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Post by billyw on Feb 11, 2017 15:43:23 GMT
That was abysmal. What on earth was McCarthy doing today? Why so defensive? We are at home and playing 1 up front. You had your chance to bring in a striker on loan McCarthy and didn't. Where is that width? Lloyd, Mahon, Chapell, O'Brien ALL not starting. Complete joke. Sort it out McCarthy. That was a complete embarrassment. Agree on all counts. it was shocking. Why didn't McCarthy start with Vassell and Horwood at full back and put Hughes in midfield. Gateshead' keeper never had a shot to save all match and on the basis of today and our results since Christmas, the 50 point safety target is looking far from a foregone conclusion.
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Feb 11, 2017 15:44:34 GMT
Frustrating today.
We started the better and deserved our 1-0 lead. Their equaliser seemed to knock the stuffing out of us though. It was a good run by the lad but we were crying out for someone to put a foot in and I think Roberts will be disappointed with how he dealt with the shot.
Second half was inexcusably poor. We just didn't create enough and although Gateshead are always a well organised side you need to be doing more at home when you're chasing the game.
Alabi was my MOM, he worked really hard and caused them problems. He was though, hopelessly isolated at times and it was largely down to the formation.
Some big games coming up because not only should we pick up points, we really HAVE to pick up points. I know the usual suspects will point to the fact that we're pretty safe (for now) but we know how easily a few defeats can become a run of something more worrying.
The last 3/4 games were always going to be challenging. We do need to start putting points on the board again though, no matter how safe we may look.
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Post by Charfield Blue on Feb 11, 2017 15:46:10 GMT
That was abysmal. What on earth was McCarthy doing today? Why so defensive? We are at home and playing 1 up front. You had your chance to bring in a striker on loan McCarthy and didn't. Where is that width? Lloyd, Mahon, Chapell, O'Brien ALL not starting. Complete joke. Sort it out McCarthy. That was a complete embarrassment. Agree on all counts. it was shocking. Why didn't McCarthy start with Vassell and Horwood at full back and put Hughes in midfield. Gateshead' keeper never had a shot to save all match and on the basis of today and our results since Christmas, the 50 point safety target is looking far from a foregone conclusion. Well Billy - if you like bets on far from conclusions I'll offer you 10-1 on the 50 points?
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Post by border collie on Feb 11, 2017 15:50:30 GMT
Lynch Vassell, Hughes, Astles, Horwood Durrell, Shaw, George, Lloyd Richards, Alabi. ... should have been our line up today. Is it really that hard Macca? Agreed ,apart from Horwood, i would have put Waters in at left back .
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Post by Al on Feb 11, 2017 15:51:25 GMT
Bloody hell that was shit
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2017 15:55:03 GMT
Felt a bit for the manager today. He needs someone to bounce off and to offer ideas and again today Iwelumo was absent. Im sorry but I have to question that appointment.
Quite a few 5s and a couple of 4s there today, but if we took 2 good chances were out of sight after an hour.
However seeing the clock end like that, and the wonderful scenes at half time, makes me very confident about what Jim Green and Andy Ruscoe are doing off the field.
Onto next week...
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Post by blue4life on Feb 11, 2017 15:59:45 GMT
Felt a bit for the manager today. He needs someone to bounce off and to offer ideas and again today Iwelumo was absent. Im sorry but I have to question that appointment. Quite a few 5s and a couple of 4s there today, but if we took 2 good chances were out of sight after an hour. However seeing the clock end like that, and the wonderful scenes at half time, makes me very confident about what Jim Green and Andy Ruscoe are doing off the field. Onto next week... How can you feel for the manager when it was McCarthy who wanted Iwelumo as his assistant.
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Post by Anders on Feb 11, 2017 16:02:53 GMT
Two left backs to choose from today, Horwood or Waters. One right back in Vassell.
We end up playing the right back at left back, one of the left backs in midfield and our best centre back at right back. WHY!?
Trying to be too clever I'm afraid.
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Post by Charfield Blue on Feb 11, 2017 16:08:19 GMT
My biggest concern is that what we are trying to achieve as a fans owned club requires a level of intelligence, buy in and patience that the average football fan in this era doesn't have.
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Post by Distant Thunder on Feb 11, 2017 16:10:37 GMT
The manager suggested that he had Vassell at left back to be a physical presence. Surely killock in that position would have been a better sub for him then, and that would not have forced a change in shape?
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Post by dmcnally on Feb 11, 2017 16:17:28 GMT
McCarthy is losing the plot. I can't even work out what the hell he was trying today. Think my little brother could have set out that team better today.
As it has been previously stated, we have 3 left backs. 2 right backs. Yet today we played a right back at left back and a centre back at right back?!?!?!?!?!?!!?
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Post by Mr Mark on Feb 11, 2017 16:21:21 GMT
Frustrating today. We started the better and deserved our 1-0 lead. Their equaliser seemed to knock the stuffing out of us though. It was a good run by the lad but we were crying out for someone to put a foot in and I think Roberts will be disappointed with how he dealt with the shot. Second half was inexcusably poor. We just didn't create enough and although Gateshead are always a well organised side you need to be doing more at home when you're chasing the game. Alabi was my MOM, he worked really hard and caused them problems. He was though, hopelessly isolated at times and it was largely down to the formation. Some big games coming up because not only should we pick up points, we really HAVE to pick up points. I know the usual suspects will point to the fact that we're pretty safe (for now) but we know how easily a few defeats can become a run of something more worrying. The last 3/4 games were always going to be challenging. We do need to start putting points on the board again though, no matter how safe we may look. Pretty much go along with this summary of the game. The first half was ok, but as soon as Gateshead got the equaliser not long after we scored we then gradually lost confidence and couldn't get a grip on the game.
Alabi tried hard all match and was unfortunate not to score with one effort in the second half, but he clearly found it difficult to create much when he's up front on his own. Richards tried to make things happen a bit when he came on, but it wasn't a good enough display by Chester in the second half. Certainly not the best game of football on show for live TV.
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Post by billyw on Feb 11, 2017 16:21:55 GMT
Very poor after the first 1/2 hour. No energy to show for a pass = lump it up in the hope that Alabi can make something of it. Never going to work. Not sure who got MOM but I'd struggle to pick anyone,maybe Hudson for his goal and last ditch tackle. Thought Joyce had a reasonable game in contrast to some comments above. Hudson got MoM
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Post by border collie on Feb 11, 2017 16:25:31 GMT
My biggest concern is that what we are trying to achieve as a fans owned club requires a level of intelligence, buy in and patience that the average football fan in this era doesn't have. You sound just like Robbie Savage on 606 a couple of weeks ago ,making condescending remarks about footy fans being idiots . he wasnt on the show last week (he also insulted our fans on the same prog ) hope he doesnt return .
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Post by histsci on Feb 11, 2017 16:27:23 GMT
I thought we looked good before Vassell went off. Hughes at right back and Vassell on the left isn't ideal but they've both played there this season. Horwood was very poor when he went back, and should only play left mid for me (which he's good at). We completely lost our shape once Vassell had gone off, though we were unfortunate for their first (poor from Roberts). The main thing that McCarthy should have done was bring Richards on at half time, taking off either George or Joyce, and going to a 442. He could have then brought Chapell on for the last 20 minutes or so if needed.
So, a bit of an odd line up was doing well. But for an injury and some poor decisions it might have got us something.
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Post by Charfield Blue on Feb 11, 2017 16:28:01 GMT
My biggest concern is that what we are trying to achieve as a fans owned club requires a level of intelligence, buy in and patience that the average football fan in this era doesn't have. You sound just like Robbie Savage on 606 a couple of weeks ago ,making condescending remarks about footy fans being idiots . he wasnt on the show last week (he also insulted our fans on the same prog ) hope he doesnt return . I listen to 606 and despite Robbie being a goat I like his take on the game. If the idiot cap fits - wear it. It doesn't fit all.
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Post by Si on Feb 11, 2017 16:29:41 GMT
Echo a lot of the comments on here. Dire game. Tactics, formation, selection......I'm afraid Macca got these all wrong today. Would like to see us go back to a basic 4-4-2 and playing guys in their natural positions. Felt sorry for Alabi who tried to conjure up something out of nothing - he must have been so frustrated.
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Post by Helsby Blue on Feb 11, 2017 16:31:47 GMT
We just need to get to the end of the season safe. Macca needs to review the squad, get rid of the obvious deadwood. Iwelumo needs to go at the end of the season, yes it may be Maccas appointment and he was well aware of the media commitments but I find it staggering that the no.2 is absent on match days when clearly Macca needs a word in his ear at times, as there is no plan B. I really like a Macca but I Would love him to come out and say we were shit and the players didn't perform and he expects better. I am getting sick and tired of hearing my players have been great for me this season nonsense, he needs to grow a pair and lay the law down on the back of a performance like that.
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Post by border collie on Feb 11, 2017 16:37:13 GMT
We just need to get to the end of the season safe. Macca needs to review the squad, get rid of the obvious deadwood. Iwelumo needs to go at the end of the season, yes it may be Maccas appointment and he was well aware of the media commitments but I find it staggering that the no.2 is absent on match days when clearly Macca needs a word in his ear at times, as there is no plan B. I really like a Macca but I Would love him to come out and say we were shit and the players didn't perform and he expects better. I am getting sick and tired of hearing my players have been great for me this season nonsense, he needs to grow a pair and lay the law down on the back of a performance like that. Bang on ! and he should start with Astles for being a stone overweight
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Post by Hannibal on Feb 11, 2017 16:37:18 GMT
I missed my 3rd home game in 7 seasons today and I think I'm the lucky one. I said before the game if Sam Hughes partnered Ryan Astles in centre defence we would win, but as expected he picked Sam at right back where he's wasted. It sounds as though there were several other tactical errors in team selection. We won this game 4-2 last season and I doubt that Gateshead have improved at all. We've gone backwards. The crowd was disappointing if 600 people got in for nothing. The £100k rainy day money may be needed as a severance package for Macca because the 2-year contract extension is beginning to look a bit silly.
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Post by agl on Feb 11, 2017 16:45:00 GMT
Lost to a better team today. The centre halves couldn't cope with Burrow and Johnson. Wes York is a very good player. Having said that we did shoot ourselves in the foot. Not rocket science to put players in their right position. Hughes and Astles must be the starting point and work round that. Sam Hughes is NOT a right back. And why put Vassell on the left when Horwood was able to play LB? Could see what he was trying to do with Shaw getting forwards to support Alabi - caused them problems for 20 minutes but after that we weren't at the races. Too many players had poor games - only Alabi and possibly Shaw emerged with any credit. Alabi will be gone to better things at the end of the season, no doubt about that. Bad day for Macca - we need to get something at Maidstone to steady the ship as Barrow, Tranmere and Lincoln coming up. I don't think we are a bad team but need to get the formation right ...seems that every time we have an injury or suspension it throws us into chaos.
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Post by Helsby Blue on Feb 11, 2017 16:47:17 GMT
We just need to get to the end of the season safe. Macca needs to review the squad, get rid of the obvious deadwood. Iwelumo needs to go at the end of the season, yes it may be Maccas appointment and he was well aware of the media commitments but I find it staggering that the no.2 is absent on match days when clearly Macca needs a word in his ear at times, as there is no plan B. I really like a Macca but I Would love him to come out and say we were shit and the players didn't perform and he expects better. I am getting sick and tired of hearing my players have been great for me this season nonsense, he needs to grow a pair and lay the law down on the back of a performance like that. Bang on ! and he should start with Astles for being a stone overweight Exactly, how Astles hasn't been put on strict diet is beyond me. He could be a really good central defender but his fitness and lack of pace exposes us. It is always doom and gloom when Chester lose but some of the issues are glaringly obvious and the frustration is I don't see any changes happening. Basic squad selection and set up cost us the game today. Hughes must be in central defence, he isn't a right back and never will be and you lose his quality at fullback. Surely it is football management 101 to play your best players in their best positions, wasn't that how the earlier run and excellent defensive record was built on?!
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Post by bonecrusher on Feb 11, 2017 16:53:20 GMT
To be fair that was pretty dire after a decent start. How Tom Shaw missed his early chance I don't know but then after we did score we just fell apart. Macca has done well generally but some odd decisions have been made in terms of team selection. We had out best period when Hughes was starting at the back with Astles - surely we have to go back to that now. And I can't see why Lynch was dropped, unless it's part of the loan deal. Tee second half was desperately poor, you could see they were going to score sooner or later, and we never looked like getting anything. A quick look at the table shows us to be 13 points above the danger zone, which is a pretty decent buffer at this point and I suspect we will be ok, but the dip in form is worrying and we need to grind some results out. Alabi needs a partner, not Richards who, in my view is not good enough at this level and hopefully Mahon can get fit and in the team soon as we need some creativity. Remember where we have come from though. Macca had a good spell this season and O reckong should be able to get us back on track - we also need to realistic with expectations.
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Post by border collie on Feb 11, 2017 16:56:51 GMT
Bang on ! and he should start with Astles for being a stone overweight Exactly, how Astles hasn't been put on strict diet is beyond me. He could be a really good central defender but his fitness and lack of pace exposes us. It is always doom and gloom when Chester lose but some of the issues are glaringly obvious and the frustration is I don't see any changes happening. Basic squad selection and set up cost us the game today. Hughes must be in central defence, he isn't a right back and never will be and you lose his quality at fullback. Surely it is football management 101 to play your best players in their best positions, wasn't that how the earlier run and excellent defensive record was built on?! Yes ,it was . He is now doing exactly what burr was doing last season and we know how that nearly ended! And why are the directors not asking questions about the players lack of fitness ? they need to grow a pair too
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Post by ted the count on Feb 11, 2017 16:56:59 GMT
I managed to get a mate and his mrs new to Chester to come...they wont be back anytime soon.That was shite. No Iwelumo again today/Holidaying or other commitment's? Is he only paid to take training session's?Bit of a wage thief maybe?A drain on limited finance's? I never really got the Astles love in..run's like he's towing a caravan,ok in the air but a slow lump and risk playing where he does. Only Alabi comes away with any credit.He deserves to move on to bigger and better thing's.Rest of em...MEH,dont care for many tbh.
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Post by Hannibal on Feb 11, 2017 16:59:28 GMT
The shoot-out at Maidstone next Saturday is a contest between the 2 current worst form teams in this league and a defeat is not an option.
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Post by bonecrusher on Feb 11, 2017 17:00:36 GMT
We just need to get to the end of the season safe. Macca needs to review the squad, get rid of the obvious deadwood. Iwelumo needs to go at the end of the season, yes it may be Maccas appointment and he was well aware of the media commitments but I find it staggering that the no.2 is absent on match days when clearly Macca needs a word in his ear at times, as there is no plan B. I really like a Macca but I Would love him to come out and say we were shit and the players didn't perform and he expects better. I am getting sick and tired of hearing my players have been great for me this season nonsense, he needs to grow a pair and lay the law down on the back of a performance like that. Bang on ! and he should start with Astles for being a stone overweight Fair points, the situation with Iwelumo is baffling IMO.
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Post by steveo1 on Feb 11, 2017 17:06:48 GMT
We had a bad at the office v solihull at home, we had an early sending off and lost narrowly at soliull, we played well and lost against Dagenham and Dover. Sorry today there was no excuses, fully fit squad bar Akintunde. Guessing Mahon is still injured? Where was our new signing Obrien and Waters? Both not included at the expense of Chappell and Killock who was never going to play.
Baffling starting 11, Joyce and George in the same team at home is a complete no no,how both played full games is beyond me. Tom Shaw playing as like a second striker as the game passed him by. Vassell was unlucky but i am hearing Macca blamed this towards the defeat, what a load of crap! Lloyd came on the left wing, so thats our two best centre midfielders out of position. Horwood looks uncomfortable at left back, fails to complete 90 minutes in that position to often.
Someone mentioned above about Sam Hughes situation with him getting fed up, i think this may happen if he continues to be played out of position. Sorry but the gaffer has to take the full blame today. Gateshead were a decent side but nothing special, we made them look very good, credit due they have two livewires uptop which is something we are missing with only 2 fit strikers, they also won everything in the air with the Gateshead backline and keeper having an easy day. Have to agree with Neil Turner who said to Macca "that it was a shapeless mess" it was though but Macca defended it and his players as per. Sometime you need to give them a bollocking!
Off field its a god awful attendance, what would it have been without the kids in. This was the only bright spark was the 500 kids that attended, how many will come back with nothing to shout about or a shot to cheer barely remains to be seen. It disappoints me that a lot of people would have been watching on the tele in the pub, at home or the kids and families that did turn out, will anybody come back after we failed to have a shot on goal second half and do anything to entertain.
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Post by sqzl on Feb 11, 2017 17:21:01 GMT
Away fans are welcome but it's a little annoying straight after a game having this guy telling us how useless we are based on two games he's seen. You just have to accept it . We ARE a poor team . Weve been poor in most of the games i have been to this season . The games in which we have had good results have been as much to do with the opposition being poor as it has been about us being any good .We are now as bad as we were at any stage last season and that should be a concern foe everybody It's comments like this that made the old devachat an embarrassment, one of those people who when we win its the opponents playing badly and when we lose were terrible. Get a grip man. We lost 1 in 18 games earlier this season maybe everyone we played ten was awful? We need some realistic perspective here, we played poorly and left Alabi isolated, we could have been 2-0 up different story if Shaw took his chance. It's a weird overreaction I get people are upset with the result. Just this whole we win when others play crap attitude is really shortsighted and normally spouted by people who don't go to games or drama queens.
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Post by eyeswideopen on Feb 11, 2017 17:23:06 GMT
Not meaning to rub it in but you are the worse team we have played this season how you are not in the bottom 4 Iv no idea you can tell you are part time good luck with the rest of the season. I think it's fair to say we made you look good today, and you didn't even look that good. You didn't create that much and what you did was gifted to you by two keeping errors.
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