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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 1, 2017 20:54:49 GMT
Scottish football was graced by the likes of Henrik Larsson and Brian Laudrup. English football can't better that.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 1, 2017 20:58:09 GMT
Mind you, Dele Alli is single-handedly owning Real Madrid at present.
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Post by rcb on Nov 1, 2017 21:44:04 GMT
The Scottish population is barely 5 million, England is huge in comparison and teams that win the top flight don't even net 3 mil in Scotland in prize money, you slate the standard of the league but based on what they gain in money they do pretty well I would say now stop talking dross Froggy, had it up to here with your bloody slander of the beautiful game in Scotland A better comparison for Scotland is the other home nations. Ireland, Wales and Northern Ireland are all similar or smaller countries to Scotland, and have outperformed them over the last 20 years. Taking your analogy here, it may be worth noting that the population of Iceland is similar in size to the population of Birkenhead. Remind me of the score in June of last year. |
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Post by Lobster on Nov 1, 2017 21:55:48 GMT
A better comparison for Scotland is the other home nations. Ireland, Wales and Northern Ireland are all similar or smaller countries to Scotland, and have outperformed them over the last 20 years. Taking your analogy here, it may be worth noting that the population of Iceland is similar in size to the population of Birkenhead. Remind me of the score in June of last year. Iceland are possibly the biggest over achievers in world football, and England one of the worst under achievers. |
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Post by Imperial on Nov 1, 2017 22:04:59 GMT
Scottish football was graced by the likes of Henrik Larsson and Brian Laudrup. English football can't better that. Henrik Larsson also played in England & so did Cristiano Ronaldo. Scottish football can't match that never mind better it. |
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Post by Imperial on Nov 1, 2017 22:06:20 GMT
A better comparison for Scotland is the other home nations. Ireland, Wales and Northern Ireland are all similar or smaller countries to Scotland, and have outperformed them over the last 20 years. Taking your analogy here, it may be worth noting that the population of Iceland is similar in size to the population of Birkenhead. Remind me of the score in June of last year. How many international competitions have Wales won? Havent even qualified this time have you? Keep celebrating your semi-final "achievement" & keep it down in the cheap seats. |
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Post by rcb on Nov 1, 2017 22:59:28 GMT
Taking your analogy here, it may be worth noting that the population of Iceland is similar in size to the population of Birkenhead. Remind me of the score in June of last year. How many international competitions have Wales won? Havent even qualified this time have you? Keep celebrating your semi-final "achievement" & keep it down in the cheap seats. Not sure if you are addressing me or Lobster. I'm certainly not Welsh. Same question could be asked of England of course. Other than the home advantage of 1966 coupled with the "no goal" that was given then that would be a zero. |
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Post by Imperial on Nov 1, 2017 23:06:11 GMT
How many international competitions have Wales won? Havent even qualified this time have you? Keep celebrating your semi-final "achievement" & keep it down in the cheap seats. Not sure if you are addressing me or Lobster. I'm certainly not Welsh. Same question could be asked of England of course. Other than the home advantage of 1966 coupled with the "no goal" that was given then that would be a zero. Fair enough, my mistake. Seriously? And if the nazis has won we’d all be speaking German... |
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Post by rcb on Nov 1, 2017 23:15:52 GMT
The Germans tend to speak better English than most of England speak. Liverpool, Watford, and Fleetwood players understand their managers well enough. The few that are English included.
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Post by Al on Nov 2, 2017 6:15:55 GMT
Alli isn't a world class player. Ha. Couldn't have timed that comment any better really could you... |
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Post by Lobster on Nov 2, 2017 7:17:04 GMT
Alli isn't a world class player. Ha. Couldn't have timed that comment any better really could you... He's a cracking player on his day, but "world class" is a bold claim that has to be backed up by consistent performance at the very highest level. |
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Post by Al on Nov 2, 2017 7:19:20 GMT
Ha. Couldn't have timed that comment any better really could you... He's a cracking player on his day, but "world class" is a bold claim that has to be backed up by consistent performance at the very highest level. He scored a brace against one of the best sides in the world last night. Not much more you can do is there.. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 2, 2017 7:26:32 GMT
He's a cracking player on his day, but "world class" is a bold claim that has to be backed up by consistent performance at the very highest level. He scored a brace against one of the best sides in the world last night. Not much more you can do is there.. I think Lobster suggested he should be doing that consistently. |
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Post by Imperial on Nov 2, 2017 7:53:48 GMT
He's done it when he's been given the opportunity, he's been consistently quality in the league, what more can he do?
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Post by Paul Da Part on Nov 2, 2017 8:07:37 GMT
They held us too a 2-2 draw, so it can't be that shit. We have to remember that the current England squad is one of the worst in 25 years, led by a yes-man who isn’t fit to manage a club, never mind a country. Job done in getting to the World Cup, yes, but it’s not exactly great viewing. Still, it could be worse. Could be Welsh! |
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Post by rcb on Nov 2, 2017 8:08:44 GMT
Geoff Hurst scored a hat-trick, courtesy of a dodgy goal line decision and a late extra time goal, in one match only, and was hailed a world class national treasure forever more. Jimmy Greaves, who he replaced on the day was a brilliant goalscorer for years, at the top level, and never aspired to the praise heaped on Hurst for his World Cup final hat trick. Consistency wasn't working as a benchmark over these two players in the 1960's.
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Post by Lobster on Nov 2, 2017 9:48:35 GMT
He scored a brace against one of the best sides in the world last night. Not much more you can do is there.. I think Lobster suggested he should be doing that consistently. I'm not saying he won't become world class, but it's too early to say it IMO. He was poor in the last Euros, and Kane was even worse. |
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Post by fartyarty on Nov 2, 2017 10:17:53 GMT
Trouble with England fans is that we're lulled into thinking that we've got world class English players by the constant propaganda from SKY trying to promote the premier league brand as the best in the world. Anybody that truly believes we have world class players then I suggest you re-watch the Iceland game at last years Euros. A glut of overhyped, over paid "world stars" performing like a timid championship side at best! Same old story with England, great in qualifying for the tournaments against the minnows then shite when it matters in the finals!
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Post by Hannibal on Nov 2, 2017 13:07:43 GMT
Alli isn't a world class player. Agreed. Alli is not a world class player. In fact he is nowhere near. I've never seen him have a good game for England. Kane on the other hand is almost there. If he is still scoring 20 to 25 goals a season in 3 years time then he can be classed as the same kind of player as Shearer, although I hope he remains modest and hard-working. |
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Post by Hannibal on Nov 2, 2017 13:12:10 GMT
They held us too a 2-2 draw, so it can't be that shit. Who's that? |
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Post by Hannibal on Nov 2, 2017 13:16:43 GMT
Even when there aren't any real English players of note they simply import foreigners and give them English status, even where they have no English ancestry. At least the other three home nations give caps to those with ancestral connections. In reality you can naturalise and become British, but that hardly makes you English. Therein is another argument in regard to what should constitute being English. Too deep for you Al? Case closed. You're having a laugh. When Wales beat Belgium 3-1 in the Euros all 3 goalscorers were born in England. Similarly when Jack Charlton made the Republic of Ireland successful a generation ago at least half the players had never even been to Ireland. |
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Post by Hannibal on Nov 2, 2017 13:28:55 GMT
Is there any data available in regard to what percentages of population of the town or city a team represents that attend home matches? Ross County have an average attendance of 4,103, and the town has a population of only 5,491. Chester, on the other hand, choose to play in Wales and with a paltry home average currently at below 2,000 even though the population of the city is about 120,000. Now, that is real lack of support! The population of Chester is not 120,000, nowhere near. Try 80,000. |
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Post by sqzl on Nov 2, 2017 14:14:51 GMT
Is there any data available in regard to what percentages of population of the town or city a team represents that attend home matches? Ross County have an average attendance of 4,103, and the town has a population of only 5,491. Chester, on the other hand, choose to play in Wales and with a paltry home average currently at below 2,000 even though the population of the city is about 120,000. Now, that is real lack of support! The population of Chester is not 120,000, nowhere near. Try 80,000. Chester is a walled city in Cheshire, England, on the River Dee, close to the border with Wales. With a population of 118,200 in 2011. My guess would be that population has RISEN since 2011. |
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Post by rcb on Nov 2, 2017 15:47:39 GMT
Even when there aren't any real English players of note they simply import foreigners and give them English status, even where they have no English ancestry. At least the other three home nations give caps to those with ancestral connections. In reality you can naturalise and become British, but that hardly makes you English. Therein is another argument in regard to what should constitute being English. Too deep for you Al? Case closed. You're having a laugh. When Wales beat Belgium 3-1 in the Euros all 3 goalscorers were born in England. Similarly when Jack Charlton made the Republic of Ireland successful a generation ago at least half the players had never even been to Ireland. ...so if a dog gives birth in a cattery that makes the litter cats does it? If only being English, Scottish, Welsh, or N. Irish was that simple. Take John Barnes - born in Jamaica and both parents Jamaican, so how come he played for England? What about Dele Alli? Tribal king in Nigeria I believe. Didn't the FA desperately try to get Adnan Januzaj to be "English" more recently, and born in Belgium to Albanian or Serbian parents? Owen Hargreaves born in Calgary and raised in Germany. Countless others, so in response to your question, "Yes, I'm having a laugh", and mostly because you chose to overlook my reference to ancestral connections. By the way - St. George never set foot in England. |
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Post by Hannibal on Nov 2, 2017 17:18:20 GMT
You're having a laugh. When Wales beat Belgium 3-1 in the Euros all 3 goalscorers were born in England. Similarly when Jack Charlton made the Republic of Ireland successful a generation ago at least half the players had never even been to Ireland. ...so if a dog gives birth in a cattery that makes the litter cats does it? If only being English, Scottish, Welsh, or N. Irish was that simple. Take John Barnes - born in Jamaica and both parents Jamaican, so how come he played for England? What about Dele Alli? Tribal king in Nigeria I believe. Didn't the FA desperately try to get Adnan Januzaj to be "English" more recently, and born in Belgium to Albanian or Serbian parents? Owen Hargreaves born in Calgary and raised in Germany. Countless others, so in response to your question, "Yes, I'm having a laugh", and mostly because you chose to overlook my reference to ancestral connections. By the way - St. George never set foot in England. The reason those players opted to play for Wales because they knew they had a better chance of being selected. You could play for ROI if you'd had a bottle of Guiness. You must have done a lot of research to come up with all those anomalies. Btw St George is a mythical character. |
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Post by Hannibal on Nov 2, 2017 17:39:35 GMT
The population of Chester is not 120,000, nowhere near. Try 80,000. Chester is a walled city in Cheshire, England, on the River Dee, close to the border with Wales. With a population of 118,200 in 2011. My guess would be that population has RISEN since 2011. The population of Chester is 81,340 (2014). The figure you quoted probably includes all the outlying rural areas. |
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Post by rcb on Nov 2, 2017 17:59:45 GMT
...so if a dog gives birth in a cattery that makes the litter cats does it? If only being English, Scottish, Welsh, or N. Irish was that simple. Take John Barnes - born in Jamaica and both parents Jamaican, so how come he played for England? What about Dele Alli? Tribal king in Nigeria I believe. Didn't the FA desperately try to get Adnan Januzaj to be "English" more recently, and born in Belgium to Albanian or Serbian parents? Owen Hargreaves born in Calgary and raised in Germany. Countless others, so in response to your question, "Yes, I'm having a laugh", and mostly because you chose to overlook my reference to ancestral connections. By the way - St. George never set foot in England. The reason those players opted to play for Wales because they knew they had a better chance of being selected. You could play for ROI if you'd had a bottle of Guiness. You must have done a lot of research to come up with all those anomalies. Btw St George is a mythical character. Apparently he was a Roman, born in Turkey, so perhaps not mythical. However, my main point is the ancestry issue. Regardless of whether it is based upon generations gone by, at least the correct DNA is there, unlike John BARNES who has no English in him. I accept that people can naturalise as British, and thereby gain a British passport, and even represent Gt. Britain, but the nonsense thereafter of having a choice of which of the four home nations is pathetic. i.e. You can become British but you shouldn't be able to "become" English, or Welsh etc. Dele Alli I think has an English mother and Nigerian father, so fair enough he was eligible for either based on ancestry. Much prefer draught Guinness. |
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Post by Imperial on Nov 2, 2017 22:34:57 GMT
What makes you think they get to choose? I’m pretty sure you become eligible for the country in which you’ve resides in order to gain British nationality. For example it’s only 2 years in NI I believe.
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Post by chislenko on Nov 3, 2017 7:27:42 GMT
What always amazes me is that England play under the flag of Llewellyn ap Grufudd the last prince of Wales.
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Post by rcb on Nov 3, 2017 8:47:24 GMT
What always amazes me is that England play under the flag of Llewellyn ap Grufudd the last prince of Wales. ...and when it comes to football internationals England haven't even got an anthem to play, unless of course they are deluded into thinking they are the UK, and not just a part of it. Surely even the most deluded of people must be aware that the National Anthem represents all four home countries. The clue is in the title "National" as England is a country not a nation. Mind you, I've seen lots of stupid people write "English" when asked for their Nationality. |
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