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Post by Rimmer on Aug 25, 2018 15:50:43 GMT
A woman in the stand kicking off at Chester fans? Would that be Mrs Morley by any chance? She had already had a go on Twitter
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Aug 25, 2018 15:53:03 GMT
Heaven knows I’m miserable thanks to Salford Lads Cub. Back on the bins for Bern and Jonno. Too big a job for them and they are better off managing non-entities like Salford. Yep, we don't have the millions they need to spend to make them look like proper football managers.
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Post by devablue on Aug 25, 2018 15:53:16 GMT
At least wrexham have bottled their 2-0 lead. 2-2 now.
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Post by 1967blue Chester Lads on Aug 25, 2018 15:57:31 GMT
Well what a waste of time and money that was. Utter Wank and a manc twins haven't got a clue, they should tear up there own contracts and walk away.
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Post by keyboard1 on Aug 25, 2018 15:58:04 GMT
Keep it up your doing well, talk about league football my arse more chance of winning the lottery and that's no chance, cert for the drop at this rate, can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear.
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Post by billyw on Aug 25, 2018 16:00:19 GMT
Can't wait for Dick and Dom's post match interview. It will involve a lot of "can't believe it" - "I'm speechless" - "I don't know what went wrong" - " some of these players can leave now" Frankly I'm no longer interested in anything they or the players have to say. Meaningless waffle.Talk is cheap and they can't back it up with action.
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Post by Matt on Aug 25, 2018 16:01:28 GMT
A woman in the stand kicking off at Chester fans? Would that be Mrs Morley by any chance? She had already had a go on Twitter I've had some abuse from Shenton's misses. Is this what this Club has become? tragic.
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Post by devablue on Aug 25, 2018 16:01:35 GMT
Well what a waste of time and money that was. Utter Wank and a manc twins haven't got a clue, they should tear up there own contracts and walk away. Whilst you have the right to your own opinion, it is embarrassing. Get behind the managers, get behind the players and things will change. Who remembers Curzon Ashton away? A comfortable 0-3 win. People need to stop being such keyboard warriors and get behind the club. If you think they don't have a clue then you're just wrong, they've just won the same league ffs.
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Post by sealking on Aug 25, 2018 16:04:19 GMT
Awful display today, Pritchard, waters and Shenton had a bad game. Does anyone know what formation we was meant to be playing? The fact that no one in the team knows who is meant to taking the corners says it all....clueless
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Post by sqzl on Aug 25, 2018 16:09:17 GMT
Right I went today, it was awful, like it wasn’t Blyth but it didn’t improve much as the score flatters us. However some of the abuse is way out of control. If we want the club to move forward, this isn’t the way to support. I heard someone call a woman a clue as c*nt in the stands. That’s just unreal.
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Aug 25, 2018 16:12:25 GMT
I suppose if you're the sort who sees the positives in everything you could say at least we didn't fall apart second half after the break. It's really clutching at straws though, the worry isn't so much the result it's what sounds like another pretty abject showing - especially first half.
I do think the lack of play these last few weeks has very much gone against us today although it wouldn't explain the Blyth debacle obviously.
Early days but there's worry indications this could be another long season.
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Post by navajo on Aug 25, 2018 16:18:11 GMT
The wind taken out of the sails for sure. We now have to decide whether we want a football club or not.
Opinion is fair enough but sone of the abuse directed at managers and players today was vile.
If we do want a club and team to support, now's the time to stand together and show if we truly are supporters or just cheerleaders.
Long, Long way to go.
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Post by jb on Aug 25, 2018 16:19:04 GMT
Would that be Mrs Morley by any chance? She had already had a go on Twitter I've had some abuse from Shenton's misses. Is this what this Club has become? tragic. These two scalls have just their equally scally mates instead for a kick around. Sunday League stuff!
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Post by yorkdeva on Aug 25, 2018 16:22:57 GMT
There needs to be a big dose of realism by some posters on here. I'm as hacked off as anyone regarding how things have panned out over the last 2 games but if you think these (or any) managers are going to spring a miracle in the very short term you're deluding yourselves. This is a massive long term project with hugely limited resources and a bare bones squad. We're not going to be play off challengers overnight and we need to show patience however much we feel the need to castigate the management and players.
I've always had 10 games in my mind before coming to any conclusions about these guys. Yes - Blyth was a complete clusterf#ck but Telford are on a roll, haven't lost all season and are currently 2nd place in the table. We need to stick together and look for signs of improvement.
Getting rid of these guys now will achieve nothing and further destabilise the club that is going through a rough time. Don't underestimate how the off field problems impact on the players as the whole atmosphere is that of constantly fighting fires (or floods in this case) and bemoaning our bad luck and lack of regular competitive games due to postponements.
The peerless Michael Jordan once said “I’ve missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I’ve lost almost 300 games. 26 times I’ve been trusted to take the winning shot and missed. I’ve failed over and over and over again in my life. Perseverance is why I succeed.”
Ad astra per aspera...
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Post by jayhawks on Aug 25, 2018 16:25:04 GMT
Thank the Lord I didn't get conned into buying a season ticket like I did last year. What a load of bollox
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Post by Woody on Aug 25, 2018 16:27:18 GMT
A lot of anger boils down to frustration, I for one walked out as this team I believe will only go in one direction. The club as a whole needs to look at this first team budget before we employ any more people. The current employees should then be looked at what value they give the club. We maybe premier league at the community stuff but does it get sponsorship, extra fans a wider catchment area of fans; this I am unsure.
Ultimately it’s what is on the pitch that counts and we certainly don’t have anything that is worth shouting about.
General rule of thumb for me is if an employee costs the club 20k does the club get that at least in return for their work or a substantial increase in revenue
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Post by Matt on Aug 25, 2018 16:28:17 GMT
There needs to be a big dose of realism by some posters on here. I'm as hacked off as anyone regarding how things have panned out over the last 2 games but if you think these (or any) managers are going to spring a miracle in the very short term you're deluding yourselves. This is a massive long term project with hugely limited resources and a bare bones squad. We're not going to be play off challengers overnight and we need to show patience however much we feel the need to castigate the management and players. I've always had 10 games in my mind before coming to any conclusions about these guys. Yes - Blyth was a complete clusterf#ck but Telford are on a roll, haven't lost all season and are currently 2nd place in the table. We need to stick together and look for signs of improvement. Getting rid of these guys now will achieve nothing and further destabilise the club that is going through a rough time. Don't underestimate how the off field problems impact on the players as the whole atmosphere is that of constantly fighting fires (or floods in this case) and bemoaning our bad luck and lack of regular competitive games due to postponements. The peerless Michael Jordan once said “I’ve missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I’ve lost almost 300 games. 26 times I’ve been trusted to take the winning shot and missed. I’ve failed over and over and over again in my life. Perseverance is why I succeed.”
Ad astra per aspera... On top of the recent performances that is a Sensible, realistic post on Deva Chat. The worlds end is near!
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Post by Lobster on Aug 25, 2018 16:50:16 GMT
Calling for any manager(s) head after four games is pretty stupid, especially when two of them have been decent perfomances, but it seems obvious to me that we have a problem and these two need to sort it before it gets any worse. We’ve stewed on an 8-1 defeat for a fortnight then followed it up by being 2-0 down within 20 minutes. It isn’t normal. I haven’t been at these two games but I don’t think I have to be to realise something is amiss.
We don’t expect miracles, but at the same time we shouldn’t expect disasters.
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Post by g1 on Aug 25, 2018 17:16:19 GMT
My thought is waters not good enough too lightweight mahon passed it fullbacks afraid to get hurt shenton waste of worse goalie since McKenzie only 3 I would keep gone top heavy on MF as well not good enough
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Post by Sealand Road Veteran on Aug 25, 2018 17:28:25 GMT
Just got home from the game. very very frustrating, the amount of under hit passes, the amount of misplaced passes, the amount of times we gave the ball away, players who look like they don't know what system we are playing. And why don't the players know who takes corners etc. Two of our own players telling each other To take the corner, and that corner of ours led to a goal. FOR THEM!! The first goal we had 3 chances to clear the ball and didn't. So many individual errors. But what worries me more is a conversation I overheard at the game Not sure how true it is but apparently some of the team train in Manchester as they don't want to train in Chester, don't know if it's true, but it would explain a lot, like players not looking like they know the system and playing like they have never played together, players not knowing who is on what set piece misplaced passes etc. To me there is clearly something wrong, something missing, can't quite put my finger on it but there is something. This team have great followings I estimate around 6-700 chester fans made the trip today, they don't expect miracles, but on the same token they don't expect what is being served up at present. Far too many individual errors leading to goals conceded. Not sure what the problem is but they need to find it and quick
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Post by spencerwhelanleftpeg on Aug 25, 2018 17:35:28 GMT
Definitely not great. The half time booing and abuse of the team and management isn't helpful and, after 3.5 games quite frankly embarassing. I'll discuss the goals later but the least said about the farce of the first, the better. At least it's only 2 though - not totally out of it yet (always the optimist). Ok fair enough I get your point but first half we were absolutely appalling at the back. If you had travelled to Blyth then witnessed the first half display then the booing is more than justified. Yes we hugged and puffed second half but still looked ridiculously easy to play against in terms of our defence. That’s 11 goals conceded in two games. We have a ridiculously fickle young/youth support who with respect haven’t got the experience to be making sensible summaries/ comments. We have been in decline for some time. There was certainly no evidence to suggest that that decline is turning a tide today. It’s frustrating I’m takling my 10 year old daughter to games trying to get her interested and she’s saying she doesn’t really want to watch us loose all the while.
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Post by Little Blue Boy on Aug 25, 2018 17:40:41 GMT
There needs to be a big dose of realism by some posters on here. I'm as hacked off as anyone regarding how things have panned out over the last 2 games but if you think these (or any) managers are going to spring a miracle in the very short term you're deluding yourselves. This is a massive long term project with hugely limited resources and a bare bones squad. We're not going to be play off challengers overnight and we need to show patience however much we feel the need to castigate the management and players. I've always had 10 games in my mind before coming to any conclusions about these guys. Yes - Blyth was a complete clusterf#ck but Telford are on a roll, haven't lost all season and are currently 2nd place in the table. We need to stick together and look for signs of improvement. Getting rid of these guys now will achieve nothing and further destabilise the club that is going through a rough time. Don't underestimate how the off field problems impact on the players as the whole atmosphere is that of constantly fighting fires (or floods in this case) and bemoaning our bad luck and lack of regular competitive games due to postponements. The peerless Michael Jordan once said “I’ve missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I’ve lost almost 300 games. 26 times I’ve been trusted to take the winning shot and missed. I’ve failed over and over and over again in my life. Perseverance is why I succeed.”
Ad astra per aspera... That's rubbish, no one IS expecting miracles but its not unreasonable to expect not get humiliated every week. Compared with other teams in the division our resources are at least comparable and for many teams our resource will be greater. Are we a top 5 budget side ? - I don't think so - but to hide behind the old line of were so poor we can only avoid relegation is the type of nonsense used to excuse the dreadful way the club has been run in recent years. Humiliated every week? What on earth are you talking about? We've played four games and only lost two of them.
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Post by billyw on Aug 25, 2018 17:42:19 GMT
Some were moaning that last season we signed a load of ageing have beens. This season it seems that we have signed a load of ageing never have beens.
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Post by Lobster on Aug 25, 2018 17:48:20 GMT
Just got home from the game. very very frustrating, the amount of under hit passes, the amount of misplaced passes, the amount of times we gave the ball away, players who look like they don't know what system we are playing. And why don't the players know who takes corners etc. Two of our own players telling each other To take the corner, and that corner of ours led to a goal. FOR THEM!! The first goal we had 3 chances to clear the ball and didn't. So many individual errors. But what worries me more is a conversation I overheard at the game Not sure how true it is but apparently some of the team train in Manchester as they don't want to train in Chester, don't know if it's true, but it would explain a lot, like players not looking like they know the system and playing like they have never played together, players not knowing who is on what set piece misplaced passes etc.To me there is clearly something wrong, something missing, can't quite put my finger on it but there is something. This team have great followings I estimate around 6-700 chester fans made the trip today, they don't expect miracles, but on the same token they don't expect what is being served up at present. Far too many individual errors leading to goals conceded. Not sure what the problem is but they need to find it and quick I think that is a rumour worth asking the club about and as you say it would explain a lot. We’ve seen the Barrow chairman admit during the summer that training in Manchester was a bad idea and moved the club away from its community roots.
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Post by bazza on Aug 25, 2018 18:13:03 GMT
Lads train at the deva or saughall tuesdays and thursdays not manchester
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Post by devadiva on Aug 25, 2018 18:15:10 GMT
Just got home from the game. very very frustrating, the amount of under hit passes, the amount of misplaced passes, the amount of times we gave the ball away, players who look like they don't know what system we are playing. And why don't the players know who takes corners etc. Two of our own players telling each other To take the corner, and that corner of ours led to a goal. FOR THEM!! The first goal we had 3 chances to clear the ball and didn't. So many individual errors. But what worries me more is a conversation I overheard at the game Not sure how true it is but apparently some of the team train in Manchester as they don't want to train in Chester, don't know if it's true, but it would explain a lot, like players not looking like they know the system and playing like they have never played together, players not knowing who is on what set piece misplaced passes etc.To me there is clearly something wrong, something missing, can't quite put my finger on it but there is something. This team have great followings I estimate around 6-700 chester fans made the trip today, they don't expect miracles, but on the same token they don't expect what is being served up at present. Far too many individual errors leading to goals conceded. Not sure what the problem is but they need to find it and quick I think that is a rumour worth asking the club about and as you say it would explain a lot. We’ve seen the Barrow chairman admit during the summer that training in Manchester was a bad idea and moved the club away from its community roots. Would be great if the solution to this is as easy as changing the training location. I can see how it may solve some - v poor passing (esp Mahon today), organisation (who takes corners) but some of the failings I saw today were really basic and unforgivable - inability to defend high balls, inability of defenders to just get goalside of the attackers, stupidity (a yellow for throwing the ball away, another for shoving meaning one of our better players got substituted). It felt like 14 players who just turned up for the game and had never met each other beforehand. What’s worse still is McCarthy’s and Bignot’s teams are above us now. I agree with the posts re making our minds up after 10 games and I get Telford are on a role and if we won our games in hand we’d be in a play off place but this all feels too familiar for me to have that much faith right now....hope I’m wrong.
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Post by Si on Aug 25, 2018 18:15:59 GMT
The effort is there but sadly some of them just don’t have enough quality and you can also see their is a lack of cohesion which is perhaps to be expected given the turnover in players.
The first goal......Shenton hacks it straight at their guy but makes amends with a good save/tackle, then rather then send it out the ground Burton poked it straight at their player and it’s back in the box and in the net. A goal made by us.
Second goal......2 headers won by their players leaves Udoh nicely positioned to slot home. We simply have to clear our lines in those situations. Another goal of our doing.
Third goal.....after it took an age who should take our corner, it turns out to be a crap corner and we get caught on the counter without enough men to defend. Game over.
Learnt a few things today. The full backs aren’t good enough, too lightweight and terrible delivery whether it’s from set pieces or in open play. Stopforth really doesn’t have any quality on the ball, he runs a lot and puts some tackles in but against the top teams this won’t be enough. Matty Hughes looks lost, didn’t seem to know where he was playing. Waters is lightweight and sadly out of his depth. Dudley is not a lone striker and badly needs a strike partner. Telford were quicker and sharper than us, but will cut us some slack on that given the enforced break we have had.
Frustratingly we were starting to ask some questions in the second half but the substitution of Mahon absolutely killed any momentum we were building. He looked baffled, most fans around me looked baffled, and the players on the pitch were baffled too. He was just coming into the game and looked our main threat, and no disrespect to Thomson but he isn’t the same style of player and the tactical shift didn’t work at all. The managers take responsibility for the poor subs, and not setting instructions for who takes corners.....that was truly embarrassing.
Clutching at straws but thought after a poor start that Burton grew into the game and think him and Roberts could be an effective partnership. We badly missed Gary’s ability on the ball today, too many players scared to pass the ball properly.
The levels of abuse were shocking though. I expected that there would be a bit of stick but Jesus that was bad. We are 4 games in and ok it’s not great at the moment but can’t we just show a bit of patience? I’m not absolving the managers of responsibility but they are probably finding that some of these lads might not be what they thought, and that tactically it’s not right at the moment. At least they aren’t stubborn enough to persist with the 3-5-2 of the previous games that looked shaky, but what we saw today didn’t look the answer either. Not sure if it was just a case of some grown men not being able to take their ale, but there were some that were a real embarrassment. Welcome to Chester lads Bern and Johnno, where grown men will call you useless c***ts and tell you to fk off back to Salford after four games.....real classy club us,
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Post by Jack on Aug 25, 2018 18:21:19 GMT
It was about this time last year we all realised we'd signed a really poor, unbalanced squad and - whilst I don't think it's as bad this time - there are definitely those alarm bells ringing again.
I actually think if you took out the first 20 minutes, it was a relatively even game. Telford are a good side and they knew full well we'd be rusty and low on confidence early on and hammered the ball at us and got men around the big target man. It worked! First goal was a joke, the second was equally poor from Livesey I thought. What nobody had the ability to do, was simply put their foot on the ball and hold back the tide. It was clear they were rampant, but we just kept giving them the ball back to knock long in behind.
Second half, we did better but didn't make their goalie make a save. It was just a nothing performance start to finish. We are desperately missing Shaun Tuton, or any other striker, to play with Dudley. He's lost on his own up front - you can see he's a good player and will get goals but we're just launching the ball up at him.
I think we looked more comfortable with 4 at the back, but we just looked like we had too many square pegs in round holes to compete today. Waters showed he's a good footballer, but I don't know if he's physical enough to do the job at the back. Mahon playing centrally just doesn't work. We were desperate for a proper attacking midfielder to support Dudley and we've just got to hope George Green is exactly that.
Big negatives for me were Livesey, who I don't think can play alongside Grand in a 2. Grand seems more mobile and vocal out of the two, but I'd be looking to get Moran in for Livesey. Too slow otherwise. Also, I really hope I'm wrong but I see nothing in Pritchard whatsoever. He's lightweight, ineffective and given his set pieces were lauded when he arrived, I've been disappointed with them too.
Positives, if you can call them that, were Moran looked okay, Burton showed glimpses of what he could do and Matty Thomson was industrious when he came on and looks comfortable at the level.
It's been a strange start, even by our standards. We need to stick together and trust that AJ and BM are going to pick a system, stick with it and ask Mr Murphy very nicely if he'll give us a decent striker.
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Post by Si on Aug 25, 2018 18:25:49 GMT
It was about this time last year we all realised we'd signed a really poor, unbalanced squad and - whilst I don't think it's as bad this time - there are definitely those alarm bells ringing again. I actually think if you took out the first 20 minutes, it was a relatively even game. Telford are a good side and they knew full well we'd be rusty and low on confidence early on and hammered the ball at us and got men around the big target man. It worked! First goal was a joke, the second was equally poor from Livesey I thought. What nobody had the ability to do, was simply put their foot on the ball and hold back the tide. It was clear they were rampant, but we just kept giving them the ball back to knock long in behind. Second half, we did better but didn't make their goalie make a save. It was just a nothing performance start to finish. We are desperately missing Shaun Tuton, or any other striker, to play with Dudley. He's lost on his own up front - you can see he's a good player and will get goals but we're just launching the ball up at him. I think we looked more comfortable with 4 at the back, but we just looked like we had too many square pegs in round holes to compete today. Waters showed he's a good footballer, but I don't know if he's physical enough to do the job at the back. Mahon playing centrally just doesn't work. We were desperate for a proper attacking midfielder to support Dudley and we've just got to hope George Green is exactly that. Big negatives for me were Livesey, who I don't think can play alongside Grand in a 2. Grand seems more mobile and vocal out of the two, but I'd be looking to get Moran in for Livesey. Too slow otherwise. Also, I really hope I'm wrong but I see nothing in Pritchard whatsoever. He's lightweight, ineffective and given his set pieces were lauded when he arrived, I've been disappointed with them too. Positives, if you can call them that, were Moran looked okay, Burton showed glimpses of what he could do and Matty Thomson again looked the part when he came on. It's been a strange start, even by our standards. We need to stick together and trust that AJ and BM are going to pick a system, stick with it and ask Mr Murphy very nicely if he'll give us a decent striker. You are right about Dudley, he looks like he’d be alright but is not a lone striker. Our attacking ideas for the majority seemed like the full backs clipping aimless balls down the channels and trying the win the scraps.....it’s going to be a long hard season if it continues like that. George Green and Deane a Smalley are turning into better players each week without kicking a ball!
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Post by Rio Doherty on Aug 25, 2018 18:27:13 GMT
Well that was another abject performance by us today which has left me even more worried. We have had a long 2 week break to recharge the batteries and get over the Blyth debacle, but what has made me frustrated is that our players have not repaid us supporters at all, and have put in a heartless display for the second time. I know for a fact that Telford are a very good side and played us off the park today, but over the last two games we have looked extremely disjointed and have had no clue whatsoever on what to do.
I could not believe how low our communication and concentration levels were this afternoon. The amount of times our players didn’t know who was taking a corner, a free kick or even a THROW IN was uncountable. An amount of our supporters understandably booed them off at half time and chanted the likes of ‘’you’re not fit to wear the shirt’’, but any professional should switch off from stuff like that and get on with the game. It’s fair to say that we are only 4 games into what will be a long season. Personally, I will make a fairer judgment after 10 games because so far we have put in two good performances in our first two games, whilst our last two displays have been simply unacceptable.
Our supporters have a defined right to give their opinions whether it is at a game or on a message board. However, I did notice that a few of our players’ confidence levels dropped deeper as the match progressed. Give them their due, they did come over to us at full time although Bern and Jonno didn’t acknowledge our support whatsoever and disappeared down the tunnel. It is quite sad reading some of the comments tonight as it appears that the jury is starting to come out from a few posters on here. Whilst these last 2 results have been poor, we must give them our full support as to call for somebody’s head 4 games in isn’t right in my opinion. They are here for the long term and blips like this will happen.
These last 18 months has certainly not been short of negativity but we must continue to support our club because eventually things will start to click. We now have a full week to prepare for Guiseley so anything less than a win there will make things turn even more sourer.
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