoramuses that follow us (evidently) and it is important we are seen to be forward thinking as a community club on equality issues.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Aug 16, 2017 19:01:55 GMT
Christ, I hope not. Can't be arsed with more ridicule. (Excuse the pun) Just realised you're on the wind up. Silly me. What do you mean I'm on the wind-up? One of the biggest events in the city every year and, as an inclusive community club we should be getting on board as we have done in the past.
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Post by Cestrian1987 on Aug 16, 2017 19:22:48 GMT
Christ, I hope not. Can't be arsed with more ridicule. (Excuse the pun) Just realised you're on the wind up. Silly me. What do you mean I'm on the wind-up? One of the biggest events in the city every year and, as an inclusive community club we should be getting on board as we have done in the past. Why? Do you think the gays are going to come to the game in their droves? I don't think that's going to happen, do you?
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Post by paulie on Aug 16, 2017 19:33:43 GMT
Not my cup of tea, if people want to be gay then get on it. I don't see the need in shoving these pride matches in other peoples faces. I could not care less what other people get up to behind closed doors.
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Post by Lobster on Aug 16, 2017 19:40:42 GMT
What do you mean I'm on the wind-up? One of the biggest events in the city every year and, as an inclusive community club we should be getting on board as we have done in the past. Why? Do you think the gays are going to come to the game in their droves? I don't think that's going to happen, do you? What if it just encourages one or two gay people to come to games, perhaps in the knowledge that they're involved at a club where they feel welcome and accepted?
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Post by paulie on Aug 16, 2017 19:48:16 GMT
Why? Do you think the gays are going to come to the game in their droves? I don't think that's going to happen, do you? What if it just encourages one or two gay people to come to games, perhaps in the knowledge that they're involved at a club where they feel welcome and accepted? They are welcome and will be accepted already. I didn't realise you had to fill out a questionnaire when going through the turnstiles at the deva about sexual orientation.
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Post by Cestrian1987 on Aug 16, 2017 19:54:36 GMT
What if it just encourages one or two gay people to come to games, perhaps in the knowledge that they're involved at a club where they feel welcome and accepted? They are welcome and will be accepted already. I didn't realise you had to fill out a questionnaire when going through the turnstiles at the deva about sexual orientation. Exactly.
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Post by Lobster on Aug 16, 2017 19:59:45 GMT
What if it just encourages one or two gay people to come to games, perhaps in the knowledge that they're involved at a club where they feel welcome and accepted? They are welcome and will be accepted already. I didn't realise you had to fill out a questionnaire when going through the turnstiles at the deva about sexual orientation. Course you don't, but it's hard to deny that football is lagging behind wider society somewhat when it comes to accepting homosexuality. Homophobic chants and comments are regularly a part of all games. Then there's the small matter of there only having ever been one openly gay footballer in the U.K., who was disowned by his footballer brother, largely ridiculed by one of the most successful and respected managers in the game, and ended up taking his own life. Any smalls steps we can take to get involved are worth it and can only result in positive publicity I think.
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Post by keyboard1 on Aug 16, 2017 20:04:24 GMT
What about a straight parade, I agree with Paulie do what you like behind closed doors but don't ram it in our face can't switch the TV on these days, not my cup of tea either.
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Post by thetheremin on Aug 16, 2017 20:05:46 GMT
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Post by jb on Aug 16, 2017 20:07:57 GMT
Society has moved on significantly since one of the Greatest Britains of all time (in my view) Alan Turing was unfairly and disgracefully vilified for being homosexual.
There is much more acceptance in society nowadays of homosexuality and the stigma of years gone by is evaporating day by day. Therefore do these Pride events need to continue as they now seem very passé?
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Post by Malcolm Tucker on Aug 16, 2017 20:12:05 GMT
What about a straight parade, I agree with Paulie do what you like behind closed doors but don't ram it in our face can't switch the TV on these days, not my cup of tea either. If a day comes when heterosexuals are vilified, persecuted and attacked for their sexuality then yes, feel free to suggest a straight pride.
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Post by paulie on Aug 16, 2017 20:14:05 GMT
What about a straight parade, I agree with Paulie do what you like behind closed doors but don't ram it in our face can't switch the TV on these days, not my cup of tea either. If a day comes when heterosexuals are vilified, persecuted and attacked for their sexuality then yes, feel free to suggest a straight pride. If a straight pride ever did happen, that would probably be the response it receives.
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Post by Lobster on Aug 16, 2017 20:14:21 GMT
What about a straight parade, I agree with Paulie do what you like behind closed doors but don't ram it in our face can't switch the TV on these days, not my cup of tea either. Why don't you organise a "straight parade" then? Nobody's stopping you, although I don't see much point given that 90% of people are straight and nobody else gets oppressed or killed for being heterosexual. And given that I can't imagine too many straight women would be interested in joining a parade of testosterone-fuelled blokes on a display of straight pride, I'm guessing all your straight parade would actually turn into is a bunch of men celebrating their sexuality. Which sounds a bit gay, ironically!
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Post by Wortleyblue on Aug 16, 2017 21:15:21 GMT
This is not a football thread can it be moved to the other topics threads
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Aug 16, 2017 21:22:42 GMT
Admittedly the thread has evolved, which is what happens on forums generally, but it was started as a Chester FC-related thread. Interesting discussion, nonetheless.
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Post by cfc1885 on Aug 16, 2017 21:24:34 GMT
Sexuality should not be brought into football end of story
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Post by Si on Aug 16, 2017 21:37:54 GMT
This thread pretty much sums up football's stance on the issue. How sad.
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Post by trublu on Aug 16, 2017 22:10:33 GMT
Reminds me of the end of American Beauty when grown men are so vociferously anti-gay Good idea for the club to use any event within the city for self-promotion. I'd be very interested to find out if the complete denial of homosexuality within the sport is really reflected in the stands. You'd imagine members of the LGBT community would likely be put off from such an outwardly homophobic sport, potentially denying the club from attracting 10% of the population.
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Post by sqzl on Aug 16, 2017 22:29:07 GMT
What about a straight parade, I agree with Paulie do what you like behind closed doors but don't ram it in our face can't switch the TV on these days, not my cup of tea either. Don't ram it in our face? It's about showing equality and diversity. They don't go around town forcing straight people to watch them kiss. If a man and woman kiss in the street nobody would bat an eyelid, it should be the same for anyone else too. After all, on here you always hear people criticising the club for not living up to its values of being a community club, this is a perfect opportunity to show that.
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Post by Malcolm Tucker on Aug 16, 2017 22:30:08 GMT
Reminds me of the end of American Beauty when grown men are so vociferously anti-gay Good idea for the club to use any event within the city for self-promotion. I'd be very interested to find out if the complete denial of homosexuality within the sport is really reflected in the stands. You'd imagine members of the LGBT community would likely be put off from such an outwardly homophobic sport, potentially denying the club from attracting 10% of the population. Good reasons to engage. There are a few LGBT Blues fans + I think there is very little homophobia within the stands at the Deva these days.
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Post by thetheremin on Aug 16, 2017 23:45:48 GMT
My mums friend Dave was overtly gay, and had a close relationship with the club in the 70s/80s. He had a house in the Garden Lane area and used to provide occasional lodging for new signings to the club in his spare rooms.
That stopped after the Wakeley Gage episode hit the national press. He was lodging at Dave's house.
Dave was one of the biggest fans of the club you'd ever meet. Utterly fanatical. And gay as a lord. Some people on here will probably remember him. Lovely bloke and a great friend to my mum.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Aug 17, 2017 6:38:08 GMT
I know there are a number of lesbian women who represent the club by playing for our Women's Team (featured in every home programme) #runwithwolves
It's probably too late for us to get on board as a club for Saturday but this is certainly something we need to get involved with going forward, given our "community, inclusive" ethos.
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Post by bing on Aug 17, 2017 8:49:56 GMT
I know there are a number of lesbian women who represent the club by playing for our Women's Team (featured in every home programme) #runwithwolves It's probably too late for us to get on board as a club for Saturday but this is certainly something we need to get involved with going forward, given our "community, inclusive" ethos. Would this fall under the remit of our Inclusive Blues? If so, I'm sure they could do with support to come up with ideas like this as it would clearly send out an 'inclusive message'. As much as I enjoy Devachat mkII, leaving messages on threads like this a few days before the event aren't going to help - but for the sake of a message to the right person at the right time, it could certainly help the club publicise such things.
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Post by bing on Aug 17, 2017 8:50:55 GMT
I know there are a number of lesbian women who represent the club by playing for our Women's Team (featured in every home programme) #runwithwolves It's probably too late for us to get on board as a club for Saturday but this is certainly something we need to get involved with going forward, given our "community, inclusive" ethos. Would this fall under the remit of our Inclusive Blues? If so, I'm sure they could do with support to come up with ideas like this as it would clearly send out an 'inclusive message'. As much as I enjoy Devachat mkII, leaving messages on threads like this a few days before the event aren't going to help - but for the sake of a message to the right person at the right time, it could certainly help the club publicise such things. Although we could say something on social media... I'll contact the media team now.
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