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Post by Imperial on Nov 3, 2017 9:33:30 GMT
What always amazes me is that England play under the flag of Llewellyn ap Grufudd the last prince of Wales. ...and when it comes to football internationals England haven't even got an anthem to play, unless of course they are deluded into thinking they are the UK, and not just a part of it. Surely even the most deluded of people must be aware that the National Anthem represents all four home countries. The clue is in the title "National" as England is a country not a nation. Mind you, I've seen lots of stupid people write "English" when asked for their Nationality. Why are you so anti-English? A nation is a group of people with the same language or culture who are self governing. Of course England is a nation you absolute weapon. The only person on this thread who looks stupid is you. |
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Post by rcb on Nov 3, 2017 9:54:35 GMT
...and when it comes to football internationals England haven't even got an anthem to play, unless of course they are deluded into thinking they are the UK, and not just a part of it. Surely even the most deluded of people must be aware that the National Anthem represents all four home countries. The clue is in the title "National" as England is a country not a nation. Mind you, I've seen lots of stupid people write "English" when asked for their Nationality. Why are you so anti-English? A nation is a group of people with the same language or culture who are self governing. Of course England is a nation you absolute weapon. The only person on this thread who looks stupid is you. Now, that's what I call a real chip on the shoulder. Getting annoyed at the truth is normally associated with ignorance or arrogance. I simply point out some obvious truths so why does that make me anti-English? You even go so far as issue personal insults. My, you really are a classic example aren't you. i note no defence in respect of either the Flag or the anthem, so perhaps deep down you are in agreement. At least England won the World Cup in their true colours, albeit because West Germany won the toss! Of course the deluded Don Revie fell into the trap of mistaking England for Gt. Britain with his red, white and blue kit, even though it was predominantly white and blue! Stupid, by definition, is showing a lack of intelligence or common sense. You seem to have achieved this quite well in your denying of facts and unnecessary insults. |
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Post by rcb on Nov 3, 2017 9:57:19 GMT
By the way, England is not self governing. Westminster is a British parliament after all.
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Post by eyeswideopen on Nov 3, 2017 10:27:45 GMT
Its quite an interesting point of view you have, you make some valid points and seem quite articulate and lucid, with nearly 300 posts on a rivals message board, perhaps you have found your intellectual level, I bet you don't spend hardly any time on your own board, with the dull-witted anecdotes of how great the club was over 40 years ago.
Keep posting, We like the more coherent goats on here.
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Post by rcb on Nov 3, 2017 10:40:55 GMT
Its quite an interesting point of view you have, you make some valid points and seem quite articulate and lucid, with nearly 300 posts on a rivals message board, perhaps you have found your intellectual level, I bet you don't spend hardly any time on your own board, with the dull-witted anecdotes of how great the club was over 40 years ago. Keep posting, We like the more coherent goats on here. If you post a letter without a valid name and address it is unlikely to reach the correct destination. Same, to an extent, wth your post. |
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Post by Imperial on Nov 3, 2017 11:04:44 GMT
Why are you so anti-English? A nation is a group of people with the same language or culture who are self governing. Of course England is a nation you absolute weapon. The only person on this thread who looks stupid is you. Now, that's what I call a real chip on the shoulder. Getting annoyed at the truth is normally associated with ignorance or arrogance. I simply point out some obvious truths so why does that make me anti-English? You even go so far as issue personal insults. My, you really are a classic example aren't you. i note no defence in respect of either the Flag or the anthem, so perhaps deep down you are in agreement. At least England won the World Cup in their true colours, albeit because West Germany won the toss! Of course the deluded Don Revie fell into the trap of mistaking England for Gt. Britain with his red, white and blue kit, even though it was predominantly white and blue! Stupid, by definition, is showing a lack of intelligence or common sense. You seem to have achieved this quite well in your denying of facts and unnecessary insults. I’m not annoyed, I’m incredulous. What makes you anti-English is your repeated criticism of England & your attempted denial of England’s existence as a nation. I didn’t issue a personal insult, I referred to you as a weapon which is a very general insult to which you are excellently suited. A classic example of what precisely? There was no defence there because none was necessary, on the anthem you’re right, the UK & England share a national anthem. On the flag you are incorrect, it’s the flag of St. George & has been used as the flag of England since the 1200’s. I have absolutely no idea what point you are trying to make with the rest of your post, trying to point out conflation between Britishness & Englishness? Well yes, it happens all the time. Outside of sport the nation’s in which we reside are just geographical areas. We are all UK citizens, what’s your point? |
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Post by eyeswideopen on Nov 3, 2017 11:43:34 GMT
Its quite an interesting point of view you have, you make some valid points and seem quite articulate and lucid, with nearly 300 posts on a rivals message board, perhaps you have found your intellectual level, I bet you don't spend hardly any time on your own board, with the dull-witted anecdotes of how great the club was over 40 years ago. Keep posting, We like the more coherent goats on here. If you post a letter without a valid name and address it is unlikely to reach the correct destination. Same, to an extent, wth your post. It was the very next post after yours, and you replied to it, so I guess the message got through ok. |
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Post by rcb on Nov 3, 2017 12:59:51 GMT
Now, that's what I call a real chip on the shoulder. Getting annoyed at the truth is normally associated with ignorance or arrogance. I simply point out some obvious truths so why does that make me anti-English? You even go so far as issue personal insults. My, you really are a classic example aren't you. i note no defence in respect of either the Flag or the anthem, so perhaps deep down you are in agreement. At least England won the World Cup in their true colours, albeit because West Germany won the toss! Of course the deluded Don Revie fell into the trap of mistaking England for Gt. Britain with his red, white and blue kit, even though it was predominantly white and blue! Stupid, by definition, is showing a lack of intelligence or common sense. You seem to have achieved this quite well in your denying of facts and unnecessary insults. I’m not annoyed, I’m incredulous. What makes you anti-English is your repeated criticism of England & your attempted denial of England’s existence as a nation. I didn’t issue a personal insult, I referred to you as a weapon which is a very general insult to which you are excellently suited. A classic example of what precisely? There was no defence there because none was necessary, on the anthem you’re right, the UK & England share a national anthem. On the flag you are incorrect, it’s the flag of St. George & has been used as the flag of England since the 1200’s. I have absolutely no idea what point you are trying to make with the rest of your post, trying to point out conflation between Britishness & Englishness? Well yes, it happens all the time. Outside of sport the nation’s in which we reside are just geographical areas. We are all UK citizens, what’s your point? I don't understand your attitude that pointing out what is incorrect makes one anti anything. I suppose being a weapon is better than being a tool though. Please note I didn't raise the challenge in respect of the flag, but am pleased to read your information in respect of it's origin. I note your use of the apostrophe in the use of the word "nation's", which correctly refers to a singular entity, in that there is one Nation here, that being the UK, and it comprises four member countries. My point? Simply note England is part of a union of countries and incorrectly some people conflate(to use your word) English with British. They are not the same. You can be both, but many are not. The anthem is inappropriate when used to relate to England alone. |
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Post by fartyarty on Nov 3, 2017 13:05:45 GMT
It never fails to amuse me the amount of anti-English vile portrayed by the other home nations. Where as "most" Englishmen will cheer on other home nations teams in National competitions, we never get the same back from them. It's always a case of "anyone but England". Funny though, that most of the Welsh players play for English teams in the English league, and i would hazard a guess that most of the North Welsh supporters who hate England, have an allegiance to an English premier league side like Man Utd or Liverpool etc. I can only assume that the hatred comes from hundreds of years living under English rule, or maybe it's just the jealously of always being in the English shadow when it comes to most sports (not just football). Occasionally another home nation will perform a bit better than the English at something but generally speaking, the English are consistently superior at most sports. On second thoughts maybe they just hate us cos we're a bunch of conceited, arrogant t**ts!!
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Post by Imperial on Nov 3, 2017 13:11:35 GMT
I’m not annoyed, I’m incredulous. What makes you anti-English is your repeated criticism of England & your attempted denial of England’s existence as a nation. I didn’t issue a personal insult, I referred to you as a weapon which is a very general insult to which you are excellently suited. A classic example of what precisely? There was no defence there because none was necessary, on the anthem you’re right, the UK & England share a national anthem. On the flag you are incorrect, it’s the flag of St. George & has been used as the flag of England since the 1200’s. I have absolutely no idea what point you are trying to make with the rest of your post, trying to point out conflation between Britishness & Englishness? Well yes, it happens all the time. Outside of sport the nation’s in which we reside are just geographical areas. We are all UK citizens, what’s your point? I don't understand your attitude that pointing out what is incorrect makes one anti anything. I suppose being a weapon is better than being a tool though. Please note I didn't raise the challenge in respect of the flag, but am pleased to read your information in respect of it's origin. I note your use of the apostrophe in the use of the word "nation's", which correctly refers to a singular entity, in that there is one Nation here, that being the UK, and it comprises four member countries. My point? Simply note England is part of a union of countries and incorrectly some people conflate(to use your word) English with British. They are not the same. You can be both, but many are not. The anthem is inappropriate when used to relate to England alone. You haven’t correctly pointed out anything as being incorrect. You mentioned I hadn’t addressed the “issues” with the flag. I addressed them. Yes, that was what I said. So what? Absolutely not. England doesn’t have a seperate anthem & is the chief nation of the UK so is well within it’s rights to use God Save the Queen. |
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Post by Hannibal on Nov 3, 2017 14:19:55 GMT
This site has gone almost as dead as the other one.
I feel we have 2 crippling defeats coming up.
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Post by rcb on Nov 3, 2017 15:03:26 GMT
I don't understand your attitude that pointing out what is incorrect makes one anti anything. I suppose being a weapon is better than being a tool though. Please note I didn't raise the challenge in respect of the flag, but am pleased to read your information in respect of it's origin. I note your use of the apostrophe in the use of the word "nation's", which correctly refers to a singular entity, in that there is one Nation here, that being the UK, and it comprises four member countries. My point? Simply note England is part of a union of countries and incorrectly some people conflate(to use your word) English with British. They are not the same. You can be both, but many are not. The anthem is inappropriate when used to relate to England alone. You haven’t correctly pointed out anything as being incorrect. You mentioned I hadn’t addressed the “issues” with the flag. I addressed them. Yes, that was what I said. So what? Absolutely not. England doesn’t have a seperate anthem & is the chief nation of the UK so is well within it’s rights to use God Save the Queen. Well, it took quite a while, but the underlying arrogance and ignorance has surfaced at last. That's what you are a classic example of! England is "the chief nation" of the UK my arse! There is no chief nation, only partners, but such an arrogant answer epitomises just why people of other British counties detest people like you. "well within it's rights" is absolute arrogant nonsense. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-35296296 |
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Post by Hannibal on Nov 3, 2017 16:02:14 GMT
Is this annoying b*st*rd a reincarnation Whopper3
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Post by chislenko on Nov 3, 2017 16:17:06 GMT
Stortford Blue.
Sorry if I have confused you. The flag I was referring to as the flag of Llewellyn ap Gruffudd is the three lions standard.
So basically when English players kiss the badge and not very funny comedians write songs about it, they are actually addressing the flag of the last real prince of Wales.
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Post by rcb on Nov 3, 2017 16:25:35 GMT
Is this annoying b*st*rd a reincarnation Whopper3 ... you found the missing 40,000 of Chester's population yet? I see your limited vocabulary has resorted to the usual vile diatribe. I've even been accused of being Welsh by a moderator, coupled with yet another insult of being a "goat". Fortunately I sit amongst a decent group of civilised supporters and don't have to endure your limited ability to accept the views of others. It does at least give a partial explanation of the falling attendances and inability to attract a new audience with such insults and accusations from people who profess to be fans of a club. |
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Post by eyeswideopen on Nov 3, 2017 20:11:09 GMT
Is this annoying b*st*rd a reincarnation Whopper3 ... you found the missing 40,000 of Chester's population yet? I see your limited vocabulary has resorted to the usual vile diatribe. I've even been accused of being Welsh by a moderator, coupled with yet another insult of being a "goat". Fortunately I sit amongst a decent group of civilised supporters and don't have to endure your limited ability to accept the views of others. It does at least give a partial explanation of the falling attendances and inability to attract a new audience with such insults and accusations from people who profess to be fans of a club. Yet you're still here? |
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Post by Hannibal on Nov 3, 2017 21:43:57 GMT
... you found the missing 40,000 of Chester's population yet? I see your limited vocabulary has resorted to the usual vile diatribe. I've even been accused of being Welsh by a moderator, coupled with yet another insult of being a "goat". Fortunately I sit amongst a decent group of civilised supporters and don't have to endure your limited ability to accept the views of others. It does at least give a partial explanation of the falling attendances and inability to attract a new audience with such insults and accusations from people who profess to be fans of a club. Yet you're still here? He's like a child that has to have the last word. Ignore the idiot. |
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Post by rcb on Nov 3, 2017 23:18:48 GMT
He's like a child that has to have the last word. Ignore the idiot. Wow, what a big man you must be Hannibal. Does it make you feel good using big words like idiot. As for you arsewideopen, how come a pillock like you is a moderator? They desperate or something? |
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Post by waggoner on Nov 4, 2017 9:41:46 GMT
It never fails to amuse me the amount of anti-English vile portrayed by the other home nations. Where as "most" Englishmen will cheer on other home nations teams in National competitions, we never get the same back from them. It's always a case of "anyone but England". Funny though, that most of the Welsh players play for English teams in the English league, and i would hazard a guess that most of the North Welsh supporters who hate England, have an allegiance to an English premier league side like Man Utd or Liverpool etc. I can only assume that the hatred comes from hundreds of years living under English rule, or maybe it's just the jealously of always being in the English shadow when it comes to most sports (not just football). Occasionally another home nation will perform a bit better than the English at something but generally speaking, the English are consistently superior at most sports. On second thoughts maybe they just hate us cos we're a bunch of conceited, arrogant t**ts!! Wales is not even a proper country you know, it's a principality!!. The unofficial capital of north Wales is LIVERPOOL!!. They never had a capital city until 1959. The Welsh flag was not recognised until 1959. The union flag incorporates the cross of St George, St Patrick and St Andrew. The Welsh flag is not even included. Ulster has it's own banknotes as does Scotland. Wales uses ENGLISH bank notes because they don't have a welsh banknote. According to the Welsh language census of 2011 only 19% of welsh people speak Welsh. ALL of the main Welsh clubs play in England. Newport, Swansea and Cardiff. Some of the minor non league clubs also play in england..Wrexham TNS, Colwyn bay, Merther. More people speak Polish in Wrexham than Welsh. IMHO Wales is not even a proper country...it's just an anexe of England. No wonder the goat fans are so deluded. |
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Post by rcb on Nov 4, 2017 10:52:34 GMT
... at least there is no Northern Ireland bashing as yet, unlike the attacks on the other three country members of the Union. Is it a fear of the power of those ten DUP members who are otherwise supporting the lame duck Consevatives in Westminster?
For a city like Chester that borders North Wales, and with the club ground actually being in North Wales, it never ceases to amaze me that some supporters feel the need to be so vitriolic towards so many people who live in the catchment of the club, south and west of the ground. Perhaps this explains the poor attendances to a significant extent.
Interesting to read also of the concept of jealousy towards the English as a consequence of the successful clubs in England, especially the current clubs who have their success primarily because they are so devoid of home grown talent, Tottenham currently the exception.
Of course, being English doesn't give immunity either. Tranmere face the vile rhetoric also. If only the fans responsible for generating this hostility were more welcoming and accommodating then this club would grow a little healthier.
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Post by eyeswideopen on Nov 4, 2017 11:57:39 GMT
He's like a child that has to have the last word. Ignore the idiot. Wow, what a big man you must be Hannibal. Does it make you feel good using big words like idiot. As for you arsewideopen, how come a pillock like you is a moderator? They desperate or something? .....and finally the persona is revealed. |
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Post by rcb on Nov 4, 2017 12:19:33 GMT
...any real moderators on this site? Currently only one on here who is letting the club down, and wrongly claiming anyone who has alternate views to his own are "goats", whatever that means. Sad demise of a once interesting exchange of opinions.
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Post by englishred on Nov 4, 2017 12:27:18 GMT
I’m not annoyed, I’m incredulous. What makes you anti-English is your repeated criticism of England & your attempted denial of England’s existence as a nation. I didn’t issue a personal insult, I referred to you as a weapon which is a very general insult to which you are excellently suited. A classic example of what precisely? There was no defence there because none was necessary, on the anthem you’re right, the UK & England share a national anthem. On the flag you are incorrect, it’s the flag of St. George & has been used as the flag of England since the 1200’s. I have absolutely no idea what point you are trying to make with the rest of your post, trying to point out conflation between Britishness & Englishness? Well yes, it happens all the time. Outside of sport the nation’s in which we reside are just geographical areas. We are all UK citizens, what’s your point? I don't understand your attitude that pointing out what is incorrect makes one anti anything. I suppose being a weapon is better than being a tool though. Please note I didn't raise the challenge in respect of the flag, but am pleased to read your information in respect of it's origin. I note your use of the apostrophe in the use of the word "nation's", which correctly refers to a singular entity, in that there is one Nation here, that being the UK, and it comprises four member countries. My point? Simply note England is part of a union of countries and incorrectly some people conflate(to use your word) English with British. They are not the same. You can be both, but many are not. The anthem is inappropriate when used to relate to England alone. England doesn't have a national anthem. National anthems are a fairly modern thing. Wales anthem dates from the 1850s and wasn't used on its own (for sporting events) until 1975. So what does it matter? |
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Post by Matt on Nov 4, 2017 12:38:49 GMT
The standard is really poor, other than Celtic and maybe Rangers when there's highlights on SSN sometimes I think i'm looking at a League Two match or even the Conference.
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Post by eyeswideopen on Nov 4, 2017 20:46:16 GMT
...any real moderators on this site? Currently only one on here who is letting the club down, and wrongly claiming anyone who has alternate views to his own are "goats", whatever that means. Sad demise of a once interesting exchange of opinions. If you take the time to read my post again I actually applauded your use of the English language and grammar. i have never assumed your nationality as Welsh and yes I referred to you as a goat, which I do to all Wrexham fans including the ones I work with and its received with a sense of humour, as it is by myself when they refer to me as a Chester twat, schoolboy I know, but good natured all the same. as for my moderation, you abused me by calling me arsewideopen, I let it go because we are a little more laisse faire on here. if it's a little too liberal on here for your liking, nobody is forcing you to come on here. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 4, 2017 20:50:29 GMT
... at least there is no Northern Ireland bashing as yet, unlike the attacks on the other three country members of the Union. Is it a fear of the power of those ten DUP members who are otherwise supporting the lame duck Consevatives in Westminster? For a city like Chester that borders North Wales, and with the club ground actually being in North Wales, it never ceases to amaze me that some supporters feel the need to be so vitriolic towards so many people who live in the catchment of the club, south and west of the ground. Perhaps this explains the poor attendances to a significant extent. Interesting to read also of the concept of jealousy towards the English as a consequence of the successful clubs in England, especially the current clubs who have their success primarily because they are so devoid of home grown talent, Tottenham currently the exception. Of course, being English doesn't give immunity either. Tranmere face the vile rhetoric also. If only the fans responsible for generating this hostility were more welcoming and accommodating then this club would grow a little healthier. Spot on. I've never seen the club rivalry as England vs Wales and it shouldn't be. Both clubs have fans of both nationalities. It's Chester vs The Goats and that's that. |
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Post by Al on Nov 4, 2017 21:23:52 GMT
This has gone a bit off topic hasn't it....
I only asked if Scottish Football was a pile of shit! I think Celtic breaking that 100yr old record today proves it tbh
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Post by rcb on Nov 4, 2017 21:28:22 GMT
...any real moderators on this site? Currently only one on here who is letting the club down, and wrongly claiming anyone who has alternate views to his own are "goats", whatever that means. Sad demise of a once interesting exchange of opinions. If you take the time to read my post again I actually applauded your use of the English language and grammar. i have never assumed your nationality as Welsh and yes I referred to you as a goat, which I do to all Wrexham fans including the ones I work with and its received with a sense of humour, as it is by myself when they refer to me as a Chester twat, schoolboy I know, but good natured all the same. as for my moderation, you abused me by calling me arsewideopen, I let it go because we are a little more laisse faire on here. if it's a little too liberal on here for your liking, nobody is forcing you to come on here. Don't forget the z. Why call a Chester supporter a goat? |
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Post by southernblue on Nov 5, 2017 12:42:42 GMT
I think for a Chester fan to criticise Scottish football, is to align your mindset with the football snobbery exhibited by someone following Man United down the pub and sneering at Chester and National league football.
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Post by Imperial on Nov 6, 2017 11:05:21 GMT
... at least there is no Northern Ireland bashing as yet, unlike the attacks on the other three country members of the Union. Is it a fear of the power of those ten DUP members who are otherwise supporting the lame duck Consevatives in Westminster? For a city like Chester that borders North Wales, and with the club ground actually being in North Wales, it never ceases to amaze me that some supporters feel the need to be so vitriolic towards so many people who live in the catchment of the club, south and west of the ground. Perhaps this explains the poor attendances to a significant extent. Interesting to read also of the concept of jealousy towards the English as a consequence of the successful clubs in England, especially the current clubs who have their success primarily because they are so devoid of home grown talent, Tottenham currently the exception. Of course, being English doesn't give immunity either. Tranmere face the vile rhetoric also. If only the fans responsible for generating this hostility were more welcoming and accommodating then this club would grow a little healthier. Spot on. I've never seen the club rivalry as England vs Wales and it shouldn't be. Both clubs have fans of both nationalities. It's Chester vs The Goats and that's that. You don’t see the Cross Border Derby as an international one? |
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