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Dec 24, 2020 10:25:12 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Dec 24, 2020 10:25:12 GMT
Democracy voted to leave the EU which we have done and it looks like we have a deal all the crying about losing will not change the decision democracy made its time to get behind the UK and make it work. 26.5% of the population voted to Leave the EU. Some democracy that. Not a good argument. Of the electorate, the majority voted to leave, and anyone who didn't vote obviously doesn't care. So we should leave, but that doesn't mean we should do it at the expense of everything else and with no regard to the ramifications. And it doesn't mean I have to "get behind" it as it goes against my views and I don't trust this government to make it work. I'm just hoping gradually we start to grow up a bit as a country. |
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Dec 24, 2020 10:33:09 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 24, 2020 10:33:09 GMT
The only reason the vote actually happened was because the EU’s clampdown on the use of offshore tax havens to hoard money would’ve had a big impact on the further right members of the Tory party.
That’s why they pushed Cameron for it, that’s what it all comes down to.
Since then, all the vote has done is made the disaster capitalists much much richer, seen those business people championing Brexit end up relocating their businesses overseas, cost the country £200bn and robbed citizens of their freedom to live and work anywhere in Europe.
Combine that with the governments criminal handling of the pandemic and you’ve now got an international pariah banana republic state that nobody seems to want to do business with.
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Post by Oaks Blue on Dec 24, 2020 10:35:47 GMT
I've not sold myself anything, im not a tory, I just work for a global business at a fairly senior level so im not panicking like most on here! ....and even with a global pandemic, stock markets on its knees and Brexit negotiations causing huge disruption to business you still find time to repeatedly post on a forum you think should be binned off. You are an asset to your company, how you keep making those Senior level decisions in your Global company i don't know. If i had a cap on i would doff it to you. This sub forum is full of complete hysteria, whipped up by certain posters, which you and most of the other mods seem to be part of. I assume you know that most of what's copy and pasted onto here is fake news, dreamt up by the milky teets of twitter posters you and the gang love to slurp up on a daily basis. I hope you manage to enjoy Christmas instead of feeling utterly depressed thinking of things you know nothing about! I'll hang around here as long as I want to, to give a counter argument to most of the bullshit you lot post, otherwise I fear some neutrals may actually start believing some of it 🤣 |
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Dec 24, 2020 10:41:41 GMT
Post by Wortleyblue on Dec 24, 2020 10:41:41 GMT
Democracy voted to leave the EU which we have done and it looks like we have a deal all the crying about losing will not change the decision democracy made its time to get behind the UK and make it work. 26.5% of the population voted to Leave the EU. Some democracy that. Which means approx 24% voted to stay in the EU thats democracy and that leaves 50% of the population who couldn't be arsed either way and of that figure what is the % of those under 18, so what is ypur point |
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Dec 24, 2020 10:51:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2020 10:51:36 GMT
just a quick response why do you resort to pal as a put down. I know you care so do I and millions of others but I prioritise my own. Is that wrong. Pal is a term of endearment, we are all friends here aren’t we? As for your other point, of course it’s not wrong to prioritise your immediately family (I presume that’s what you mean by “my own”) but you can still show empathy you know. Your posting history would suggest you lack that human trait, I could be wrong. Well you are wrong. |
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Dec 24, 2020 10:56:58 GMT
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Post by lincolnexile on Dec 24, 2020 10:56:58 GMT
Pal is a term of endearment, we are all friends here aren’t we? As for your other point, of course it’s not wrong to prioritise your immediately family (I presume that’s what you mean by “my own”) but you can still show empathy you know. Your posting history would suggest you lack that human trait, I could be wrong. Well you are wrong. Well it is the right time of year for miracles. |
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Dec 24, 2020 11:18:31 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 24, 2020 11:18:31 GMT
Pal is a term of endearment, we are all friends here aren’t we? As for your other point, of course it’s not wrong to prioritise your immediately family (I presume that’s what you mean by “my own”) but you can still show empathy you know. Your posting history would suggest you lack that human trait, I could be wrong. Well you are wrong. Maybe shart demonstrating the empathy you claim to have then? |
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Dec 24, 2020 11:55:27 GMT
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Post by Bob on Dec 24, 2020 11:55:27 GMT
Maybe shart demonstrating the empathy you claim to have then? Virtue signalling is fake empathy. I'm sure upsanddowns sleeps well at night. You know nothing about the man. |
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Dec 24, 2020 11:56:33 GMT
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Post by Bob on Dec 24, 2020 11:56:33 GMT
....and even with a global pandemic, stock markets on its knees and Brexit negotiations causing huge disruption to business you still find time to repeatedly post on a forum you think should be binned off. You are an asset to your company, how you keep making those Senior level decisions in your Global company i don't know. If i had a cap on i would doff it to you. This sub forum is full of complete hysteria, whipped up by certain posters, which you and most of the other mods seem to be part of. I assume you know that most of what's copy and pasted onto here is fake news, dreamt up by the milky teets of twitter posters you and the gang love to slurp up on a daily basis. I hope you manage to enjoy Christmas instead of feeling utterly depressed thinking of things you know nothing about! I'll hang around here as long as I want to, to give a counter argument to most of the bullshit you lot post, otherwise I fear some neutrals may actually start believing some of it 🤣 Absolutely spot on. I wouldn't be surprised if this post gets zapped either. |
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Dec 24, 2020 11:59:03 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 24, 2020 11:59:03 GMT
Maybe shart demonstrating the empathy you claim to have then? Virtue signalling is fake empathy. I'm sure upsanddowns sleeps well at night. You know nothing about the man. Ah, “virtue signalling” - the phrase that only appears to be used by angry old white men on Twitter to have a pop at people defending the causes of minority groups. |
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Dec 24, 2020 12:15:46 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Dec 24, 2020 12:15:46 GMT
The only reason the vote actually happened was because the EU’s clampdown on the use of offshore tax havens to hoard money would’ve had a big impact on the further right members of the Tory party. That’s why they pushed Cameron for it, that’s what it all comes down to. Since then, all the vote has done is made the disaster capitalists much much richer, seen those business people championing Brexit end up relocating their businesses overseas, cost the country £200bn and robbed citizens of their freedom to live and work anywhere in Europe. Combine that with the governments criminal handling of the pandemic and you’ve now got an international pariah banana republic state that nobody seems to want to do business with. I wouldn't disagree with any of that, but I think we need to move away from the argument that it's undemocratic. An EU referendum was in the Tories' 2015 manifesto which they won by a landslide, 52% voted Leave in 2016, and the Tories won another election by a landslide in 2019 with more or less a single-policy campaign of "Get Brexit Done". I can argue until I'm blue in the face that these people are wrong, stupid, misguided, hoodwinked or whatever, but it's hard to argue that, democratically, Brexit wasn't what the country voted for. Militant remainders who have constantly banged on about Article 50 and having another referendum have made things worse. I honestly think there's a section of Brexit voters who don't even know why they want Brexit anymore, they're just annoyed that people keep trying to stop it. It's like putting something on a high shelf and telling a child they can't have it, they start wanting it just because someone has said they can't. My strategy now is mostly to encourage Brexit voters to keep an eye on the situation. Don't just gloat and be stubborn, monitor it. Think about why you voted for it and whether it's being delivered in the way you hoped. Are you being betrayed and used here? Similar, I haven't ruled out that Brexit might work out in the long term. Not under this government though! |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 24, 2020 12:22:48 GMT
The only reason the vote actually happened was because the EU’s clampdown on the use of offshore tax havens to hoard money would’ve had a big impact on the further right members of the Tory party. That’s why they pushed Cameron for it, that’s what it all comes down to. Since then, all the vote has done is made the disaster capitalists much much richer, seen those business people championing Brexit end up relocating their businesses overseas, cost the country £200bn and robbed citizens of their freedom to live and work anywhere in Europe. Combine that with the governments criminal handling of the pandemic and you’ve now got an international pariah banana republic state that nobody seems to want to do business with. I wouldn't disagree with any of that, but I think we need to move away from the argument that it's undemocratic. An EU referendum was in the Tories' 2015 manifesto which they won by a landslide, 52% voted Leave in 2016, and the Tories won another election by a landslide in 2019 with more or less a single-policy campaign of "Get Brexit Done". I can argue until I'm blue in the face that these people are wrong, stupid, misguided, hoodwinked or whatever, but it's hard to argue that, democratically, Brexit wasn't what the country voted for. Militant remainders who have constantly banged on about Article 50 and having another referendum have made things worse. I honestly think there's a section of Brexit voters who don't even know why they want Brexit anymore, they're just annoyed that people keep trying to stop it. It's like putting something on a high shelf and telling a child they can't have it, they start wanting it just because someone has said they can't. My strategy now is mostly to encourage Brexit voters to keep an eye on the situation. Don't just gloat and be stubborn, monitor it. Think about why you voted for it and whether it's being delivered in the way you hoped. Are you being betrayed and used here? Similar, I haven't ruled out that Brexit might work out in the long term. Not under this government though! I agree with all of this; particularly the impact the hard Remainers like Sir Keith and the Liberal Democrat’s (who are neither liberal nor democratic) have had over the past year or so. Of course, Sir Keith was playing the long game with his political manoeuvrings, it’s worked out for him but it won’t work out for his Party, nor the country in the long run. I’d have been quite happy to leave the EU under a government that would negotiate in the best interests of workers, to protect jobs, the NHS and the economy, but we’ve got a criminal far-right cabal running the show now who want to sell the family silver and turn us into an offshore tax haven ourselves. |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Dec 24, 2020 12:28:15 GMT
I wouldn't disagree with any of that, but I think we need to move away from the argument that it's undemocratic. An EU referendum was in the Tories' 2015 manifesto which they won by a landslide, 52% voted Leave in 2016, and the Tories won another election by a landslide in 2019 with more or less a single-policy campaign of "Get Brexit Done". I can argue until I'm blue in the face that these people are wrong, stupid, misguided, hoodwinked or whatever, but it's hard to argue that, democratically, Brexit wasn't what the country voted for. Militant remainders who have constantly banged on about Article 50 and having another referendum have made things worse. I honestly think there's a section of Brexit voters who don't even know why they want Brexit anymore, they're just annoyed that people keep trying to stop it. It's like putting something on a high shelf and telling a child they can't have it, they start wanting it just because someone has said they can't. My strategy now is mostly to encourage Brexit voters to keep an eye on the situation. Don't just gloat and be stubborn, monitor it. Think about why you voted for it and whether it's being delivered in the way you hoped. Are you being betrayed and used here? Similar, I haven't ruled out that Brexit might work out in the long term. Not under this government though! Got to say that is one of the most sensible posts I have read on here in a long time |
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Dec 24, 2020 12:38:18 GMT
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Post by Bob on Dec 24, 2020 12:38:18 GMT
Virtue signalling is fake empathy. I'm sure upsanddowns sleeps well at night. You know nothing about the man. Ah, “virtue signalling” - the phrase that only appears to be used by angry old white men on Twitter to have a pop at people defending the causes of minority groups. If that's your interpretation of it then good for you but the majority of people see it as fake empathy. |
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Dec 24, 2020 12:41:29 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 24, 2020 12:41:29 GMT
Ah, “virtue signalling” - the phrase that only appears to be used by angry old white men on Twitter to have a pop at people defending the causes of minority groups. If that's your interpretation of it then good for you but the majority of people see it as fake empathy. The majority? Really? How do you measure that? I can only speak for myself but I know that genuinely care about people worse off than me, I don’t just say that for a few likes 👍🏻 |
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Dec 24, 2020 12:47:58 GMT
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Post by Bob on Dec 24, 2020 12:47:58 GMT
If that's your interpretation of it then good for you but the majority of people see it as fake empathy. The majority? Really? How do you measure that? I can only speak for myself but I know that genuinely care about people worse off than me, I don’t just say that for a few likes 👍🏻 Well done, have some social credit points. |
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Dec 24, 2020 12:49:40 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 24, 2020 12:49:40 GMT
The majority? Really? How do you measure that? I can only speak for myself but I know that genuinely care about people worse off than me, I don’t just say that for a few likes 👍🏻 Well done, have some social credit points. You clearly didn’t read my post properly, that’s literally the opposite of what I said. I said I DON’T just say it for a few likes. |
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Dec 24, 2020 12:53:12 GMT
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Post by Bob on Dec 24, 2020 12:53:12 GMT
Well done, have some social credit points. You clearly didn’t read my post properly, that’s literally the opposite of what I said. I said I DON’T just say it for a few likes. I did read the post properly and I think you do. I suspect the majority of people here think the same too. |
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Dec 24, 2020 12:56:51 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 24, 2020 12:56:51 GMT
You clearly didn’t read my post properly, that’s literally the opposite of what I said. I said I DON’T just say it for a few likes. I did read the post properly and I think you do. I suspect the majority of people here think the same too. Another “new” user with less than 20 posts but half of which seem to be following me around the off-topic forum. Strange behaviour. |
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Dec 24, 2020 13:00:10 GMT
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Post by Bob on Dec 24, 2020 13:00:10 GMT
Off topic is where the action is considering the football is soulless atm.
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Dec 24, 2020 13:29:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2020 13:29:32 GMT
I did read the post properly and I think you do. I suspect the majority of people here think the same too. Another “new” user with less than 20 posts but half of which seem to be following me around the off-topic forum. Strange behaviour. another welcome new user who just happens to have a different opinion than you. |
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Dec 24, 2020 14:12:55 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 24, 2020 14:12:55 GMT
Another “new” user with less than 20 posts but half of which seem to be following me around the off-topic forum. Strange behaviour. another welcome new user who just happens to have a different opinion than you. I’m all for different opinions, that’s debate. But this guy has only posted 20 times and at least ten are aimed at me. Weird. |
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Dec 24, 2020 14:43:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2020 14:43:37 GMT
another welcome new user who just happens to have a different opinion than you. I’m all for different opinions, that’s debate. But this guy has only posted 20 times and at least ten are aimed at me. Weird. l get plenty but thats the fun of it |
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Post by Oaks Blue on Dec 24, 2020 14:56:21 GMT
another welcome new user who just happens to have a different opinion than you. I’m all for different opinions, that’s debate. But this guy has only posted 20 times and at least ten are aimed at me. Weird. Trouble is, you don't know how to debate with people who have a different view... Every single time you get questioned on something you've clearly pasted off twitter, you disappear... gone without a trace, and then luckily one of your bodyguards (mods) comes along and rescues you by censoring and deleting. Then you come out from the shadows to paste someone else's tweets to make a different point. Its truly bizarre behaviour, it really is! |
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Post by Mean Machine on Dec 24, 2020 15:31:34 GMT
Well well well, the deal is finally done, who could have thought it possible ?
Well everyone really, except the scaremongering anti brexit bulls**ters on here who can now wallow in their cesspit of negativity, failure, and self pity
With this news. and that nasty piece of s**t in the USA leaving office in the near future the world is starting to look a better place
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Dec 24, 2020 15:55:20 GMT
If Labour had got in Corbyn would still be grandly sat on the fence deciding on a policy and positioning himself as some great father of the nation overseeing the debate.
I voted remain and eventhough I'm on the losing side of this argument, I still want the best for the UK and hope it, somehow, works out. I certainly won't be hoping it breaks up the country or tragically threatening to apply for a different passport any time soon.
Given all that has happened, particularly in the last week, you begin to wonder if we are better off out of it after all.
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Dec 24, 2020 17:01:12 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 24, 2020 17:01:12 GMT
If Labour had got in Corbyn would still be grandly sat on the fence deciding on a policy and positioning himself as some great father of the nation overseeing the debate. I voted remain and eventhough I'm on the losing side of this argument, I still want the best for the UK and hope it, somehow, works out. I certainly won't be hoping it breaks up the country or tragically threatening to apply for a different passport any time soon. Given all that has happened, particularly in the last week, you begin to wonder if we are better off out of it after all. Wow, still harping on about Corbyn even now? For what it’s worth, Labour policy was always “respect the result, try and get a good deal”... then Hard Renainer Sir Keith fucked it. |
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Post by Lobster on Dec 24, 2020 17:17:49 GMT
If Labour had got in Corbyn would still be grandly sat on the fence deciding on a policy and positioning himself as some great father of the nation overseeing the debate. I voted remain and eventhough I'm on the losing side of this argument, I still want the best for the UK and hope it, somehow, works out. I certainly won't be hoping it breaks up the country or tragically threatening to apply for a different passport any time soon. Given all that has happened, particularly in the last week, you begin to wonder if we are better off out of it after all. This is what worries me most of all. You're a pretty moderate and sensible guy and he's managed to get you to believe that this is a normal, progressive and even a positive thing. I think you've fallen for the whole thing hook, line and sinker sadly. |
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Dec 24, 2020 17:26:35 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Dec 24, 2020 17:26:35 GMT
If Labour had got in Corbyn would still be grandly sat on the fence deciding on a policy and positioning himself as some great father of the nation overseeing the debate. I voted remain and eventhough I'm on the losing side of this argument, I still want the best for the UK and hope it, somehow, works out. I certainly won't be hoping it breaks up the country or tragically threatening to apply for a different passport any time soon. Given all that has happened, particularly in the last week, you begin to wonder if we are better off out of it after all. This is what worries me most of all. You're a pretty moderate and sensible guy and he's managed to get you to believe that this is a normal, progressive and even a positive thing. I think you've fallen for the whole thing hook, line and sinker sadly. Coming across as massively conceited here Lobster if I may say so. The idea of anybody seeing something differently to you clearly stuns you. You may well be right of course in the end but I just don't get why the idea of EU membership has seduced you to this extent. |
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Post by Bob on Dec 24, 2020 18:19:20 GMT
If Labour had got in Corbyn would still be grandly sat on the fence deciding on a policy and positioning himself as some great father of the nation overseeing the debate. I voted remain and eventhough I'm on the losing side of this argument, I still want the best for the UK and hope it, somehow, works out. I certainly won't be hoping it breaks up the country or tragically threatening to apply for a different passport any time soon. Given all that has happened, particularly in the last week, you begin to wonder if we are better off out of it after all. This is what worries me most of all. You're a pretty moderate and sensible guy and he's managed to get you to believe that this is a normal, progressive and even a positive thing. I think you've fallen for the whole thing hook, line and sinker sadly. What is a normal, progressive thing? Just emotional nonsense this post. |
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