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Oct 6, 2020 13:32:33 GMT
Post by iandychesterfc on Oct 6, 2020 13:32:33 GMT
Haha, forgotten about this thread. Great to see the JC meltdown and the tears of those who pompously dismissed Kier.
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Oct 6, 2020 13:56:05 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 6, 2020 13:56:05 GMT
Would still like to know what this Labour stands for, though. All I’ve seen from the new leader is “we support the government on this and want to be constructive” - no actual policy announcements, no real opposition.
It seems to me that they’re set to adopt a raft of Tory stances but with a more competent leader than the Tories have, basically. Sacking their own ministers for voting against the Tories’ bill that will allow British forces to commit war crimes abroad defying international law, for starters.
More of the same, two sides of the same coin etc...
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Post by Lobster on Oct 6, 2020 14:09:59 GMT
Haha, forgotten about this thread. Great to see the JC meltdown and the tears of those who pompously dismissed Kier. How much of it is really down to Keir though? Seems more to do with how badly the Tories are handling this crisis. I think a dead fish would do alright as Leader of the Opposition at the moment! |
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Oct 6, 2020 15:45:28 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Oct 6, 2020 15:45:28 GMT
Continuity Corbyn after all then? |
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Oct 6, 2020 16:00:33 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 6, 2020 16:00:33 GMT
Continuity Corbyn after all then? The previous leader inflicted more government defeats and U-turns than any other LOTO in history to be fair. That is the very definition of “opposition”. As if that’s the only thing you picked up on in my summary of Starmer, and you still got it wrong 😂 |
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Post by paulie on Oct 7, 2020 18:16:22 GMT
Continuity Corbyn after all then? The previous leader inflicted more government defeats and U-turns than any other LOTO in history to be fair. That is the very definition of “opposition”. As if that’s the only thing you picked up on in my summary of Starmer, and you still got it wrong 😂 Losing by 80 seat majority isn't "oppostion" it was a lamb to the slaughter. |
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Post by 1paulcarden on Oct 7, 2020 18:57:11 GMT
Haha, forgotten about this thread. Great to see the JC meltdown and the tears of those who pompously dismissed Kier. They’re like people telling us Jon McCarthy was a nice guy after 18 months and the players had let him down. |
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Oct 7, 2020 19:02:16 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 7, 2020 19:02:16 GMT
Haha, forgotten about this thread. Great to see the JC meltdown and the tears of those who pompously dismissed Kier. They’re like people telling us Jon McCarthy was a nice guy after 18 months and the players had let him down. Except it’s only you guys going on about him 🤷🏻♂️ |
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 13, 2020 12:45:42 GMT
I see the Tories are now going to sacrifice our farmers on the altar of Brexshit. I’d have a bit more sympathy for them if they didn’t put up Vote Conservative signs on their land at every election. A harsh but valuable lesson for them mind: never, ever, trust a Tory.
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Post by Lobster on Oct 13, 2020 13:07:44 GMT
I see the Tories are now going to sacrifice our farmers on the altar of Brexshit. I’d have a bit more sympathy for them if they didn’t put up Vote Conservative signs on their land at every election. A harsh but valuable lesson for them mind: never, ever, trust a Tory. The lack of self-awareness in voting to downgrade animal welfare and food standards, while simultaneously battling the worse pandemic we've ever known caused directly by poor animal welfare and food standards, would be funny if it wasn't so tragic. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 13, 2020 13:11:16 GMT
I see the Tories are now going to sacrifice our farmers on the altar of Brexshit. I’d have a bit more sympathy for them if they didn’t put up Vote Conservative signs on their land at every election. A harsh but valuable lesson for them mind: never, ever, trust a Tory. The lack of self-awareness in voting to downgrade animal welfare and food standards, while simultaneously battling the worse pandemic we've ever known caused directly by poor animal welfare and food standards, would be funny if it wasn't so tragic. They don’t care about food standards, or indeed the pandemic. People should stop viewing the Conservatives as a political party, these days they are a criminal conspiracy. |
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Oct 14, 2020 8:23:12 GMT
Post by Lobster on Oct 14, 2020 8:23:12 GMT
The lack of self-awareness in voting to downgrade animal welfare and food standards, while simultaneously battling the worse pandemic we've ever known caused directly by poor animal welfare and food standards, would be funny if it wasn't so tragic. They don’t care about food standards, or indeed the pandemic. People should stop viewing the Conservatives as a political party, these days they are a criminal conspiracy. True. I definitely think that in America it's got to the point where nobody should expect impartial reporting on their politics any more than they would on Belarus or North Korea. The fair, intelligent, and rational opinion is to be anti-Trump, and it's getting the same way here. I see them as thugs rather than politicians. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 15, 2020 5:41:59 GMT
Dominic Cummings £30,000 council tax bill written off.
Sick woman unable to work jailed for defaulting on her £4,000 council tax bill.
“Levelling up” “in this together” etc etc etc.
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Oct 15, 2020 10:02:11 GMT
Post by Lobster on Oct 15, 2020 10:02:11 GMT
Well played, this pub in New Brighton!
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Post by Lobster on Oct 16, 2020 11:08:52 GMT
I meant to post that on the Lockdown thread, but hey, they're bellends in any thread!
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Oct 16, 2020 12:27:33 GMT
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Post by Si on Oct 16, 2020 12:27:33 GMT
Rare political post from me, but didn't Boris win the last election based on his oven ready Brexit deal? Well that's looking slightly awkward now that we have been told to brace ourselves for no deal in January. So Boris was telling porkies all along, who saw that coming 🤔
Before anyone goes on about Labour not taking a particular stance on it at the time, I recall that it was going to be put to the vote again now that the public are more informed rather than believing 300m for the NHS on buses waffle, and that either way the result would be respected and carried through. Not perfect, but sounds better than Boris lying his tits off and conning everyone yet again.
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Oct 16, 2020 12:44:50 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 16, 2020 12:44:50 GMT
Funnier still - the chimp-in-chief and his hyenas behind him all saying that their party was voted into power because the public want “change” - who do they think has been in power for the past ten fucking years?!
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Post by Lobster on Oct 16, 2020 13:00:50 GMT
Rare political post from me, but didn't Boris win the last election based on his oven ready Brexit deal? Well that's looking slightly awkward now that we have been told to brace ourselves for no deal in January. So Boris was telling porkies all along, who saw that coming 🤔 Before anyone goes on about Labour not taking a particular stance on it at the time, I recall that it was going to be put to the vote again now that the public are more informed rather than believing 300m for the NHS on buses waffle, and that either way the result would be respected and carried through. Not perfect, but sounds better than Boris lying his tits off and conning everyone yet again. I always thought Labour's stance on it was perfectly clear myself, it just wasn't binary. Corbyn basically acknowledged that the population was split on Brexit and wanted to put a better framework in place so that people could make a more informed decision on whether we stay or go. It was just too nuanced to resonate with a British public who became very partisan on the whole remain/leave thing. This year's events have made the whole thing look a bit silly. |
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Oct 16, 2020 14:00:40 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Oct 16, 2020 14:00:40 GMT
Rare political post from me, but didn't Boris win the last election based on his oven ready Brexit deal? Well that's looking slightly awkward now that we have been told to brace ourselves for no deal in January. So Boris was telling porkies all along, who saw that coming 🤔 Before anyone goes on about Labour not taking a particular stance on it at the time, I recall that it was going to be put to the vote again now that the public are more informed rather than believing 300m for the NHS on buses waffle, and that either way the result would be respected and carried through. Not perfect, but sounds better than Boris lying his tits off and conning everyone yet again. I always thought Labour's stance on it was perfectly clear myself, it just wasn't binary. Corbyn basically acknowledged that the population was split on Brexit and wanted to put a better framework in place so that people could make a more informed decision on whether we stay or go. It was just too nuanced to resonate with a British public who became very partisan on the whole remain/leave thing. This year's events have made the whole thing look a bit silly. I think describing it as nuanced is being a bit fawning! You say Corbyn acknowledged the country was split, so then you have to question the wisdom of persuing a 'policy' that managed to draw mockery from both leavers and remainers alike. |
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Post by Lobster on Oct 16, 2020 14:37:28 GMT
I always thought Labour's stance on it was perfectly clear myself, it just wasn't binary. Corbyn basically acknowledged that the population was split on Brexit and wanted to put a better framework in place so that people could make a more informed decision on whether we stay or go. It was just too nuanced to resonate with a British public who became very partisan on the whole remain/leave thing. This year's events have made the whole thing look a bit silly. I think describing it as nuanced is being a bit fawning! You say Corbyn acknowledged the country was split, so then you have to question the wisdom of persuing a 'policy' that managed to draw mockery from both leavers and remainers alike. That was the end result, yes. I think time might judge it a bit more kindly than the present does though.
You could just as easily question throwing your weight behind remain or leave when you could lose half your support. Brexit was basically a masterstroke played by the furthest-right elements of the Conservative Party, which is why I based my vote on other matters.
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Oct 16, 2020 14:54:30 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 16, 2020 14:54:30 GMT
Corbyn was guilty of kow-towing to the Hard Remainers in his party, led by Sir Keith Ham, and making concessions for them. Labour would’ve been fine with respecting the referendum result, look at the gains made in 2017 on that platform.
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Post by Lobster on Oct 16, 2020 14:57:29 GMT
Corbyn was guilty of kow-towing to the Hard Remainers in his party, led by Sir Keith Ham, and making concessions for them. Labour would’ve been fine with respecting the referendum result, look at the gains made in 2017 on that platform. We'll never now, but I'm not sure about that. Part of the 2017 success was due to nobody liking Theresa May much. Johnson managed to galvanise Leave voters and, somehow or other, the working class. |
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Oct 16, 2020 15:17:01 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 16, 2020 15:17:01 GMT
Corbyn was guilty of kow-towing to the Hard Remainers in his party, led by Sir Keith Ham, and making concessions for them. Labour would’ve been fine with respecting the referendum result, look at the gains made in 2017 on that platform. We'll never now, but I'm not sure about that. Part of the 2017 success was due to nobody liking Theresa May much. Johnson managed to galvanise Leave voters and, somehow or other, the working class. ... on a “get Brexit done” ticket. |
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Post by Lobster on Oct 17, 2020 10:24:07 GMT
Good to see Jacinda Ardern reelected by a landslide in New Zealand.
I just don't think we have the maturity levels in this country to elect a youngish left-leaning woman as leader. I don't really understand much of the West's obsession with having elderly men as leaders. Look at Biden and Trump - the age those two are, there's a reasonable chance they might not see a full term!
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Oct 17, 2020 10:35:43 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 17, 2020 10:35:43 GMT
The Zero Covid strategy adopted in New Zealand, and the vast majority of the rest of the world, to ensure as few deaths as possible, has obviously had an impact in that.
Meanwhile we’re well into a second wave of hundreds and thousands of cases but everyone’s being convinced by the right wing press to “live with it” whilst the de facto Leader of the Opposition is the Mayor of Manchester.
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Oct 17, 2020 15:53:25 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 17, 2020 15:53:25 GMT
Good to see Jacinda Ardern reelected by a landslide in New Zealand. I just don't think we have the maturity levels in this country to elect a youngish left-leaning woman as leader. I don't really understand much of the West's obsession with having elderly men as leaders. Look at Biden and Trump - the age those two are, there's a reasonable chance they might not see a full term! According to the Daily Telegraph New Zealand, with a total of 25 deaths, has pursued a disastrous Covid policy. No doubt the Tory Death Cultists on here will be nodding sagely and endorsing this view. |
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Oct 17, 2020 16:35:34 GMT
Post by Lobster on Oct 17, 2020 16:35:34 GMT
Good to see Jacinda Ardern reelected by a landslide in New Zealand. I just don't think we have the maturity levels in this country to elect a youngish left-leaning woman as leader. I don't really understand much of the West's obsession with having elderly men as leaders. Look at Biden and Trump - the age those two are, there's a reasonable chance they might not see a full term! According to the Daily Telegraph New Zealand, with a total of 25 deaths, has pursued a disastrous Covid policy. No doubt the Tory Death Cultists on here will be nodding sagely and endorsing this view. To be a fly on the wall at The Telegraph's office at the moment. They must be having meetings about what angle they can take to defend the indefensible. Even the Sun and Mail aren't really bothering to stick up for them anymore. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 21, 2020 15:02:40 GMT
Tory minster Paul Scully on Politics Live today dismissing the campaign to extend free school meals over the holidays by saying “children have been going hungry for years.”
Another Tory sewer rat, Steve Baker, has challenged Marcus Rashford on Twitter and then disabled his comments so Rashford can’t respond.
One Tory bastard after the other giving each other praise as they defend allowing children to go hungry over half-term and Christmas. Sickening.
Can’t wait for the usual rabble to come on here and defend that...
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Oct 21, 2020 17:28:05 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Oct 21, 2020 17:28:05 GMT
This whole thread is just individuals posting rants about stuff. There's no conversation or discussion. Its just reactionary rants that serve no purpose.
If you want to make your voices heard go and protest or take to twitter. This is not the place, unless you think raising your concerns to 50 or so chester fans is going to change anything 🤣
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Oct 21, 2020 19:06:21 GMT
Post by delamereal on Oct 21, 2020 19:06:21 GMT
Thought it was supposed to be about Brexit, but as we have left I suppose the usual suspects have to rant to try and browbeat people into agreeing with them.
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