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Post by Lobster on Sept 5, 2018 19:46:46 GMT
Fan ownership can and does work, but we need to make it work, otherwise it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy that it doesn’t.
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Post by richard on Sept 5, 2018 19:51:24 GMT
The Board would be very ill advised to co-opt any prospective board member who had been rejected by the CFU membership. I'm sure the board would take this into account. |
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Post by geoff on Sept 5, 2018 19:53:50 GMT
Let's get one thing clear. I'm not advocating a shift to private ownership. I will never advocate that. I do think that we need more volunteers involved at the club and especially on the working groups if we find ourselves low on directors. The working groups take the brunt of the workload which would otherwise prove impossible for just one person. I will gladly go back onto Commercial but first I need to concentrate on my Mrs and kids after she unexpectedly lost her dad a few weeks ago. I would encourage anyone with a couple of hours spare per week to email the club and ask to get involved because it is very rewarding and I have learnt an awful lot from my experience All, firstly sorry to hear of your loss. Family must come first. I completely agree that we need more volunteers. If there has been one harsh lesson in the last season or two, it's that each director needs help and a lot of help or they will fail. It's really hard work but as you mention, it is rewarding. I have been volunteering since we reformed and whilst I am humbled by our fantastic volunteers, the fact is that there are not enough. I'm personally not surprised that there are only three candidates putting themselves forward for election to the board. It can be thankless, very time consuming and a big responsibility. |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Sept 5, 2018 19:56:25 GMT
The Board would be very ill advised to co-opt any prospective board member who had been rejected by the CFU membership. I'm sure the board would take this into account. Richard, in light of your report earlier this year - are you aware of any contingency or continuity planning that has been undertaken to ensure that the treasurer/financial director role will be adequately filled following the election? |
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Post by tinagsdog on Sept 5, 2018 19:58:46 GMT
Cannot believe someone with a history of being a bully and domestic violence is being considered for this role. Sums up the club at the moment really.
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Post by geoff on Sept 5, 2018 20:00:33 GMT
Richard....add to your last paragraph, the abuse you may get if you seek election. Yes quite a thankless role and I have the utmost respect for our current Board members and Banksy and Calvin who I’m sure we be elected.
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Post by geoff on Sept 5, 2018 20:06:13 GMT
Cannot believe someone with a history of being a bully and domestic violence is being considered for this role. Sums up the club at the moment really. You are barking up the wrong tree. The board have to receive nominations from any CFU member...it is for the membership to vote to appoint or reject any candidate. There is no criticism that can be leveled at the Club on this issue. |
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Sept 5, 2018 20:06:30 GMT
Cannot believe someone with a history of being a bully and domestic violence is being considered for this role. Sums up the club at the moment really. 1. The club aren't considering anything. The board members are only made aware of the prospective candidates at the same time as the membership. Any CFU member can stand for election, and every CFU member can vote. That's democracy. 2. See earlier mention of libel re: your other comment. |
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Post by hackett on Sept 5, 2018 20:09:20 GMT
Why do the proxy votes get sent to the Wrexham supporters trust?
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Sept 5, 2018 20:10:59 GMT
Why do the proxy votes get sent to the Wrexham supporters trust? Independent adjudicators. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 20:23:30 GMT
The car crash that is Chester these days keeps on going. I dread to log on to see what the next PR disaster is. Well I hope you are not insinuating the PR disaster as you describe it is of the club's making? As a former member of the election management group, I can confirm that anyone who satisfies the criteria of CFU membership can rightfully apply to represent the membership on the board of directors. The CFU Board has no right to deny such an application if it is legitimate and satisfies the criteria. This is a democratic process that is at the foundation of our core principles. It's simple to understand. If you approve of a candidate, you can vote for them, if not, then don't. Also, the club cannot and will not be able to make any comment on this matter. The process is that none of the directors will have known about who had put themselves forward until the membership had been advised. Did I say It was the clubs making ? No, and you knew that.
I was merely pointing out this is yet another 'bad news' story associated with the club, bad news seems to be the norm these last few months, years perhaps. Is it any wonder people are getting disillusioned with the club ? Its becoming less of a sporting institution, more an endless discussion of around how a co-operative is run, we talk more of the ins and outs of a sub committee and the electoral process than we do about football, the fun has gone for many I'm afraid.
I really long for the days when we were a FOOTBALL club, not this.
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Post by mrswoman on Sept 5, 2018 20:28:20 GMT
Well I hope you are not insinuating the PR disaster as you describe it is of the club's making? As a former member of the election management group, I can confirm that anyone who satisfies the criteria of CFU membership can rightfully apply to represent the membership on the board of directors. The CFU Board has no right to deny such an application if it is legitimate and satisfies the criteria. This is a democratic process that is at the foundation of our core principles. It's simple to understand. If you approve of a candidate, you can vote for them, if not, then don't. Also, the club cannot and will not be able to make any comment on this matter. The process is that none of the directors will have known about who had put themselves forward until the membership had been advised. Did I say It was the clubs making ? No, and you knew that.
I was merely pointing out this is yet another 'bad news' story associated with the club, bad news seems to be the norm these last few months, years perhaps. Is it any wonder people are getting disillusioned with the club ? Its becoming less of a sporting institution, more an endless discussion of around how a co-operative is run, we talk more of the ins and outs of a sub committee and the electoral process than we do about football, the fun has gone for many I'm afraid.
I really long for the days when we were a FOOTBALL club, not this.
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Post by mrswoman on Sept 5, 2018 20:28:39 GMT
spot on
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Post by richard on Sept 5, 2018 20:29:06 GMT
I'm sure the board would take this into account. Richard, in light of your report earlier this year - are you aware of any contingency or continuity planning that has been undertaken to ensure that the treasurer/financial director role will be adequately filled following the election? Yes, contingency plans regarding the finance department resource is happening right now. I'm afraid I can be no more specific than that at this time. |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Sept 5, 2018 20:33:54 GMT
Richard, in light of your report earlier this year - are you aware of any contingency or continuity planning that has been undertaken to ensure that the treasurer/financial director role will be adequately filled following the election? Yes, contingency plans regarding the finance department resource is happening right now. I'm afraid I can be no more specific than that at this time. I appreciate that Richard, thanks for replying. It is pleasing to know that contingency planning is in place. |
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Post by richard on Sept 5, 2018 20:36:15 GMT
Did I say It was the clubs making ? No, and you knew that.
I was merely pointing out this is yet another 'bad news' story associated with the club, bad news seems to be the norm these last few months, years perhaps. Is it any wonder people are getting disillusioned with the club ? Its becoming less of a sporting institution, more an endless discussion of around how a co-operative is run, we talk more of the ins and outs of a sub committee and the electoral process than we do about football, the fun has gone for many I'm afraid.
I really long for the days when we were a FOOTBALL club, not this.
With respect, that was not clear to me, hence my response. This is a thread that has picked up on a vital part of the club's make up, constitution and electoral process. Anyway, no offence intended. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 20:40:34 GMT
With respect, that was not clear to me, hence my response. This is a thread that has picked up on a vital part of the club's make up, constitution and electoral process. Anyway, no offence intended. None taken. |
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Post by richard on Sept 5, 2018 20:56:24 GMT
Why do the proxy votes get sent to the Wrexham supporters trust? Independent adjudicators. Yes, as Fan owned clubs we help each other as independent adjudicators at election time. I acted for CFC on Wrexhams election management committee this year. I got the traditional welcome at their AGM earlier this summer, but it was all in good humour. The good thing for Wrexham is that they had far more interest in joining their board this year and an election was necessary. |
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Post by boughtonblue on Sept 5, 2018 21:28:33 GMT
Independent adjudicators. Yes, as Fan owned clubs we help each other as independent adjudicators at election time. I acted for CFC on Wrexhams election management committee this year. I got the traditional welcome at their AGM earlier this summer, but it was all in good humour. The good thing for Wrexham is that they had far more interest in joining their board this year and an election was necessary. Thank god for people like yourself Richard who choose to give up there time for the football club we love. Over 45 years if supporting this club there has been entry of ups and downs, we need to pull together and see the bigger picture |
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Post by inthedoghouse on Sept 5, 2018 21:49:34 GMT
As a regular on the Terry Vickers trundler in the less than glorious Sear,Sainty,Mgrath glory days (and you think youve witnessed some shite in the last couple of seasons!!!!) and into the McNally era, i can vouch for the fact that PC Evans was much reviled amongst all the faces who revelled in a nostalgia for an occasional innocent dust up which prevailed during that era. Remember he was a breed of copper who seemed to actively enjoy his unpopular profile and any of our boys would know he could nail you if you stepped out of line or maybe if you even thought about it!! He was actively involved within the club during the Ratcliffe/Guterman era and i remember turning up for a pre season friendly against Cwmbran?? at Caldecot to witness Evans driving the team bus into the ground. Anyone remember Turf Moor during that era? Risked your life getting to the away turnstyle down a blind alley. Mate of mine got leathered (good lad-no trouble) and as the culprit ran to flee he ran straight into a right hook from Evans in civvies, who collared him. Never had a problem with the bloke to be honest but can understand why this would be viewed as a typical CFC own goal
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