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Dec 16, 2020 8:26:36 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 16, 2020 8:26:36 GMT
Thankfully I live over the border, where the independence movement is gaining pace. The pandemic has proven Wales can govern itself and govern itself well.
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Dec 16, 2020 9:18:27 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2020 9:18:27 GMT
If anything the pandemic has proved the assembly hasn't got a clue. South Wales is the epicentre of Welsh covid. Yet we in North Wales with far lower rates of infection have to bear the pain.
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Dec 16, 2020 15:06:14 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 16, 2020 15:06:14 GMT
Why has the independence movement sky-rocketed this year then, if the people of Wales don’t think the WG are doing a better job at keeping them alive than the U.K. government?
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Dec 16, 2020 16:43:31 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 16, 2020 16:43:31 GMT
Meanwhile, I see UNICEF is now having to feed hungry British children - for the first time in its 70 year history.
“Levelling up” “golden age” etc etc - I’d be absolutely embarrassed if I voted for this a year ago. Tory bastards.
Incidentally the Welsh government extended the free school meals that the U.K. government refused to do in England.
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Dec 16, 2020 17:01:04 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2020 17:01:04 GMT
Between 500 and 600 cases per 100.000 in South Wales. Conway 70 gwynedd 50 Anglesea 27. So let's lock the whole ofWales down.
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Dec 16, 2020 17:04:19 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 16, 2020 17:04:19 GMT
Between 500 and 600 cases per 100.000 in South Wales. Conway 70 gwynedd 50 Anglesea 27. So let's lock the whole ofWales down. Thought you Tories were all about “One Nation” - so what’s your problem? By the way, your figures must be out of date - they’re all higher as of a news article on the BBC Wales website from yesterday.
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Dec 16, 2020 17:17:06 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Dec 16, 2020 17:17:06 GMT
I see UNICEF are now feeding U.K. children. The Tories on here must be very proud.
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Dec 16, 2020 17:27:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2020 17:27:15 GMT
Between 500 and 600 cases per 100.000 in South Wales. Conway 70 gwynedd 50 Anglesea 27. So let's lock the whole ofWales down. Thought you Tories were all about “One Nation” - so what’s your problem? By the way, your figures must be out of date - they’re all higher as of a news article on the BBC Wales website from yesterday. no problem here just don't quite understand the logic of shutting down the whole country when the problem is obviously a South Wales one. Does he realise Anglesea is an island, and there is an awful lot of open country between North and south.
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Dec 16, 2020 18:49:31 GMT
Post by blaconboy on Dec 16, 2020 18:49:31 GMT
Thought you Tories were all about “One Nation” - so what’s your problem? By the way, your figures must be out of date - they’re all higher as of a news article on the BBC Wales website from yesterday. no problem here just don't quite understand the logic of shutting down the whole country when the problem is obviously a South Wales one. Does he realise Anglesea is an island, and there is an awful lot of open country between North and south. He's never been north of Brecon
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Dec 16, 2020 20:09:43 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 16, 2020 20:09:43 GMT
I see UNICEF are now feeding U.K. children. The Tories on here must be very proud. They join the Red Cross and hundreds of food banks in stepping in to feed children in the sixth richest country in the world. Don’t know how certain people on this thread can sleep at night knowing that.
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Dec 16, 2020 20:39:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2020 20:39:56 GMT
i always found that after a days graft hanging doors or carrying shutters round building sites it was the easiest thing in the world to sleep at night.
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Dec 16, 2020 22:13:33 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Dec 16, 2020 22:13:33 GMT
So whats the solution from your political party mancot? Its no good regurgitating stats and figures which may or may not be true. What is the solution? What do YOU think the answer is? The 2017/2019 Labour manifesto would’ve gone a long way to lifting people out of poverty, rebalancing the economy and creating a fairer system with fairer taxes, investment in public services and job creation. Of course it would! And of course there was a hidden pandemic recovery plan in there too, wasn't there! 🙄 As I've stated, I am not affiliated or a fan of any political party, but some of the propaganda on this thread from you and your boys club is quite frankly horrendously one sided. Some of it may even be true
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Dec 16, 2020 22:17:06 GMT
Post by Deva Chanter on Dec 16, 2020 22:17:06 GMT
The 2017/2019 Labour manifesto would’ve gone a long way to lifting people out of poverty, rebalancing the economy and creating a fairer system with fairer taxes, investment in public services and job creation. Of course it would! And of course there was a hidden pandemic recovery plan in there too, wasn't there! 🙄 As I've stated, I am not affiliated or a fan of any political party, but some of the propaganda on this thread from you and your boys club is quite frankly horrendously one sided. Some of it may even be true Would you like to tell us all who you have voted for in the last few general elections?
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Dec 16, 2020 22:20:01 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Dec 16, 2020 22:20:01 GMT
Of course it would! And of course there was a hidden pandemic recovery plan in there too, wasn't there! 🙄 As I've stated, I am not affiliated or a fan of any political party, but some of the propaganda on this thread from you and your boys club is quite frankly horrendously one sided. Some of it may even be true Would you like to tell us all who you have voted for in the last few general elections? And what would that achieve exactly?
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Post by Deva Chanter on Dec 16, 2020 23:22:16 GMT
Would you like to tell us all who you have voted for in the last few general elections? And what would that achieve exactly? I was only asking out of curiosity, you don't have to provide an answer if it makes you uncomfortable. The government has handled this whole thing abysmally. And Keir Starmer is an insipid little simp who is incapable of taking a position on anything and would have probably done only a marginally better job had he been in charge. I would have thought most people could agree on those two things, regardless of how they vote.
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Dec 16, 2020 23:53:57 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 16, 2020 23:53:57 GMT
The 2017/2019 Labour manifesto would’ve gone a long way to lifting people out of poverty, rebalancing the economy and creating a fairer system with fairer taxes, investment in public services and job creation. Of course it would! And of course there was a hidden pandemic recovery plan in there too, wasn't there! 🙄 As I've stated, I am not affiliated or a fan of any political party, but some of the propaganda on this thread from you and your boys club is quite frankly horrendously one sided. Some of it may even be true The only one of the two major party manifestos that was fully-costed, incidentally. Certainly would’ve gone a long way to improving the lives of those less fortunate, as I said, with each policy and how it would’ve been paid for clearly set out. If you’re accusing me of being “horrendously one-sided” in a debate between supporting a party that clearly wanted to make a real difference to the lives of the general public against a party that has imposed record levels of inequality, homelessness, the Windrush scandal (which continued as recently as last week), sanctions and in some cases deaths of the sick and disabled for the crime of being sick and disabled, and of course the highest excess death rate and worst-performing economy in Europe this year whilst their millionaire backers get even richer off the public purse then I’m as guilty as charged pal. Oh, and your point on the pandemic... the health service would’ve been properly funded.
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Dec 17, 2020 4:21:15 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Dec 17, 2020 4:21:15 GMT
Boris Johnson doesn’t care if you live or die, Jeremy Corbyn does.
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Dec 17, 2020 9:44:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2020 9:44:15 GMT
Why has the independence movement sky-rocketed this year then, if the people of Wales don’t think the WG are doing a better job at keeping them alive than the U.K. government? I see 11000 positive test results missed of last week's Welsh reports, Welsh Labour has blood on their hands.
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Post by Ian H Block on Dec 17, 2020 10:17:45 GMT
Why has the independence movement sky-rocketed this year then, if the people of Wales don’t think the WG are doing a better job at keeping them alive than the U.K. government? I see 11000 positive test results missed of last week's Welsh reports, Welsh Labour has blood on their hands. How’s that? Everyone who had a positive test was told about it and told to self-isolate.
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Dec 17, 2020 10:30:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2020 10:30:26 GMT
I see 11000 positive test results missed of last week's Welsh reports, Welsh Labour has blood on their hands. How’s that? Everyone who had a positive test was told about it and told to self-isolate. oh so that's fine then. Changed your tune a bit fom how you respond when tory government do the same. Wales have the worst infection rate per 100000 in the UK and the death rate has almost doubled since the wonderful firebreak
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Post by cheshireblue on Dec 17, 2020 10:32:26 GMT
Interesting piece by the New York Times regarding awarded contracts since the beginning of the pandemic. Shame our own media aren’t bringing this to light.
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Post by Ian H Block on Dec 17, 2020 10:49:56 GMT
How’s that? Everyone who had a positive test was told about it and told to self-isolate. oh so that's fine then. Changed your tune a bit fom how you respond when tory government do the same. Wales have the worst infection rate per 100000 in the UK and the death rate has almost doubled since the wonderful firebreak The Tory U.K. Government didn’t do the same though. Their IT cock up left thousands of infected people unaware they were carrying the virus, resulting in thousands of people catching Covid19 unnecessarily. In Wales, everyone who tested positive was informed, but software maintenance meant numbers of new infections weren’t published. Bit of a difference.
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Dec 17, 2020 11:07:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2020 11:07:16 GMT
oh so that's fine then. Changed your tune a bit fom how you respond when tory government do the same. Wales have the worst infection rate per 100000 in the UK and the death rate has almost doubled since the wonderful firebreak The Tory U.K. Government didn’t do the same though. Their IT cock up left thousands of infected people unaware they were carrying the virus, resulting in thousands of people catching Covid19 unnecessarily. In Wales, everyone who tested positive was informed, but software maintenance meant numbers of new infections weren’t published. Bit of a difference. my response originally was to sychden about how well he thought welsh Labour had done. My final statement blood on their hands was a nod to the usual statements we have from him. Just to repeat what I said. Welsh government have not handled the pandemic well. more like political point scoring.
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Dec 17, 2020 11:18:05 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 17, 2020 11:18:05 GMT
The Tory U.K. Government didn’t do the same though. Their IT cock up left thousands of infected people unaware they were carrying the virus, resulting in thousands of people catching Covid19 unnecessarily. In Wales, everyone who tested positive was informed, but software maintenance meant numbers of new infections weren’t published. Bit of a difference. my response originally was to sychden about how well he thought welsh Labour had done. My final statement blood on their hands was a nod to the usual statements we have from him. Just to repeat what I said. Welsh government have not handled the pandemic well. more like political point scoring. Struggling to see your point, and in actual fact the only political point-scoring seems to be coming from you. As pointed out above, aside from actually locking people in their homes and shutting down businesses for good, Governments cannot do much else to stop the spread of the virus other than the measures they have been taking so far - that’s where an effective Test, Track and Trace system comes in and Wales is outperforming the U.K. government by far with this; because it’s in the hands of the NHS and local authorities rather than private profiteers who are only interested in ripping the taxpayer off.
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Post by Lobster on Dec 17, 2020 19:06:14 GMT
Meanwhile, I see UNICEF is now having to feed hungry British children - for the first time in its 70 year history. “Levelling up” “golden age” etc etc - I’d be absolutely embarrassed if I voted for this a year ago. Tory bastards. Incidentally the Welsh government extended the free school meals that the U.K. government refused to do in England. Jacob Rees-Mogg today saying Unicef is being political and should be ashamed of itself. Honestly, if you created him as a characature of a Conservative, people would think you were taking it too far. I find it incredible that in some constituency, thousands of people have looked at him and thought "yes, that man represents me!" :awaits obligatory "there's no alternative" whine
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Post by everhopeful on Dec 20, 2020 9:32:39 GMT
Please keep this on topic and WITHOUT any personal comments. Thank you.
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Dec 21, 2020 18:45:23 GMT
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Dec 21, 2020 18:45:23 GMT
Covid closes the French ports and Sainsbury's warning of shortages of some fruit and veg.Talk of airlifting supplies in and Unicef feeding hungry children , half the country, in tier 4 lockdown and the pound tanking and No deal Brexit only days away. Looking good guys. But they need a deal more than us. Nothing like negiotating from a position of atrength. Lol
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 21, 2020 19:33:57 GMT
Covid closes the French ports and Sainsbury's warning of shortages of some fruit and veg.Talk of airlifting supplies in and Unicef feeding hungry children , half the country, in tier 4 lockdown and the pound tanking and No deal Brexit only days away. Looking good guys. But they need a deal more than us. Nothing like negiotating from a position of atrength. Lol Could’ve been much worse to be fair, we could be typing these posts out without paying a penny for our broadband. Oh the horrors.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 21, 2020 19:39:10 GMT
Funny though, we have spent five years at war with each other, devalued the pound by 20%, savaged our economy, quit the worlds largest free-trade zone, created a mountain of red tape and flushed £200bn down the drain all to “control our borders” - whereas six EU member states did it in 24 hours with nothing more than a press release.
For those wondering why those six member states have banned travel from the U.K. but the entire EU hasn’t... it’s because EU member states are sovereign and can make their own decisions and laws independently from each other. Oops.
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Post by Lobster on Dec 21, 2020 20:30:15 GMT
I read a letter to a paper someone shared on social media the other day where the writer was pointing out that Boris Johnson's tactic, both with the pandemic and even more so Brexit, is to faff about and allow situations to get worse and worse to the point where immediate action has to be taken, and options are narrow, because of his procrastination.
To some, this gives the illusion of him not being afraid to take drastic action when needed, but in reality it's only because he's allowing drastic situations to develop. It's the same strategy as a lazy student pulling an all-nighter while full of caffeine to get an essay in that would've been far better if he had planned it out in advance. It's terrible leadership.
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