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Post by sqzl on Aug 19, 2017 18:51:12 GMT
Verdict is out on JM, he's got the players but not the managerial knowhow. It's always reactive and not active. Half time changes in both of the last two games to desperately try to get a result. We work all week on how to beat our opposition, why do we always look like were clinging on whether we're leading, drawing or losing?
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Post by tarvinblue on Aug 19, 2017 18:57:02 GMT
Verdict is out on JM, he's got the players but not the managerial knowhow. It's always reactive and not active. Half time changes in both of the last two games to desperately try to get a result. We work all week on how to beat our opposition, why do we always look like were clinging on whether we're leading, drawing or losing? To me, the longer you leave it, the longer you are just delaying the inevitable. Get him out and get someone in - they will have 40+ games to ensure this season doesn't end up a write off. We have to remember that we are an ex-Football League Club. Managers will want to manage our football club. I'm pretty sure the 50k a year spent employing JM would attract a decent replacement. We are all aware of Bignot - he would be an excellent replacement. However, it's pretty hard to imagine anyone we could bring in doing a worse job that our current incumbent.
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Post by Jack on Aug 19, 2017 18:59:03 GMT
I think he should go. I don't know if its financially possible but we've certainly passed the point of no return on the pitch.
I also now just cannot listen to him post-match. I used to enjoy it, but now I can only give it a minute before I have to turn it off. His arrogance and shock at being questioned is too much for me to stomach.
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Post by Matt on Aug 19, 2017 19:06:59 GMT
Too far gone now I'm afraid, being a fan owned Club the fans have spoken so why is he still in a job. Getting beat by Aldershot is inevitable.
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Post by sirfred on Aug 19, 2017 19:12:40 GMT
Has to go no home win site last December says it all - can't see where the next win is coming from and no confidence in Mccarthys tactics - I honestly believe I could swap my desk job and do better than that DVD watching Clown !
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Post by btb on Aug 19, 2017 19:17:34 GMT
If he stays we might not win a home game all season. So it's good bye Jon from me I'm afraid. It will take balls of steal from the board and Maguire to stand by him after this latest home flop.
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Post by billyw on Aug 19, 2017 19:19:24 GMT
Verdict is out on JM, he's got the players but not the managerial knowhow. It's always reactive and not active. Half time changes in both of the last two games to desperately try to get a result. We work all week on how to beat our opposition, why do we always look like were clinging on whether we're leading, drawing or losing? Because McCarthy doesn't realise that football is played on a pitch not a Subbuteo Table
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Post by sealking on Aug 19, 2017 19:32:19 GMT
He needs to go, obviously will cost the club to sack this cretin but the replacement can't do any worse then this!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 19:33:25 GMT
Would've voted no this morning but voted yes now. Personally, I've had enough, today was horrible and his post match interview is alarming in his stubbornness.
There was optimism with the signings but now the season has started and the reality has set in, he's built a piss poor squad for this league. We have a potentially decent starting XI but that's it, now injuries are picking up we are clearly in trouble. That is on Macca and Maguire's head.
We desperately need a lift, and it's only coming with change.
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Post by paulie on Aug 19, 2017 19:36:55 GMT
Would've voted no this morning but voted yes now. Personally, I've had enough, today was horrible and his post match interview is alarming in his stubbornness. There was optimism with the signings but now the season has started and the reality has set in, he's built a piss poor squad for this league. We have a potentially decent starting XI but that's it, now injuries are picking up we are clearly in trouble. That is on Macca and Maguire's head. We desperately need a lift, and it's only coming with change. Any links to his interview? It's like a car crash, you don't want to look but you cannot help yourself.
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Post by Paul Da Part on Aug 19, 2017 19:38:31 GMT
How is it even up to debate? The final straw was him turning around to have a go back at supporters who were well within their rights to voice their displeasure. It's been woeful for months, he signed decent players in the summer, we had a slight ounce of hope that things might improve. It's just not happening. He MUST go. If the board cannot see that he is badly damaging this clubs progress, then they ought to have a look at themselves. They had the chance to make the change in the summer (and given 2017's showing, nobody could have blamed them for pulling the trigger) but they failed to do so. The thing that worries me, as skint as we are (again, or so it appears) is that McCarthy is given the boot and replaced with Shaw and McIntyre for the fact they are the cheapest option. We've been down that route before after Burr was finally given the boot and look where it's got us.......
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 19:42:52 GMT
Would've voted no this morning but voted yes now. Personally, I've had enough, today was horrible and his post match interview is alarming in his stubbornness. There was optimism with the signings but now the season has started and the reality has set in, he's built a piss poor squad for this league. We have a potentially decent starting XI but that's it, now injuries are picking up we are clearly in trouble. That is on Macca and Maguire's head. We desperately need a lift, and it's only coming with change. Any links to his interview? It's like a car crash, you don't want to look but you cannot help yourself. link
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 19:45:04 GMT
How is it even up to debate? The final straw was him turning around to have a go back at supporters who were well within their rights to voice their displeasure. It's been woeful for months, he signed decent players in the summer, we had a slight ounce of hope that things might improve. It's just not happening. He MUST go. If the board cannot see that he is badly damaging this clubs progress, then they ought to have a look at themselves. They had the chance to make the change in the summer (and given 2017's showing, nobody could have blamed them for pulling the trigger) but they failed to do so. The thing that worries me, as skint as we are (again, or so it appears) is that McCarthy is given the boot and replaced with Shaw and McIntyre for the fact they are the cheapest option. We've been down that route before after Burr was finally given the boot and look where it's got us....... I can see Shaw being the replacement. It's a punt but he's already on the payroll and might be our only option, especially if he wants funds to bring anyone else in. Might be a punt worth taking, can't be any worse than what we have now
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Post by sqzl on Aug 19, 2017 19:50:07 GMT
How is it even up to debate? The final straw was him turning around to have a go back at supporters who were well within their rights to voice their displeasure. It's been woeful for months, he signed decent players in the summer, we had a slight ounce of hope that things might improve. It's just not happening. He MUST go. If the board cannot see that he is badly damaging this clubs progress, then they ought to have a look at themselves. They had the chance to make the change in the summer (and given 2017's showing, nobody could have blamed them for pulling the trigger) but they failed to do so. The thing that worries me, as skint as we are (again, or so it appears) is that McCarthy is given the boot and replaced with Shaw and McIntyre for the fact they are the cheapest option. We've been down that route before after Burr was finally given the boot and look where it's got us....... I can see Shaw being the replacement. It's a punt but he's already on the payroll and might be our only option, especially if he wants funds to bring anyone else in. Might be a punt worth taking, can't be any worse than what we have now Horrible feeling you're right. Nothing against Shaw but he's inexperience and in my eyes should still be playing football.
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Post by Paul Da Part on Aug 19, 2017 19:51:43 GMT
How is it even up to debate? The final straw was him turning around to have a go back at supporters who were well within their rights to voice their displeasure. It's been woeful for months, he signed decent players in the summer, we had a slight ounce of hope that things might improve. It's just not happening. He MUST go. If the board cannot see that he is badly damaging this clubs progress, then they ought to have a look at themselves. They had the chance to make the change in the summer (and given 2017's showing, nobody could have blamed them for pulling the trigger) but they failed to do so. The thing that worries me, as skint as we are (again, or so it appears) is that McCarthy is given the boot and replaced with Shaw and McIntyre for the fact they are the cheapest option. We've been down that route before after Burr was finally given the boot and look where it's got us....... I can see Shaw being the replacement. It's a punt but he's already on the payroll and might be our only option, especially if he wants funds to bring anyone else in. Might be a punt worth taking, can't be any worse than what we have nowWe all said exactly that when Burr left. I was unsure about McCarthy replacing him as I felt he was partly responsible for that mess. Gave him the benefit of the doubt following his first 15 games in charge, but now he's been found out and there is no way back for him. Shaw could be a revelation, we don't know, is it worth the risk? Mind you, to find out, we have actually got to get rid of McCarthy first and I can't see that happening just yet!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 19:52:29 GMT
i dont think he gets the fact that by having a go at fans he is also having a go at his employers. his tactics are garbage he was openly urging the players to get deeper in the last 5 minutes we had players who were wilting but he didnt bring on any subs the man is deluded and must go,i have watched this club since 1953 and never seen a display as bad as that first half
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Post by Maravilla on Aug 19, 2017 20:05:45 GMT
I'd sack him tomorrow.
As others have astutely alluded to in other threads, we are simply kicking the can down the road by waiting any longer. I have never been so confident that in Jon McCarthy we have a manager who cannot turn this around.
1600 fans in the stadium today on our 3rd home game of the season says everything that needs to be said. Absolutely woeful. And he still has the arrogance to turn around and give the crowd verbals when we quite rightly voice our displeasure at what we are paying to watch.
The financial implications of attendances this low (and only heading in one direction) on a budget based on an average of circa 2100 home fans will be just as serious as the implications of removing the manager.
By my calculations, if we average 1,800 over the course of season (based on the current trajectory) - being generous, that would equate to a loss of £82,000.
At least if we sack the manager we will have a chance of retaining our status in this league and have a chance of getting our attendances back to what we quite rightly should be aiming for.
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Post by bonecrusher on Aug 19, 2017 20:06:41 GMT
Something needs to change. Simple as that.
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Post by bonecrusher on Aug 19, 2017 20:08:18 GMT
I think he should go. I don't know if its financially possible but we've certainly passed the point of no return on the pitch. I also now just cannot listen to him post-match. I used to enjoy it, but now I can only give it a minute before I have to turn it off. His arrogance and shock at being questioned is too much for me to stomach. He wasn't too bad tonight actually and seemed to make a point about praising the support today. It's too late for that sort of bridge building though, especially when we cannot win at home. I think he knows he is on borrowed time.
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Post by Oaks Blue on Aug 19, 2017 21:14:52 GMT
1600 fans on a Saturday says it all. Bye Jon
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Post by Firestick Frank on Aug 19, 2017 21:19:58 GMT
I would still have said "give him another five to six games" but on second thoughts, what would be the point? We know from the last eight months that he does not have the knowhow to turn it around. Delaying the inevitable as others have said. Sadly, he has to go.
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Post by g1 on Aug 19, 2017 21:25:19 GMT
Downright yes from me
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Post by Si on Aug 19, 2017 21:32:19 GMT
I was worried after seeing us comprehensively outplayed by Alty in pre season. Even more worried 4 games into the league campaign. He does not see what everyone else sees, so why delay the inevitable?
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Post by billyw on Aug 19, 2017 21:37:00 GMT
I imagine members of the Board look on here (and if they don't, they should) so surely they should be taking notice of their members and the overwhelming vote to dismiss McCarthy. it is interesting that even McCarthys most ardent supporters have gone very quiet.
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Post by thevoice on Aug 19, 2017 21:37:31 GMT
i've gone for yes i did say give him till november however with his dross we could be long gone by then
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Post by paulie on Aug 19, 2017 21:40:09 GMT
I imagine members of the Board look on here (and if they don't, they should) so surely they should be taking notice of their members and the overwhelming vote to dismiss McCarthy. it is interesting that even McCarthys most ardent supporters have gone very quiet. I don't think he has any supporters left.
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Post by tarvinblue on Aug 19, 2017 21:45:37 GMT
I imagine members of the Board look on here (and if they don't, they should) so surely they should be taking notice of their members and the overwhelming vote to dismiss McCarthy. it is interesting that even McCarthys most ardent supporters have gone very quiet. I don't think he has any supporters left. There was one sat behind me today, arguing with fans letting McCarthy know their feelings.
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Post by btb on Aug 19, 2017 21:48:35 GMT
I imagine members of the Board look on here (and if they don't, they should) so surely they should be taking notice of their members and the overwhelming vote to dismiss McCarthy. it is interesting that even McCarthys most ardent supporters have gone very quiet. The tide has turned and he has lost the majority of the crowd. How does that saying go, you can fool some people sometimes?! youll always get the odd nut job who will blindly hang out of managers, players or CEO's back sides. But in this case, the time is up. That first 45 was horrendous today and the board should be calling the manager in for words tomorrow morning or at the very least put him on gardening leave and see what we can salvage from this season. the demand is there. How many other clubs would have seen such a good season ticket turn out after last season's calamity?
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Post by Firestick Frank on Aug 19, 2017 21:48:50 GMT
I imagine members of the Board look on here (and if they don't, they should) so surely they should be taking notice of their members and the overwhelming vote to dismiss McCarthy. it is interesting that even McCarthys most ardent supporters have gone very quiet. A touch extreme perhaps, but there's no stopping any CFU member from calling an EGM with written notice - at which a motion could be proposed and then voted on.
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Post by Paul Da Part on Aug 19, 2017 21:49:01 GMT
So I've taken the plunge and watched his post match comments on YouTube. I've honestly not seen or heard so much tripe from a manager before. At no point was he critical of his players after the dire first half (infact the first half wasn't even mentioned - he kept blarting on about the second half) and the amount of times he referred to the fans support (the same supporters he turned around to try and argue with in the first half that he dare not mention) was embarrassing. He's clearly blinkered and cannot see his faults. Unbelievable. The man is in another world! Just get that imaginary football out and we could have someone challenging Terry Smith as the biggest joker that Chester (City) have had at the helm.
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