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Post by Paul Da Part on Aug 19, 2017 21:50:27 GMT
Unfair of me to say he was critical of the players, what I should have pointed it was that he should have been critical of his own tactical decisions throughout the game and the poor showing in the first half due to the way he set the side up. Nothing wrong with holding your hands up saying "I got it wrong" but not once has he done that during his tenure.
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Post by Forever Blue on Aug 19, 2017 23:47:14 GMT
Time for a change and the club have to take some responsibility and grow some balls, JM should have gone with Burr but instead they took the cheap option. He was carried and made to look good by Ian Sharps and after he left we plummeted like a lead brick, it is not about 4 games this season but since our last home win in December. Every post match interview makes me cringe watching him and what really p1sses me off is the fact we have the makings of an half decent squad if they are played right.
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Post by yossergolf on Aug 20, 2017 8:03:13 GMT
JM in his interview has it all wrong, he said how the team fed off the crowd! It should be the crowd that responds to what goes on during the game. When they started to play some football in the second half the crowd were up for it. It has to start on the pitch.
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Post by devaboyreturns on Aug 20, 2017 9:04:52 GMT
Nearly 9 months into 2017 and still no home wins, it's a yes from me!!!
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Post by jb on Aug 20, 2017 9:07:59 GMT
It's a yes from me. We are in a relegation battle and I've got no idea where our first win is going to come from.
McCarthy says he sets us up not to lose but we are woefully thin on the ground in terms of defensive players and the squad looks threadbare already. If we are going to be reliant on Joyce, Chappell etc then we are doomed. Desperately need another centre back and full back which should have been addressed months ago.
I take it that in terms of stats that McCarthy has the worst win/loss ratio of any Chester manager now?
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Post by Jack on Aug 20, 2017 10:15:34 GMT
Very damning results for JM so far. I do think we've passed that point now, where it is only now a question of when.
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Post by richard on Aug 20, 2017 10:34:08 GMT
I imagine members of the Board look on here (and if they don't, they should) so surely they should be taking notice of their members and the overwhelming vote to dismiss McCarthy. it is interesting that even McCarthys most ardent supporters have gone very quiet. What's the point Billy. Nothing I can say will make any difference to you or those of you who have made up your minds No from me.
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Post by paulie on Aug 20, 2017 10:37:24 GMT
I imagine members of the Board look on here (and if they don't, they should) so surely they should be taking notice of their members and the overwhelming vote to dismiss McCarthy. it is interesting that even McCarthys most ardent supporters have gone very quiet. What's the point Billy. Nothing I can say will make any difference to you or those of you who have made up your minds No from me. How much longer then?? Are you happy with how the team are playing? 1600 yesterday through the gate. People have had enough.
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Post by Si on Aug 20, 2017 10:39:48 GMT
I imagine members of the Board look on here (and if they don't, they should) so surely they should be taking notice of their members and the overwhelming vote to dismiss McCarthy. it is interesting that even McCarthys most ardent supporters have gone very quiet. What's the point Billy. Nothing I can say will make any difference to you or those of you who have made up your minds No from me. I respect your opinion Richard but can you elaborate on why you think he should be allowed even more time to get it right? I've no agenda, I'm just curious as you must be the only one to come on here and say that.
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Post by thevoice on Aug 20, 2017 10:41:23 GMT
I imagine members of the Board look on here (and if they don't, they should) so surely they should be taking notice of their members and the overwhelming vote to dismiss McCarthy. it is interesting that even McCarthys most ardent supporters have gone very quiet. What's the point Billy. Nothing I can say will make any difference to you or those of you who have made up your minds No from me. so your delighted in his negative football he's putting on week in week out and his cringeworth interviews get your head out of your backside he's already taken us to an all time low with not winning at home in 18 or so games i have a feeling we may not hit 1500 for macc game
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Post by trev on Aug 20, 2017 10:46:29 GMT
Hi Richard, for the purposes of some balance, I for one would be grateful if you could elaborate on your reasoning why Mr McCarthy should be retained as first team manager , given your knowledge of the inner workings of the Club.
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Post by noddy on Aug 20, 2017 10:49:17 GMT
What's the point Billy. Nothing I can say will make any difference to you or those of you who have made up your minds No from me. I respect your opinion Richard but can you elaborate on why you think he should be allowed even more time to get it right? I've no agenda, I'm just curious as you must be the only one to come on here and say that. Agreed. I also respect Richard, has put a lot of time and finances into the club himself over many years but I also would like to know why he thinks McCarthy should be given more time, especially with the crowd this week being particular worrying numbers wise.
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Post by Jack on Aug 20, 2017 10:51:38 GMT
I think the argument for keeping him is that we've just signed 7 or 8 new players and a new manager would have to work with JM's signings.
But this doesn't present a big issue for me. The recruitment looks pretty solid to me, we've got a very decent first 11. It's the way they are being asked to play that is the issue here.
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Post by richard on Aug 20, 2017 10:53:46 GMT
What's the point Billy. Nothing I can say will make any difference to you or those of you who have made up your minds No from me. I respect your opinion Richard but can you elaborate on why you think he should be allowed even more time to get it right? I've no agenda, I'm just curious as you must be the only one to come on here and say that. Hi Big Si, You only have to read the next post down from yours to see why there is little point in elaboration on my part. Because I don't agree, I knew I would be the subject of abuse. Suffice it to say that I refuse to judge the man on last season, where other factors prevailed. This season he has drawn 3 and lost one. And before you all jump on the bandwagon of further offensive rhetoric, no I'm not happy with the style of play at times and yes I get frustrated. Thanks to you Si for remaining polite!!
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Post by noddy on Aug 20, 2017 10:54:40 GMT
I think the argument for keeping him is that we've just signed 7 or 8 new players and a new manager would have to work with JM's signings. But this doesn't present a big issue for me. The recruitment looks pretty solid to me, we've got a very decent first 11. It's the way they are being asked to play that is the issue here. Nail on head. There is definitely a mid table first eleven at the football club, yes we are thin on the ground numbers wise but it's without doubt the tactical side holding the team back unquestionably.
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Post by paulie on Aug 20, 2017 10:55:21 GMT
I respect your opinion Richard but can you elaborate on why you think he should be allowed even more time to get it right? I've no agenda, I'm just curious as you must be the only one to come on here and say that. Hi Big Si, You only have to read the next post down from yours to see why there is little point in elaboration on my part. Because I don't agree, I knew I would be the subject of abuse. Suffice it to say that I refuse to judge the man on last season, where other factors prevailed. This season he has drawn 3 and lost one. And before you all jump on the bandwagon of further offensive rhetoric, no I'm not happy with the style of play at times and yes I get frustrated. Thanks to you Si for remaking polite!! Nice swerve rich.
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Post by massivefloodlights on Aug 20, 2017 11:04:41 GMT
It's a No from me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 11:32:01 GMT
Youve got bigger things to worry about. I see JMc as a thinker about the game. I watched his impressive presentation at the last CFU meeting and was impressed with his attention to detail and his analytical approach. Whilst this clearly does not achieve the winning of football matches in the National League, maybe this could be very useful with the new scholars programme. Should the club be looking to offer Mr McCarthy a sideways move? A teaching, mentoring and coaching role with our scholars, working with Calum to develop the programme that will hopefully continue to produce Sam Hughes type golden eggs? This would alleviate the pressure of a lump sum settlement, would keep a genuinely nice, approchable and knowledgeable man within our club, and would allow us to approach a manager looking to kickstart a stalled career on a reduced, more incentive based contract?
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Post by Rio Doherty on Aug 20, 2017 12:06:57 GMT
Youve got bigger things to worry about. I see JMc as a thinker about the game. I watched his impressive presentation at the last CFU meeting and was impressed with his attention to detail and his analytical approach. Whilst this clearly does not achieve the winning of football matches in the National League, maybe this could be very useful with the new scholars programme. Should the club be looking to offer Mr McCarthy a sideways move? A teaching, mentoring and coaching role with our scholars, working with Calum to develop the programme that will hopefully continue to produce Sam Hughes type golden eggs? This would alleviate the pressure of a lump sum settlement, would keep a genuinely nice, approchable and knowledgeable man within our club, and would allow us to approach a manager looking to kickstart a stalled career on a reduced, more incentive based contract? I've come to a similar conclusion too. He is a smashing bloke who cares a lot about our club, but he can't manage a football team properly, such as not handling criticism, doesn't know the right tactics. Whilst I think he should no longer be our manager, I would still like him to remain at this football club because he knows what we are about. Some of his strengths are analysing, mentoring players. He even studied psychology at uni. These things aren't really suitable when managing a first team, however if he was to help out with Calum, or be a coach, the players would learn a lot off him. Simply over-analysing the opposition isn't right. You need to figure out the strengths and weaknesses about your own team before analysing the opposition. As much as I like McCarthy as a person, the last 7 months have been really frustrating, even for me as I have attended all 18 home games and share the frustrations of fellow supporters. I think it is time to make a change, and appoint someone like Hill, Askey, Bignot etc. who know the league inside out, before it gets too late. I would like McCarthy to stay here, but in a different role as nothing is improving on the pitch right now.
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Post by whopper1 on Aug 20, 2017 12:55:54 GMT
Youve got bigger things to worry about. I see JMc as a thinker about the game. I watched his impressive presentation at the last CFU meeting and was impressed with his attention to detail and his analytical approach. Whilst this clearly does not achieve the winning of football matches in the National League, maybe this could be very useful with the new scholars programme. Should the club be looking to offer Mr McCarthy a sideways move? A teaching, mentoring and coaching role with our scholars, working with Calum to develop the programme that will hopefully continue to produce Sam Hughes type golden eggs? This would alleviate the pressure of a lump sum settlement, would keep a genuinely nice, approchable and knowledgeable man within our club, and would allow us to approach a manager looking to kickstart a stalled career on a reduced, more incentive based contract? I've come to a similar conclusion too. He is a smashing bloke who cares a lot about our club, but he can't manage a football team properly, such as not handling criticism, doesn't know the right tactics. Whilst I think he should no longer be our manager, I would still like him to remain at this football club because he knows what we are about. Some of his strengths are analysing, mentoring players. He even studied psychology at uni. These things aren't really suitable when managing a first team, however if he was to help out with Calum, or be a coach, the players would learn a lot off him. Simply over-analysing the opposition isn't right. You need to figure out the strengths and weaknesses about your own team before analysing the opposition. As much as I like McCarthy as a person, the last 7 months have been really frustrating, even for me as I have attended all 18 home games and share the frustrations of fellow supporters. I think it is time to make a change, and appoint someone like Hill, Askey, Bignot etc. who know the league inside out, before it gets too late. I would like McCarthy to stay here, but in a different role as nothing is improving on the pitch right now. I don't give a monkeys if he's a smashing bloke,he needs sacking asap,and none of this nonsense keeping him at the club either, the blokes a joke pretending to be a football manager, he should get done for fraud
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Post by paw2904 on Aug 20, 2017 13:09:29 GMT
No. He should stay. I am optimistic. Football is a game finely balanced and we could easily have won 3-2 yesterday. Then we would have been in the top half and above Wrexham. Didn't work out like that. I won't convince those who want him out, and I won't be convinced by them. But everyone should keep the debate free from personal abuse. Not needed. Not wanted.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 13:38:02 GMT
he has to go the football in the last 2 years apart from 5 or 6 games has not been good at all even on our unbeaten run we never looked good
we need someone in who knows what they are doing who can work with a small budget but can get the best out of his players for 90 mins
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Post by Anders on Aug 20, 2017 13:44:45 GMT
He’s not turning this around, his relationship with the supporters has deteriorated so much that there’s just no chance it can be repaired. He’s said that he’s not going to change his approach so the booing when defending a corner won’t stop, the gesticulations from fans urging us out of our own half won’t stop, the groaning whilst we sit deep won’t stop and McCarthy will probably just turn around and have more and more altercations with the fans that are left voicing their displeasure. How can you live like that?
McCarthy has always had a cautious approach but it’s gone to an extreme now. It’s different to last season, up to a point we were doing well and accumulated a number of points close to what was apparently his target from the beginning. The pressure was off and he started tinkering, none of it worked and the player’s confidence ebbed away. We still scrambled a few fortunate wins away to get us over the line. Now he’s openly admitted he’s setting us up not to lose rather than to win, he’s now viewing draws as wins so when are we ever going to win a game of football when we’re not managed to try and do so? You can just see a million miles off that the plan is to draw as many as possible and nick a few wins from somewhere to scramble up to 50 points again. I can tell you now, it won’t work and even trying it will knock hundreds of more supporters away who will find something else to do on a Saturday afternoon and get out of the habit. Once they’re gone and have gotten used to not going then it’ll be very difficult to get them back. Also, if you’re a fair-weather fan who just fancies taking in a couple of games during the season, would you really be itching to get down there after seeing such negativity from him on the back page of the Chronicle or Leader?
I’m sure he’s a nice bloke but you can’t just have a job because you’re nice and work hard, you’ve got to be good at it and surely everyone can see now that he just, well…isn’t.
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Post by Cestrian For Life on Aug 20, 2017 14:22:09 GMT
The big problem here is the complete lack of acceptance from JM that he's just plain wrong. I didn't want him from the start, I thought he was the footballing 'brain' even when Burr was here. But I was willing to give him my full support for the good of CFC. The two year + contract given to him was applauded by most and I can see why it was done even if I personally thought it was crazy at the time. If I'm honest, I desperately want it to work now (mainly because we have such limited options on where to go from here), I want us to win at Aldershot and then beat Macclesfield and go on an amazing run to safety. But he has to come out in the next few days and apologise to the fans, accept his style of setting up this team is unquestionably boring to watch and will not keep us up, show the kind of passion that I want to see from my manager and stop spouting utter bulls*it after each game. Let these players off the reigns, for a decent chunk of that second half yesterday, they proved to me that they aren't a bad footballing unit and can certainly take the game to teams in this league. GO OUT AND TRY AND WIN THE F**KING GAME - From the first minute to the last.
I WANT TO BE ENTERTAINED, simple as. I think we will have to give him 2 more games and judge him not necessarily on the results but the conviction of the football played. More of the same and he simply will have to go, whatever the cost. He’s not turning this around, his relationship with the supporters has deteriorated so much that there’s just no chance it can be repaired. He’s said that he’s not going to change his approach so the booing when defending a corner won’t stop, the gesticulations from fans urging us out of our own half won’t stop, the groaning whilst we sit deep won’t stop and McCarthy will probably just turn around and have more and more altercations with the fans that are left voicing their displeasure. How can you live like that? McCarthy has always had a cautious approach but it’s gone to an extreme now. It’s different to last season, up to a point we were doing well and accumulated a number of points close to what was apparently his target from the beginning. The pressure was off and he started tinkering, none of it worked and the player’s confidence ebbed away. We still scrambled a few fortunate wins away to get us over the line. Now he’s openly admitted he’s setting us up not to lose rather than to win, he’s now viewing draws as wins so when are we ever going to win a game of football when we’re not managed to try and do so? You can just see a million miles off that the plan is to draw as many as possible and nick a few wins from somewhere to scramble up to 50 points again. I can tell you now, it won’t work and even trying it will knock hundreds of more supporters away who will find something else to do on a Saturday afternoon and get out of the habit. Once they’re gone and have gotten used to not going then it’ll be very difficult to get them back. Also, if you’re a fair-weather fan who just fancies taking in a couple of games during the season, would you really be itching to get down there after seeing such negativity from him on the back page of the Chronicle or Leader? I’m sure he’s a nice bloke but you can’t just have a job because you’re nice and work hard, you’ve got to be good at it and surely everyone can see now that he just, well…isn’t.
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Post by Helsby Blue on Aug 20, 2017 14:37:03 GMT
Quite simply his position has become untenable and yesterdays attendance should be seen as major worry for the club. On the pitch, it is the same tactics and negativity as last season, and ultimately that has cost us the game yesterday. The biggest issue is the relationship with the fans has been permanently damaged now and I feel a new manager is needed to galvanise the dwindling fan base. Also we can't ignore the fact that we are in the relegation zone and we don't want to leave ourselves with too great a mountain to climb. Relegation would be a catastrophe for the club and I don't ever see us bouncing back from it.
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Post by Anders on Aug 20, 2017 14:39:39 GMT
You have to attack from a level score line to win a game of football, the problem is that McCarthy is seeing a draw as a win, against anyone. If we’re drawing, he will defend, so when are we actually ever going to win a game? I can only ever see it happening by fluke with this mentality. It’s exactly what happened yesterday, we only attacked when we were losing because we absolutely had no other choice, once level we sat back again and treated a draw like a win.
You often see teams regularly adopting this away from home, but never at home as well! It’s completely illogical and actually rather bizarre, I‘ve never seen anything like it before, only at Chester eh.
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Post by sqzl on Aug 20, 2017 16:19:27 GMT
What's the point Billy. Nothing I can say will make any difference to you or those of you who have made up your minds No from me. so your delighted in his negative football he's putting on week in week out and his cringeworth interviews get your head out of your backside he's already taken us to an all time low with not winning at home in 18 or so games i have a feeling we may not hit 1500 for macc game We will hit 1500 for Macc purely because of the number of away fans that will come for that one, but I can see nothing other than another game on te back foot, probably losing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 16:56:22 GMT
Sorry state of affairs when we're contemplating 1500 for a Bank Holiday fixture against local rivals!
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Post by Firestick Frank on Aug 20, 2017 20:40:47 GMT
Youve got bigger things to worry about. I see JMc as a thinker about the game. I watched his impressive presentation at the last CFU meeting and was impressed with his attention to detail and his analytical approach. Whilst this clearly does not achieve the winning of football matches in the National League, maybe this could be very useful with the new scholars programme. Should the club be looking to offer Mr McCarthy a sideways move? A teaching, mentoring and coaching role with our scholars, working with Calum to develop the programme that will hopefully continue to produce Sam Hughes type golden eggs? This would alleviate the pressure of a lump sum settlement, would keep a genuinely nice, approchable and knowledgeable man within our club, and would allow us to approach a manager looking to kickstart a stalled career on a reduced, more incentive based contract? Interesting proposition and I certainly agree with the principle but it's very doubtful he will agree to such a move. Shame as in other circumstances I think it will work, but I can't see him sticking around in any capacity should he get the chop.
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Post by thetheremin on Aug 20, 2017 21:40:46 GMT
What's the point Billy. Nothing I can say will make any difference to you or those of you who have made up your minds No from me. How much longer then?? Are you happy with how the team are playing? 1600 yesterday through the gate. People have had enough. Yes, there is a serious business angle to this now. The first XI we have should not be struggling. It's a strong side.
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