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Dec 28, 2020 13:11:08 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Dec 28, 2020 13:11:08 GMT
I'm not even convinced it will reduce immigration, or if it does it will only be because people would rather live somewhere else.
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Dec 28, 2020 13:11:32 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 28, 2020 13:11:32 GMT
Exactly the point I was making. Personally I don’t know anyone who thought that leaving the EU would result in less Pakistanis or Iraquis arriving in the UK. I’m guessing that you’re implying that everyone who voted leave was either stupid, racist or both. You are the master of generalization. Not everyone was racist, there was a strong case for “Lexit” (the way Greece was treated by this rampant neoliberal conglomerate) but that was drowned out by likes of Farage and his followers. Plenty of callers to LBC - the home of the far right nutters (and I don’t just mean Ferrarri himself) - talking about wanting less brown-skinned people in the country. James O’Brien always does a great job showing these people up for what they are, even though I strongly disagree with his politics.
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Post by Lobster on Dec 28, 2020 13:31:06 GMT
Pretty much any survey will tell you immigration was the main reason people voted Brexit. That and not wanting our rules to be made in Brussels, which is basically the same argument - too many foreigners.
The problem with both arguments is that the country with the most immigrants is the non-EU Switzerland, so clearly simply not being in the EU doesn't stop immigration, and we've seen this year with border closures that countries are able to make their own decisions. I had to do a project on motoring laws in the EU earlier this year and it quickly became apparent that there are no two states in the EU with the same laws, so I don't really get where this argument comes from that Brussels is controlling everyone's laws. All Brexit has done is made the UK a more miserable place to live and restricted our own rights to move around Europe, let alone Europeans' rights to move here.
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Dec 28, 2020 13:59:54 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Dec 28, 2020 13:59:54 GMT
All Brexit has done is made the UK a more miserable place to live Can't beat a bit of melodrama during the festive period can you!
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Post by Lobster on Dec 28, 2020 14:01:49 GMT
How about you counter my points by telling me how Wales CAN’T prosper by going it alone? All you’ve said is “too small, not a big economy” and I’ve answered those points in detail - not by guesswork, but by telling you what actually happens now. Why do you work in England then I don't think he's calling for border control and work permits to come into force for people looking to work on the opposite side of the border. There's a argument that more small autonomous nations is the way forward, but with better cooperation between them. It seems like the big ones like the UK, the US, Russia, China, Brazil etc have the most division and disharmony.
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Dec 28, 2020 14:03:04 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Dec 28, 2020 14:03:04 GMT
All Brexit has done is made the UK a more miserable place to live Can't beat a bit of melodrama during the festive period can you! Well, do you think it's made us a happier or more peaceful country?
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Post by lincolnexile on Dec 28, 2020 14:23:10 GMT
Can't beat a bit of melodrama during the festive period can you! Well, do you think it's made us a happier or more peaceful country? Surely it’s hard to judge whether it’s made the country more miserable. After all the amount of misery could possibly be down to a pandemic rather than Brexit.
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Post by lincolnexile on Dec 28, 2020 14:23:58 GMT
Why do you work in England then I don't think he's calling for border control and work permits to come into force for people looking to work on the opposite side of the border. There's a argument that more small autonomous nations is the way forward, but with better cooperation between them. It seems like the big ones like the UK, the US, Russia, China, Brazil etc have the most division and disharmony. Are you his minder 😂😂😂
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Dec 28, 2020 14:30:56 GMT
Post by Lobster on Dec 28, 2020 14:30:56 GMT
Well, do you think it's made us a happier or more peaceful country? Surely it’s hard to judge whether it’s made the country more miserable. After all the amount of misery could possibly be down to a pandemic rather than Brexit. Let's take it back to this time last year then. And yes it is hard to judge, which is why I'm asking for opinion.
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Dec 28, 2020 14:35:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 14:35:49 GMT
Can’t believe on Xmas Eve them 2 numpties were arguing on this platform.
If you’ve both got such big opinions, that on Xmas Eve you feel the need to be on Deva Chat, then go into politics and back yourselves up.
Failing that, both get a life.
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Dec 28, 2020 14:39:38 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 28, 2020 14:39:38 GMT
Can’t believe on Xmas Eve them 2 numpties were arguing on this platform. If you’ve both got such big opinions, that on Xmas Eve you feel the need to be on Deva Chat, then go into politics and back yourselves up. Failing that, both get a life. Imagine taking the time out to comment about other posters commenting about something.
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Dec 28, 2020 14:41:49 GMT
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Post by Bob on Dec 28, 2020 14:41:49 GMT
All Brexit has done is made the UK a more miserable place to live Can't beat a bit of melodrama during the festive period can you! Really bizarre isn't it. My advise to these people who get emotional over this stuff is switch off your tele, lay off your phone and get on with life.
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Post by Lobster on Dec 28, 2020 14:44:22 GMT
Can’t believe on Xmas Eve them 2 numpties were arguing on this platform. If you’ve both got such big opinions, that on Xmas Eve you feel the need to be on Deva Chat, then go into politics and back yourselves up. Failing that, both get a life. Christmas Eve turned out to be quite a big day in this debate, in case you missed it. Interesting that 'Bob' turns up straight after your post. Not convinced I'm the one that needs to get a life.
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Dec 28, 2020 14:50:59 GMT
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Post by Bob on Dec 28, 2020 14:50:59 GMT
Put your phone down, get outside, breathe in some fresh air and you might realise life isn't all that miserable out there. It might do you some good.
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Dec 28, 2020 16:21:53 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Dec 28, 2020 16:21:53 GMT
I don't think he's calling for border control and work permits to come into force for people looking to work on the opposite side of the border. There's a argument that more small autonomous nations is the way forward, but with better cooperation between them. It seems like the big ones like the UK, the US, Russia, China, Brazil etc have the most division and disharmony. Are you his minder 😂😂😂 Nail on head, lobster, si and some of the other mods look after poor little mancot, he can do and say what he likes and he'll never be moderated
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Dec 28, 2020 16:36:40 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 28, 2020 16:36:40 GMT
Nail on head, lobster, si and some of the other mods look after poor little mancot, he can do and say what he likes and he'll never be moderated Which part of my argument about independence for Wales broke forum rules and needed moderating? Just out of interest.
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Dec 28, 2020 16:42:10 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Dec 28, 2020 16:42:10 GMT
Nail on head, lobster, si and some of the other mods look after poor little mancot, he can do and say what he likes and he'll never be moderated Which part of my argument about independence for Wales broke forum rules and needed moderating? Just out of interest. Its more the fact you have moderators to talk for you Its absolutely pathetic
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Dec 28, 2020 16:49:25 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 28, 2020 16:49:25 GMT
Which part of my argument about independence for Wales broke forum rules and needed moderating? Just out of interest. Its more the fact you have moderators to talk for you Its absolutely pathetic Or just someone who understands the point I was making?
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Dec 28, 2020 17:00:15 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Dec 28, 2020 17:00:15 GMT
Its more the fact you have moderators to talk for you Its absolutely pathetic Or just someone who understands the point I was making? No, its usually lobster, because you have no idea what you are talking about
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Dec 28, 2020 17:04:13 GMT
Post by Lobster on Dec 28, 2020 17:04:13 GMT
If you look back through this thread I think you'll find multiple times I've disagreed with him, but never mind.
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Dec 28, 2020 17:19:06 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Dec 28, 2020 17:19:06 GMT
If you look back through this thread I think you'll find multiple times I've disagreed with him, but never mind. Just let him reply to people who quote him instead of fighting his battles for him, its cringeworthy
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Dec 28, 2020 17:29:52 GMT
Post by Lobster on Dec 28, 2020 17:29:52 GMT
If you look back through this thread I think you'll find multiple times I've disagreed with him, but never mind. Just let him reply to people who quote him instead of fighting his battles for him, its cringeworthy It's not like I'm explaining his financial situation and career path. Had no idea partially agreeing with someone meant you were their babysitter.
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Post by Si on Dec 28, 2020 17:30:35 GMT
If you look back through this thread I think you'll find multiple times I've disagreed with him, but never mind. Just let him reply to people who quote him instead of fighting his battles for him, its cringeworthy You are getting so boring. Do us all a favour and block him, move on with your life.
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Dec 28, 2020 17:33:11 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Dec 28, 2020 17:33:11 GMT
Just let him reply to people who quote him instead of fighting his battles for him, its cringeworthy You are getting so boring. Do us all a favour and block him, move on with your life. 🤣🤣🤣 Knew you'd come running to his aid, did he whatsapp you for help?
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Post by Si on Dec 28, 2020 17:37:15 GMT
You are getting so boring. Do us all a favour and block him, move on with your life. 🤣🤣🤣 Knew you'd come running to his aid, did he whatsapp you for help? Christ, I don't know how you made it so good in your high flying work life with such a childish attitude. You are judging FOP on his previous controversial postings, there is little wrong with what he posts these days. People are allowed opinions you know. It reflects badly on you that you follow him around the board trying to pick apart his posts and find something to be offended by. Nobody is babysitting him, we moderate his posts as we would anyone else, stop being such a drama queen over Deva Chat ffs.
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Dec 28, 2020 17:43:45 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Dec 28, 2020 17:43:45 GMT
🤣🤣🤣 Knew you'd come running to his aid, did he whatsapp you for help? Christ, I don't know how you made it so good in your high flying work life with such a childish attitude. You are judging FOP on his previous controversial postings, there is little wrong with what he posts these days. People are allowed opinions you know. It reflects badly on you that you follow him around the board trying to pick apart his posts and find something to be offended by. Nobody is babysitting him, we moderate his posts as we would anyone else, stop being such a drama queen over Deva Chat ffs. You're all up his arse, its pretty obvious to everyone else. Its been picked up by multiple people on a few threads now. Its a common theme that he posts, then someone quotes him, and he says nothing... safe in the knowledge that someone who knows what they are talking about will pick it up for him. Are you saying that this isn't happening?
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Dec 28, 2020 17:47:09 GMT
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Post by Si on Dec 28, 2020 17:47:09 GMT
Christ, I don't know how you made it so good in your high flying work life with such a childish attitude. You are judging FOP on his previous controversial postings, there is little wrong with what he posts these days. People are allowed opinions you know. It reflects badly on you that you follow him around the board trying to pick apart his posts and find something to be offended by. Nobody is babysitting him, we moderate his posts as we would anyone else, stop being such a drama queen over Deva Chat ffs. You're all up his arse, its pretty obvious to everyone else. Its been picked up by multiple people on a few threads now. Its a common theme that he posts, then someone quotes him, and he says nothing... safe in the knowledge that someone who knows what they are talking about will pick it up for him. Are you saying that this isn't happening? Nobody is up his arse. So you are upset he doesn't reply to posts? That's up to him isn't it. Don't stress about it. You are breaking more rules than him these days with your weird obsession with him and derailing threads, its worrying.
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Dec 28, 2020 17:48:43 GMT
Post by Lobster on Dec 28, 2020 17:48:43 GMT
Christ, I don't know how you made it so good in your high flying work life with such a childish attitude. You are judging FOP on his previous controversial postings, there is little wrong with what he posts these days. People are allowed opinions you know. It reflects badly on you that you follow him around the board trying to pick apart his posts and find something to be offended by. Nobody is babysitting him, we moderate his posts as we would anyone else, stop being such a drama queen over Deva Chat ffs. You're all up his arse, its pretty obvious to everyone else. Its been picked up by multiple people on a few threads now. Its a common theme that he posts, then someone quotes him, and he says nothing... safe in the knowledge that someone who knows what they are talking about will pick it up for him. Are you saying that this isn't happening? You did the same with me, strictly speaking. Lincolnexile asked if I was his minder, and you replied for me. Quite flattered you've implied that I know what I'm talking about though. Probably the most generous thing you've ever said about me!
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Dec 28, 2020 17:51:14 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Dec 28, 2020 17:51:14 GMT
You're all up his arse, its pretty obvious to everyone else. Its been picked up by multiple people on a few threads now. Its a common theme that he posts, then someone quotes him, and he says nothing... safe in the knowledge that someone who knows what they are talking about will pick it up for him. Are you saying that this isn't happening? You did the same with me, strictly speaking. Lincolnexile asked if I was his minder, and you replied for me. Quite flattered you've implied that I know what I'm talking about though. Probably the most generous thing you've ever said about me! Lincolnexile has clearly noticed it too. How about you let him speak for himself in future and I won't raise it as an issue? To be fair I was using Mancot as a benchmark, so in summary, you know what you're talking about, when compared to someone who doesn't have a clue 😉
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Dec 28, 2020 21:47:06 GMT
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Post by Bob on Dec 28, 2020 21:47:06 GMT
We've all noticed it. Another zap there too.
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