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Post by Lobster on Oct 4, 2017 6:09:51 GMT
Mahon was only on for 10 mins. We missed him for the next 80 whilst Fake Footballer had a go at shying away from the ball. Mahon cam be inconsistent but be never hides and always get 100% and pride in wearing the shirt. Him and Astles are indispensable.....no Mahon no width. No Astles at the back would make me shudder. And both were signed from local lower league clubs. To give Burr a rare piece of credit, I actually thought he was pretty good at picking up players from the lower divisions, but it's something McCarthy hardly did at all. He just seemed to sign Conference journeymen who mostly should've dropped into the sixth or seventh tier by now, and reward them with contract extensions.
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Post by Lobster on Oct 4, 2017 6:23:44 GMT
I quite liked what Bignot had to say about the game. Admitted the performance wasn't there and said we need to at least make sure we don't lose if we play like that. Briefly mentioned that they might have been a bit fresher from having a game at the weekend but didn't harp on about it or use it as an excuse. McCarthy would've rambled on for ages about how the players, coaches, coach driver etc were so desperately disappointed about Saturday's postponement and we're still licking our wounds and blah blah blah.
What we need to do is get out of the mentality that everything's against us. We've had some bad luck this season, but we've also ridden our luck for all it's worth to amass the small number of points we've got. McCarthy never stopped going on about the Solihull postponement and how it had disrupted our preparations. When the rearranged fixture came round, we were sure to lose it because we saw it as an inconvenience and didn't want to be there. We've got to make sure we don't do the same with Eastleigh. I saw Halls (perhaps jokingly) tweeted complaining about now having to go to Eastleigh on a Tuesday night. Tough! Don't moan about fixtures - they're all a chance for you to play well and pick up points.
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Post by dmcnally on Oct 4, 2017 7:29:33 GMT
We’re knackered in more ways than one. The players only train 3 x a week and are on full time money. We’ve attracted ordinary players here for a part time job and full time wage. Where we are in the league we need more, much more. MaGuire you’ve stuffed us. Your advice and sanctioning of these decisions has shafted our club. But at least you’ve managed to appoint another Yes Man as manager.. We are DOOMED. Bignot another yes man.. clueless
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Post by dmcnally on Oct 4, 2017 7:32:40 GMT
We will stay up.
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Post by mcseal on Oct 4, 2017 7:53:25 GMT
Wish I had your confidence. I'm mentally preparing to be coming up against Curzon Ashton next year.
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Post by dmcnally on Oct 4, 2017 7:56:15 GMT
Wish I had your confidence. I'm mentally preparing to be coming up against Curzon Ashton next year. Just putting it out there so I can reflect on it in a few months.
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Post by Woody on Oct 4, 2017 7:57:37 GMT
Looking forward to Saturday, we will be fresher.
I do feel for Marcus though, we have no pace at the back. Halls is no right back mcCombe and Astles great in the air and tackle, Rowe Turner could of done better to close the cross for the goal down but good going forward at times. Our keeper is unfit and any back pass, cross or ball over the top where he has to move his feet quickly is a complete risk. Even the free kick first half past the post I think if on target he wouldn't have go to it. Dover was the same any shot to the side of him where he has to move or a cross to the far post where he has to move his feet quickly he gets beaten. He's is a good shot stopper when in close proximatety but I have more confidence in Mitchell.
Our midfield players are much of the same mould except Mahon and we have no width.
Our young strikers can show potential but can't beat the experienced defenders in this league as for Riss Hannsh sadly I think we seen his best days in his last stint at our club.
We need to find the formula and winning mentality and rid of a high percentage of dead wood in the squad that have been mentioned previously and get some pace down the wings and more importantly a team that move for each other to offer a option for a player on the ball.
A lot to do however I think we can stay up when we get the right mix and formula
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Post by Hannibal on Oct 4, 2017 8:06:24 GMT
To be honest apart from the 12th place finish season and up to Christmas last year we've struggled to compete in a virtually full time league with part-time amateurish preparations. I thought Woking were part-time, but they looked like a well-prepared full-time team last night. I'm obviously going to give MB time to stamp his authority on the team, but I feel we'll be in the Conference North before that begins to happen apace. I left with my lad after the second goal went in (he does early shifts), but I got the distinct feeling as I passed MB in his technical area that he looked like he wanted to be elsewhere. If he keeps us up this season he will deserve the Freedom of Chester.
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Post by sqzl on Oct 4, 2017 8:19:27 GMT
One loss and the DC faithful return to sort. We were never as bad as what some people are saying. Hannah should have scored at least once and we hit the woodwork twice before Halls made another poor mistake. It was a very slow start, made worse by conceding early and then just when you think things are getting a touch better, we lose our only credible winger in Craig Mahon. Worrying when you think Chappell may end up coming back into the side. I would be half tempted to play Sheron on the wing next game or bring in an emergency loan. MB has a big job on, we all know that, but I've seen us play far worse and get results.
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Post by rcb on Oct 4, 2017 8:23:00 GMT
As I have said many times it was quite clear that there was something drastically wrong at the end of last season. The ignorant and the board are solely responsible for the predicament in which we are presently in. Let's hope MB is allowed to make some changes as it seems we will struggle to stay up if he can't. He's only had two games and no doubt will of learnt a lot tonight. We are not too far away from needing to win 1 in 2 to stay up. That looks a big ask at the moment. What an honest and accurate post. McCarthy being retained is the most appalling thing that could have happened, and yet those who complained long and hard about his retention were pilloried by far too many on here. Similarly, when Maguire has been criticised the same defenders spring to the fore, with nonsense implying it's "nothing to do with him, the board make the decisions". An orchestra plays all the music but it's the conductor that "orchestrates" the whole show! Forget the unbalanced squad brought in, just look at the good players released merely for having an honest opinion. Forget Lupus as the mascot, we need an ostrich mascot as an homage to the many happy clappers, the board included, who got us into this predicament by burying their heads in the sand for far too long. Marcus Bignot will need to have the ability to feed our largest crowd since we reformed with only a few loaves and fishes if we are to avoid relegation. Perhaps being able to walk on water would also help! All those that got the club into this state remain. Don't forget McCarthy was only their employee.
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Post by Woody on Oct 4, 2017 8:26:45 GMT
One loss and the DC faithful return to sort. We were never as bad as what some people are saying. Hannah should have scored at least once and we hit the woodwork twice before Halls made another poor mistake. It was a very slow start, made worse by conceding early and then just when you think things are getting a touch better, we lose our only credible winger in Craig Mahon. Worrying when you think Chappell may end up coming back into the side. I would be half tempted to play Sheron on the wing next game or bring in an emergency loan. MB has a big job on, we all know that, but I've seen us play far worse and get results. I agree totally under JM we would of been backs against the walk all game defending, we do create chances now but yet again our own worse enemies two stray passes and two goals. I think Mitchell would of gott something on the cross for the first goal as he has much more ability to move quicker on his feet compared to Lynch. The back pass was poor but if Mitchell was in goal it would have been dispatched into the greyhound park.
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Post by Harry Lime on Oct 4, 2017 8:44:17 GMT
It will be interesting to see what MB does after that. It was as bad as it could be.
Only Astles and Rowe-Turner played well. McCombe, Lynch and Shaw did about ok. Hannah and Dawson tried hard.
James looked like he'd been drugged. Hardly controlled anything all game. What happened to Aki's runs into the channels against Maidenhead? He didn't do that once last night. Despite there being space behind their back four as they pushed up?
We tried to spread our midfield, but just ended up being overrun in the middle, and no pace out wide.
The lack of options for MB is frightening. No cover at the back. Five central midfield players. No pace on the wings, except Chappell. Four strikers who either aren't fit or consistent.
MB will either turn this around and prove himself to be proper manager, or he won't. I don't share DCMcNally's optimism about staying up. There don't seem to be many bad teams down there. It could be touch and go.
Strangely after all those negative comments regarding the squad, I don't think it's that far off being a reasonable team. A few changes here and there would make a huge difference. Let's see how MB and the players react at Tranmere and Kiddie. They're even bigger games now.
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Post by hughdemann on Oct 4, 2017 9:34:18 GMT
My second game of the season, and thought we were worth a draw, Astles header hit the post then we gave away that sloppy goal.
We do lack ideas up front, we still have nobody looking for the ball when we get a throw in, and Astles is our most likely goal scorer, so room for improvement.
Lets put things in perspective, Woking last 8 games are W6 D1 L1 including beating Macc & Sutton, so lets hope Saturday brings an up turn in luck and form.
I hope Astles plays, looked like he was carrying a knock second half.
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Post by Si on Oct 4, 2017 9:39:37 GMT
One loss and the DC faithful return to sort. We were never as bad as what some people are saying. Hannah should have scored at least once and we hit the woodwork twice before Halls made another poor mistake. It was a very slow start, made worse by conceding early and then just when you think things are getting a touch better, we lose our only credible winger in Craig Mahon. Worrying when you think Chappell may end up coming back into the side. I would be half tempted to play Sheron on the wing next game or bring in an emergency loan. MB has a big job on, we all know that, but I've seen us play far worse and get results. I don't think it was terrible and I've seen us play much worse. But we were still comfortably second best and Woking thoroughly deserved the points. MB was spot on in saying that its games like that where we're not quite at it where we've got to make sure we don't lose. I'd say if Halls didn't kill us then I'd have fancied us to get a point out of that. The concerning thing is still the fact that teams out pass us and have far superior movement. When Woking had the ball last night they had 4 or 5 players all on the move and making themselves available and dragging us out of position. When we get the ball the movement is completely static and we either hoof it or pass it to someone who has a man on their heels. We have got to be more streetwise than that, but we have no width so it becomes easy for teams to mark men and nullify the attack. As another poster pointed out, what worked against Maidenhead was balls in the channel to Aki and then getting midfield runners involved but it didn't happen last night. Aki was well marked and didn't take his marker away from his position enough, and Woking pressed Dawson in possession fully knowing that he's one of the few that can spray some passes about given time and space. The single most concerning thing is the lack of competition in certain areas, which we have JM to thank for, and can only be rectified by hoping for a Bob Gray style cup run.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 9:57:17 GMT
Just watched MB's post match interview
He's not a happy chappy, tried to disguise it a little bit but sense he's furious and certain players are in his sights. I've said it before, after the chummy JM era, the players are in for a rude awakening
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Post by Matt on Oct 4, 2017 12:09:32 GMT
2nd best from start to finish, we had a few chances but Woking were solid, organised and much quicker to the ball. Only my 2nd game of the season but from what I've seen there are a few players carrying a bit of weight. The fitness was no where near Wokings and you could tell that even in the first half.
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Post by imadeva on Oct 4, 2017 12:59:27 GMT
Another team move the ball quicker are fitter seems to be a pattern here,A good example is Ryan astles who always gets away with criticism. The lad dives into so many last ditch tackles which gets most fans applauding (not me)its because of the lack of pace and fitness.A decent fit centre half would simply stand up and jockey his man.Its not that I don't like astle because I do,but he or macombe needs a partner with some pace,
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Post by Matt on Oct 4, 2017 13:46:06 GMT
Another team move the ball quicker are fitter seems to be a pattern here,A good example is Ryan astles who always gets away with criticism. The lad dives into so many last ditch tackles which gets most fans applauding (not me)its because of the lack of pace and fitness.A decent fit centre half would simply stand up and jockey his man.Its not that I don't like astle because I do,but he or macombe needs a partner with some pace, He always give his best but last night when he ran to get the ball he had 5 yards on the attacker and he caught up to him instantly. Also noticed he was wobbling around a bit, not seen that even with our players in the Evo-Stik.
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Post by johnboy on Oct 4, 2017 15:19:05 GMT
Didn’t go last night but listened to the live commentary and having just watched the highlights on the Vanarame site appears we were pretty unlucky not to equalise - Hannah should have scored and Astles was unlucky with his chance off the post. Didn’t see Lynch make a save the whole game....... their keeper made quite a few. No alarm bells just yet for me.
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Post by bonecrusher on Oct 4, 2017 16:57:37 GMT
Just seen the Vanarama highlights. The second goal was as much to do with a crap half arsed attempt by Lynch as the rubbish back pass by Halls. Watch it again. The back pass is underhit but if Lynch is slightly quicker (would help if he lost some weight) and then goes for the ball with his right foot he would play it out of play easily. Instead he goes with the wrong foot, easily gets there first but then plays it straight against their player. Totally avoidable rubbish from both players.
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Post by weststandblue on Oct 4, 2017 17:15:39 GMT
Just seen the Vanarama highlights. The second goal was as much to do with a crap half arsed attempt by Lynch as the rubbish back pass by Halls. Watch it again. The back pass is underhit but if Lynch is slightly quicker (would help if he lost some weight) and then goes for the ball with his right foot he would play it out of play easily. Instead he goes with the wrong foot, easily gets there first but then plays it straight against their player. Totally avoidable rubbish from both players. I thought this at the time it went it. Whilst it was a rubbish back pass, lynch seemed to dally before actually getting there and kicking it against there player. He worries me as a keeper.
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Post by northender on Oct 4, 2017 17:21:19 GMT
We were badly second best for 30 mins and then came back into it giving some hope for the second half. Had Astle's header gone in when we were getting to grips with them in the second half we may well have held on or even nicked it. Up to that point we had atually made more chances than Woking, whose goalie was very good indeed [apart from his Wayne Brown impersonation on clearances]. Halls' error was awful but the back four were clearly under orders to play through Lynch if they had no other option [well, Pep does it....] so a mis-hit pass at some point was always possible.
However it was noticeable from the off that Woking's team looked to be far better conditioned and athletic than us and for most of the match they were a yard faster in thought and action. No one could complain at the result. Much remedial work to be done. Like many posters I am also concerned about the lack of quality. Neither full back can defend though NLT looks useful as a winger; both CBs are lumbering but full marks to Astles for commitment and effort, he was by far our MoTM IMO. Akin is too lightweight on this evidence and Hannah is not up to match sharpness. Shaw had one to forget and was clearly frustrated when he was pulled off. Not helped by having his partner pushed onto the right flank and having to do too much on his own to hold midfield together. Dawson was crowded out but had a couple of good touches. Davies, as noted, was out of his depth but Mahon had looked a bit of a headless chicken before Davies replaced him.
MB has some hard work ahead of him and needs to crack a whip; it will be a big test of his ability and I guess a few well-chosen words and a dose of hard work may upset a few complacent souls. Not before time.
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Post by toto on Oct 4, 2017 18:43:26 GMT
Its all a bit confusing from the outside looking in. Many on here have said we have a better team than lat season and the only issue was the manger and his tactics. New manager now and the players are being criticized for not being good enough...that's football fans for you! (I am no exception)
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Post by Lobster on Oct 4, 2017 19:23:01 GMT
Just seen the Vanarama highlights. The second goal was as much to do with a crap half arsed attempt by Lynch as the rubbish back pass by Halls. Watch it again. The back pass is underhit but if Lynch is slightly quicker (would help if he lost some weight) and then goes for the ball with his right foot he would play it out of play easily. Instead he goes with the wrong foot, easily gets there first but then plays it straight against their player. Totally avoidable rubbish from both players. I thought this at the time it went it. Whilst it was a rubbish back pass, lynch seemed to dally before actually getting there and kicking it against there player. He worries me as a keeper. 90% Halls' fault I think. Lynch maybe could've done a bit better, but you don't expect a suicidal backpass like that. He barely even looked where he was kicking it.
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Post by wittonwonder on Oct 4, 2017 19:38:00 GMT
Wish I had your confidence. I'm mentally preparing to be coming up against Curzon Ashton next year. And us if we are promoted, mind you after going top we have lost four on the trot.....
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Post by Jack on Oct 4, 2017 19:53:13 GMT
It has to be said that if Astles header had been an inch the other way, we'd have levelled the game at a time when we were pushing on and on top. Not denying that Woking sounded the better team overall but we've got to keep it in context. MB has definitely improved us and will continue to do so.
I still don't think this is a relegation squad, and I'm confident we'll be well away from the drop zone come April. You can't overstate the negative impact JM has had on our start to the season, it's resulted in an unbalanced, unfit squad. Bignot will turn it around, but it will take time.
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Post by chesterken on Oct 4, 2017 22:51:58 GMT
Sometimes in football you just get beaton by a better team it happens we just need to move on and see what happens next instead of the usual over reaction:
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Post by loskasleftfoot on Oct 4, 2017 23:24:07 GMT
I thought this at the time it went it. Whilst it was a rubbish back pass, lynch seemed to dally before actually getting there and kicking it against there player. He worries me as a keeper. 90% Halls' fault I think. Lynch maybe could've done a bit better, but you don't expect a suicidal backpass like that. He barely even looked where he was kicking it. The initial pass from McCombe to Halls was behind him, Halls dealt with it badly and played a poor pass to Lynch but a decent keeper would have put the ball out of the ground I'd score it 20% McCombe, 30% Halls and 50% Lynch. The dog's abuse that Halls received by supposed fans around me was disgraceful. He struggled as did others but didn't deserve that.
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Post by Imperial on Oct 5, 2017 1:04:17 GMT
We were badly second best for 30 mins and then came back into it giving some hope for the second half. Had Astle's header gone in when we were getting to grips with them in the second half we may well have held on or even nicked it. Up to that point we had atually made more chances than Woking, whose goalie was very good indeed [apart from his Wayne Brown impersonation on clearances]. Halls' error was awful but the back four were clearly under orders to play through Lynch if they had no other option [well, Pep does it....] so a mis-hit pass at some point was always possible. However it was noticeable from the off that Woking's team looked to be far better conditioned and athletic than us and for most of the match they were a yard faster in thought and action. No one could complain at the result. Much remedial work to be done. Like many posters I am also concerned about the lack of quality. Neither full back can defend though NLT looks useful as a winger; both CBs are lumbering but full marks to Astles for commitment and effort, he was by far our MoTM IMO. Akin is too lightweight on this evidence and Hannah is not up to match sharpness. Shaw had one to forget and was clearly frustrated when he was pulled off. Not helped by having his partner pushed onto the right flank and having to do too much on his own to hold midfield together. Dawson was crowded out but had a couple of good touches. Davies, as noted, was out of his depth but Mahon had looked a bit of a headless chicken before Davies replaced him. MB has some hard work ahead of him and needs to crack a whip; it will be a big test of his ability and I guess a few well-chosen words and a dose of hard work may upset a few complacent souls. Not before time. Woking's keeper did make plenty of saves but the vast majority were straight at him. There wasn't one misplaced pass, there were quite literally dozens. Presume by NLT you're referring to Lathaniel Rowe-Turner, to say he can't defend is very harsh, he's made some crucial tackles for us this season though I'd agree he looks an absolute weapon driving forward. Aki had probably his worst game so far this season that I've seen but in general has been one of our most consistent in terms of effort & comittment. Shaw had a good game, was everywhere & ran the midfield, he came off because after only playing 120ish minutes, he's not match fit. He & James haven't played together in the middle this season, before Maidenhead James & Dawson were mainly playing there.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Oct 5, 2017 6:15:54 GMT
Match highlights:
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