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Aug 2, 2020 10:41:30 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Aug 2, 2020 10:41:30 GMT
I probably will. Firstly because it's the only realistic chance of getting the worst government ever out, secondly because you don't just elect a prime minister, you also elect your local MP. Thing is the last two GEs offered the nation a proper choice, not just “anything is better than the Tories”.
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Aug 3, 2020 17:43:56 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Aug 3, 2020 17:43:56 GMT
I see the Government is saying that medicines must be stockpiled for no-deal Brexit on top of Covid-19 pressures. Much like their handling of the pandemic, Brexshit is going to be another Tory catastrofuck and us and our loved ones will be paying the ultimate price for their failures.
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Aug 8, 2020 12:53:36 GMT
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Post by 1paulcarden on Aug 8, 2020 12:53:36 GMT
I probably will. Firstly because it's the only realistic chance of getting the worst government ever out, secondly because you don't just elect a prime minister, you also elect your local MP. Thing is the last two GEs offered the nation a proper choice, not just “anything is better than the Tories”. And what did the nation tell you to do with that choice? The picture is bigger than the Labour Party. We’re an embarrassment as a country and things are about to get far, far worse. I will vote for Starmer even though he is to the left of me like I held my nose and voted for Corbyn (Matheson) at the last election.
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Aug 8, 2020 13:06:46 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Aug 8, 2020 13:06:46 GMT
Thing is the last two GEs offered the nation a proper choice, not just “anything is better than the Tories”. And what did the nation tell you to do with that choice? The picture is bigger than the Labour Party. We’re an embarrassment as a country and things are about to get far, far worse. I will vote for Starmer even though he is to the left of me like I held my nose and voted for Corbyn (Matheson) at the last election. Can you educate me in relation to your earlier posts re: anti-Semitism as I am still non the wiser.
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Aug 8, 2020 16:10:28 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Aug 8, 2020 16:10:28 GMT
I see the Government is saying that medicines must be stockpiled for no-deal Brexit on top of Covid-19 pressures. Much like their handling of the pandemic, Brexshit is going to be another Tory catastrofuck and us and our loved ones will be paying the ultimate price for their failures. I dont understand your point... all countries are stockpiling British made medicines because of brexit. UK hospitals are doing the same with the EU manufacturers. Its got nothing to do with covid 19, why do you need to post with such panic about things you know nothing about?
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Aug 8, 2020 17:38:49 GMT
Post by Ian H Block on Aug 8, 2020 17:38:49 GMT
I see the Government is saying that medicines must be stockpiled for no-deal Brexit on top of Covid-19 pressures. Much like their handling of the pandemic, Brexshit is going to be another Tory catastrofuck and us and our loved ones will be paying the ultimate price for their failures. I dont understand your point... all countries are stockpiling British made medicines because of brexit. UK hospitals are doing the same with the EU manufacturers. Its got nothing to do with covid 19, why do you need to post with such panic about things you know nothing about? I dunno, but clearly the President of the Royal Pharmaceutical Society knows nothing either as she too is expressing concern about disruption to drug supply chains at such a critical time caused by Brexit here Perhaps you should get in touch with her and tell her she’s panicking over nothing.
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Post by Oaks Blue on Aug 8, 2020 17:43:44 GMT
I dont understand your point... all countries are stockpiling British made medicines because of brexit. UK hospitals are doing the same with the EU manufacturers. Its got nothing to do with covid 19, why do you need to post with such panic about things you know nothing about? I dunno, but clearly the President of the Royal Pharmaceutical Society knows nothing either as she too is expressing concern about disruption to drug supply chains at such a critical time caused by Brexit here Perhaps you should get in touch with her and tell her she’s panicking over nothing. Its standard practice, I work for a UK medicinal product manufacturer, weve already stock piled and sold 3 stock piled volumes of products given brexit has been delayed and delayed... covid presents a little challenge but theres more than enough time left in the year to build stock gradually, shelf life critical products will be made late on. These products need stability testing and release before they are on the market for purchase, so it'll all be done in advance and according to procedure. Next question
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Aug 8, 2020 19:30:02 GMT
Post by delamereal on Aug 8, 2020 19:30:02 GMT
Must be a slow news day can't find anything major to slag the Tories off.
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Aug 8, 2020 19:47:11 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Aug 8, 2020 19:47:11 GMT
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Aug 8, 2020 21:09:11 GMT
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Post by 1paulcarden on Aug 8, 2020 21:09:11 GMT
And what did the nation tell you to do with that choice? The picture is bigger than the Labour Party. We’re an embarrassment as a country and things are about to get far, far worse. I will vote for Starmer even though he is to the left of me like I held my nose and voted for Corbyn (Matheson) at the last election. Can you educate me in relation to your earlier posts re: anti-Semitism as I am still non the wiser. [br The book foreword. The mural. Saying British "Zionists" who have lived in Britain "all their lives" "don't understand English irony".. He praised a book that blamed nineteenth century imperialism on finance houses run by "men of a single and peculiar race".
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Aug 9, 2020 9:44:01 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Aug 9, 2020 9:44:01 GMT
Can you educate me in relation to your earlier posts re: anti-Semitism as I am still non the wiser. [br The book foreword. The mural. Saying British "Zionists" who have lived in Britain "all their lives" "don't understand English irony".. He praised a book that blamed nineteenth century imperialism on finance houses run by "men of a single and peculiar race" . You can praise a book without agreeing with every aspect of it though, can't you? I'll accept he should have been more careful and denounced at least part of it, but I don't see how it's much different to the constant praise of Winston Churchill, who resented blacks, Indians, Boers, in fact just anyone who wasn't white, male, wealthy and British. It's about time we had a proper discussion about him surely, starting with the suggestion that he is not someone whose face should be on a UK bank note in 2020.
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Aug 9, 2020 20:12:37 GMT
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Post by 1paulcarden on Aug 9, 2020 20:12:37 GMT
I’d agree to a certain extent. With Corbyn there were too many diabolical decisions that anyone who didn’t have a childlike political viewpoint couldn’t ignore. The cancel culture of Churchill is a very difficult one on many levels. Was he responsible for Britain’s finest hour? Undoubtedly. Did he harbour some pretty awful views too? Certainly.
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Aug 16, 2020 8:52:49 GMT
Post by Firestick Frank on Aug 16, 2020 8:52:49 GMT
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Aug 16, 2020 9:40:40 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Aug 16, 2020 9:40:40 GMT
I'm surprised that Mark Collett is still into this far-right crap. I remember watching a documentary featuring him and Russell Brand years ago. He just seemed like a lost, frightened boy who had difficulty making friends, and seemed to have been taken in by BNP types who made him feel empowered - a lot like Shaun in This Is England. You sensed he would grow out of it, but he'll be 40 this year so maybe not.
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Aug 16, 2020 9:46:59 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Aug 16, 2020 9:46:59 GMT
I'm surprised that Mark Collett is still into this far-right crap. I remember watching a documentary featuring him and Russell Brand years ago. He just seemed like a lost, frightened boy who had difficulty making friends, and seemed to have been taken in by BNP types who made him feel empowered - a lot like Shaun in This Is England. You sensed he would grow out of it, but he'll be 40 this year so maybe not. Most of the far-right are frightened lost souls, which is probably why he fitted in so well. You’ve only got to see how triggered they are by a few brown faces in a rubber dinghy to realise they are scared of practically everything. They are also cowards and always choose the softest of soft targets, usually women.
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Post by Lobster on Aug 16, 2020 9:59:03 GMT
I'm surprised that Mark Collett is still into this far-right crap. I remember watching a documentary featuring him and Russell Brand years ago. He just seemed like a lost, frightened boy who had difficulty making friends, and seemed to have been taken in by BNP types who made him feel empowered - a lot like Shaun in This Is England. You sensed he would grow out of it, but he'll be 40 this year so maybe not. Most of the far-right are frightened lost souls, which is probably why he fitted in so well. You’ve only got to see how triggered they are by a few brown faces in a rubber dinghy to realise they are scared of practically everything. They are also cowards and always choose the softest of soft targets, usually women. They're the real snowflakes, I've never been in any doubt about that. I suppose what I meant is that he didn't really come across as that nasty, just a bit insecure and confused, and at an impressionable age. You felt there was hope for him, but sadly it seems he's got worse if anything. I watched a programme about the KKK a few years ago. The ringleaders were despicable, but a lot of the other members just seemed a bit hopeless. They were lonely, poorly educated people with little prospects in life, and then suddenly they were making new friends and getting titles like the 'Knight' of their village and suchlike. Basically simple, harmless people who had been sucked into something dreadful because they didn't know any better.
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Aug 16, 2020 10:24:26 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Aug 16, 2020 10:24:26 GMT
It’s how it’s worked here too - Hollyoaks did a brilliant storyline on how the far right take under their wing “lost souls” from the working class who think everything is against them, build them up and treat them well to get them involved and make them think ethnic minorities are to blame for everything that’s gone wrong in their lives.
The enemy of the working class doesn’t arrive in a rubber dinghy. He arrives in a private jet.
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Post by Ian H Block on Aug 16, 2020 13:16:05 GMT
Most of the far-right are frightened lost souls, which is probably why he fitted in so well. You’ve only got to see how triggered they are by a few brown faces in a rubber dinghy to realise they are scared of practically everything. They are also cowards and always choose the softest of soft targets, usually women. They're the real snowflakes, I've never been in any doubt about that. I suppose what I meant is that he didn't really come across as that nasty, just a bit insecure and confused, and at an impressionable age. You felt there was hope for him, but sadly it seems he's got worse if anything. I watched a programme about the KKK a few years ago. The ringleaders were despicable, but a lot of the other members just seemed a bit hopeless. They were lonely, poorly educated people with little prospects in life, and then suddenly they were making new friends and getting titles like the 'Knight' of their village and suchlike. Basically simple, harmless people who had been sucked into something dreadful because they didn't know any better. You can say much the same about working class Tories. Absolute needy souls who crave the approval of the posh boys and will actively campaign against their own self-interests just to keep the 1% happy. Unfortunately these feelings are far from reciprocated, as the ‘A’ level fiasco reveals: the Tories despise the working class, they don’t care how you vote.
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Aug 16, 2020 15:06:21 GMT
Post by Lobster on Aug 16, 2020 15:06:21 GMT
They're the real snowflakes, I've never been in any doubt about that. I suppose what I meant is that he didn't really come across as that nasty, just a bit insecure and confused, and at an impressionable age. You felt there was hope for him, but sadly it seems he's got worse if anything. I watched a programme about the KKK a few years ago. The ringleaders were despicable, but a lot of the other members just seemed a bit hopeless. They were lonely, poorly educated people with little prospects in life, and then suddenly they were making new friends and getting titles like the 'Knight' of their village and suchlike. Basically simple, harmless people who had been sucked into something dreadful because they didn't know any better. You can say much the same about working class Tories. Absolute needy souls who crave the approval of the posh boys and will actively campaign against their own self-interests just to keep the 1% happy. Unfortunately these feelings are far from reciprocated, as the ‘A’ level fiasco reveals: the Tories despise the working class, they don’t care how you vote. The A levels situation is unbelievable. I see they've withdrawn the latest guidance just hours after publishing it.
It says everything about this government that I actually find it a spot of light relief when they just plain cock up. They're a lot more scary when they do what they intend do.
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Aug 16, 2020 16:30:25 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Aug 16, 2020 16:30:25 GMT
You can say much the same about working class Tories. Absolute needy souls who crave the approval of the posh boys and will actively campaign against their own self-interests just to keep the 1% happy. Unfortunately these feelings are far from reciprocated, as the ‘A’ level fiasco reveals: the Tories despise the working class, they don’t care how you vote. The A levels situation is unbelievable. I see they've withdrawn the latest guidance just hours after publishing it.
It says everything about this government that I actually find it a spot of light relief when they just plain cock up. They're a lot more scary when they do what they intend do.
This Government is totally out of control and is now actively harming its citizens. If only we had a functioning Opposition to hold them to account.
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Aug 16, 2020 16:31:22 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Aug 16, 2020 16:32:46 GMT
I said it’s the furthest right government this country has ever had. I guess a PM calling Muslim women “bank robbers” and black people “picaninnies with watermelon smiles” whilst also deporting black people to places they’ve never been before must fly for normal then.
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Aug 16, 2020 16:35:20 GMT
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Post by Alexander Lukashenko on Aug 16, 2020 16:35:20 GMT
I said it’s the furthest right government this country has ever had. You believe we do live under a far right government though. Which is funny.
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Post by Lobster on Aug 16, 2020 16:59:42 GMT
Liberal and right-wing are not mutually exclusive. American gun laws could be described as liberal, in that more or less anyone who wants a gun can have one, but it's certainly the right over there that support them. The study you reference refers mainly to social factors not really shaped by politicians. Yes, David Cameron was the PM who legalised same-sex marriage, but he was just in the right place at the right time, when attitudes towards homosexuality were softening through the West, as shown by the Irish public voting overwhelmingly in favour of legalising it as well. Economically, Boris Johnson's Conservative Party is very far to the right, as this independent website explains. www.politicalcompass.org/uk2019
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Aug 16, 2020 17:06:10 GMT
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Post by Alexander Lukashenko on Aug 16, 2020 17:06:10 GMT
Liberal and right-wing are not mutually exclusive. American gun laws could be described as liberal, in that more or less anyone who wants a gun can have one, but it's certainly the right over there that support them. The study you reference refers mainly to social factors not really shaped by politicians. Yes, David Cameron was the PM who legalised same-sex marriage, but he was just in the right place at the right time, when attitudes towards homosexuality were softening through the West, as shown by the Irish public voting overwhelmingly in favour of legalising it as well. Economically, Boris Johnson's Conservative Party is very far to the right, as this independent website explains. www.politicalcompass.org/uk2019Politicians can/do shape 'social factors'. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous.
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Aug 16, 2020 17:08:32 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Aug 16, 2020 17:08:32 GMT
To an extent, yes, but they largely just mirror society.
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Aug 16, 2020 17:10:08 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Aug 16, 2020 17:10:08 GMT
Liberal and right-wing are not mutually exclusive. American gun laws could be described as liberal, in that more or less anyone who wants a gun can have one, but it's certainly the right over there that support them. The study you reference refers mainly to social factors not really shaped by politicians. Yes, David Cameron was the PM who legalised same-sex marriage, but he was just in the right place at the right time, when attitudes towards homosexuality were softening through the West, as shown by the Irish public voting overwhelmingly in favour of legalising it as well. Economically, Boris Johnson's Conservative Party is very far to the right, as this independent website explains. www.politicalcompass.org/uk2019Politicians can/do shape 'social factors'. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous. The link you provided only really talks about the population’s opinions about issues.
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Aug 16, 2020 17:10:17 GMT
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Post by Alexander Lukashenko on Aug 16, 2020 17:10:17 GMT
To an extent, yes, but they largely just mirror society. And what shapes society? Government, media, etc.
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Aug 16, 2020 21:14:40 GMT
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Post by 1paulcarden on Aug 16, 2020 21:14:40 GMT
Corbyn’s greatest achievement was to get the working class to vote for the boot that kicks them in the jaw. Bigger win than the 2017 landslide. To judge the opposition after 4 months when we were begged to give Jez 5 years plus of absolute failure really shows a total lack of awareness.
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Aug 16, 2020 21:34:12 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Aug 16, 2020 21:34:12 GMT
Corbyn’s greatest achievement was to get the working class to vote for the boot that kicks them in the jaw. Bigger win than the 2017 landslide. To judge the opposition after 4 months when we were begged to give Jez 5 years plus of absolute failure really shows a total lack of awareness. Speaking of awareness - those within Labour now calling for unity after five years of wrecking, “I’ll stab him in the front” and deliberately throwing an election (2017 fund diversion) possess a GLARING lack of it.
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