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Post by Si on Dec 28, 2020 21:52:24 GMT
We've all noticed it. Another zap there too. You aren't bringing anything to the discussion Bob, other than inflamming a situation. You think me and the mods protect FOB, you are wrong, end of. Move on. |
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Dec 28, 2020 21:55:02 GMT
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Post by lincolnexile on Dec 28, 2020 21:55:02 GMT
We've all noticed it. Another zap there too. I think, to be fair, the mods have deleted a post from someone who thought he should have the last word, as it could have been viewed as him gloating. |
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Dec 29, 2020 1:22:15 GMT
Post by everhopeful on Dec 29, 2020 1:22:15 GMT
It's getting very close to the point where a couple of people who are inflaming the situation will have to be given a little bit of downtime away from Devachat. For goodness sake, debate properly and stop being so puerile!
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Dec 31, 2020 7:29:56 GMT
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Post by cityboy5705 on Dec 31, 2020 7:29:56 GMT
I see the bill has passed into law yet some MPs abstained from voting like Corbyn yet starmer who is a passionate remainer voted this joke of a deal through proves power gets to people
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Dec 31, 2020 8:37:56 GMT
Post by Lobster on Dec 31, 2020 8:37:56 GMT
I see the bill has passed into law yet some MPs abstained from voting like Corbyn yet starmer who is a passionate remainer voted this joke of a deal through proves power gets to people I think Labour should've abstained. Let the Tories own Brexit. Starmer and most of his party are complicit now. |
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Dec 31, 2020 10:21:32 GMT
Post by eyeswideopen on Dec 31, 2020 10:21:32 GMT
I see the bill has passed into law yet some MPs abstained from voting like Corbyn yet starmer who is a passionate remainer voted this joke of a deal through proves power gets to people I think Labour should've abstained. Let the Tories own Brexit. Starmer and most of his party are complicit now. Thats just the problem though. Labour lost the last GE because they didn't listen to the will of the people. The country voted to leave the EU and that's what has now eventually happened. They didn't vote for this deal or that deal or a no deal, they voted to leave.They were only given two options, not this that or the other. I cant honestly believe that anyone in their right minds thought we would leave with a "good" deal, why would the EU allow that to happen? Its a terrible deal, we all know that, but to stick two fingers up to their own constituents again by either abstaining or voting against the deal that sees us leave the EU avoiding a no deal would just be history repeating itself. Labour MPs who voted for it can at least look their voters in the eye and say I at least helped to deliver what you asked for.Regardless of whether it is right or wrong good or bad. The only MPs who should have voted against it was those whose areas voted against leaving the EU in the first place. And for the record i voted remain. |
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Dec 31, 2020 13:02:15 GMT
Post by Lobster on Dec 31, 2020 13:02:15 GMT
I think Labour should've abstained. Let the Tories own Brexit. Starmer and most of his party are complicit now. Thats just the problem though. Labour lost the last GE because they didn't listen to the will of the people. The country voted to leave the EU and that's what has now eventually happened. They didn't vote for this deal or that deal or a no deal, they voted to leave.They were only given two options, not this that or the other. I cant honestly believe that anyone in their right minds thought we would leave with a "good" deal, why would the EU allow that to happen? Its a terrible deal, we all know that, but to stick two fingers up to their own constituents again by either abstaining or voting against the deal that sees us leave the EU avoiding a no deal would just be history repeating itself. Labour MPs who voted for it can at least look their voters in the eye and say I at least helped to deliver what you asked for.Regardless of whether it is right or wrong good or bad. The only MPs who should have voted against it was those whose areas voted against leaving the EU in the first place. And for the record i voted remain. True, I think Labour were damned whatever they did, which is why I've never seen Brexit as anything more than a divisive tool. Personally, I'd prefer Labour to distance themselves from Brexit and adopt a neutral stance, precisely because their support is divided on the matter, but I get that I'm in the minority and that Corbyn tried that and it didn't work. I still think it's a better strategy than throwing their weight behind one side or the other though, and I still think future generations will find it very strange that in a time of a major pandemic, climate change, rising poverty etc there was such commotion over membership of the EU. |
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Jan 1, 2021 12:58:23 GMT
Post by Lobster on Jan 1, 2021 12:58:23 GMT
Got to admit it seemed quite apt that we left at 11pm rather than midnight meaning that a) we conformed to European time and b) it happened in 2020, a year that will forever be associated with shite.
It seems the first official example of us "controlling our own laws" is scrapping the "tampon tax". Quite funny seeing blokes in their 50s and 60s pretending they care about that! It's misdirection anyway as Scotland and Ireland had already abolished it.
Also I see Boris Johnson's dad wants to apply for French citizenship. Wonder if he's a sad act like I was for looking into an Irish passport?
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Jan 2, 2021 5:38:33 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Jan 2, 2021 5:38:33 GMT
I see the Thought Police have been busy deleting posts.
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Jan 2, 2021 10:10:51 GMT
Post by Wortleyblue on Jan 2, 2021 10:10:51 GMT
Fishermen from the EU have been banned from 'pulse trawling' in British waters following the end of the Brexit transition period on New Year's Eve. Another plus of Brexit, I thought this was already banned by the EU but apparently around 80 Dutch trawlers were allowed to in British Waters link |
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Post by Lobster on Jan 2, 2021 10:21:24 GMT
Fishermen from the EU have been banned from 'pulse trawling' in British waters following the end of the Brexit transition period on New Year's Eve. Another plus of Brexit, I thought this was already banned by the EU but apparently around 80 Dutch trawlers were allowed to in British Waters linkDaily Mail. It will be either heavily distorted or plain bollocks. |
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Jan 2, 2021 10:30:22 GMT
Post by Wortleyblue on Jan 2, 2021 10:30:22 GMT
Fishermen from the EU have been banned from 'pulse trawling' in British waters following the end of the Brexit transition period on New Year's Eve. Another plus of Brexit, I thought this was already banned by the EU but apparently around 80 Dutch trawlers were allowed to in British Waters linkDaily Mail. It will be either heavily distorted or plain bollocks. You can say that about every newspaper though, you have to get news from all sources, papers will report only in favour of whichever agenda they follow |
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Jan 2, 2021 10:31:42 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 2, 2021 10:31:42 GMT
Reminds me of the “GREAT NEWS” that the U.K. government got rid of the so-called tampon tax on New Year’s Day because we’re now out of the EU.
We didn’t ever need to leave the union to do so, and indeed Scotland made sanitary products free ages ago. In fact, the U.K. government had been promising to do this three years ago but used the EU exit as the smokescreen.
Embarrassing. But the masses will swallow up the shite they are spoon-fed.
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Jan 2, 2021 10:57:11 GMT
Post by Lobster on Jan 2, 2021 10:57:11 GMT
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Jan 2, 2021 11:12:35 GMT
Post by Wortleyblue on Jan 2, 2021 11:12:35 GMT
To be honest I haven't bought the Daily Mail since the late 1990s or any newspaper for years precisely for the reasons you state above they are all biased to some degree, its hard to know where to get any unbiased information from these days. The same story re Pulse Fishing being banned is also reported in the Telegraph I didnt read their report as you have to subscribe to it |
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Post by Lobster on Jan 2, 2021 12:07:35 GMT
To be honest I haven't bought the Daily Mail since the late 1990s or any newspaper for years precisely for the reasons you state above they are all biased to some degree, its hard to know where to get any unbiased information from these days. The same story re Pulse Fishing being banned is also reported in the Telegraph I didnt read their report as you have to subscribe to it All news is biased to an extent. We mostly just read what we already agree with and reinforce our own views. |
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Jan 3, 2021 15:25:27 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Jan 3, 2021 15:25:27 GMT
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Jan 10, 2021 8:56:58 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Jan 10, 2021 8:56:58 GMT
I see the Government has just approved the use of bee-killing pesticides banned in the EU, despite assurances that they would maintain a total ban on such harmful chemicals. I know Billy Brexshit WW2 fantasists like to bang on about us growing all our own food, like we didn’t do in the war, but can any of them tell me how this can be achieved with no pollinating insects?
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Jan 10, 2021 9:05:01 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 10, 2021 9:05:01 GMT
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Post by lincolnexile on Jan 10, 2021 9:43:39 GMT
I see the Government has just approved the use of bee-killing pesticides banned in the EU, despite assurances that they would maintain a total ban on such harmful chemicals. I know Billy Brexshit WW2 fantasists like to bang on about us growing all our own food, like we didn’t do in the war, but can any of them tell me how this can be achieved with no pollinating insects? I don’t think this has a lot to do with Brexit. Some EU countries already use this pesticide, it’s not been proven to kill bees, it’s only being used on sugar beet and sugar beet is a non-flowering crop. |
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 10, 2021 9:52:35 GMT
I see the Government has just approved the use of bee-killing pesticides banned in the EU, despite assurances that they would maintain a total ban on such harmful chemicals. I know Billy Brexshit WW2 fantasists like to bang on about us growing all our own food, like we didn’t do in the war, but can any of them tell me how this can be achieved with no pollinating insects? I don’t think this has a lot to do with Brexit. Some EU countries already use this pesticide, it’s not been proven to kill bees, it’s only being used on sugar beet and sugar beet is a non-flowering crop. It has absolutely nothing to do with Brexit unless leaving the EU meant our crops of sugar beet contracted yellows virus at 11:01pm on 31st December 🙄 Posting this sort of political nonsense should be banned, especially when it's a mixture of fake news and absolute lies. Maybe it can be added to the forum guidelines? |
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Post by Lobster on Jan 10, 2021 10:55:11 GMT
I don’t think this has a lot to do with Brexit. Some EU countries already use this pesticide, it’s not been proven to kill bees, it’s only being used on sugar beet and sugar beet is a non-flowering crop. It has absolutely nothing to do with Brexit unless leaving the EU meant our crops of sugar beet contracted yellows virus at 11:01pm on 31st December 🙄 Posting this sort of political nonsense should be banned, especially when it's a mixture of fake news and absolute lies. Maybe it can be added to the forum guidelines? Rather than ban it, maybe it's better to debunk it with evidence, as you've done pretty well here. It is true that the government voted against the use of the pesticide in 2018 so, pandemic or not, they've gone back on their word. Also, just because other countries have done it doesn't mean we shouldn't be concerned, especially since being out of the EU presumably allows us to make this measure a bit less "temporary" than other countries, especially if the government want to keep Tory-voting farmers happy. |
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Post by Lobster on Jan 10, 2021 11:17:13 GMT
Not going to enforce it or anything, but I would suggest that if you see a pro- on ant-Brexit story or argument, provide a link to it. Simply pasting in the URL is all you need to do and it converts it into a link.
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Jan 10, 2021 11:23:29 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 10, 2021 11:23:29 GMT
It doesn’t detract from the fact that U.K. government have been cutting their nose off to spite their face when it comes to EU initiatives - declining the offer of joining the PPE procurement and now the touring bands/music artists offer.
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Post by lincolnexile on Jan 10, 2021 12:00:39 GMT
Not going to enforce it or anything, but I would suggest that if you see a pro- on ant-Brexit story or argument, provide a link to it. Simply pasting in the URL is all you need to do and it converts it into a link. Yes but that would mean posting the whole story rather than just cherry picking the bits that back up your argument. |
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Jan 10, 2021 13:03:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2021 13:03:48 GMT
I find that generally if a post starts with I see, or I hear, then at the very least it is economical with the truth. So best not to bite
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Jan 10, 2021 13:45:08 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 10, 2021 13:45:08 GMT
These particular pesticides are going to be used to increase the yield of sugar beet, which is processed by one company in the whole of the country. That company (British Sugar PLC) is a major Tory donor and has a managing director married to a current serving MP in the Home Office.
Classic corruption and jobs for the boys in absolutely every decision they ever make.
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Jan 10, 2021 13:53:10 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 10, 2021 13:53:10 GMT
These particular pesticides are going to be used to increase the yield of sugar beet, which is processed by one company in the whole of the country. That company (British Sugar PLC) is a major Tory donor and has a managing director married to a current serving MP in the Home Office. Classic corruption and jobs for the boys in absolutely every decision they ever make. Would you like to provide your source to the "major tory donor" claim? |
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Post by Si on Jan 10, 2021 13:59:51 GMT
Probably would be good to post sources for things if you can. But then again, this is a non league football forum so let's not get carried away eh. Sensible debate welcomed, sources listed preferably.
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Jan 10, 2021 14:13:42 GMT
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